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OLAADEGBU:
The NT is based on the OT. All that the Apostles penned down was God breathed and did not contradict what God said through the OT prophets, they confirm them.

How

Can a Christian show where the law of inheritance goes in d bible?
NT specifically since they've dropped th other one

Okay... we haff hear... how about the new testament

truthmans2012:
When God was talking about not having any other god besides Him, He was talking about worshiping idols, not Jesus.

This thread is about the fact that God could not choose Arabic as the language to worship Him..

But why didn't he specifically point it out... and why did Jesus to said so?
and finally, was the bible revealed in English?
what language did Jesus speak?

unphilaz:
Clap for yourself...for quoting from the bible, the book which you are fighting so hard to reject, infact hacbib stated that its not the revelation of God to Jesus Christ... so are you accepting the two conditions above?

The bible disagrees with you.
Go on

unphilaz:
Thanks that is your opinion... but this is not a thread to defend the corruption of the book or not but to Know that you need to believe that Jesus Christ is not just Man, nor just a prophet but The Son of God... so that



Do you accept this condition for the discussion

I keep telling you...son of God is not God . and in the bible there are numerous sons of God. For the sake of argument, show me where he's God .

truthmans2012:
Correct.

The First Commandment is that God is One The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier: "Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad." This is a Hebrew quotation, which means: "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." [The Bible, Mark 12:29] It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God. Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God. NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version. III) Concept of God in Old Testament: 1. God is One The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh): "Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad". It is a Hebrew quotation which means: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" [The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4] 2. Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah: (i) "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." [The Bible, Isaiah 43:11] (ii) "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me." [The Bible, Isaiah 45:5] (iii) "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." [The Bible, Isaiah 46:9] 3. Old Testament condemns idol worship (i) Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:" "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5] (ii) A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy: "Thou shalt have none other gods before me." "Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth." "Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]

unphilaz:
Aight, noted the bolded, now throwing the ball into your court, where can i find this revelation which the koran is pointing US to... can you present it up for us to use as yardstick to present Jesus Christ as Son of God! Waiting!!!



The italics is for another thread which i will explore further.



Since you did not address this you are in perfect agreement. However, we cannot continue until you present the revelation to Jesus Christ which we would use for this discussion.

Brother, for the bible to have numerous versions only goes to show how unreliable it is...even amongst you Christians. Corrupted
Peace!

6. The First Commandment is that God is One The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier: "Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad." This is a Hebrew quotation, which means: "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." [The Bible, Mark 12:29] It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God. Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God. NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version. III) Concept of God in Old Testament: 1. God is One The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh): "Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad". It is a Hebrew quotation which means: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" [The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4] 2. Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah: (i) "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." [The Bible, Isaiah 43:11] (ii) "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me." [The Bible, Isaiah 45:5] (iii) "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." [The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

unphilaz:
Hello its not a debate par se but an avenue to show that Jesus Christ is not just Man(Son of Man), Prophet but Son of God

You yourself believe hes son of man...Man can't be God
Even son of God is not God..
Man has his limits as a human..

unphilaz:
By this its fair to conclude that you guys are ready for the below and probably more will follow soon...



Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

Where's your point?

unphilaz:
Ok to the bolded, i want to tell you WHY you need to believe and worship Jesus as Son of God...https://www.nairaland.com/2919041/why-muslim-should-accept-christ

I also want to tell you the opposite

unphilaz:
Am still waiting for muslims who boasted that they will convert if one shows them from the bible where Jesus Christ claimed divinity!

which of the bibles? and how sure are that's what Jesus really said...cos I'll point some contradictory verses too

unphilaz:
Hia why are muslim so insecure...
hockey ....

Mustymatic....

etc

Please can you come here at least 5 muslims to start....this discussion on why YOU must worship Jesus Christ as Son of God....

You accept that He is Man... rightly so

You accept that He is Prophet... rightly so

But

You choose not to accept that He is Son of God... wrongly so

So come in and boast that you will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God, if someone will show you... by simply stating it that

Whoa....u don't need to show me, you are a son of your father because he slept with your mother.
What kinda god would do that?
Even in ur bible he says he's son of man...why so? again

The majority of Christians, when asked to explain this fundamental doctrine of their faith, can offer nothing more than “I believe it because I was told to do so.” It is explained away as “mystery” – yet the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 14:33 that:
“... God is not the author of
confusion ...”
The Unitarian denomination of Christianity has kept alive the teachings of Arius in saying that God is one; they do not believe in the Trinity. As a result, mainstream Christians abhor them, and the National Council of Churches has refused their admittance. In Unitarianism, the hope is
kept alive that Christians will someday return to the
preachings of Jesus:
“... Thou shalt worship the
Lord thy God, and Him only
shalt thou serve.” (Luke 4:

krendo:
including the President himself
he forged his certificate

Forged how? was it not hidden

truthman2012:
Stop talking about something you have no knowledge of. This is the statement from Jesus:

Mathew 19:28
Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST:
That is the TRINITY for you.

Who told you Christianity is not in the Bible? You just could spew out ignorance.

Acts 11:26
Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called CHRISTIANS first at Antioch.

[b]
The three monotheistic religions – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator nd Sustainer of the Universe. Known as “tawhid” in Islam, this concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the “Shema”, or the Jewish creed of faith:
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our
God is one Lord.” (Deuteronomy 6:4)
It was repeated word-for-word approximately
1500 years later by Jesus, when he said:
“...The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O
Israel; the Lord our God is
one Lord.” (Mark 12:29)
Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:
“And your God is One
God: there is no God but
He...” (Quran 2:163)
Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and outside the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons – the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit – in one divine being.
If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter. Let’s put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father, plus one person, God the Son, plus one person, God the Holy Ghost, equals one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?
It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.
How did such a confusing doctrine get its start? In Matthew 28:19, we find Jesus telling his disciples to go out and preach to all nations. While this “Great Commission” does make mention of the three persons who later become components of the Trinity, the phrase “...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” is quite clearly an addition to Biblical text – that is, not the actual words of Jesus –as can be seen by two factors:
1) baptism in the early Church, as discussed by Paul in his letters, was done only in the name of Jesus; and
2) the “Great Commission” was found in the first gospel written, that of Mark, bears no mention of Father, Son and/or Holy Ghost –see Mark 16:15.
The only other reference in the Bible to a
Trinity can be found in the Epistle of 1 John 5:7.
Biblical scholars of today, hwever, have admitted
that the phrase:
“...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” …is definitely a “later addition” to Biblical text, nd it is not found in any of today’s versions of the Bible. It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in origin....and secondly who calm them Christians? God or Jesus? has Jesus ever called anyone with that name? has he ever had of the name?
[/b]

Emperor4God:
[size=14pt]islam is too blood thirsty to be of God[/size]

The only religion that encourages beating of ur wives

THE ISLAMIC GOD COMMANDS TO BEAT YOUR WIFE

Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,


Qur'an (4:34) -
"Men are the maintainers of women because
Allah has made some of them to
....... BEAT THEM;


THE CHRISTIAN GOD COMMANDS TO LOVE YOUR WIFE

Ephesians 5:25 (KJV)
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


Colossians 3:19
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
and
BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM.

is this the new testament?
do you want me to show you more of those?

Unfortunately for him, these Christians will worship you whether you say or not. it has happened before

truthman2012:
Where did you read Jesus and Moses prostrated?

I have told you falling down is not prostration. Besides, falling down by Jesus or Moses was only once, no ablution and no facing of a particular direction.

If prostration is a requirement for prayer, the Bible would have made it clear. Nowhere are Christians required to prostrate when praying. Muslims are not in the position to teach us what is not a command in our Scripture.

Well there's no mention of Trinity in the Bible... hell there's no mention of Christianity in the entire bible.. yet u still com up wt those. answer me how singing and dancing come about... waiting

Papist:
Actually Christians prostrate, Latins, Byzantines, Copts, Syriacs etc. I have a feeling Muslims learnt about prostrations from Jews and Christians.

Actually, Jesus and Moses n other prphets prostrate, and those are who Muslims learn from. where do Christians prostrate? it's not true, they don't follow Jesus

truthman2012:
You ran away from the questions above deceiving yourself.

You keep getting dumber I'd have explained to u

truthman2012:
Trash !
There is a city named Zion. Israelites go there for pilgrimage.

trash! it's the same Mitch!

truthman2012:
You have been deceived, Baca is not Mecca.

The children of Israel were passing through Baca going to Zion. Do people pass through Mecca to go to Zion? They were going to pilgrimage in Zion, not Kaaba the house of idols.

Kaaba was the house built by pagans who were worshiping allahh as an idol, which Muhammad tried to promote to the status of the true God.

Was was Moses not in Kaaba ?

Was did Jesus not go to Kaaba ?

Isaac, Jacob and others did go there.

allaah deceived you guys

You completely goofed
Zion doesn’t necessarily mean Jerusalem, it
has been used figuratively for the church and
for Israel in the Babylonian captivity, so it
seems like it has been used for any group or
mass of people worshiping God, which can
be applied on Kaaba here. This can even be
seen among Christian sites as this : https://www.lds.org/?lang=eng
Zion
The word Zion has various meanings in the
scriptures. The most general definition of the
word is “the pure in heart” ( D&C
97:21 ). Zion is often used in this way to
refer to the Lord’s people or to the Church
and its stakes (see D&C 82:14 ). It has also
been used to refer to specific geographical
locations.
Meaning of Zion
1. (n) place considered to be
perfect or ideal
2. (n) Jewish republic in southwestern Asia
at eastern end of Mediterranean; formerly
part of Palestine
3. (n) originally a stronghold captured by
David (the 2nd king of the Israelites); above
it was built a temple and later the name
extended to the whole hill; finally it became
a synonym for the city of Jerusalem;

truthman2012:
After doing ablution and facing Kaaba ?

How many times did Jesus fall on his face praying ? Was that His routine manner of prayer?

Do you muslims not prostrating five times daily?

Are muslims not doing that as a routine and necessity?

Go and rest your brain friend.

It's really a shame! that's what you can come up with? you didn't answer my question... how do Christians pray? how did they come up with dancing and singing ?And speaking of kaaba
This shall be a brief account on what the
Bible said about the Islamic Kaaba in Mecca.
Allah in the Quran telling about the Kaaba
says: [b]
96. The first House (of worship) appointed
for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing
and of guidance for all kinds of beings:
(Holy Quran 2:96)
Kaaba in the Bible
In Psalm 84 it says:
4 Blessed are those who dwell in your house;
they are ever praising you.
Selah
5 Blessed are those whose strength is in you,
who have set their hearts on pilgrimage.
6 As they pass through the Valley of Baca ,
they make it a place of springs;
the autumn rains also cover it with pools.
7 They go from strength to strength,
till each appears before God in Zion.

So the word Valley of Baca is clearly
mentioned here, and mentioned as a noun
not translated to weeping as some other
Biblical versions translate. Meaning it’s a
real place not just a metaphorical one.
Zamzam Spring
Then it comes to something else:
they make it a place of springs;
the autumn rains also cover it with pools.
Mecca has the spring of Zamzam which is a
huge spring that has been producing water
continuously for more than 1400 years and
the pipelines transporting Zamzam water to
Al Madina (about 400 km north) which is
even an independent miracle in that blessed
place. Mecca is also a place where rains are
very heavy in the autumn. [/b]

truthman2012:
@ mustymatic

If allaah says anything to contradict his own revelations above, he must be a deceiver.

The Christians and Jews at the time of the prophet didn't believe in him...why are they coming to him for judgment? they have been sent messengers...

Praise be to Allah,
First of all, Neither Christians nor Jews (in
general) believe in oneness of Allah. One time, A
Christian man entered the mosque while the
messenger of Allah (pbuh) was reciting from the
Qur'aan:
They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and
their priests to be their lords besides Allâh
(Qur'aan 9:31)
So he said: "We did not worship our priests." The
Messenger said: "Yes, you do. Don't they make
the Halal (allowed matters) Haram (disallowed
matters) and the Haram Halal, then you follow
them?" He answered yes. The Messenger said:
"That is worshiping them."
So by obeying their priests in things which they
made lawful or unlawful according to their own
desires without being ordered by Allâh, they made
them partners of Allâh.
But suppose that one of them does not do so, he
believes in the oneness of Allah but does not
believe with his messenger or he refuse to be
Muslims. In this case he will be Kafir (disbeliever)
too since he refused to believe with what Allah
has sent. The following verses talks about that:
Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who
were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)
did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after
knowledge had come to them. And whoever
disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses,
signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh
is Swift in calling to account. (Qur'aan 3:19)

truthman2012:
How do you prostrate in solat ?

So when you put your forehead on the ground raising up your bottom as in solat means a sleeping or resting position ? When last were you resting or sleeping in that position ? Nonsense.

There is nowhere the Bible used the word ''prostrate'' as used in the quran when praying. Besides, falling on face was not a routine practice of prayer, no ablution of washing head, nose, mouth, hands, leg at the same time and facing Kaaba, a house which had been in existence right from the time of Abraham, according to islamic fables.

So, there is no resemblance of islamic prayer in the Bible.

Sir, I'm sorry to say this but you really are dumb...that's your "lie down" I explained to you...you said fall on means lie down...You said Jesus lie down to pray.. Really dumb!

truthman2012:
Trash !

What is the difference between the Jews of Muhammad's time and the Jews of today ?

What is the difference between the Christians of Muhammad's time and the Christians of today ?

The religion is Allah's ..

Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who
were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)
did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after
knowledge had come to them. And whoever
disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses,
signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh
is Swift in calling to account. (Qur'aan 3:19)
[1] Those who disbelieve from among the people
of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among
Pagans, were not going to leave (their disbelief)
until there came to them clear evidence.
[2] A Messenger (Muhammad) from Allâh, reciting
(the Qur'ân) purified pages.
[3] Containing correct and straight laws from
Allâh.
[4] And the people of the Scripture (Jews and
Christians) differed not until after there came to
them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad
(Peace be upon him) and whatever was revealed
to him).
[5] And they were commanded not, but that they
should worship Allâh, and worship none but Him
Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to
Him), and perform Prayers and give Charity: and
that is the right religion.
If they are believers they should use wat was sent to them since they refused to believe. simple

neocortex:
You missed my point, it is immaterial whether Islam mentioned a "scientific fact" eons
of years ago, what is more important is the impact that made on people's lives.

Consider these two scenarios:

1. A man sees a phenomenon and shouted god be praised
and told people god's work cannot be understood.

2. A second man saw the same anomaly and muttered to himself,
God is great, let me find out how this works.

Which of these two men will contribute more to human development and advancement ?
You be the judge.

Yeah right. Fixed