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rvp2018:
There is metholody established worldwide for counting who is employed and who isn't.Anybody above 15yrs and below 65yrs is unemployed unless he is employed. Yemi kale begin by first saying those in schools - although aged above 15yrs - are not counted because they are in schools ( I stopped there )....and then he goes on & on..and on...to make his own BullSHiet methodology..and end up say Nigeria unemployment is 6% - really nigg.er - even US of A would die for such stats.

Please cook but don't overcook. 6% un-employment

Person hawking kola nuts on the street is not employed.

Fact is everybody in poor country is "employed" because you have to work to eat or sleep...unlike say developed country with social programs.

But we don't count that as employment - Nigeria will count even thugs are employed.

Using that methodology you come up with BS stats like only 6% of Nigerian are un-employed - I guess those are the disabled ones

Kenya if it used that methodology will have 0.5% unemployment but it has a realistic figure of 40% plus.

rvp2018:
There is metholody established worldwide for counting who is employed and who isn't.Anybody above 15yrs and below 65yrs is unemployed unless he is employed. Yemi kale begin by first saying those in schools - although aged above 15yrs - are not counted because they are in schools ( I stopped there )....and then he goes on & on..and on...to make his own BullSHiet methodology..and end up say Nigeria unemployment is 6% - really nigg.er - even US of A would die for such stats.

Please cook but don't overcook. 6% un-employment

Person hawking kola nuts on the street is not employed.

Fact is everybody in poor country is "employed" because you have to work to eat or sleep...unlike say developed country with social programs.

But we don't count that as employment - Nigeria will count even thugs are employed.

Using that methodology you come up with BS stats like only 6% of Nigerian are un-employed - I guess those are the disabled ones

Kenya if it used that methodology will have 0.5% unemployment but it has a realistic figure of 40% plus.

Epic! ���
Took it right from my mouth!

shervydman:
since it's a Nigeria-Nigeria comparison, why bring UK, Germany, US, China, Kenya into it??

You're a sad case.

that's d breakdown of Turkey's 2018 budget. That's about about 290TL or about $72b!! Turkey's GDP is around $850b. What can u say about it??

Turkey's Budget is $200 billion.

Daejoyoung:
Oh hell, where did you get that from my post, Nigeria is not Kenya that has very poor statistics and figures. Many Nigerians may not be honest people, but there's no reason to cook our GDP. Politicians and the Cabals even want the outside world to believe we are poor, so they can cover their tracks.

But you do cook your GDP. The figures don't add up. It's like that man who lives a shitty life, lives in a shitty house, owns no expensive assets, borrows little money from people all the time yet boasts to people how he makes $100,000 a year. I'm pretty sure you know of such kind of people. Facts don't lie.

Daejoyoung:
The budget is low because of corruption, low taxes, and a disorganised informal economy, only the oil sector is organized, and so the Government must find a way to block many loopholes and tax every sector, this all boils down to lack of credible functioning institutions but it doesn't negate the fact that Nigeria is a 400Billion dollar economy. l even believe it's more than that and there have been hints in the past from some quarters that it is way above that.
We are not like the Kenyans who cook false stats and gdp's.

You're here telling us how Nigeria is one hell of a disorganization and that you don't even believe the statistics of your country yet at the same time you and your brothers here in denial are claiming Nigeria's statistical capacity is up there while Kenya's is wanting. Lord have mercy.

shervydman:
that's where d disagreement turns up. Budgets are spent locally. $1b dollar may build 10 mansions in Kenya and 50 of same mansions in Nigeria. It's not about d figure but what d figure can buy in a country.

Dude, it's not about buying what in Kenya and what in Nigeria, it's the Budget to GDP ratio. To make it simpler for you, it's about what you produce against what you spend - this is a Nigeria v Nigeria comparison not a Nigeria v Kenya comparison. LAWD what schools do you people go to?

shervydman:
if u wanna convert our budget to dollar, our federal govt have a budget of #8.4t and states have #9.1t. That makes a total of #17.5t, convert that by $305(benchmark conversion) and u have $57.3b.

That's still worth more than 3-4times it's value by Kenyan standard according to PPP.

Even if I was to assume your figures are correct (I hope they are) that would make your budget a mere 11% of your GDP, still something is not adding up. A budget of $57 billion befits a country of a GDP of between $150B - $250B.

shervydman:
local purchasing power lower than urs means prices of commodities are 46.55% lower than urs. Dude.

You need proper schooling.

68816419:
I tried to make sense of the shiiit you just wrote but couldn't , Nigeria gat totally different budgeting structures that any other African countries, Nigeria gat "federal " Budgets then " States" budgets, the federal budgets mostly funds federal projects(education,defense,infrastructures......), while states budgets finances states programs , unlike Kenya were all counties highly depends on government for their survival(some states in Nigeria also do but they still fund their "states" bidets , Nigeria's system is totally different, Lagos alone passed 1.1trillions (28b$), Cross river even higher , same goes to other

You clearly didn't read my post. I clearly indicated in brackets (federal+states) so don't think you're educating me on anything there, I already know how Nigerian budget works.

You're a super idiot if you honestly believe Lagos has a budget of $28 billion and on that, I won't engage you anymore.

PS..... 1.1T Naira is equal to $2.8 billion not $28 billion. Please get your arithmetics right before trying your hand in economics.

68816419:
that is not true, how does Kenyans got greater purchasing power than Nigerians?

Go through this and understand thing for your self
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Kenya&country2=Nigeria

You do realize you pricked your own foot with a thorn with this data of yours do you? (Local purchasing power in Nigeria is 46.55% lower than Kenya)

rvp2018:
Nigeria unemployment figures are hilarious - Yemi Kale over-cooked BS - who claim Nigeria has 6% unemployment - and yet the total taxes paid to Nigeria Gov minus Oil is nearly nothing. Whack methodology. Whack data. If kenya used the same - it could declare unemployment rate of 0%.

Unemployment rate of 6%, population of almost 200M GDP of $500B like they claim yet their budget (Federal plus state) is a mere $35B yet they dare accuse anyone of cooking data? lol.

Just look at these figures...

US GDP = $18.57T
US Budget = $6.541T representing 35% of their GDP

China GDP = $12T
China Budget = $3.596 representing 30% of their GDP

UK GDP = $2.619T
UK Budget = $1.076T representing 41% of their GDP


Germany GDP = $4.212T
Germany Budget = $1.573T representing 37% of their GDP

Kenya GDP = $88B
Kenya Budget = $28B representing 31% of our GDP.

As you can see averagely the budget represents roughly 30% - 40% of the countries GDP.

Now enter Nigeria,

Nigeria GDP = $500B they say. Some here actually claim it's higher.

Nigeria Budget (Federal + states) = $35 billion representing.....well....7% of their GDP.

7%? These are the people who dare call other people's GDP figures cooked? .....and they say they have a 94% employment rate...you mean all those people don't pay taxes on their salaries? And if Kenya cooks it's GDP figures how does it manage to finance the big budget that's almost equal to Nigeria's yet Nigeria supposedly has a much bigger and more valid GDP? Let's say Kenya actually cooks figures like they claim, let's say our GDP is $50B and not $88B, would you really say our budget represents 60% of our GDP? please be honest with yourselves.

justtoodark:
okay....you have a beef with Tanzanians too....??

They have a beef with us. It is THEM discussing us, not the other way round. Just like you have beef with Ghanaians.

Danielnino00:
The comments at the end of the post got me ROTFL .. That forum is the Kenyan version of nairaland

That's a Tanzanian forum with Tanzanian haters discussing Kenya using information from a Kenyan anti-government gutter press website known as The Kenya Wallstreet. Only an idiot like the fuming guy who quoted that thread as his source would use a source like that. I told you he's dimwit with cowdung brain. Seems he spends his nights digging negative information about Kenya and anything he finds he posts it here irrespective of whether it's legit or not. Idiots have their lives so blown away with this thread.

justtoodark:
realy,...

well,nigeria is different...we dont even know were to even start comparing with una....

monarchs plenty in nigeria....some are even more powerful than politicians....

i told you,kingdoms....

Keep your archaic ways of governance to yourselves. Kenya is a republic.

jason14:
mumu I was being sarcastic and you know

No. You're stupid. Stop blaming Sacarsm on your stupidity. All your posts are stupid.

justtoodark:
na una wan fight na...

i asked before....i used the wrong word....how many kingdoms does kenya has....??

You're stupid. Kenya is not a monarch, it is a republic.

justtoodark:
do you want us to care about you....??

we came here to fight,not to admire you...

now you sound melancolic....

One time you say we are too tiny for you next you say you're fighting us. N** are you just plain stupid or you have no proper comprehension of the language you type in?

254tobby:
These are the same same Nigerians who will stream to other online social platforms to gang up against other African nations with a heap of insults just because one has said negative statement about their country but on ground basis,they are worth facts,I've witnessed this especially in Twitter and some Facebook groups
where these peeps have been constantly attacking Uganda,Zimbabwe,south Africa,Kenya,Rwanda,malawi and many others.These proportion of Nigerians who poke online to insult other Africans are mainly youths,no wonder their president referred them to be LAZY...And to be very sincere and honest,I've never came across any African online causing nuisances and chasing dark shadows with other Africans in the name of massaging their egos,its only Nigerians,a weird achievement indeed!

You forgot Ghana. They're always on Ghana's dick.

jason14:
then Kenya is the highly developed country where d street is paved with gold and d cloud is marshmallow
d floor is flowing with milk and honey, everybody is happy and your GDP is $100tn loooolll are u happy now ?

If that's how Nigerians view Kenya, then you're a liar when when you say you don't give a damn about us. Thank you for exposing yourself.

shervydman:
yeah, while most of ur post is correct, d emboldened isn't.

Majority of us aren't perturbed about d thread, we only rebuff some unsubstantiated claims by ur guys. If we're really perturbed, we would be "googling" stuffs about kenya but we don't, ur guys does that n we dispute. That's all.

Sometimes lying is clever but it's stupid when you're doing it to yourself. You've been on this thread since 2016 occassionally breaking into irate rants.....that's definitely not a reaction of someone who's unperturbed.

justtoodark:
is not nice buildings or talking that says if you are somebody....its buy power....

saudi arabia doesnt have that much nice buildings....most is sand....their buy power is what matters....

profit matters....nothing else....

Saudi Arabia doesn't have good buildings? lol, dude, since you apparently can't afford to travel, please take some time and read or do researches on the internet instead of childish bickering all through.

jason14:
OK how do you view Nigeria ?(and don't you dare mention poor )

what comes to your mind when Nigeria is mentioned

I see that idiot countryman of yours who's been on this thread since it began yet keeps pretending that Kenya doesn't bother him feeling happy that I'm comparing Nigeria to a lion and Kenya to a dog. lol. Are you guys just stupid or your schooling is problematic?

I clearly said IF you're the lions you claim to be here, you wouldn't be perturbed by the barkings of dogs. Apparently most of you have gotten angered and can't get enough of this thread. Your forum has numerous threads about Kenya opened by your own countrymen. You're clearly not lions.

An educated Kenyan sees Nigeria just as any other corrupt African country with poverty on one site and few rich pot bellied beneficiaries of prebendalism with billions stashed in Swiss banks on the other side. The uneducated view Nigeria as a highly superstitious society famed for it's witchcraft. That's it.

jason14:
please who exactly is Nigeria inferior too?

Is it that you didn't go to school or you're just stupid? I said you have an inferiority complex - that's different from being inferior to anyone......and you wonder why we tell you that your education system is shit.

jason14:
if you know who you are then y are u and ur brothers here in nairaland trying to make your country relevant?

why are u here trying to prove to we Nigerians that Kenya is "better than Nigeria"
if you knew who you were and your countries relevance in Africa and world , u wudnt come here trying so hard to make your country relevant

america is an example of a country that know who they are, you can never see Americans arguing with Germans or Britons on whos country is better , becos they know their countries relevance and importance to d world

You guys keep claiming we are here making ourselves relevant yet you've camped here since your fellow Nigerian created this thread in response to a thread another Nigerian created titled 'Kenya is behind Nigeria in Everything, that's a fact' trying to show how 'mighty' Nigeria is. One wonders who's fooling who - who's really trying to be relevant? Btw why do Nigerians love using that term? That you're trying to be relevant? This is just absurd.

We are not here trying to prove Kenya is better than Nigeria, we are answering the insults you keep hurling at us. I didn't come across this forum because of seeking information on Nigeria, I was seeking information on Kenya when I came across this forum. Then I realized you guys were opening threads every other day trying to bring Kenya down. I am here because my country was being discussed and you guys are mad that we are bursting the bubble you created that Nigeria is some sort of a giant while everywhere in the continent nobody gives a damn about you and no one views you as any giant.

Americans not arguing with Germans is mutual - that's why they're a superpower. Meanwhile you claim to be an African superpower of some kind yet you spend all your time insulting fellow Africans online. If you were really a giant non of you would even be on this thread - Lions don't turn when a dog barks behind them.

jason14:
of all the countries to be obsessed with, its kenya! really

dude d truth is Nigerians see Kenya as a small country that is irrelevant. thats just d bitter truth

It doesn't matter what some irrelevant fool pretends to see us as, what matters to us is what we really are and we'll never allow anyone to put us down as long as we know the truth.

jason14:
is it not the same Kenya that Lagos has a bigger economy than , probably twice Kenya's economy ?

is it not d same Kenya that is irrelevant to Africa and Nigeria?

What's Lagos' GDP? Please bring a credible source.

jason14:
please who exactly is Nigeria inferior too?

See? Inferiority complex.

Daejoyoung:
First you say Nigeria is nothing and doesn't produce anything compared to Kenya, then when we prove you wrong you try to use our size as an excuse?

The only people trying to rubbish another country as nothing to satisfy their inferiority complex here are Nigerians.

Daejoyoung:
One would have expected to see at least 3 Kenyan companies on the list given the way they boast.

Dude, a country of your size has only a few companies in the last fifth of the top 25 companies in Africa and you're here boasting? and all except one are banks that became big after merging? Heck if Kenya that's 4-5 times smaller than you would have a couple of banks in the top 25 if we merged our 45 banks to say 18 like you or lesser.

rvp2017:
Coz unlike Nigeria who had indirect british rule - kenya was direct british rule - and only whites+indians were allowed to do business - and after our independence in 1963 - African started from bottom up and we slowly kicked out or even banned indians from shops/retail business - and they went to manufacturing & other such sectors that Africans were not interested in - and they've made huge fortune. There is no doubt that Asians in Kenya(Indians) control huge part of the manufacturing and other sector. That is historical reality. But unlike Uganda who kicked out Asians and their economy tanked...we started from bottom up and now we are competing with them on equal footing.

The reason why Kenya is way better than nigeria in all aspect - is because of that direct rule - we had huge settler british community that kicked started our farming and tourism - indians did the trade and manufacturing - and we the Africans were smart enough to realize we didn't have to kick them out or be hostile - we just had to go to school and compete.

Otherwise we would be one giant 500B 200M joke of the world like Nigeria. I see you were quick to invite the ZIm white farmers.

It doesn't matter the colour of the cat - so say the chinese - as long as it catch the mice

On point!

nwoke37:
Nothing in Kenya...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5XJz71-55o

He has plans to establish a cement factory in Kenya I believe... but complained about the corruption
Corruption is killing Africa..

I've heard from many Nigerians that Aliko Dangote is a beneficiary of Nigerian prebendalism and was and is very connected amongst Nigeria's corrupt political class. Whenever Dangote tries to invest outside Nigeria - especially outside West Africa, he faces a situation where he's just like any other businessman with no connection advantage at best or where it's his business rivals who are connected at worst. This is the reason he's always complaining about other African nations being corrupt whenever he tries to invest outside Nigeria. He complained about Tanzania, Ethiopia and now Kenya. That's reality hitting him hard - sometimes you're so used to corruption working in your favor it's hard to comprehend fair competition or corruption working against you.

TayserMahiri:
You kicked of reaaalyy well in your earlier post but like with everyone in this thread, you couldnt stand the test of time. Inevitably, you start defending your own. Four posts down the line you have the qualities of everyone in this thread.

You started by posing what every Nigerian has tried "why are kenyans here, and are Nigerians ever on Kenyan sites?". Sorry to tell you that has probably been asked a million times here. So here is the response, and I hope all newcomers refrain from the same question henceforth:

You wont find Kenyans creating country comparison threads in Kenyan forums like you find here.
This comparison thread was started by a Nigerian.

You get the drift?

You cannot start discussing about me and then ask me "why are you joining the discussion which is about yourself?" Its inevitable that I will join to correct any misconceptions and try to paint the right image about myself because I know myself better. Even though you may be saying that, Aha! this guy is lovely and all stunning, you will as well be saying untruths like he is insane and inebriated!

Bottomline; if you start discussing me, it first shows that:

1. my life alone is enough concern to you even in my absence, and
2. you should expect me to come into the discussion because it is LOUD. Its not like its a private convo. If it was in a private chatroom, no kenyan would be there.

We are not shocked that Nigerians are defending their country, that is precisely what we expected. What we are shocked with is that you find it shocking that we are defending our country. What did you expect? When we defend ourselves its shocking but its not when you defend yourselves.

By the time you got to your second paragraph, you were on straws, really. You were hardly indistinguishable from the multitudes that have tried that line before. You wish to lie that Kenya is the last thing in Nigerian minds, with no threads about Kenya. So who created this thread and why? There is a thread about Kenya almost every day in this site, unless you are new. And almost all are started by who? Yep, Nigerians! Ofcourse! And when Kenyans contribute you get mad! What do you want? Either you stop the projection on us or start threads and wait for the inevitable. We may be 5000 kilometers away but online, we are just next door. It is even worse because the speed of our internet is something else, we see your posts here earlier than some of your neighbors. Dont even mistake our presence as promotion for tourism, that is just a side kick for our presence. Our presence here is precisely because well, you cannot keep off our mentions.

Wondering why we dont pose the query to the Nigerians here ? Because we dont care ! Should we go about asking everyone from overseas that funny question? It is only in a thread like this that we encounter such questions, and its possibly a unique thread in the world. I have never come across this kind of thread anywhere before.

Frankly, I dont think there is any way you can spin it to put the blame on Kenyans.

Epic!

TayserMahiri:
Seriously, Muafrika should tell the guy that any Luo who worked as policemen during colonial times is dead now !

Hahaha.......he doesn't realize we all hold different political opinions here yet we all are getting along well.