₦airaland Forum

[quote author=re@lchange]some of you people need urgent psychiatric help.
so nigeria is now pakistan?
btw why didn't nigeria allow biafra to go?
why did nigeria starve 2 million igbos to death rather than accept biafran terms?
you nigerians are very hellish and fatalistic by nature.
tufiakwa.[/quote]1) Some posters said that this could only happen in Nigeria. They gave examples of other nations that are fighting terrorists. I have given examples from the UK, The Republic of Ireland, Afghanistan and Pakistan to show that it is not a uniquely Nigerian solution to the problem, neither is it a strange solution (even the americans held discussions with the Taliban).

2) What has this got to do with Biafra? It's a different government, different time (40 years apart), etc.

toluene12: afghan is a nation at war, Nigeria is not at war.
I told u compare like with like.
has pakistan(a semi failed state like nigeria) granted amnesty to those terrorist group residing at its mountainous regions?
has Assad considered amnesty for the syrian liberation army?
besides, afghan and allied troops fought the talibans for 13 years before considering amnesty.
Yet, the talibans have scorned all forms of amnesty extended to them and have continued bombing anything that walks.
anytime the talibans accept a call for truce, they simply use the opportunity to reinforce

SAY NO TO AMNESTY FOR TERRORISTS

Click on the link, you'll see that Pakistan also granted amnesty to and released 10 terrorists (hope you won't come up with another excuse to disqualify Pakistan).

By the way, do you hope to wait for more people to be bombed to death before declaring amnesty, or would you take action to stop the bombing? What if one of the people that might be bombed tomorrow is your relative?

King Arthur and the Square Knights of the Round Table

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7O7NgjWPeM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D6LMSdfXEc

Afghanistan's amnesty for Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants.

http://mobile.tolonews.com/afghanistan/8491-rights-group-slams-afghan-amnesty-for-war-crimes

Every terrorist believes that his cause is just and everybody affected by terrorism believes otherwise.

toluene12: use like to compare like. IRA fought a genuine cause- an end to british rule in northern ireland , unlike boko haram- nobody knows what they even want.
IRA can be likened to niger delta, while boko haram should be likened to al queda. Has any country extended amnesty to the latter?

Yes. Afghanistan.

Besides, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Where was it said that ex-boko haram militants will be given public funds? I thought a committee has just been set up to work out modalities?

Besides, there are Boko Haram militants who are also in jail and who may be eligible for amnesty.

drnoel: come to think of it, was that seires Flaxton boys or Flaxton halls

The name of the series was Flaxton Boys. The name of the house they lived in was Flaxton Hall.

Example.

Martina Anderson was a member of the IRA. When she was 18 she was arrested as she left a furniture store and charged with possession of a firearm and causing an explosion. She was released on bail after spending two months in prison. She escaped across the border to the Republic of Ireland.

Years later she was arrested again, after she was found with 4 notorious IRA militants in a flat in Scotland. They were charged with conspiring to cause (another) explosion. She was sentenced to life imprisonment.

She was released in 1998, under the terms of the Good Friday agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland (part of the conditions of her amnesty was that she had to renounce violence).

She is now a member of the European Parliament.

These kinds of amnesty deals, although they are difficult, are not strange or unique to Nigeria.

For example, in order to end the conflict between the UK Government vs The IRA vs Ulster Militants, the government had to reach amnesty deals and release several notorious prisoners, despite protests from victims and their relatives, in order to broker the peace that residents of Northern Ireland currently enjoy.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]I don't fully agree that the Chiefs have to go to the barrack and explain the amnesty deal. The only explanation necessay is that, the Commander-In-Chief has ordered us to ........end of story. People who have never been in the army or any other service do not appreciate what Orders mean. When you are ordered, you follow those orders, period. It is the responsibility of the Chiefs to make sure that they know potential mutineers and control them effectively. BTW: It is not easy to carry out mutiny in Nigeria today, thanks to OBJ.[/quote]In public, orders are orders. Behind the scenes, orders could lead to reactions. Listen to General Danjuma talk about how he had to calm the troops after Ifeajuna's mutiny and after Gowon announced that he would no longer hand over power in 1975. Even Obasanjo, as civilian president, had to tour formations to speak with junior soldiers. In public, orders are orders. Behind the scenes, orders could lead to reactions.

The problem is not with the military chiefs, neither is it about "security budget". These guys will have to go to the barracks and explain the amnesty deal to the troops. Historically, making these kinds of announcements have never been easy. You are telling a soldier, who has lost his best friend and encountered hardship during operations, to forget about all that and protect former boko haram members, because they are now innocent citizens of Nigeria. It could lead to a mutiny if it's not handled properly.

HNosegbe: GEJ should retire them for airing their opinion?

Actually, that's what Obasanjo did to Victor Malu (although I didn't agree with his decision). Victor Malu had reservations about the american assistance that Obasanjo had gotten for the military (the americans wanted to see our contingency plans, but Victor Malu felt that the plans should be a state secret. Obasanjo sacked Malu almost immediately).

Shagari failed to sack Buhari when Buhari failed to withdraw from Chad as instructed (Buhari explained, in an interview this year, that he didn't disobey the order, but that it took time to withdraw from Chad). We know what happened afterwards.

To an extent I agree with GEJ. Grant them amnesty with conditions.

I do not think that the hardcore members of Boko Haram are interested in any amnesty. However, you can use an amnesty offer to lure the weaker and fringe elements, who might be able to deliver vital intelligence to you. This might also cause a split in the group and weaken it.

However, the main condition that should be attached to the amnesty is that the members of Boko Haram must lay down their arms and disclose the sources of their weapons and funding. Again, as it was in the Niger-Delta amnesty deal, amnesty should not be granted to anyone who has murdered or been involved in the murder of another person.

The military chiefs also have a point (and a huge job to do). It is not easy to tell the ranks that, after their colleagues have been killed and they have faced great difficulty, they now have to accept Boko Haram members as regular citizens of Nigeria. If the announcement is not handled well, it could lead to a mutiny.

To an extent I agree with GEJ. Grant them amnesty with conditions.

I do not think that the hardcore members of Boko Haram are interested in any amnesty. However, you can use an amnesty offer to lure the weaker and fringe elements, who might be able to deliver vital intelligence to you. This might also cause a split in the group and weaken it.

However, the main condition that should be attached to the amnesty is that the members of Boko Haram must lay down their arms and disclose the sources of their weapons and funding.

The military chiefs also have a point (and a huge job to do). It is not easy to tell the ranks that, after their colleagues have been killed and they have faced great difficulty, they now have to accept Boko Haram members as regular citizens of Nigeria. If the announcement is not handled well, it could lead to a mutiny.

I'm still wondering if it's a "security plate".

(Security plates are used to obscure the identity of the person in the vehicle. They are usually used by top government functionaries and members of the security services when they wish to travel incognito or when there is a higher threat level. A single car could have many security plate numbers. However, a flashy car like the Panamera would defeat the purpose).

The Prince and The Pauper


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVvD5c2nxc

Jane Eyre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThlLlkv2GTE

Tom Grattan’s War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3s5YnBqpVY

The Flaxton Boys (Jonathan)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZkWnsZo7cA

yuzedo: Loooooooool!!! Who is this joker?!?!

He is a "billyonaire". Your neighbour on Banana Island.

Security plates? (Some government officials have several security plates).

Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Influence peddling = dominance peddling.

It's obvious where this is going. I'm out.

(going to make me join her in derailing the thread). A few questions for you. . .

1) What's the difference between "influence" and "force".

2) When they say that Beyonce is the most influential female singer, does that mean that she is the best female singer?

[quote author=mondi_cheeks]if u have a thesaurus you would realise...that influential is the same powerful, dominant, strong, prominent..obviously it does include something being better than the other... Having influence over something is having effect on the way something works or develops (to make better). I don't understand how giving mozambique military equipment which it clearly doesn't need helps developing mozambique or the victims of Boko Horam back in Nigeria though [/quote]Influence doesn't mean better. If i say i can influence my mom so that she'll cook rice for dinner, does that mean I am better than my mom Think!

Festac 77 in Lagos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mTgXYwjA3s

[quote author=mondi_cheeks]how can u influence other African countries wen u can't provide basic needs for your own... Please use common sense[/quote]Now you are even attempting to derail the thread. The thread starter was very clear. Which countries have influenced Africa the most, based on certain criteria he gave: - culturally, politically, economically, etc. Yet you've been trying to change the topic to "which country is better", a question that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

You ask how? Check my posts. I provided examples in culture, politics and the military. What examples have you provided?

By the way, sorry, insults don't work on me, they are completely meaningless. Stick to the topic.

[quote author=mondi_cheeks]how has this affected bad roads in Nigerian and the poor supply of water and electricity for the Nigerians [/quote]What does that have to do with influencing other african countries Please read the thread topic again.

Cultural influence.

Fela Anikulapo-Kuti in Berlin, Germany. Fela influenced americans who created the Afro-Beat group Antibalas. He inspired Hugh Masekela who did a cover version of Fela's "Lady". Some even say that members of James Brown's band came to study Fela's technique at the "Shrine". Although he was not exactly good friends with Paul McCartney (the two had a clash when McCartney came to record an album in Lagos).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz2jXHKa7TY

Cultural influence

Pastor Chris Ojigbani (who is not one of the most influential Nigerian pastors) at the Ohene Djan Sports Stadium, Accra, Ghana.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-Yw0QiGO0

MiG 21 at Makurdi. They were acquired when Murtala gave our MiG 17s to Angola and Mozambique due to threats from South Africa.
https://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/40528_461587132789_5795465_n.jpg

Political influence.

Nigeria was made an honorary member of the frontline states, although it had no border with South Africa. This was because of the enormous support Nigeria gave to South African and Namibian resistance movements and the frontline states themselves (i remember when kids were asked to contribute a small amount of money towards SWAPO's activities).

The government even gave Angola and Mozambique our MiG 17s (which we used during the civil war) and acquired MiG21s to replace them.