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Sarassin:
I take your points, I fully comprehend the realm outside of time and space, and I get clairvoyancy. I am happy to see that you have made the point of clarifying that clairvoyancy can also be subjective and there is certainly mileage in your assertion of a common divine source for prophecy irrespective of time. For me, the issue is authenticity. All in all, very interesting posts.


Thanks bro, I really appreciate your interest in this topic and your deep educational questions and contributions which has also helped me learn some more new things too. However, speaking on the issue of authenticity, i think that most of texts, like we all agree on, obviously show some similarities btw each other regardless of the time/era this message was being received .I think This is the most obvious Truth that these messages are authentic or at least contain little elements of truth in them, Because regardless of the Age, the message had to still be passed and it is has been so. Once again, thanks a lot for your contributions sir, you can also follow me and get to view some of my other topics and also share your contributions and questions on them. Have a lovely day sir.

Philadelphia:
Op. You're wrong

Sarassin:
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Very good riposte. I am loathe to go too deeply into the allegorical symbolism of the Book of Revelations or the efficacy of prophecy altogether, (in my view, the dating of the written books of a significant amount of OT prophecy reveals that they were written mostly after the prophesied event) I do agree with you that the authorship is still indeterminate and your submission on the authenticity of the pseudo-Sybilline Oracles.

But the parts of the pseudo-Sybilline Oracles that concerns us are Books 3-5 which are undoubtedly by a Jewish author and they pre-date the Apocalypse of John. For instance we know that the author of the Sybilline Oracle Book 3 is acquainted with the Book of Daniel and that the author wrote under Ptolemy VII. Physcon, who at first reigned together with his brother but attained to the sole sovereignty (145-117 BCE).
We can further date Book 3 by the allusions to the destruction of Carthage and Corinth both cities, as is well known were destroyed in the year 146 BCE

The Fourth Book of the Sibylline Oracles appears to be from a single Jewish author. The book ends with an eschatological passage (152-192), within which we have an exhortation to repentance (162-178). It is the book that most closely foreshadows the Book of Revelations and there are significant parallels to be drawn between them. Internally the book can be dated to about 80CE: lines 107-8 reference the restoration of Laodicea after the earthquake (of 60CE); 115-118 references the internal struggles in Jerusalem during the siege (in 69CE); 125-6 talks about the destruction of the temple (70CE); whilst 119-24 speaks of the disappearance of Nero, the expectation of his return, and the struggles of 76CE.

Irenaeus dates the book of Revelations to around the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96 (Against heresies 30) Therefore we can be reasonably certain that the author of the apocalypse of John had access to the Jewish portions at least of the Pseudo-Sybilline Oracles.

I see the Apocalypse of John as no more than the Christian crystallization of its own form of eschatology as distinct from say, a Jewish apocalypse, in my view it is of very limited clairvoyance.
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I Love the points you made, and i agree with you on almost everything you said except something u seem not to fully comprehend.
in the realm outside space and time, which is the realm of the spirit, the soul/subconsciousness which is the realm these clairvoyants visit to get their information, Time is static, which means there is no space, meaning time also does not exist in that realm. So what does it mean? I Can be a clairvoyant and visit that realm and get the same message Daniel, Isaiah or even Moses got during those ancient times, especially the very important ones which haven't happened yet, The only difference will be in my interpretation of that same message because my ordinary earth bound consciousness will interpret it differently from them because my idea of reality has changed a lot from that of Moses because the collective knowledge of humanity has increased and i obviously know more about the truths of reality than they did back then.


What i'm actually saying is, it doesn't matter the time these prophecies or these messages were given. They were all meant to pass the same message but were all symbolically represented differently because of the time frame involved and the minds of whom these messages were given to, given that they all lived in different times, obviously had different views/beliefs about reality and this influenced how they interpreted the message.

The Syblline Oracles might have predated the writings of the apocalypse of john, but nevertheless i still think they were gotten from the same source, which is the divine multidimensional superconcsiousness we all have within us, and was still meant to pass the same message, though in different times, giving rise to the resemblance of the abstract symbolic representation of the messages, but still showcasing the obvious differences in the writings and sequences of events due to the different times these clairvoyants lived.

That's my opinion on the issue bro,

Lennycool:
Well as long as God isn't laying up a list of really long guidelines to follow in which failure to do so will result in eternal torment I'm cool with your concept of God.


Well my friend, as you can already tell, I am not a christian, or a follower of any Religion here on earth. You can check my posts on here, my views about religion is very clear But i am definitely not an atheist. i do Believe there is an Ultimate Entity, A causeless cause, A universal, multidimensional consciousness, Which is the source of all existence and all levels of Realities. We are all the same infinite universal mind, just experiencing its Great endless thoughts through different forms of existence and dimensions. Nothing is really separate, everything is one and one is everything. Division and individuality are just mere tricks of our space and time reality of this physical universe. Every form of life is the same universal consciousness experiencing reality in a whole other perspective and that is the joy of existence itself. But just know and always know that there is a source, an eternal infinite consciousness, and its just too easy finding it you know why? Because all you have to do is dig really deep into the depths of your own consciousness and you will discover that YOU ARE THAT CONSCIOUSNESS, We all are!!! Individuality/separation is the biggest trick in the whole of reality itself. We all all tiny fractions of that universal ever conscious mind which made everything come into being, And the totality of all there is, and all there will ever be, Is The ONE Great Universal multidimensional consciousness Which we humans call God.


My friend, Jesus or any of his apostles never preached about hell. that was the work of the Early roman pagan Christian sect in association with the roman government at that time to alter the words of an enlightened man to promote the concept of eternal damnation through hell fire, In a bid at establishing Christianity as the only or dominant religion in the world, thereby keeping all men in the line of the christian religion using the fear of hell as the ultimate weapon to achieve this feat. The bible which people place all of their faith in is a thoroughly edited and over manipulated manuscript devised by the decaying roman empire, through the combinations of books, some being historical writings of enlightened men of old, and some mere formulated myths, coined together solely for the means of global domination through mental slavery for all men. That was why for 1,400 years they persecuted anyone who said or believed in anything contrary to the beliefs of Christianity, By gruesome torment or burning to a stake, Ushering in a time known as the Dark Ages, just for the sake that all men are mentally enslaved by the belief of the choice of either Christianity or eternal fire and torment for all Eternity.



Jesus did not teach and NEVER taught about hell fire or eternal damnation. Go and read the old, raw and untouched book of the apostles about the life of Jesus which was recently discovered by archeologists in recent times, and you will discover a whole other story my friend. Jesus even taught extensively about re-incarnation(being born again) as the means of repayments of ones sins and evil deeds(Negative karma) in his lifetimes, by coming on other lifetime journeys to the earth again to re pay back his negative deeds and cleanse his negative karma, and through multiple lifetimes of repayment, through suffering, misfortune and horrible events caused by the effects of the the negative karma surrounding such an individuals soul, Eventually the negative karma of that soul will be fully cleared, thereby achieving redemption and the soul will then be allowed to move into a higher state of consciousness/existence (which most people call heaven). This is the Destiny of all Souls. NO SOUL IS DESTINED FOR ETERNAL DAMNATION, BECAUSE ALL SOULS ARE FRACTIONAL MANIFESTATIONS OF THE ULTIMATE SOUL, THE ETERNAL MULTIDIMENSIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS AND CREATOR OF ALL THINGS WHICH IS GOD, THEREFORE ALL SOULS EXISTED PRIOR TO CREATION ITSELF AND IN THE PLAN LAID DOWN FOR ALL SOULS BY THE ULTIMATE MULTIDIMENSIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE CREATOR, NO SOUL IS GIVEN MORE THAN IT CAN BEAR AND IN THE END WILL AND MUST ACHIEVE REDEMPTION FROM THE SOUL TRAP OF THE EARTH REALM, THEREBY RETURNING TO ITS ORIGINAL PURE STATE PRIOR TO CREATION, AND BECOMING ONE AGAIN WITH THE ETERNAL CREATOR.


These teachings of Jesus about the doctrine of re-incarnation was thoroughly erased by the roman christian founders working with the ceaser to further Strengthen and solidify their own doctrine of an eternal state of fiery torment for the payment of ones evil deeds and which there is no Redemption or pardon for the whole of eternity just for the sins committed in just one lifetime. This is the BIGGEST LIE of all ages and people need to be aware of it. The message of enlightened Clairvoyants of old that came back as enlightened souls to assist humanity in their path to TRUTH such as, Jesus, Mohamed, Buddha, Zoroaster and all the rest of them was just a very simple but extremely powerful message which they all shared in common. And this message was the GOOD Message of LOVE, and You only need to Honestly with all your heart, keep doing just three things to clear your negative karma and eventually achieve redemption which is through THINKING GOOD THOUGHTS, DOING GOOD DEEDS AND SPREADING LOVE TO EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING AROUND YOU, EVERYWHERE YOU GO. LOVE is the strongest force in the universe because it was the Force the universal multidimensional consciousness which we all call God, Used to bring all of existence and creation into being, It is the Only Force that can be used to erase the negative karma of the soul and that Force reveals itself through TRUTH.


We have all been misled into thinking we know the truth, when really we are just trapped by group of people, who want us exactly where we are by taking advantage of the inner powerful force in all humans that drives us towards search for the truth about our existence and true divine origin, Thereby enslaving us through that thought by making us think we know the truth, when really we have all just been misled for some selfish global world domination purposes. But if you really wanna Know the REAL TRUTH about the deep questions in your Mind, Reach deep down into your multidimensional super-consciousness And allow this entity, which is still you, but in a super conscious state to naturally Reveal the Real Truth to you. You don't gain this truth by anybody teaching it to you, but by connecting with your inner self and being at one with the whole universe and reality, Studying existence and reality everyday through your inner God consciousness, And i Tell you my brother, You WILL Discover the ULTIMATE TRUTH About Life and Existence and also, the purpose and destiny of your soul, which is the sub-conscious mind. Then, and Then alone will you find out that through Knowing the Real TRUTH, You gain True Freedom.

Remain Enlightened and blessed bro.

rhektor:
You sounded like an adherent of the grail message.
Abdru-shin hmmmmmmmmm.
This your assertion is nothing to me but a mere coined ideology to discredit the bible and Christianity you actually tried however, failed


No sir, i am not an adherent of the grail message or Abd Ru-shin, But Rather, An Adherent of TRUTH. And if any one in the past also coincidentally shares the same thoughts or beliefs about what i profess in my messages, Then it simply means that individual had also found the path of truth like i did, Because Like i said before, The real TRUTH doesn't have to be taught or forced on anyone to believe in. Rather it reveals itself to you and evidently through your inner multidimensional super-consciousness, you will know you are on the Path of truth,

I have never tried nor has it ever been my aim to discredit Christianity, the bible or Any other religion in particular because to me, Christianity is just like Any other religion, which bases its beliefs and doctrines on the bible as the official manuscript for all Christians to follow, which is the same in every other religion which each and every one of them has their own manuscript and book of doctrines they should follow. You cannot thereby say religion is a negative thing because there are still some positives in them and when practiced with a Good heart, and a Genuine intention to Be a Good person, Then true enlightenment and redemption is not far from your soul. But all i am saying is, Religion is Not, And has Never been the basis for Ultimate truth because its books, doctrines and rules set in them to be Followed, as you will find out, are all man made and were designed for specific purposes.(That's if you do your research about the origins of religion and the books in your bible extensively)

The message i share, on the other Hand is the Message of ULTIMATE TRUTH Which is LOVE, in which no Religion or no man made doctrines are part of, but Only the Knowledge of the Divine plan of the Divine multidimensional consciousness/entity Called GOD, For the souls of human on this earth and the Real TRUE but hidden fact about achieving redemption/enlightenment/God consciousness through the Divine power of LOVE.

There is no need to accuse me of anything wrong here, discredit or attack me blindly simply because i am not advocating for the belief of your religion, which i suppose is Christianity. I can NEVER And will NEVER Force these beliefs on Anybody, plus I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own Beliefs, however different that belief might be to mine Because He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present belief, because by doing that, he Denies himself the right of changing it. But i just put these messages out here so those whose souls are enlightened enough but lost in the quest for the Real Truth, can find them here, and They Will not need to ask or be told that it is the Real TRUTH Because TRUTH is self revealing, and the force behind every other positive force and Truth itself is LOVE, And that in itself is the ultimate TRUTH.

Have a blessed day my friend.

Lennycool:
So what are you basically saying. That God is us and everything around us?

Philadelphia:

They are here. They do not believe in God not His Words but everywhere He is discussed, you find them wallowing I their ignorance and exposing their foolishness that they refer to as "freethinking"...

Ignorance, like it is defined is, is a state of lack of KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION. If you obviously possessed any of these, You would understand at least to a little extent, the message i am trying to convey here but Obviously you don't. So with all due respect sir, it is you who is ignorant and lacking the information needed to Understand me at least to a certain level. The ignorant Cannot call something it Does not understand ignorant, because He himself is ignorant of that thing it thinks is ignorant.

Lack of information and knowledge alone, causes ignorance, Nothing more, And information and knowledge are just the things which you really Lack, and need in your Life right Now. I hope you find your Path to the TRUTH soon enough Bro, Have a good day

Sarassin:
[b]The Apocalypse of John is essentially a re-hashing of the Syblline Oracular writings. It was considered very un-Christian-like and its admittance to the canons was vehemently opposed.

The Apocalypse of John closely aligns to the fourth chapter of the Sibylline Oracles which is thoroughly eschatological in character, it narrates a sequence of events which include earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, as well as the devastation of many cities in the sea before the destruction of the world by fire and the subsequent general resurrection of the dead.

Similar to the eschatological discourse of Jesus in the Gospels, the Siblylline Oracles which forms a lot of the textual source for the Apocalypse of John based its end-time events in the background context of the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in the 1st century AD and the tyrannous reign of Nero (the original beast of Revelation) The oracles foretold that these events would take place in the backdrop of a period of apostasy - the self-same Great Apostasy spoken of in numerous places throughout Christian Scripture which Christians consider they currently endure today.

The Sibyllines were extensively referenced by early church theologians and pagans alike. Curiously, if you look closely enough you will discern an acrostic in the form of a Christian coded phrase in successive first letters of each line: ICHTHUS
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Well i agree with you that they the book of revelation and the Sibylline Oracles( or more properly titled the Pseudo-Sibylline Oracles) share a lot of similarities which is quite obvious in their both apocalyptic nature and the both of them ending in the final judgement of God to man, And as we all know, the bible is a compilation of books put together by the Romans, some of which were Jewish, Greek and mostly pagan in origin. But if you study these two writings very closely, you will find a very good difference in the sequences of events and in the manner which these events are supposed to happen. It is very possible that in the original writings of the Pseudo-Sibylline Oracles, The same message that was being passed to john was the same message that was also being passed to the prophetic priestesses(clairvoyants) back then during the Etruscan and possibly the early Roman Era. But actually These books were destroyed, partially in a fire in 83 B.C.E., and finally burned by order of the Roman General Flavius Stilicho.


So most of the writings on the so called Sibyline oracles are forgeries and vague dubious compositions probably composed between the second to sixth century C.E. And so now holds very very little Truths and actual facts from the original writing, whereas the document containing the book of revelation was found almost intact, though the real author of the book is still to be deciphered if it was john the apostle of jesus,(clairvoyant) or john of patmos who was an early christian prophet(clairvoyant). And although it is also noted that the writings in the books compare with that of some of the writings and predictions of the old testament books of prophets notably Daniel, Ezekiel, Psalms of david, and Isaiah(All clairvoyants), This should be considered as a sure proof that most of the symbolic representations of these particular events written on this book and most of the other books of the prophets are real and have some sort of Truth in them as they were all revealed to only clairvoyants and Since TRUTH is the Essence of the universal multidimensional consciousness which reveals these messages to these clairvoyant men, it is only Logical that they convey the same message but all have different symbolical representations because it is still the ordinary conscious mind that interprets this message from the superconscious mind and because the ordinary conscious mind is founded on earthly reality alone, and is influenced by what one knows, believes and understands here on earth, the symbolic interpretations of this same message might differ depending on the mind of the consciousness which this message/vision is being conveyed to.


So i think the book of revelation was the complete package (or the closest of all to being the complete package) of that divine message which was given as symbolic representation of what is to come in the future, and because The ordinary conscious mind can never comprehend most of the things of the spirit or the superconscious mind outside of this realm, these messages had to be passed symbolically through relating the things of the spirit to the things which the ordinary conscious mind can understand here on earth, thereby causing that message not to come in its pure and true meaning but through symbolism. And because it was only revealed to clairvoyants, Only clairvoyants also, can understand and interpret this message to the limits of his/her own understanding based on the comprehension of reality of its ordinary consciousness, no matter the symbolic form which this message is presented in. And since humans generally grow in knowledge in their understanding of the world and reality over time, The literal interpretation given here is a more modernized and more updated representation of this same divine message/prophecy To suit the understanding of our time, become clearer in its true meanings and be more understandable to the people of our generation which this message was originally intended for in the first place, Since obviously, the abstract symbolism used by the clairvoyant men of old and this new more understandable interpretation by a more recent clairvoyant only goes to show that the men of old translated this same message to their understanding of the world and Reality at that time And that was why it came out as abstract and as symbolic as it was.
Hope i contributed to your post. Have a nice day sir.

Deicide:
Answer me this
1)if john wrote revelation then who wrote the book of john?
Uhhm I have the belief that you are a christian but if you really are, Then u must be just a CHURCH GOER and not a true christian at all because you dont even know the most simple and obvious facts your religion is made of. If you open ANY bible close to you, you find that the book you are actually referring to in the bible is called the Gospel according to john, and if you go to the book of Revelation, You will also see that it was The Revelation According to John or simply, The Revelation to John. The argument about which of the john's actually wrote the book of revelation(either john the apostle or john of patmos) is still being debated till now but it has never been Ever debated that the Name of the writer of the book of revelation was john. This is a sealed and certified fact.


2)The Book of John is it A First, Second or Third person writing?

Deicide:
Bro you are Ignorant

SirWere:
Why do people give more credit to mystic and frauds rather than listen to common sense.

Deicide:
When i Read the first line The Book was Written By John i just Laughed at the Ignorance of the op

gyard782:
In my view all people who have been educated and/or have access to educational materials have no excuse for believing in the existence of anything in any way magical or supernatural. These people only believe in such things because they lie to themselves, rather than try to come to terms with what life really is. There is no God, no spirits, no Karma, or anything else that inexplicably defies the laws of science. If there are such things in existence, then why does anything have rules? Why do the laws of physics and quantum physics always work? How can astronomers use the laws of physics to predict the orbits of planets to within seconds? There are many more examples I can give of this. Now, let me ask you this. Why would a creator create a universe of laws and consistent properties when he could instead create a universe that was without laws and always favored humanity and/or life? If he did this, then humanity wouldn't have problems and wouldn't have to struggle to survive. It all seems weird that a world that runs on the laws of science was created by a magical creator.

People with common sense know there is no God for one simple reason: it is logically improbable. Science can understand the intricate workings of the human body, see galaxies billions of light years away, create a theory as consistent as quantum physics, and yet it can't find a single bit of evidence for magic, a God, or a soul in the human body. A tool so great as science that can find out so much about our world on such an intricate level and about so many different things would simply have to have found some evidence by now, but it hasn't. That is because there is no God, there never was a God, and there never is going to be a God. To have faith in something that has a 99.999999999999999% chance of not even being true is profanely stupid. It is a disgrace to humanity that religion is so widespread, in spite of the overwhelming evidence against the existence of anything spiritual or supernatural. I strongly suggest breaking away from religion, as that opens anybody's life up a lot.

HitlerGaddafi:
This has to go down as one of the best post ever on this forum

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