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Politics › Re: How Alex Ekwueme Created The Idea Of The South-South Zone. by naptu2(op):
grin This thread exposes a lot of people who are totally incapable of reading and understanding simple texts. There are many reasons for this.


1) There are people who are consumed by emotions and who just rushed in to comment after reading the headline. It is abundantly obvious that they did not read the post. How?

Some people are angrily trying to state things that have already been written in the first post. I mean, it's already there in the first post, didn't you read it?

There are even some people that are claiming that what is written in the first post is the total opposite of what is written in the first post. It tells you that these people did not even read it, they simply made assumptions about what is written in the first post. They claim that what is written there shows hatred for Igbos. How can an interview of an Igbo man show hatred for Igbos?? What the hell in that post shows hatred for Igbos?? (ask them that question and they can't answer apart from ranting incoherently) grin Obviously those people are far removed from reality.


These people do not know that they are simply exposing their inability to read and comprehend simple texts.



2) There are also some who are too lazy to read. They suffer from chronic mental laziness.


Then you have the funniest bunch. You might call them the clown princes. These ones did not even pretend to address the issues in the post. They are only here to try and insult me (what a colossal waste of time), to derail the thread or to try and whip up sentiments. Look at their posts, there isn't even any pretence about trying to make an intelligent contribution to the issues in the thread. Absolutely none.


You also have those who are desperately trying to manufacture facts that are not real. These things are not based on actual facts, rather they are based on assumptions. One said that Ebitu Ukiwe executed the 6 zones idea because he was the highest ranking Igbo military man in office. The truth is that he was removed from office almost a decade earlier, he was not the highest ranking Igbo officer at the time, neither did he have anything to do with the implementation of the idea.

Another said that it was Abacha that drew the boundaries of the 6 zones. Abacha had absolutely nothing to do with drawing the boundaries of the 6 zones. The only states that Abacha created were Ebonyi, Bayelsa, Nasarawa, Zamfara, Gombe and Ekiti and none of them had anything to do with the boundaries of the 6 zones. No new boundaries were drawn for the 6 zones (Alex Ekwueme used the already existing boundaries). In fact, the 1995 constitution which contained the zones was never implemented and the idea was removed from the 1999 constitution because the constitutional conference had rejected it. It was the National Assembly (after 1999) that took a look at the idea, liked it and began implementing it via various laws. It had nothing to do with Abacha (apart from the fact that he accepted it for inclusion into the 1995 constitution).

One incredibly funny one is claiming that Ekwueme did not create the idea grin despite the fact that Ekwueme said that he did. She probably knows better than the man. grin She doesn't even know, or cannot comprehend what the phrase, "Created the idea" means. grin

Overall, this has been a very interesting thread, filled with some intelligent people, some juveniles and many entertainers.
Politics › Re: How Alex Ekwueme Created The Idea Of The South-South Zone. by naptu2(op): 7:56pm On Jun 18, 2021
Wow! 8 pages of only 14,000 views. shocked
Politics › Re: How Alex Ekwueme Created The Idea Of The South-South Zone. by naptu2(op): 1:33pm On Jun 18, 2021
How can reading simple texts be so hard?

For God's sakes, it's in simple English!

How can people give wild and far off the mark interpretations to things that are right in front of them??
Politics › Re: Rejoinder To Naptu‘s Thread: How Ekwueme Created The South-South Zone by naptu2: 1:19pm On Jun 18, 2021
Eastlink:
Kabba province remaining in the north was the decision of the colonial masters. Kabba province was suppose to be in the West if we follow due ethnic delineation. The same applies to Asaba province which ought not to be in the west and Benin province which suppose to be the rightful mid-west.
Aha! That's where the blame should be, the Colonial masters. It had nothing to do with either Abacha or Ekwueme and that's why it was not in my thread (it predated them).
Politics › Re: Rejoinder To Naptu‘s Thread: How Ekwueme Created The South-South Zone by naptu2: 1:03pm On Jun 18, 2021
I'll make it simple. You mentioned Kabba Province. Was Kabba Province part of Northern Nigeria before Abacha became head of state? Was it Abacha that made it part of the North?
Politics › Re: Rejoinder To Naptu‘s Thread: How Ekwueme Created The South-South Zone by naptu2: 1:00pm On Jun 18, 2021
Some have suggested the abolition of the states and for the six geopolitical zones to become the federating bodies. Do you concur?

The states don’t have to be abolished. It is a matter of nomenclature. When we had Eastern Region, we had 12 provinces which Michael Okpara created. Ogoja province, Calabar Province, Uyo Province, Annang Province, Enugu Province, Onitsha Province, Owerri Province, Umuahia Province and Port-Harcourt Province, Degema Province. There were six provinces in the minority areas and six in the Igbo areas, and all these provinces had their provincial commissioners, had their assemblies and had their provincial scholarship boards.
I did my analysis while I was in Kirikiri Prison, the only problem with the form of government that we had with that structure was that it was lopsided. The structure of the regions at independence was such that one region, the North was said to have been bigger than the two other regions, East and West and when even Mid-West was created the North was still bigger than East, West and Midwest and in a parliamentary system based on population, the membership of the parliament allocated more seats to Northern Region than to all other regions put together.

If as they did in the North, they all decided to go into one party, a Northern party, and they elected all their legislators on that party, then they would continue to have the leadership of the country for ever which would not be palatable to the rest of the country. That was one fault in the disparity in the size of the regions.

The second problem I discovered was that within each region, you had majority group and a group of minorities. In the West, the Yoruba were the majority group, and the minority group was what grouped together in what became the Midwest. In the East, the Igbo were the majority and the minority group called themselves the COR State – Calabar, Ogoja, Rivers. In the North, Hausa Fulani were the majority group and the minority were mostly the Middle Belt and to some extent, the Kanuri.

So, you had a struggle within each region between the majority and the minority. So, I decided to cure these two problems that we must have parity of regions between the Old North and the Old South and that was why I decided to have parity of geopolitical zones between the North and the South.

And it also helped to have parity between the majority regions and the minority regions; the majority regions being in the Northwest, mostly Hausa-Fulani, Southwest, mostly Yoruba and the Southeast , mostly Igbo; and the minority regions being Northeast where you have the Kanuri with a number of ethnic groups in Bauchi, Gombe, Adamawa and Taraba; and in the North Central you have Benue, Plateau, Nasarawa, Kogi, Kwara, Niger; and in the South you have the minorities in the former Midwestern Region and the minority of the Southeast region who together formed the South-South.

So instead of three regions, you now have six regions; three majority, three minority; three in the North, three in the South – parity between North and South, parity between majority and minority and the apportionment of representation would be as we negotiated with our colonial masters on the basis of which we got our independence.
Politics › Re: Rejoinder To Naptu‘s Thread: How Ekwueme Created The South-South Zone by naptu2: 12:55pm On Jun 18, 2021
[quote author=Eastlink post=102846613][/quote]That's what I'm saying Ekwueme and Abacha did not draw a new boundary. What they did was to take whole blocks, based on existing boundaries and fit them into the zones.

Kwara was part of the Northern Region. It was never part of the Western Region. Therefore they fit Kwara into the Northern minorities. The boundary had already been drawn long before the zones were created. The problem is that there are Yorubas there, but they didn't create the problem.


In the south, the Midwest was part of the Western Region. What is the Midwest? Benin and Delta provinces. Are there no Igbos in Delta Province? Of course there are. However, it wasn't Abacha or Ekwueme that created Delta Province or the Midwest. The boundaries already existed.


The only states that Abacha created were Ebonyi, Bayelsa, Nasarawa, Zamfara, Gombe and Ekiti states and none of them involved these problematic boundaries that we are talking about. Those boundaries existed long before 1995.

Read Ekwueme's interview. He addressed these things there. Or better still, I'll quote from that portion.
Politics › Re: Rejoinder To Naptu‘s Thread: How Ekwueme Created The South-South Zone by naptu2: 12:38pm On Jun 18, 2021
There's just one thing that I want to add to your thread. It revolves around the idea that Abacha drew the boundaries and the geographical locations of the zones.

Alex Ekwueme addressed this issue in his interview. Both Ekwueme and Abacha are not the sources of the problems that you identified. You need to go back in time for that.


What both Ekwueme and Abacha did was to use the existing states in drawing up the zones.

Ekwueme said that the South-South consisted of the COR states and the Midwest. What were the boundaries of the COR states and Midwest? That's where the issue is. How did the Midwest come to be? How did the CORR states come into being?


Kwara State had been in the Northern Region at Independence. Ekwueme also mentioned this. In drawing up the zones in the North, they used places that already existed in the Northern Region.

So you see, it wasn't Ekwueme or Abacha that did this and that's why it is not in my thread (although Ekwueme mentioned it in his interview when he was talking about the boundaries).


There was an old thread about this issue (I think it was from 2012 or so), I'll go and search for it.


However, I welcome this thread. It should be interesting.

I'll also give you a boost. Ekwueme hinted at something, and that thing is what I'm going to use to search for the old thread. He mentioned the CORR States. That was a group of minorities that wanted their own state and submitted a petition to the Willink Commission.

I have a strong suspicion that those agitations at the Willink Commission influenced Ekwueme in creating the zones. It would be interesting to read them.

How were the divisions created during the Colonial era? What was the Benin Division, the Delta Province, the Cross River, Ogoja, Rivers areas, etc.
Politics › Re: How Alex Ekwueme Created The Idea Of The South-South Zone. by naptu2(op): 10:43am On Jun 18, 2021
Sincinnati:
So how many of your kinsmen running naked on this thread have you called to order? You were quick to write about how no one could have a reasonable discussion with you because a few people insulted you.

Yeah, I admit that you were insulted by ignorant folks who could be Igbos, but on this same thread people have been insulting and making disparaging remarks about Igbos for the creation of the South South, and I’m yet to see you call any of them out, seeing they’re here calling Igbos names on your own thread that ought to commend same Igbos for an honorable act.

Domineering and hateful has always been you guys preferred cliches when describing Igbos, yet history keeps proving you guys wrong.

There’s no denying the fact that your aim of creating this thread was not only to impart knowledge, you had an agenda. Everyone could see it in your following posts.
First and foremost, WHO THE HELL ARE MY KINSMEN??

Secondly, if anybody breaks the rules, I do not need to tell that person anything. I am known on Nairaland for immediately reporting people to the mods (Some people even think that I'm a mod because I do not waste time in getting people banned if they misbehave), though the mods are not as efficient as they used to be. I recommend it to you too.
Politics › Re: How Alex Ekwueme Created The Idea Of The South-South Zone. by naptu2(op): 10:28am On Jun 18, 2021
Igboid:
Lol!
Those threads were just you projecting your dead "ONE NIGERIA" agenda than anything else.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha

I knew that he wouldn't have a sensible response.

Did those threads not show Igbos in a positive light? Is that not what you asked for.

I know the trick you are trying to play.

You can't argue based on facts, so you insult people in order to derail the thread. When that fails you try and derail the thread by talking about other things (as you did in your previous post). When that fails you try and shift the goalpost (as you are doing now).

It's all a waste of time. I'm only moved by superior reasoning, not all these childish games.

You can continue playing them by yourself. You have shown me that you are not serious, so I won't read or respond to your posts anymore. Goodbye.
Politics › Re: How Alex Ekwueme Created The Idea Of The South-South Zone. by naptu2(op): 10:20am On Jun 18, 2021
Sincinnati:
If people are left to decide the intent of creating a South South region, from your post, do you think they would call Igbos bigots, domineering, hate filled and other ad hominem you use to describe them?

Creation of the South South was never a mistake, it was purposely done by an Igbo man to give collective and weighty voice to the minority groups of the South, and till today, that idea has remained effective.

Why then do covert BIGOTs like you still term Igbos as domineering and hateful? If we are such, would an Igbo man have cared about giving a strong voice to the so called minorities?

Why are you people like this?

You created this thread to bash Igbos base on say some uninformed people have be ranting about the creation of the South South and how it alienated them from their historical/cultural neighbors in the South. But on a more reasonable thought, it should’ve been a thread to commend Igbos political liberalism then. Nevertheless, Bigots are Bigots, no mask can conceal you all.
You see what I mean by bigots projecting their bigotry??

Please show me where I said that Igbos are domineering and hateful. I wrote about the noble reasons that made Alex Ekwueme to create the idea of the 6 politicial zones and you have been going all over the thread as if it was a bad thing.

What the hell is hateful about creating 6 geopolitical zones?

If it was hateful, would we not say that Bisi Onabanjo was hateful in contributing to the idea??

Would we not say that Abacha was hateful in approving the idea??

Would we not say that the whole of Nigeria, represented by the National Assembly, was hateful in including the idea in their laws?/

Did you actually read what I wrote or are you just assuming based on your bigoted world view?/



The basic idea was to provide equality between the regions of Nigeria. During the 1st Republic, Northern Nigeria was bigger than the other 2 regions (East and West) combined and there were always fears that it would dominate the country. Dr Ekwueme decided to address this issue by creating a balance.

Furthermore, minority ethnic groups were always complaining that they were being dominated by the 3 big ethnic groups and so his idea was developed in such a way that the minorities would have a voice.

In his idea, there would be an Eastern Region which would be mainly made up of the Igbo ethnic group and a Western Region that would be mainly made up of the Yoruba ethnic group. There would then be a South-South Region that would be mainly made up of the southern minorities.

There would also be a North-Western Region which would be mainly made up of the Hausa and Fulani ethnic groups and a North-East Region which would be mainly made up of the Kanuri ethnic group. There would then be a North-Central Region that would be mainly made up of the minorities in the North.

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