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analice107:
This same Al Tabari was the guy who stated in your own Sura 53:19-23 (Don't worry, you won't find it there, it's been abrogated).

He was the man who sat down and fabricated Jewish names to make them seem like Arabic names.
Musa-Moses.
Gabriel-Jibril
Abraham-Ibrahim. etc etc.
Until Muhammed, there were no names like Ibrahim or Musa why?

For your mind you think Moses was his Jewish name, abraham and Gabriel? Even Jesus was not Jesus u hear?
Oh dear u need to do more research on your religion

analice107:
Are sure you have been keeping up? Do I come off like someone who is scared? I give it to you as it is. Muslims are the ones who beat about the bush lying through their teeth, forgetting that now is not then when Islam was shrouded in Arabic language. Now Islam is open for the world to see.
Tell your lies, when we research, we shall find the truth.

Show me the verses or keep mute

Peace unto you.
The human mind can't help reasoning that since the "begotten son" of an African will look like an African, that of a china man as Chinese, and that of an Indian like an Indian: so the begotten son of God needs to look like God, naturally. Billions of beautiful pictures and replicas of this "only son of God" are put in ppls hands. He looks like a European with blonde hair, blue eyes and handsome features like the one I saw in the "King of Kings" or "The day of Triumph" or "Jesus of Nazareth". Remember Jeffrey Hunter?...the " saviour " of christians is more like a german than a jew with his Polly nose.
So naturally, if the son is a white man, the father would also look like a whiteman (God?). Hence the darker skinned races of the earth subconsciously have the feeling of inferiority ingrained in their souls as god's "step children". No amount of face creams, skin lighteners and hair straighteners will erase the inferiority.
God is neither black nor white. He is beyond the imagination of the mind of man. Break the mental shackles of a white man-god, and you have broken the permanent inferiority.
But intellectual bondages are hard to shatter; the slave himself fights to retain them.
Peace

analice107:
I don't run. Am not a Muslim.

But u can beat around the bush eheh

analice107:
Really? I can't see any responds from any of you on all the verses I posted here.

You know who Al Tabari is right?
He was the Islamic historian thief who Cajoled Muhammed into accepting that he was a descendant of Ismail. He was a master fabricator. He writes people's Biographies. He wrote all the lies in Muhammed's Biography. Him and ibn Ishaq.
He tried to fabricate Muhammed's genealogy linking him with Abraham. He got lost on the 21 generation down the line.
Muhammed genealogized himself regarding his ancestors until he reached Al Nather bin Kinaneh, then he said "anyone who claimed otherwise or added further ancestor, has lied. Kinaneh was his 17 ancestor. This was the genealogy that Muhammed recognised at first. But later, he was cajoled into accepting further genealogy to give his prophethood credibility.

He was the man who sat down and fabricated Jewish names to make them seem like Arabic names.
Musa-Moses.
Gabriel-Jibril
Abraham-Ibrahim. etc etc.
Until Muhammed, there were no names like Ibrahim or Musa why?
Why should I believe anything Muhammed says when he is so double standard?

This same Al Tabari was the guy who stated in your own Sura 53:19-23 (Don't worry, you won't find it there, it's been abrogated).
He reported that "Satan Cast a false revelation into the tongue of the messenger of allahh. The messenger of allahh said" By the stars when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceived, nor does he speak out of his own desire. Have you considered al-lat, al-uzza, and Manat, the third and the other? These are the high-flying cranes, verily their intercession is accepted with approval.

Mustymatic. Here is a back up verse straight from the mouth of you most respected Scholar and historian, al Tabari.
Pls come in, take a seat let's analyze this verse.

Did the devil give Muhammed revelations or not?

Did he know it was the devil? Yes He knew.

He was the one who desired something to tell his people for them to return to him.

Who were alat, uzza, and manat?

The Moon god, inside the Ka'aba, represents your crest moon, the star there represents the daughters of allahh.
Remember Muhammed started by saying "By the Stars", then he called them "high flying cranes". He went on to call them "intercessors" and that their intercession is with approval. Approval from who? Allahh their father?

Mustymatic, go and study your religion. Muhammed was a high priest to Allah, the moon god. One of the 360gods in the Ka'aba.

The misinformation came from Waraga, who told Muhammed that the demon who appeared to him was from the God of the Jews.

Now it's all coming to me. Hahahahahahahaha.
This is what probably happened.
Waraqa tells Muhammed that he was a prophet, just like Moses. And Moses had a mandate to take over the land of Cannan for the Israelites. For that to happen, wars were fought. So Muhammed took it that he also had Mandate to take over the land for his people the Muslims. But now, it is not just a particular land, but the whole world. Ah. I see. Satan try sha.

My brother, consider these things seriously. Don't go to hellfire for nothing.

I don't see verses oh...what kind of christian are u sef
See lies oh

analice107:
Make sense, then I will answer you.

You can't say things without backing up wit verses... Seems lik u wanna run

OLAADEGBU:
Is Jesus really God? There are many cults and false religions today that deny it. What is the truth about Jesus Christ? We turn to the Scriptures for the answer.

Is Jesus really God? There are many cults and false religions today that deny it. The Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, believe Jesus was created by the Father billions of years ago as the Archangel Michael and is hence a "lesser god" than the Father. The Mormons say Jesus was born as the first and greatest spirit child of the Heavenly Father and heavenly mother, and was the spirit-brother of Lucifer. New Agers claim Jesus was an enlightened master. Unitarian Universalists say Jesus was just a good moral teacher. What is the truth about Jesus Christ? We turn to the Scriptures for the answer.

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-god/

NO!

analice107:
Whenever you think of Allah, what comes to your mind?
Is it now clear to you muslims, that Yahweh is not Allah? Remember, we Jews and Christians didn't give Yahweh this attributes, he told us who he is. So now I ask you again, Who/what does allahh say he is?

Where did he say that? How sure are you he's d one saying that? What do you mean you don't give those attributes, listen to yourself... If you look alike why not do alike

How can your god be like you oh...you shit you piss dirty

Annunaki:
Who kneels for pastors or worships three gods

I will write it even tho u know
Jesus or god the father, Jesus or god the son n Jesus or god d spirit, worshipin thru mary etc

truthman2012:
You have no proof !!!

Na u get proof abi

Annunaki:
But worshipping a pagan idol called allah and bowing to a black stone is not idolatory

No sir!
Singing and dancing in church is not? Kneeling to pastors is not? Worshipping three gods is not?

truthman2012:
Trash !!!

We are talking about women intelligence, what has that got to do with the topic you are trying to bring up?

Islam is purely and wholly idolatry. Islamists erected a statute they call satan who they go to Mecca annually to stone. Not only that, everything the idolaters were doing in Mecca before islam is being done by muslims till date. Muhammad said it was Ishmael's mother who originated them before they were highjacked by pagans. Lies !!! How is it that pagans worshiped their idols in islamic ways? Why is islamic worship compatible with idol worship if they are not the same thing? I cannot imagine idolaters shouting hallelluyah and praising Jesus in their shrine. Not possible because Christianity and idol worship are not compatible.

Besides, Ishmael's mother, Haggai was a slave Abraham brought from Egypt. We know Egyptians at that time were idol worshipers. When did the act of Haggai, a daughter of idolaters become a model for God's people? Allahh being one of the idols inside Kaaba approved Haggai's idolaterous acts for muslims because islam is a continuation of idol worship in the name of God. Satanic deception.

Educate yourself further here because you asked for it:

www.nairaland.com/2644778/islam-meccans-religions-before-it

Worshipping Jesus is clearly idolatry
Surah Quraish, Verse 3:
فَلْيَعْبُدُوا رَبَّ هَٰذَا الْبَيْتِ

So let them worship (Allah) the Lord of this House (the Ka'bah in Makkah).106:3
You worship Allah alone

Annunaki:
This thread is directed to muslims so that you can think and use what is left of your brains to realise that muslims don't have monopoly of violence and that the rest of the world is just tolerating them.

lol

truthman2012:
Lol !!!
Off point.

you're the one who's off point...help your brothers in idolatry

SUPERPACK:
The very first time we find the word 'prophet' used in the Scriptures is where God speaks to Abimelech in a dream concerning his taking Sarah to himself.
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The Lord said, "Now therefore, restore the man's wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you will live. But if you do not restore her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours." (Gen20:9 nasb.)
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The Hebrew term for prophet is ' nabiy '. It refers to a divine spokesman. Nabiy describes someone raised up by God who would proclaim what the Lord gave him to say. A true prophet would never contradict the Scriptures, nor would he speak from his own mind. On the other hand a false prophet did and does speak from his own mind and from the mind of spirits who are not of God. The problem of distinction wasn't always easy. Both could say, 'Thus saith the Lord.' (Something comparable.) This is why discerning of spirits is so important to the child of God. Well then, could David be counted as an Old Testament prophet in the true sense of the word. Absolutely. David was one of the writing prophets. This is a primary reason that the book of Psalms is filled with such an anointing.
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David was called a prophet in the new testament by peter.
Acts 2:27-31
27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.’
29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day.
30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.
31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay.
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did muhammad add the above in the new testament.

hahahaha....d guy is so ignorantly behaved

Annunaki:
Our muslim brothers are bigots and hypocrites, they would rather avoid threads like this.

what use is this thread to the Muslims?

Scholar8200:
Being a purely historical account of the origins of the Ammonites and the Moabites, no Divine command or approval expressed there!

Abram was a man from Ur of the Chaldees and he simply followed the practice of his people when he married his half sister, no Divine command nor approval expressed there too.

All being the practice in those days before the Law was given, it could not have been otherwise. The highlighted is a LIE!:
None of you shall approach anyone close of kin to him to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
Leviticus 18:6

And then? Reuben was CURSED grievously by his father!!! (showing that inspite of the absence of a law, there were limits) Still, no Divine command nor approval expressed!
The Law had not been given hence for this and all the preceeding cases, this Divine principle applied:

for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 5:13
That was Tamar's opinion, not a quote from the law of Moses that clearly said:

Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Deuteronomy 27:22


And that was done in breaking the Law!

20 Cursed be he that lieth with his father’s wife;
Deut 27:20a

Lol.... read the name of the thread bro! it's in the Bible

ari3l:

Oga, this is Old testanment na. Who uses old testament in churches now?

hahaha...double standard

ari3l:

Oga, this is Old testanment na. Who uses old testament in churches now?

hahaha...double standard

ari3l:

Oga, this is Old testanment na. Who uses old testament in churches now?

hahaha...double standard

basilico:
Good link here on the website Muslims hate with a passion.

Ali[ edit]
Muhammad also allowed the marriage of his
daughter, Fatimah, to his cousin, Ali ibn Abi Talib,
who would later go on to become the fourth
Rightly-guided Caliph of Islam.
Umar[ edit]
The second Caliph, Umar ibn al-Khattab, also
married his cousin, Atikah bint Zayd ibn Amr ibn
Nufayl. [3][4]

Got from here.


http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/zaynab.htm

[b]
In Genesis 19:30-38 , living in an isolated area after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah , Lot's two daughters conspired to inebriate and seduce their father due to the lack of available partners. Because of intoxication, Lot "perceived not" when his firstborn, and the following night his younger daughter, lay with him. ( Genesis 19:32-35 ) The two children born were directly Lot's sons and indirectly his grandsons, being his daughters' sons. Likewise, their sons were also half-brothers (between them and with their mothers), having the same father.
In one of the tales of a wife confused for a sister , Abraham admitted that his wife Sarah is also his half-sister, on his father's side. However, in the rabbinic literature , Sarah is considered Abraham's niece (the daughter of his brother, Haran).
Abraham's son Isaac married Rebekah, his first cousin once removed , the granddaughter of his father's brother Nahor and niece Milcah. Isaac and Rebekah's firstborn son Esau married his cousin Mahalah , daughter of his father's brother Ishmael, while their second son
Jacob married his cousins Leah and Rachel, daughters of his mother's brother Laban . Marriage of cousins was not forbidden in biblical law.
Jacob married Leah and Rachel (sisters) who were the daughter of Laban . Laban was the brother of Jacob's mother Rebekah . This would make Jacob cousins with Leah and Rachel.
In Genesis 35:22 , Jacob's firstborn son
Reuben committed Inbreeding by sleeping with his father's concubine Bilhah .
In Genesis 38, Judah, the fourth son of
Jacob , mistook his daughter-in-law Tamar for a
prostitute while she was veiled, and had sex with her.
The biblical character Amram married his paternal aunt, Jochebed , the mother of Miriam,
Aaron and Moses .
In the book of 2nd Samuel , Amnon , King David 's eldest son and heir to the throne, raped his half-sister Tamar; Tamar's brother, Absalom , learned of the incident and, two years later, ordered his servants to have Amnon killed. It is noteworthy that when pleading in vain with Amnon, Tamar said, "Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee".
In 2 Samuel 16:22 , Absalom (son of King David ) is in the middle of a rebellion against his father and sleeps with his father's concubines on the roof inside a tent. [/b]

[b] In Genesis 19:30-38 , living in an isolated area after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah , Lot's two daughters conspired to inebriate and seduce their father due to the lack of available partners. Because of intoxication, Lot "perceived not" when his firstborn, and the following night his younger daughter, lay with him. ( Genesis 19:32-35 ) The two children born were directly Lot's sons and indirectly his grandsons, being his daughters' sons. Likewise, their sons were also half-brothers (between them and with their mothers), having the same father.
In one of the tales of a wife confused for a sister , Abraham admitted that his wife Sarah is also his half-sister, on his father's side. However, in the rabbinic literature , Sarah is considered Abraham's niece (the daughter of his brother, Haran).
Abraham's son Isaac married Rebekah, his first cousin once removed , the granddaughter of his father's brother Nahor and niece Milcah. Isaac and Rebekah's firstborn son Esau married his cousin Mahalah , daughter of his father's brother Ishmael, while their second son
Jacob married his cousins Leah and Rachel, daughters of his mother's brother Laban . Marriage of cousins was not forbidden in biblical law.
Jacob married Leah and Rachel (sisters) who were the daughter of Laban . Laban was the brother of Jacob's mother Rebekah . This would make Jacob cousins with Leah and Rachel.
In Genesis 35:22 , Jacob's firstborn son
Reuben committed Inbreeding by sleeping with his father's concubine Bilhah .
In Genesis 38, Judah, the fourth son of
Jacob , mistook his daughter-in-law Tamar for a
prostitute while she was veiled, and had sex with her.
The biblical character Amram married his paternal aunt, Jochebed , the mother of Miriam,
Aaron and Moses .
In the book of 2nd Samuel , Amnon , King David 's eldest son and heir to the throne, raped his half-sister Tamar; Tamar's brother, Absalom , learned of the incident and, two years later, ordered his servants to have Amnon killed. It is noteworthy that when pleading in vain with Amnon, Tamar said, "Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee".
In 2 Samuel 16:22 , Absalom (son of King David ) is in the middle of a rebellion against his father and sleeps with his father's concubines on the roof inside a tent.
[/b]

truthman2012:
This thread is about Muhammad claiming women are deficient in intelligence and not discrimination against them. You are talking about discrimination against women, which cuts across cultures and religions. There are some cults that do not allow women to be members. It is all about discrimination and not intelligence.

When the white discriminates against the black, does that have anything to do with the intelligence of the black people?

OK...why don't you help your fellow Christians here...instead of this fruitless effort
your fellow idolaters
https://www.nairaland.com/3000225/catholics-worship-statues-catholic-answers

ari3l:
Lol

Show me, I Wonna see it, not insulting here

In Genesis 19:30-38 , living in an isolated area after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah , Lot's two daughters conspired to inebriate and seduce their father due to the lack of available partners. Because of intoxication, Lot "perceived not" when his firstborn, and the following night his younger daughter, lay with him. ( Genesis 19:32-35 ) The two children born were directly Lot's sons and indirectly his grandsons, being his daughters' sons. Likewise, their sons were also half-brothers (between them and with their mothers), having the same father.
In one of the tales of a wife confused for a sister , Abraham admitted that his wife Sarah is also his half-sister, on his father's side. However, in the rabbinic literature , Sarah is considered Abraham's niece (the daughter of his brother, Haran).
Abraham's son Isaac married Rebekah, his first cousin once removed , the granddaughter of his father's brother Nahor and niece Milcah. Isaac and Rebekah's firstborn son Esau married his cousin Mahalah , daughter of his father's brother Ishmael, while their second son
Jacob married his cousins Leah and Rachel, daughters of his mother's brother Laban . Marriage of cousins was not forbidden in biblical law.
Jacob married Leah and Rachel (sisters) who were the daughter of Laban . Laban was the brother of Jacob's mother Rebekah . This would make Jacob cousins with Leah and Rachel.
In Genesis 35:22 , Jacob's firstborn son
Reuben committed incest by sleeping with his father's concubine Bilhah .
In Genesis 38, Judah, the fourth son of
Jacob , mistook his daughter-in-law Tamar for a
prostitute while she was veiled, and had sex with her.
The biblical character Amram married his paternal aunt, Jochebed , the mother of Miriam,
Aaron and Moses .
In the book of 2nd Samuel , Amnon , King David 's eldest son and heir to the throne, raped his half-sister Tamar; Tamar's brother, Absalom , learned of the incident and, two years later, ordered his servants to have Amnon killed. It is noteworthy that when pleading in vain with Amnon, Tamar said, "Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee".
In 2 Samuel 16:22 , Absalom (son of King David ) is in the middle of a rebellion against his father and sleeps with his father's concubines on the roof inside a tent.

truthman2012:
[[b][/b]





There is nothing that shows in all of your above posts that women are less intelligent.

Almost in all cultures women are discriminated against, even among the civilized world before the modern days. It is a matter of cultural, spiritual and physical discrimination against their nature, it has nothing to do with their intelligence. Science proves there is no difference between men and women intelligence. Some women are even more intelligent than their male counterpart, making Muhammad's claim false.

You don't get it do you? why do you think the double standard comes from the bible? does it hav to b boldly written for u to agree? I'm done with u

Ecclesiastes 25:22 "Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die."
(from the Catholics Bible) Women in the Bible are considered evil !!!.
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman Catholics Bible); Roman Catholics today form more than 75% of the Christians population throughout the world. Why should the Bible give stupid (with all respect to you) generalizing statements like that about ALL women?
Leviticus 12:2-5 , if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then she becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days. This verse is another proof that women in the Bible are disliked to be born !.
Ecclesiastics 7:26-28 "And I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was still searching but not finding, I found one upright man among a thousand but not one upright woman among them all ". The Bible claims that it is impossible to find a single good woman among a thousand women.
Let us examine the following two verses from the book Leviticus:
Let us look at Leviticus 20:15 "If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal."
Let us look at Leviticus 20:16 "If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Notice that in Leviticus 20:15 the man has to be caught having sex with an animal in order for him to be put to death. We have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the doubt to kill him.
Notice however in Leviticus 20:16 that if a woman only looks SUSPICIOUS and not necessarily get caught having sex with an animal, she would still be put to death. We do not have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the doubt with her in order for us to kill her.
It is beyond question that Leviticus 20:15 and
Leviticus 20:16 prove that the Bible prefers to put women to death whenever an opportunity presents itself!

truthman2012:
Christian women are different because they serve the true God, the author of wisdom. We find in Islam traits of lack of intelligence in the quran and hadiths. A good example is the hadith in the OP that quoted Muhammad as saying women are less intelligent, which is false.

“Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.” (Leviticus 12:2)
“But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.” (Leviticus 12:5)
wow What Great Double Standard!

In other words, the Bible teaches us that:
1)Women should learn in silence and subjugation.
2)Women should not teach.
3)Women should not have authority over men but should remain silent.
4)Adam and Eve were not equal in sin. Adam was not deceived but Eve was.
5)Women are commanded to be under obedience to men. God ordained that men shall for all time rule over women
6)Women must keep silent in Churches. It is shameful for them to open their mouths therein. If they have a question they should ask their husbands before going to church and then their husbands will ask for them in the church.
7)A woman should neither pray nor profess with her head uncovered.
If a woman prays with her head uncovered then she might as well shave her head.
9)Man was created in the image and glory of God, and Woman was created in the glory of Man, thus Man must have power over her.
10)Any woman who delivers a male baby shall be unclean for one week. But any woman who delivers a female baby shall be unclean for TWO weeks. Thus, females make their mothers DOUBLY unclean as compared to males.
11)While it is possible to find one upright man in every thousand, it is impossible to find even one single upright woman in every thousand
12)Woman is a snare, her heart is a trap, and her hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but she will ensnare the sinner.
13)If a woman had her period and touches a chair or a bed or anything else then that item immediately becomes unclean. Anyone who then touches those things shall also become unclean. They must then bathe themselves and wash their clothes because they have touched an item that a menstruous woman has touched.
What the canonized saints of Christianity said about women:
"Woman is a daughter of falsehood, a sentinel of Hell, the enemy of peace; through her Adam lost paradise" (St. John Demascene)
"Woman is the instrument which the devil uses to gain possession of our souls" (St. Cyprian)
"Woman is the fountain of the arm of the devil, her voice is the hissing of the serpent" (St. Anthony)
"Woman has the poison of an asp, the malice of a dragon" (St. Gregory)

NOW EXPLAIN

truthman2012:
What does this mean?

I meant explain to us why christian women are different? while it's all in d bible

truthman2012:
That the Bible says women should learn in silence has nothing to do with their intelligence. It is about the belief or culture of men superior to women in marriage arrangement. That the Bible says women shouldn't usurp authority over the men shows they are equally intelligent.

Are you and your wife (if any) equal in your marital arrangement? Why is it that it is the man that pays on the woman and bring her home? The bible says woman is made for man and not the other way round but the issue has nothing to do with FALSE assertion that women intelligence is DEFICIENT. That is a LIE.

see lies abeg...explain to is why then?

Jerryolumide:
Recieve sense in Jesus name

Ain't nobody receiving nothing for no Jesus here

Even if it's true it should not be reported that it's a 100% christians bla bla...wen it was muslim communities, nobody bothered.. if they're wrong they should be penalized according to law like d rest of the citizens