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Anyway, you've already stated it. Military rule does not guarantee a better economy.

That's the fact.

IHate9jerianss:
I do remember Kingsway & Leventis.Would go shopping there sometimes with my mother.
I can't remember them shutting down but they did.STILL,the economic situation for the average Nigerian wasn't as brutal under military rule as it is in Nigeria today.
The horrific poverty in the country today,simply didn't exist back then

If it wasn't as brutal, why did we have SAP riots??

What can be more brutal than not having food to eat?.

Do you know what level 101 means?

Do you know the level of inflation we had under military rule in the mid and late 1980s

Remember, most people were government workers then, unlike now that a lot of people work for themselves and can increase their charges. There was galloping inflation and government didn't increase salaries.

Do you know how Tokunbo cars came to be? When Nigerians could not afford new cars (for the first time ever)?

Don't sugarcoat and romanticise it, we had exactly the same thing under military rule amd military rule or democracy does not guarantee good standard of living.

IHate9jerianss:
It doesnt but from my lived experience of both systems of rule,it seems much better than whatever is being practiced in Nigeria today which clearly isn't working (especially economically) for the generality of the citizenry

That's the point. You don't know what you are talking about.

We've had bad economy under military rule and we've had bad economy under democracy.

The only difference is that you have a better chance of doing something about it under democracy and you have absolutely no chance of doing anything about it under military rule and people will die. Many people will die.

This reminds me of the MMM debate on this same Nairaland.

Government is bad, therefore MMM.

How?

Did you at any time witness when the naira was stronger than the dollar? Do you know when the dollar became stronger than the naira? When cartoonists drew the picture of the dollar punching the naira in a boxing ring.

Do you know when Kingsway shut down? What about Leventis and the cinemas?

IHate9jerianss:
I will turn 39 in August 2025.
I can categorically tell you,standard of living was much better under military rule.
There was fuel scarcity (first saw it in 1994) ,harassment & imprisonment of journalists (TELL magazine etc) and rampant corruption BUT standard of living of the average Nigerian was better.
I began to notice how extremely poor Nigerians were becoming around 2001 and the situation has only become worse.

39 is not old enough to know how things were under military rule. Did you witness the currency slump of 1986? How old were you during the SAP riots of 1988? How old were you during the SAP riots of 1989??

You have still not answered my question. How does military rule guarantee a higher standard of living??

It's like someone arguing that, "I wore my sweater, so I should not get wet from the rain". How does wearing your sweater prevent you from getting wet from the rain?

IHate9jerianss:
Standard of living of the people under different democratic dispensations in Nigeria have always been poor.
There has never been an improvement.Instead, it has gotten worse under every administration mostly due to the neo-liberal capitalist policies forced unto our Govts by foreign western powers.
Before the advent of the democratic Govt in 1999,one of the major promises back then of the gains of democratic rule was the people's standard of living would improve.
Has it? Certainly not.
Is it freedom of speech the average citizen will feed on? Or tangible economic improvement of their lives?

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You are running away from my question.

Nigeria was under military rule in the 1980s and SAP was implemented. People said that the standard of living was poor and SAP was sapping people. Various slangs appeared. People were on level 101, level 010, etc.

If you are too young to know, then I'll spell it out for you, level 101 meant that people ate breakfast, did not eat lunch and ate dinner. Level 010 meant that people only ate lunch.

This was under military rule in the 1980s

Once again (and don't run away from the questions)

So it is democracy that makes the standard of living high? So standard of living cannot be poor under military rule??

IHate9jerianss:
Sir,what is the purpose of Democracy if the standard of living of the citizenry is very poor?

Freedom of speech does not put food on the table.

Wonderful! So it is democracy that makes the standard of living high? So standard of living cannot be poor under military rule??

Wonderful!

Nigerian versions of the Donfeng Mengshi (manufactured in Nigeria by Epail).

People are posting all kinds of things on Nairaland and calling for military rule.

Isn't that funny?

Do they think that they would have been able to post the things that they are currently posting if we were under military rule? Do they know what would have happened to them?

Anyway, to many Nigerians the grass is always greener on the other side. Everything is always better than what they are going through. Military rule will always be better than democracy when they are in a democracy and democracy will be better than military rule when they are under military rule.

They can't see farther than today.

Akinremi twins.

Omolade (Kehinde) and Omotayo (Taiwo) Akinremi represented Nigeria in the 400m hurdles in the 1990s. One of them later joined the the US Air Force and competed for them at the World Military Games in the 2000s.

Where did those videos come from?

The issue of succession is one of the biggest problems of dictatorships. When will the tenure end? Who will take over afterwards? These questions are never fully answered and this always leads to a power struggle.

Felix Houphouet Boigny was president of the Ivory Coast from independence in 1960 till his death in 1993. I listened to him on the BBC when he ssid that he wasn't going to hand over to anyone because he was a chief in his village and by their tradition, a chief does not see his successor.

There was a power struggle between Allasane Ouattara and Henry Konan Bedie after Boigny died. Bedie won and was president till 1999 when there was a coup.

Basically, Ivory Coast suffered serious instability in the 2000s. There were 2 civil wars, presidents that lost elections but refused to accept the results, military rule, etc. Most of the videos that are being circulated are from that time.

In fact, some people are circulating the video of the arrest of Laurent Gbagbo and claiming that it was President Ouattara that was arrested.

There was no coup in the Ivory Coast, it's just a rumour that was manufactured by some people.

"Democracy is the worst form of government. . .until you try others" - Winston Churchill.

Biafran groups also spread the rumours.

That was my statememt.

Is this statement correct? Yes, it is a fact.

Anybody can use Google, Twitter, Facebook and other search engines and see that it is a fact.

Guyman02 and ChybuzzDD are wasting their time, I report facts and everybody can see that it's a fact.

All their stories are simply a waste of time. Nothing that they do will change facts.

naptu2:
I will block that guy before the end of today.

ChybuzzDD thinks that I am going to read his post. Isn't that funny?

Why didn't he complain when I wrote about Russians and why didn't he say that I am a bi got because I wrote about Russians? Why didn't he say that Russians are just blogging?

I will block that guy before the end of today.

ChybuzzDD:
You're still getting it wrong.

Their roles in announcing the news, as many bloggers do, are still different from those of the Pro-Russian groups which are both propagating and encouraging, if not sponsoring, the coup

One of the Biafran group was even calling on the West to sit up. How's that a problem to you?

Why didn't you pick on the Russian groups?

And for your brothers from the sw who have marshalled out as usual to spew their ha te, i didn't see any of the Biafrann group call for coup in Nigeria

You wrote falsehood and instead of admitting it you posted the crap above.

I created this thread and I wrote about the Russian groups that you mentioned.

I wrote that many Biafran groups also spread the rumour and what I wrote is true.

Everything I wrote is true and nothing that you wrote is true.

I deal with facts, not sentiments.

I won't read your post again because you deal in sentiments not facts.

ChybuzzDD made a very funny post.

I find it very funny and highly entertaining when people try to deny something that is easily verifiable. I included links in my last post, but the bot hid them.

I have now added screenshots in the original post. There are very many more, but Nairaland only allows me to post 4 screenshots.

004gist:
watin big news don report.


Either say its unsuccessful or successful. Dont say there is no coup

004gist is one of the people that I described above.

ShootThemAll:
Naptu2 is reportedly part of Bayo Onanuga's media propaganda team. They’re worried about a repeat of what happened in Burkina Faso, a successful coup, possibly occurring in Côte d'Ivoire. They fear Nigeria might be next!

ShootThemAll is reportedly part of Russia's media propaganda team. They’re worried that what happened in Burkina Faso, a successful coup, has not occurred in Côte d'Ivoire. They worry that Nigeria might not be next! [/b]

Some rumour mongers claim that the president has been captured while others claim that he fled. There have also been claims that the chief of defence staff is dead.

All these claims are not true.

The people that are backing this campaign have been calling for coups in Nigeria, Ghana, the Ivory Coast and other West African countries. They have also been promoting the military dictatorships in Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger.

The rumours are also being spread by some pro-Biafra groups.