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Politics › Re: Rwandan President Welcomes Davido At Airport (photos) by naptu2: 4:55am On Aug 12, 2014
The concert was part of activities marking Rwanda's Liberation Day. Many East and Central African presidents witnessed the events (which included a military parade, etc).
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 3:29am On Aug 12, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3: I hope it gets to Nigeria soon. Nice development and good news.
Yes. The drug only exists in limited quantities because it takes some time to grow the antibodies in tobacco leaves, but it's what you were talking about, i.e. attack being the best form of defence.
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 3:15am On Aug 12, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3:

Vaughn Sterling @vplus

CNN JUST IN: All existing doses of the serum ZMapp, the experimental #Ebola drug, sent to West Africa. -@DanielleCNN
https://mobile.twitter.com/vplus/status/498953476299558912
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 12:41am On Aug 11, 2014
EkoIle1: And that critical and effective step is prevention..

Protecting your homeland is your number one duty and obligation including before other countries or entities.
Think about it this way, attack is the best form of defence (they are both important).
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 12:22am On Aug 11, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3: That is why our government has to work with them to fast track the process. We can not expect the Japanese and Canadians to be effective at their country while our govern EMT folds their hands.

Contact them, find their challenges and help them overcome it fast.
Agreed
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 12:21am On Aug 11, 2014
Now read this and ask yourself if we couldn't have implemented this since April.


[size=14pt]Nigeria airport steps up Ebola screening measures[/size]

Wednesday 6 August 2014 05:50 REUTERS

Nigeria's Murtala Muhammed International Airport in Lagos has stepped up its health screening measures after the nation's second Ebola case was confirmed on Monday.

The country's health minister, Onyebuchi Chukwu, said one of the doctors who treated Nigeria's first official case of Ebola has contracted the virus. The doctor treated Liberian citizen Patrick Sawyer, who was diagnosed with the virus when he arrived in Lagos on July 20 and who died of the disease five days later.

Lagos airport is now clearly on alert.[size=13pt] Passengers are screened to determine whether their body temperature is abnormal. Authorities say arrangements have been put in place to detect anyone coming into Nigeria with the Ebola virus.

"What we do is, the airlines must first, at the point of departure, ensure that they do not board passengers with the ailment. And on arrival here, even before the arrival, we have the manifest of the passengers that are coming, and they have forms to fill as they arrive," said Yakubu Datti, general manager of corporate communications, Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria.

"We have a medical team from the ministry of health under the port services that inspects their medical history and also have some equipment where they check without having personal contact. And all that is done on arrival even before the immigration.“

And if there is any suspicious passenger, the passenger goes to this holding area, which we have provided for further investigation, or interrogation. After which, if it is established that he's a carrier, we have a quarantine area where the patient will be quarantined for necessary action," Datti continued.[/size]

Nigerian authorities have been running a media campaign to inform people about Ebola and what to do to avoid it. Following the confirmation of Nigeria's second case of the virus, that campaign may be intensified.
http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/2191150044ff56648cad9da5ad025b24/Nigeria-airport-steps-up-Ebola-screening-measures

There was absolutely nothing stopping us from doing this in April.
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 12:14am On Aug 11, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3: So now Fujifilm and Tekmira are in possession of experimental drugs for treating Ebola, our government should reach out to them now.

Support them financially. I believe that is why they are running to America to support them to perform their clinical trials.

Not only in Nigeria but the affected African countries.
I agree with this, but, as I told someone this morning, there are some challenged that we'll need to overcome (I call them the Trovan challenges).

1) They'll need assurances about the security of their drug.

2) They'll need waivers from the patients (in case something goes wrong).

3) We'll also need to be able to effectively monitor them (in case something goes wrong).

4) We'll also need to start with a small case study before going on to the larger population.
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:59pm On Aug 10, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3: Protecting it from spreading is a means of shielding and not exposing. If we had done that earlier, it would not spread the way it has.

No one is saying do not protect the people but the most effective step is the most critical.
Once again I agree with you. "If we had done that earlier, it would not spread the way it has".

Very true.
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:54pm On Aug 10, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3: I repeat, preventing the spread at the source would have been the most effective strategy. Not the only strategy.
Exactly! That's my point.

So what measures did we take to help contain it in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guines and what measures did we take to prevent it from spreading here?

That's the issue.

I completely agree with you that it's best to contain it over there, but the question is, what measures did we take to do both?
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:51pm On Aug 10, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3: No line is saying it is completely useless. The most effective strategy would have been to contain the spread at the source earlier. Just as earlier fever screening would have been helpful.

The Americans screening now would not be as effective as them curtailing the spread in Africa.
But that's exactly what I'm saying. It's not an either or situation. We could have helped to contain the disease un Liberia, Sierrs Leone and Guinea as well as taking preventive measures here. I believe in both
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:47pm On Aug 10, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3: On that case, yes it would have worked. On the possibility of it entering, it would not have worked.

Yes, border control would help. I feel helping the fight against the spread generally would have been more effective.
What do you think of protective clothing and isolation units?

Would it have helped if the doctors, ambulance attendants, etc had protective clothing? Would it have prevented the doctor from contracting th disease?

Would it have helped if he had been taken straight to an isolation unit at the infectious diseases centre instead of First Consultants?
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:41pm On Aug 10, 2014
This is what they keep missing. Thermographic scanners will not detect ebola victims 100% of the time, but it will detect some ebola victims (that is those that already have the symptoms) and Mr Sawyer already had those symptoms, so it would have detected him.

Why not deploy them to the airport to detect the ones that it can detect?

They won't have deployed them now (like they have done) if it was completely useless.
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:31pm On Aug 10, 2014
Aha! I thought so. For him it's about supporting GEJ. That's what it's all about.

I have supported GEJ's policies ehere I believe that they've been right and I've also criticised him where he's been wrong. For me it's about the lives of Nigerians. It's not about any politician. The government has a duty to do everything it can to protect Nigerians (like tgrse asian countries are doing) but in this case it did not and people have died because of that.

1) What would have happened if there was a thermographic scanner at the airport to detect Mr Sawyer (who had already started manifesting symptoms)? If you say that thermographic scanners are unnecessary, then why has the government now announced that they will be deployed at the airport?

2) What would have happened if there were properly kitted response teams at the airport (wearing protective clothing)?

3) What would have happened if we had barred Liberians, Siera Leonians, Guineans and anybody who had been to those countries from coming into the country?

The answer is that we won't have the crisis that we currently have. Those people would not have died.

QED
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2:
[size=14pt]Asia on Alert for Ebola Outbreak[/size]

July 31, 2014 7:37 AMSteve Herman

The largest known outbreak of the lethal Ebola virus in West Africa is prompting authorities as far away as Asia to take preventive measures, although scientists say a global spread of the disease is unlikely.

[size=13pt]At South Korea's Incheon International airport, a major hub for air travel in Asia, quarantine inspections of arriving passengers are being enhanced.[/size]

Screening passengers

[size=13pt]Authorities say all passengers are being recorded by an infrared camera to detect fevers.

South Korea Foreign Ministry spokesperson Han Hye-jin says this is being done because Ebola is becoming a big concern. She says the South Korean government, in association with health authorities, is paying attention and carefully determining if additional measures are needed.

The country's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it established an Ebola task force in April and is prepared for possible infections in South Korea.[/size]

Citizens urged to avoid affected countries

It is also urging South Koreans not to visit the affected African countries.

Australia is also cautioning against travel to Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia. Australia's chief medical officer, Chris Baggoley, says the possibility of Ebola arriving there is "very low." But all border protection agencies are on alert for possible symptoms in people arriving by air or sea.

Dr. Nicholas Day, director of the Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit in Bangkok, says these enhanced port screenings, implemented in Asia during previous swine and bird flu scares, are no panacea."It hasn't really, to my knowledge, been conclusively proven that it's an effective public health measure. It makes people feel happier that something is being done. But remember that people with flu, for example, don't have to be symptomatic when they come through. If you're screening using an infrared camera for temperature detection it doesn't necessarily pick up people who are infected. The same is true for Ebola," said Day.

Incubation: 2 - 21 days

The incubation period of the Ebola virus is between two and 21 days, during which time an infected person might not show any signs of infection.

In Hong Kong, the Center for Health Protection says public hospitals will begin to report and test all those who developed fever who, within the past 21 days, traveled to the three affected African countries. Although there are no direct flights from west Africa to Hong Kong, the city's health minister, Dr. Ko Wing-man, expresses concern that infections could still enter the region via a plane flight.

Quarentine suspected cases

Hong Kong's health minister issued the warning following an emergency meeting held with specialists to discuss contingency plans should there be an outbreak there, some 13,000 kilometers from west Africa. Ko says, "suspected cases will be put into isolation as soon as they are identified."Hong Kong newspapers say 59 isolation wards are available at Princess Margaret Hospital for any suspected Ebola cases.The city has seen one scare, so far. A 39-year-old Hong Kong woman, who recently traveled to Kenya, was placed in isolation at Queen Elizabeth's hospital after vomiting and developing a fever. Hong Kong's Hospital Authority says she tested negative for the virus and has been released.

Health Minister: low public risk

Singapore's health ministry is urging the public there "not to be alarmed." It has issued a statement deeming Ebola to pose "a low public health risk to Singapore," in part because "there is low travel connectivity to West Africa where the current outbreak remains limited to."Singapore's Chiangi Airport is ranked the world's fifth busiest with more than 52 million passengers in 2013.Suvarnabhumi, just outside Bangkok, is one of the world's busiest airports with more than 30 million passengers passing through every year.

Thai officials say only 30 to 50 persons per week are believed to come from the countries with the current Ebola outbreak.So far, no special screenings for Ebola among incoming passengers are being implemented. But all hospitals in Thailand are being ordered to monitor patients for any related symptoms, particularly those who have traveled to the outbreak area.

Spreaded by direct contact with bodily fluids
Some airlines have suspended flights into the affected region. But health authorities say there is little risk of passengers contracting the virus on a flight from an infected person. Dr. Day, a tropical medicine researcher, explains Ebola is only spread through direct contact with blood, saliva and other bodily fluids."The reason why everyone is scared about this, and I think quite reasonably so, is that this is a particularly horrible disease. It's luckily quite difficult to transmit unless you're in actual physical contact with a patient. So with standard public health and clinical isolation, quarantine measures, it should be possible to contain any outbreak," said Day.

Since March, there have been more than 1,200 confirmed Ebola cases in West Africa. This is believed to be a new strain of the virus and nearly 700 of those infected in this worst-known outbreak have died.

Liberia is quarantining some communities, closing all schools and some markets while placing all non-essential government personnel on 30-day leave. Public gatherings have already been banned.

Sierra Leone's president, declaring a public health emergency on Thursday, called on security forces to enforce quarantine measures to prevent a further spread of infections.


No known cure

There is no known cure for Ebola. It was first recognized in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of Congo) in 1976. There is no approved vaccine, but at least four are under development. Ebola is a hemorrhagic fever with a fatality rate in human of up to 90 percent. It primarily occurs in remote villages in central and western Africa, near tropical rain forests. The virus is transmitted to people from wild animals. Fruit bats are considered to be the virus' natural host.

Additional reporting by Youmi Kim in Seoul.
http://m.voanews.com/a/asia-on-alert-for-ebola-outbreak/1968678.html
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 10:59pm On Aug 10, 2014
Now I'm going to show you what serious countries (that are thousands of miles away) do.

See, I've seen those guidelines before and as he said the threat level was increased on August 1st. So what happened before August 1st

(I also want to remind you that an infrared camera would have detected Mr Sawyer because he had already started showing symptoms before he got to Nigeria, but he was refusing treatment because he wanted to attend the meeting in Calabar).
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 10:43pm On Aug 10, 2014
Mr Sawyer was taken all the way from the airport to First Consultants in Obalende. The doctors that attended to him were not dressed in protective clothing (neither were the airport workers that he was in contact with). His blood spilled on them (on their bodies). People who came in contact with him were allowed to go home (people who came in contact with the woman at the NNPC clinic were also allowed to go home)!

How do you think that it won't spread? What sort of preparedness is that?
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 10:37pm On Aug 10, 2014
eaglechild: You really like circles.

Phew!
Schooling you is exhausting but i will try my best.

I mentioned that these guidelines are continually upgraded.

I also mentioned that WHO has just declared EBV a Public Health emergency of International Concern prompting a laid down protocol of handling PHEICs to be activated.

This happened on 7th August.
Once again you refuse to answer the question. Was there anything preventing the government of Nigeria from imposing restrictions on people from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone from entering Nigeria since April? See below.


naptu2: It's a simple and straightforward question. Do you agree that if we had put people from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea and people who had passed through these countries under surveillance and had treated them as high risk people and if we had equipped our immigration and airport officials with protective clothing, etc, that the chances of the disease spreading to the doctor, the nursing mother and God knows how many other people, would have been close to zero?
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 10:35pm On Aug 10, 2014
It's a simple and straightforward question. Do you agree that if we had put people from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea and people who had passed through these countries under surveillance and had treated them as high risk people and if we had equipped our immigration and airport officials with protective clothing, etc, that the chances of the disease spreading to the doctor, the nursing mother and God knows how many other people, would have been close to zero?
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 10:26pm On Aug 10, 2014
eaglechild: grin grin grin grin grin grin
lol
You want to take us back to that circle
You know you can always click on the link

I should not spoon feed you.
But i will just this last time.


3.1.4. Screening passengers at points of entry ( ports , airports or ground crossing) is not recommended

Screening of passengers at points of entry (arrival or departure) is costly and expected to have very limited impact because it is very unlikely to detect any arriving person infected with EVD. This is particularly true for EVD with its incubation period of 2 to 21 days and symptoms that are not specific. As part of this, the use of thermal scanners that rely on the presence of ‘fever’ in arriving passengers is costly, unlikely to detect any arriving person infected with EVD and is not encouraged.

Travel restrictions, closure of borders at points of entry are not recommended
1) It says it's not recommended. Nowhere does it say that we can't close our borders and there are no consequences or penalties if we close our borders. You've also admitted that Guinea has closed its borders and Nigeria has banned flights, so it must be effective, so once again why didn't we do this since April?


2) Sensitisation of immigration and port officials only started after Mr. Sawyer's case was detected, yet the guidelines say:



Sensitise staff working at “points of entry”, in healthcare settings or involved in first response (emergency departments, ambulance services, GP offices, fire department, civil defence, airport operators, aircraft operators, port health authority) for early and advanced symptoms of viral haemorrhagic fever.

Emphasize systematic recording in health clinics of travel history of those with relevant symptoms.

.Establish a standard diagnostic procedure for EVD and for common differential diagnoses at an early stage (e.g. malaria, dengue, typhoid fever, shigellosis, cholera, leptospirosis, plague, rickettsiosis, relapsing fever, meningitis, hepatitis, yellow fever and other viral haemorrhagic fevers).

Establish a protocol for notification to the competent public health authorities at an early stage if an EVD case is suspected.

Identify and establish laboratory procedures and operational channels to perform Ebola virus diagnostic testing in the country or refer to the closest WHO Collaborating Centre or reference laboratories able to perform viral haemorrhagic fever diagnostics if cases are suspected.

Ensure basic training of health care workers on principles of provisional barrier and use of personal protective equipment.Emphasize to personnel working in the travel sector the importance of infection control methods.
Keep the regulatory authorities (e.g. national civil aviation authority) informed and involved in decision-making.
Politics › Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 10:08pm On Aug 10, 2014
thegoodjoehunt3: Closing our borders, screening of passengers with Fever will not help. Our best bet is to get clinical trials of these experimental drugs from Japan's Tekmira and Fujifilm started.
It would have helped to prevent the disease from getting in. But you raise a very good point. Professor Iwu was working on a drug derived from bitter kola. The zmap drug is derived from tobacco, which like kolanuts also contains nicotine. How come we didn't support and fund this research to get it to clinical trials stage?

Now we have to hope that the Japanese or Americans graciously give us their experimental drugs (which they might be reluctant to do keeping in mind the Trovan experience).

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