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eaglechild: http://www.who.int/ith/updates/20140421/en/


It is very long and continually upgraded.

I just decided to point this out for the ignorant folks who have been shouting about screening.

3.1.4. Screening passengers at points of entry ( ports , airports or ground crossing) is not recommended

Screening of passengers at points of entry (arrival or departure) is costly and expected to have very limited impact because it is very unlikely to detect any arriving person infected with EVD. This is particularly true for EVD with its incubation period of 2 to 21 days and symptoms that are not specific. As part of this, the use of thermal scanners that rely on the presence of ‘fever’ in arriving passengers is costly, unlikely to detect any arriving person infected with EVD and is not encouraged.


Read and educate yourself

Good. Now show me where it says that we can't close our borders.

AZeD1: I've read them but didn't see any consequence stated.

That's because there's none. He's just trying to run away from the question and trying to have the last word without actually saying anything.

He's been talking about a "WHO directive", but he has failed to show us the "directive" and where it states that we can't close our border.

eaglechild: You see i told you we are going round in circles

Nope. You are simply running away. There's absolutely nothing in what you quoted that spells out any consequences or penalties.

AZeD1: How is ignoring WHO guidelines detrimental?

I've asked that question three times without getting a response. Maybe you'll have better luck.

eaglechild: But ignore at your own detriment

Aha! That's the other question that you ran away from. What does "ignore at your own detriment" actually mean? What are the consequences? Will WHO cane the government?

Where is this directive/guideline that says our borders must be open? I'd really like to see it.

eaglechild:


I only said ignoring WHO guidelines would be detrimental.

In this case Nigeria adhered to it.

eaglechild: directive





Lol!

Please just give up.

Do not beat yourself up.

Recall I said that the directive/guideline may be ignored and that is simply because it is not binding.
But ignore at your detriment.

"I said that the directive/guideline may be ignored".

eaglechild: directive


noun (plural directives)
- An instruction or guideline that indicates how to perform an action or reach a goal.
- An authoritative decision from an official body, which may or may not have binding force.
- (European Union law) A form of legislative act addressed to the Member States. The directive binds the Member State to reach certain objectives in their national legislation.
- The directive case.

adjective (not comparable)
- that directs
- serving to direct, indicate, or guide.
- (grammar) relating to the directive case






Lol!

Please just give up.

Do not beat yourself up.

Recall I said that the directive/guideline may be ignored and that is simply because it is not binding.
But ignore at your detriment.

Finally! You admit that the government of Nigeria can ignore "the guidelines" if it wants? That means that there was nothing stopping Nigeria from closing its borders.

Now I'd like to see the "guidelines" that said we should leave our borders open.

Fact is that there was nothing preventing us from:

1) increasing our alert level.

2) setting up a committee that has representatived from ministry of health, information, the armed forces, immigration service, customs service, Nimasa, NCA, FAAN, etc to manage our response to the threat.

3) banning flights from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

4) setting up screening centres at all points of entry (equipped with infrared scanners, etc).

5) Training our cutoms, immigrations and port officials to prepare them to deal with the situation.

And doing all these since April.

Nigeria is the biggest economy in Africa! It's a no-brainer that people from the affected countries will try to enter Nigeria for work, business, etc.

It was the duty of the government of Nigeria to protect its citizens from this threat and they didn't do a good job.

eaglechild: WHO issues the highest authority in health matters in the world issues travel advice to countries in public health.

They ensure international best practices so that countries that follow WHO directives are acting on best practices.

While a country can even choose to ignore WHO directives altogether, it will be most detrimental to do so.

In this case Nigeria abided by it and closed their borders when it was necessary to do so.


If anyone should be to blame it will be the Liberian government who let a patient under surveillance leave the country.

Good. Step one: WHO issues advice, not directives. This advice has nothing to do with a government's decision to close its borders. A government can decide to close its borders whenever it chooses to.

2) You said it would be most detrimental to choose to ignore the advice. What type of advice and what would be the consequences (basically, will WHO cane us if we choose to ban certain flights in order to protect our citizens).


I know you already know the answers to these questions, but you are just trying to dance around thrm without actually answering them.

eaglechild: Are we not going round in circles?

No we are not You are simply trying to run away from your position.

Does a sovereign government need to wait for WHO directives before shutting itd borders?

Will the WHO cane them for shutting their border?

It's a simple enough question. Yes or no?

eaglechild:
They actually did that after WHO declared an international emergency.

Does the Nigerian government (or any government) need to wait for WHO directive before shutting its borders?

Will WHO cane them if they do not wait for a WHO directive?

eaglechild: Gosh!

Do you think you just wake up and shut borders?

If that was the case then all outbound flights from Nigeria would have been cancelled by the rest of the world.

Do you now think the rest of the world is incompetent too for not shutting us out?


The WHO continually updates travel guidelines and recommendations in scenarios like this.
Up until Sawyer's case the WHO made no such recommendations for flight cancellations or border closures because the disease was fairly contained. British airways and other European and international carriers were still flying in and out of Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone.
Arik was about the first to stop flights followed by BA and Asky etc and all these were after the Sawyer incident took place.

Gosh! Do you mean that the government of the Federal Republic of Nigeria needs to wait for the WHO or Arik Air to tell it to ban flights from certain countries?

Gosh! I've never heard such nonsense in my life!

I guess the WHO would have punished us for shutting our borders (as they did when Obasanjoshut the border wwith Benin or as they've punished Guinea for shutting its borders).

Simple measures:

1) Ban all flights from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

2) Ban all people that are coming from or have passed through these places from entering Nigeria.

3) Set up screening centres (with thermographic cammeras, etc) at all points of entry and train our immigrations and customs officials to deal with these cases.


These could have been done since April.

Now, longer term:

1) Does Nafdac have the capacity to test the eficacciousness of new drugs?

2) What ever happened to Professor Iwu's research (which was based on kolanut. Remember zmap is based on tobacco which, like kolanut, contains nicotine)?

Tonylyte: Why?

I don't know, but you can create a thread and petition the mods to put it on the front page.

Tonylyte: No thread at the front page for the nigerian match?

It appears so.

toluxe0075: I'm sorry to state that this thread is actually not serving it's purpose, we're not getting the necessary updates. Op what time is nigeria's match

9pm.

Adeboye4421: When is naja women playing south korea 2day

9pm Nigerian time.

aisha2: After reading the thread on " Bird turns into girl" and seeing the response that follows I am tilting a little towards the poster.
We raise superstitious, fearful and sometimes lazy people now. Every challenge has to be from an "enemy", a squid was caught in Ibadan and the whole city of Professors went into a frenzy lynching and burning the poor fisher mans house.

We live in a society where you question a "miracle" baby and the whole squad comes on you calling you all sorts, someone will claim she was pregnant for 2 years, Oya which Doctor? What hospital? "No I went to "church" and the Pastor delivered me, scans showed an empty stomach". Or you have triplets after years of waiting and you are somehow ashamed to acknowledge the Doctors and the role of science you lie through your teeth that it was the oil you drank.

You wont invest in science or research but we can buy jets for our pastors then Ebola comes and we are begging a "godless" society to come and save us with their magic serum, what of our miracle dishing pastors?

A Pastor slaps a child in full glare of a crowd and cameras but he is untouchable and when he does it its not a crime because we are told to "Touch not"

We are aslo very selective eg: Death the Gay people but ignoring the same chapter just below also saying death to adulterers.

I am religious but rational, but I am called an atheist because I question a lot. I wouldnt want my child to grow up believing a bird will turn into a girl and proceed to join in lynching.

Someone has fertility challenges and instead of using the reproductive years to find out what is medically wrong they will be moving from church to church until the reproductive age has passed or almost over before trying IVF which by then has less than 10percent of working and it doesnt help that other women who had IVF will stand in church and shamelessly lie that it was the church that gave them "miracle babies"

+100

chelseabmw: Limousine is an old fashion car jor... we talking about Bimmers here... I ve a 2011 BMW X6 and 2007 Acura MDX....I fit give u d MDX mk u k dey soft first.. abeg I try, if u nor gree then I go wait till u change ur mind.... Pata Pata I go endure as usual ..

@ bold: brought back memories.

Car made by BMX or bicycle made by BMW?

Yazmin: Naaa, why should I be.
Thought I was the only F**l until I read your comment and realised there actually was two of us.

Peace....

Back in April Labaran Maku said that we had stocked enough vaccines in case there's an outbreak of ebola in Nigeria. Where are they?

This should also be a good opportunity to test these things to see if they actually work. I got these numbers almost a year ago. Anybody that's encountered flood should call these numbers and post their experience here, let's see if it works.

naptu2: LAGOS STATE EMERGENCY NUMBERS

Distress Call
767, 112

Distressed/Collapsed Building (LASPPDA)
01-5931947, 4933658, 4931940, 7630854

Ambulance Service (LASAMBUS/LASEMS)
08022887777,08022883678,08022887788, 01-7413744,01-7930490,01-7639939

Environmental Monitoring
0803318347078,043705057, 08023036632

[size=14pt]Flooding/Blocked Drainage (EFAG)

08056145481, 08023298197, 08096019599, 08056145484, 08055988566[/size]


Health Facilities Regulation (HEFAMA)

08033229049, 08023149120



Radio Lagos/EKO FM (News Alert)

017267611



Lagos Television (News Alert )

01-496728



Open Corpse (SEHMU)

08034279776, 08033602259, 08023356540, 08030789190



Office of Public Defender (Public Complaints)

01-8975571,7926928



Citizens Mediation Center

08023128837,07055003863



Rapid Response Squad (RRS)

08056250710,08033482380,08023127350, 08033355544, 01-7750715,01-4970389, 01-4970062, 01-4931261, 01-4920388



Traffic Control (LASTMA)

08075005411, 08023111742, 08077551000



BRT

08023146096



Lagbus

08033036816



Pothole/Collapsed Road

07060907493



Broken Pipe/Water Leakage

08034068265



Cutting of Roads (LASMIRA)

08033060452



Environmental/Noise Pollution (LASEPA)

07027951351



Signage/Outdoor Advertisng (LASAA)

01-8996502-9, 01-8251398



Security Trust Fund

08028328204

pheesayor: The state government simply needs to pay more attention to drainage clearance, increase the capacity of those in charge to do more simultaneously.

Where's berem sef?

They also need to do more enforcement and public enlightenment (what's the point of clearing the drains if it'll simply be blocked in no time) and use proper covered drains with metal grates and manholes.