Electorate: Op, I thought it was Shehu Sani that has issues with El-Rufai, show us link and proof Uba did have issues with El-Rufai. Abi you are confusing the names.
I only engage in discussions with serious people.
Goodbye (I don't need to tell you that I won't read your posts. You already know.
lovewins: This is where you are wrong. Players at some point come to that realization. At the beginning of their career every player thinks they are the best in the world. However few years into it every player can tell you at what level they play even if they publicly feign ignorance.
And yes players can lobby to go to events as bench players just for the monetary incentive attached. This is Africa where there is extreme poverty and people do literally anything for money. How is this inconceivable to you?
I am not wrong at all. In fact, what I said is the norm. If a player believes that he or she is no longer good, then they'll retire.
But if a player is in the Russian league and scoring goals and getting acclaim there, then they'll believe that they are the best in the world. Perceptions differ and are not always accurate.
That's why people always argue about awards, because people have different perceptions and each person believes that their own perception is correct and others are wrong. You see a player arguing that they should have won an award and you wonder how, but they truly believe it.
Players that have reached national team level, played in clubs all over the world, etc lobby to go to global events for the glory. They won't if they are not good enough because the embarrasment would affect not just their ego, but their future prospects. Only upcomers and unknowns lobby for the money and that's not what we are talking about here (besides, experienced players know that they often get owed and that there is stress attached to national team football).
lovewins: Did I at any time mention bribery? I don't believe I did, but just in case I did let me correct that. I believe I used the word influence. I can't prove bribery even though I'm not necessarily ruling it out.
Shaming players doesn't necessarily translate in players being left out, but it will.be on record they were to some extent held accountable. When we recall events like this historically it will be on record how certain people got their way. Players are free to be shameless but fans shouldn't also be told not to shame which is the point.
1) That also depends on what you mean by "shaming". Obviously people have freedom of speech and nobody can take that away, but there are limits to freedom of speech.
2) History will easily forget the shaming. It happens all the time. Jay Jay Okocha, Nwankwo Kanu, etc. there are many players that Nigerians tried to shame, but nobody remembers that any more.
No player believes that he or she is not good enough. I can see that the player is not good enough, you can see that the player is not good enough, but the player will believe that he or she is good enough.
No player lobbies to go to the World Cup or Olympics to go and disgrace himself or herself. The player believes that he or she is good enough to give the best.
It is up to coaches and officials to see that the player is not good enough and to say no.
lovewins: Your argument is still flawed. It is like saying someone KNOWINGLY enjoying the proceed of corruption isn't liable in the court of law. Let's even remotely assume that Ordega isn't an active participant in this (which obviously isn't the case), don't players like this have a responsibility to refuse invitations they know came by shady means? Will the official in question go to great lengths to include Ordega without her consent? I don't disagree with holding officials accountable, but you seem to be totally absolving the players in question which is the problem for me.
Players are free to dream, but no sane person goes where they aren't wanted, except those who cheated others to get there.
1) You shaming the players achieves nothing. If you ask any footballer to choose between not being shamed and going to a global tournament, theu will take the shame every single day, so your shame will not stop any player from wanting to be in the team. Perfect example is Onome Ebi.
2) My dad was a sports administrator decades ago. I remember Green Eagles players coming to our house, but it's not about them coming to our house it's about what my dad would decide to do. I repeat, it is up to the officials.
3) It's not only in Nigeria, all over the world players will do anything to be in the team. In 1990 and 1994 it was the President of Cameroon that got Roger Milla into the team. I was angry in 1994. Cameroon had better and younger players. Jean Claude Pagal slapped the coach on the training ground when he told him that he was not going to make the team (because the President of Cameroon wanted the older and famous players). Remember Romario wanting to be in the 2002 squad and Baggio also?
It is up to the officials. No player can pick his or herself. Even your claim of bribery is just a claim, no concrete proof. Players will put pressure on officials and coaches to be picked. Coaches can do like Thomas Dennerby and quit, officials can go to their superiors and the media to complain. There are manu things that they can do, but no player picks the team. The one who picks the team is the one who decides, who is at fault and who is to blame. He is the one that you can influence through political pressure and he is the one that has the most to lose
lovewins: naptu2, do you now understand my reason why I said we need to shame players like this? You remember when we had that conversation and I said what obtains in the west doesn't necessarily apply here. Players like Ordega use their influence to get themselves forcefully into the team at the expense of younger ones. You were arguing that it was the responsibility of the coach to not invite them and I argued it was beyond him. Didn't have conclusive evidence at the time, but now with this reporting it put things in clearer perspective.
Players like Ordega should be shamed (even though they are shameless). She forcefully got herself into the World cup team and is doing exactly the same now. You don't treat people like that with kids glove, you shame them.
I repeat, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE PLAYER A player cannot pick him or herself into the team. It is about the officials. The argument then was about Onome Ebi. We all saw that Onome still wanted to be in the team, but she was no longer selected, why? Because the officials did not select her.
Every player can dream, hope, pressure, etc. That's normal, but it is not their duty to select the team. If you read the article I posted, you will see that they did not put the blame on Ordega, but on the madam that included her. Why? Because it is the fault of that madam.
I repeat, shaming the player does nothing. Did it stop Onome Ebi from wanting to be in the team? No. But the officials stopped her. Why? Because it is the officials that are responsible for selecting the team, not the players
I still remember this argument when I said players were being forced on Randy and Basco especially insisted that wasn't the case. Now 2 news report in 24 hours has vindicated me. There's now reportage that this happened at the last world cup too. Hope you at least acknowledge it this time.
I never argued anything about players being forced on the coach. My argument was that if you feel that any player should not be in the team, then you should hold the coach, the FA and the authorities responsible for it. Every player has the right to dream and want to be in a team, but it us up to the aithorities to make the decision, not the player.
That is and has always been the case and is still the case.
Olympics: Controversy as officials ‘force’ Ordega on Falcons coach
30th June 2024 By Tana Aiyejina
There’s a potential cold war brewing in the Super Falcons following allegations that two top officials of the Nigeria Football Federation were working to impose veteran forward Francisca Ordega on coach Randy Waldrum ahead of the women’s football event of the Paris 2024 Olympic Games, SUNDAY PUNCH reports.
The 12-nation women’s football event in Paris gets underway July 25 with several of the teams already releasing their final 28-player squads and alternate players.
CSKA Moscow forward Ordega, is being forced on the American gaffer because of her close ties to the NFF officials, our correspondent learnt.
According to our sources, Ordega, 30, has not featured for the Falcons since she posted a below par performance at last year’s Women’s World Cup in Australia and New Zealand.
A federation official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak on the matter, said several of the young players in the team, who fear they could be sacrificed for the ageing player, are aggrieved.
“A certain madam from the competitions department and another top official on the technical department are trying to impose Ordega on the list for the Olympics. A section of the players are not happy because this same player was imposed on the team at last year’s Women’s World Cup.
“They’ve been breathing down Waldrum’s neck trying to force the man to include Ordega,” our source said.
“Two officials, a male and female, are insisting that she be named in the squad for the trip to Paris.”
Tournament organisers allow for an additional four alternate players to the stipulated 18-woman squad, and why the likes of Australia (22 players), Japan (21 players), USA (21 players) have taken advantage of the rule by inviting more players to their squads, it was learnt that Waldrum was directed by top officials of the federation not to add four alternate players to his squad.
The officials, according to our sources, claimed the federation was cash strapped and couldn’t accommodate more players for the trip to Paris.
However, in a bid to ensure that the player makes the team, officials made a U-Turn and allegedly sent an alternate list to the organisers, which included Ordega’s name on the list, without Waldrum’s knowledge.
“They did four alternate players because they want to include Ordega in the team, after initially insisting that the coach shouldn’t add more players due to lack of funds.
“Now, they want to see how they’ll force Waldrum to drop a player from the original 18 players to accommodate her,” our source added.
It was learnt that Waldrum insisted on having a home-based goalkeeper in the alternate list, in case the two keeper’s in the 18-woman list had issues, but Morufat Ademola, the Rivers Angels keeper, Waldrum’s preferred choice, was eventually dropped.
The federation’s General Secretary Dr Mohammed Sanusi said he couldn’t speak on the matter during a telephone chat with our correspondent on Saturday.
“I’m not a coach,so I can’t speak on that,” he said.
The Falcons are drawn in a difficult Group C that also has world champions Spain, former world champions Japan and South American champions Brazil at the Paris Games.They open their campaign July 25 against Brazil in Bordeaux.
The Falcons are not new to controversies before, during and after major tournaments.
The players threatened to boycott the last tournament over unpaid wages.
Twenty years ago, the record African champions refused to travel back home after winning the 2004 WAFCON in South Africa, insisting they were paid their bonuses before boarding their flight.
In 2016, after returning from Cameroon with an eighth WAFCON trophy, the players also staged a sit-in protest at their Abuja hotel to press home their claims for each player to be paid $16,500 after their triumph.
At the Council Chambers, Sir Kashim Ibrahim (Government) House, Kaduna. May 28, 2023.
My advice to all of us is that, when we were in FCT with Mallam, I remember when he was leaving, 2007, he gathered all of us, just like we are talking to each other right now.
Unfortunately, few months after, things changed completely. Some people there, we thought that they were our friends, conspired to make sure that they sent him out of the government, not only the government, out of the country, through blackmail, witch-hunt and persecution.
Unfortunately they were almost succeeding because they have to conspire with the people that were working with us at that time, our so-called friends, those that Mallam got them appointed, not in FCT, but even within the Presidency.
So that is why sometimes I am not always excited when I happen to find myself. . .because Mallam’s destiny, I kept telling him, he is someone that has a very complicated destiny, helping everyone, but sometimes people abandon him.
And that is the reason why, I keep telling them. . .whenever I find myself addressing the public, I kept telling them, look, please, we have to understand that Mallam is someone. . .I have never sat with him for a day since I have met him, looking for a way to buy a car or a house for himself or his family, but doing for every other person, that’s why the other day I was telling him, he is generous to everyone, but not to himself and I always pray and I want all of us to pray that all of us that have worked with Mallam, benefited from him, we should remain faithful to him (the audience shouts “Amen” ), remain loyal to him (the audience applauds) and to always try to protect him because we know the truth, we know who he is. Nobody else can tell the story except those that work with him. That is my advice.
Lastly, I can say that I am a very lucky person because, although Mallam kept saying that he is not going to come to Kaduna, he is not. . .that’s why I gave an example of my investment in Dubai, why I forced him to go and borrow money, I know that in my mind I will force him to come and help me because Mallam more than any one, more than anyone, in this country not in Kaduna State, wants me to succeed more than anyone and if anyone thinks he loves me or wants me to succeed more than Mallam, the person is just a joker. That is just the fact.
Finally, I thank you very much and I wish you good luck. Thank you very much.
A very productive meeting with Professor Benedict Okey Oramah, President of @afreximbank and his team. With the signing of an MOU between @WTO and @afreximbank. Looking forward to producing results from our collaboration on Trade Finance and our support for the Cotton 4+ countries. Appreciate @afreximbank’s role as a financial partner in trying to establish and scale up the cotton value chain in Africa.
Every reunion with my sister @NOIweala, Director-General of @WTO, is an opportunity to renew our shared commitment to "rebuilding trust in the power of collective action to eradicate poverty, inequality and exclusion."
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