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First, the reason they don't understand what Jesus was relaxing to them was because of their heart

Matt.13.15 [b]For this people's heart is waxed gross, [/b]and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (KJV)

Kobojunkie:
What He said is written right there in the Gospels, is it not? You can read using the basic language comprehension skills you have, which I have mentioned several times now, and hear what He has to say and do as He says.

And so, when someone says they want to read the word of God and get interpretation through the Holy Spirit, the person is wrong?

What of the part that says, "The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth understanding"

So, how do you personally know what he has said

NATUREOFPOETRY:
Hmmm... So he never asked me to meditate His word?

Hmmm... So he never asked me to meditate His word?

Kobojunkie:
Mark 4 vs 24, yu quoted it yourself!

He told you that you hear Him and you do what you heard Him say.

But so far, it seems you care little for what He says or commands as you mind is set on doing instead that which He never asked you to do.

I will hang my boot here

...and He shall guide you into all truth
...sanctify us with the truth, your word is truth.

But, I will still love you to answer one of the former questions.

How is the understanding of Christ, built?

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of God is only promised to those who through continual submission to and obedience of the commandments and teachings of Jesus Christ, have been able to free themselves from bondage to sin and become Sons of God - John 8 vs 32 - 44

He is the Holy Spirit of God and so He can only dwell in vessels which are Holy and acceptable to God Himself. And if you are unwilling to trust and obey Jesus Christ in that which He commands, what makes you think you will ever get to where you can have God Himself as your very own Teacher and counselor?

Kobojunkie:
Did you even bother reading so you comprehend what was said to you?

How can saying
be taken to mean the one who asks does not believe in the Spirit of inspiration?

I recall asking you earlier how long you have been doing this your Bible study.

If everything needs to depend on is his understanding, then why the promise of the Holy Spirit

John.14.26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. (NIV)

NATUREOFPOETRY:
The Holy Spirit hasn't stopped inspiring people just like he did with the men of old that wrote the Bible.
Let's come together and share the inspiration of the Holy Spirit on the word of God, hence, growing together.

Drop your number and name and let me add us to a just created whatsapp group for Biblical study.

I guess you should read that again

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Kobojunkie:
How exactly do you intend for the Holy Spirit to inspire you in this endeavor when Jesus Christ said all you need do is use the understanding you have in order to obtain more?


This is the same lesson from the parable of the 10 talents which teaches that those who use what they have will be given more but those who don't will have even that which they previously had taken from them. - Matthew 25 vs 14 - 30

You will not learn the Truth of God through your Bible studies... no, you can only learn His Truth by putting to use the understanding you have through continual submission to and obedience of His very teachings and commandments.

You can check the conversation from the beginning

NATUREOFPOETRY:
You asked how the Holy Spirit was going to inspire... Then you went on to say studying and meditating wasnt necessary... Am I wrong?

You asked how the Holy Spirit was going to inspire... Then you went on to say studying and meditating wasnt necessary... Am I wrong?

Kobojunkie:
Where did I say this?

The main thing that sparked all this, is that, you don't believe in the fact that the Holy Spirit inspires, or as a Christian one that grow by studying the word, right?

Matt.28.19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (NIV)

Were they making disciples for themselves?

NATUREOFPOETRY:
Did the apostles say it to their own glorification

Did the apostles say it to their own glorification

Kobojunkie:
So, you want to ignore what Jesus Christ Himself said to you so you can follow instead what one of His apostles said to you?

You said Christ didn't ask us to follow his footsteps or that of his apostles.

We were to just obey him

Kobojunkie:
I am not sure what meaning you expect me to take from this.

To follow Jesus Christ, He told you that you do so by obeying commandments, so?

Footsteps of the apostles

1Cor.11.1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. (NIV)

NATUREOFPOETRY:
So, in your view, only Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, are the only part of the Bible that is valid to those obeying Him, right?

1 Peter 2:21 “For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:”

Matt.16.24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. (NIV)

Not following Christ footsteps

So, in short, you don't believe in the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

So, in your view, only Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, are the only part of the Bible that is valid to those obeying Him, right?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ told us that those who love Him are those who obey His commandments - John 14 vs 20 - 25
And He also declared that His friends are those who do what He says - John 15 vs 14

He never asked you to follow in His footsteps, let alone the footsteps of His apostles, so I am not sure where you get off trying to circumvent Jesus Christ, God's Truth , again, by suggesting what the apostles may have or not done.

You've been referring to those verses a lot, when they were simply God's commands to the Israelites not to forsake His ordinances

Kobojunkie:
Ignore it in what sense?

I acknowledge what it says...you,on the other hand,are attempting to use it to circumvent God's own decree there in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 , a very illogical act on your part as one who claims to trust God.

The law was formally written on a tablet, and God was assuring them on one that would be documented in their heart

Kobojunkie:
Ignore it in what sense?

I acknowledge what it says...you,on the other hand,are attempting to use it to circumvent God's own decree there in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 , a very illogical act on your part as one who claims to trust God.

Understanding alone is enough to start....

But the apostles continued in fellowship, in breaking of bread and in prayer. Why didnt leave the converts to grow based on their understanding?
Why did the Berea Christians do back to search the scriptures, when Paul's teaching already gave them basic understanding

Kobojunkie:
Like I explained earlier, by use of even basic human language comprehension skill which the average human being has quite a bit of...that understanding alone is more than enough to start you on your journey to acquiring more through obedience of Jesus Christ's command there.

Mark.4.24 And He said to them, Be careful what you are hearing. The measure [of thought and study] you give [to the truth you hear] will be the measure [of virtue and knowledge] that comes back to you - and more [besides] will be given to you who hear. (AMP)

But, then you ignore 2 Tim 3:15

Kobojunkie:
You can read the Bible....but study, in the way you described, is meaningless... as Jesus Christ made it clear that the only way to receive understanding from Him is to use the understanding you previously had.

Then how was the understanding gotten?

Kobojunkie:
You can read the Bible....but study, in the way you described, is meaningless... as Jesus Christ made it clear that the only way to receive understanding from Him is to use the understanding you previously had.

Read that chapter to the end. Those the promise seem like what will happen in this present corrupt world?
Part of it has been fulfilled. The rest is left till when Jesus will appear in his glory

Kobojunkie:
God's New Covenant is the same plan with which He blessed the people of all nations with - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

Gal.3.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (NIV)

Kobojunkie:
Again, Deuteronomy 30 vs 20 is instruction given by God to those who are of the blood of Jacob, of which you are not.

So therefore, we are just called to just live by it and not study nor meditate on it?

Kobojunkie:
"It is finished" meant the conclusion of the New Covenant agreement which God promised to bring to the World - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34 , God's Law which you and I are called to live by - in continual submission and obedience to.

If all the details were given while Jesus was on earth, then what's the need of the Holy Spirit? Why was the book of Revelation written?
Were the apostles still supposed to be having revelations of the scriptures?

NATUREOFPOETRY:
It is finished never meant all revelations were over. The apostles were still having revelations that confirmed everything Christ told them.

Heb.1.3 - The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Heb.1.4 - So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
Heb.1.5 - For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father "? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?

For the Jews, God had a promise to fulfil to them. While that was on, God also had a plan for the world.

John.3.16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (NIV)

NATUREOFPOETRY:
To your own interpretation, how does 2Tim 3:16 paint God at that?