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MuttleyLaff:
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What a load of rubbish
Put radioactive waste trash where it belongs

Ah ah! You couldn't provide answer to my last question, and now you have gone on a road rage, trying to destroy everything on you see See how realization of truth is pissing you off?? You have no scripture to show......not even one where God specifically mentioned the word TITHING among what he wants us to stop doing, yet you hold on so desperately to that idea?? I hope you will soon realise what I've been saying all along that your problem is GREED!

MuttleyLaff:
If you are not infoxicated, you would have seen that I have already answered your question and done more

You find reading information and gaining knowledge from it, a challenging thing for you to do.
Your concentration level and attention to truthful points or details is abysmal.

I have answered your question,
so please stop behaving like a prat or a laughing hyena, go ahead answering the questions
and stop keeping people waiting for your responses

Stop dodging the question oga. Your heavy grammar will not save you today. In case you did not understand my question, i will ask it again, but this time in bold prints;

I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS WHERE YOU SAID GOD WAS ABOLISHING IT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, AND THE WORD TITHE MUST BE MENTIONED IN THAT SCRIPTURE YOU ARE QUOTING TO SHOW GOD WAS REFERRING TO IT

I am waiting for your answer

MuttleyLaff:
SMH, I have just realised you are more confused than a chameleon trapped in a box of skittles
Was God in the beginning, in support of tithing, in the Eden?

I am sorry to say alBHAGDADI, but there is an awful lot of empty rhetorics written in your post and others similar to yours
and I believe the reason is due to the poor understanding of the meaning ""no one knew Melchizedek birth or death"
All due to poor understanding of why it was Melchizedek, Abraham opted to give the spoils of war tithe to
Poor understanding of the customary law behind the tithe Abraham gave
Poor understanding of the circumstances of how the Levi got given the office of the priesthood
Plenty and lots of poor understandings, there are too much to continue mentioning

There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes,
your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings,
and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks.
- Deuteronomy 12:6

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
- Malachi 3:8

Of course, tithing is not offering, if it was offering, like you mistakenly assume it to be,
then there wont be a distinction between tithes and offerings, as being shown in Deuteronomy 12:6 and Malachi 3:8 above

The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, to tithe
and so when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility to tithe, is no longer required or needed
It was under that present circumstances alBHAGDADI, that Jesus says to tithe, and not the thereafter

alBHAGDADI, the only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) alBHAGDADI are given
1) at pagan temples to priest(s) (note alBHAGDADI extra biblical references will be provided upon request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note alBHAGDADI bible references will be provided upon request)
3) to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

This is breaking it further down for easier understanding alBHAGDADI:
1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing,
as a form of contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means

In fact, the tithing subtle difference, is that it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably
So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means,
I technically have given a tithe,
Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving
but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing
because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
(i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the ammount or percentage, you willingly decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

alBHAGDADI, correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

Go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9 alBHAGDADI
God is doing a full circle with this

Bravo! Encore!! You could see I am impressed
reading you scoring multiple own goals all over your post and elsewhere on this thread. Bwahahaha ha.

alBHAGDADI now jokes apart
Look, here is a chance after you've finished reading ALL I've posted up here, to redeem your image and self
1/ Why alBHAGDADI, did Abram had to tithe, because it certainly was not because he was asked by God to?
2/ Why did Jacob vow to give tithe to God when he said "I will surely give You a tenth."?
3/ Why alBHAGDADI, was it that, it was after 400 years plus of Jacob's vow, that God had the temerity to demand tithe from Israel?
4/ Now alBHAGDADI, don't believe the sold lie that Jacob tithed,
but if you do and are a victim of that deception
please tell how, where, why, how and whom Jacob could have possibly tithed?
5/ Following on with #1 above, what's the significant reason why it's Melchizedek who was Abraham's preferred choice to hand over tithe to?
6/ What would you accept and agree as the common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Levitical tithing) is?

Let me see how you react and respond to the above simple six questions
cc Mobilia, nelsonoba, OkCornel, openmine

I am not answering your questions until you provide answer to my initial question, which I am going to ask you again. And i need a chapter and verse, where God mentioned tithing as one of the things to be done away with. If you can't provide an exact chapter and verse mentioning TITHING as something to be done away with, then you need to step aside let the TITHE MOVEMENT MARCH FORWARD OR YOU MAY BE TRAMPLED ON THE GROUND IF YOU DECIDE TO KEEP BLOCKING OUR WAY, because Jesus said 'I will build my church and the gates of hell (you can include Daddy Freeze's name here if you wish) shall not prevail'.

QUESTION AGAIN: I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS

alBHAGDADI:
Let me add one more

How can Jesus be supporting the entire law of Moses, yet he kicked against an eye for an eye by saying we shouldn't in the other cheek?

Bros, these guys have run out of excuses. they are now confusing themselves with their own theologies and desperately looking for anything to say, even if it doesn't make sense. They think it's by shouting, and that who shouts loudest and speaks biggest grammar IS RIGHT even if the person is talking OP

OkCornel:
Look closely at Matthew 23 v 23; Jesus was not just upholding tithe.

1) He was supporting the entire laws of Moses...
2) He was upholding tithing as it should be done in line with the Mosaic Laws (Farm produce & Livestock). Look closely, Jesus mentioned mint, dill and cumin.... and not "currency"

No! That's a lie. Jesus never supported the entire laws of Moses. Stop lying! Jesus is not confused like You! He cannot support the entire laws of Moses in one place and change his opinion the next day and start saying that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath when he was accused of breaking the law of the Sabbath.

Jesus cannot be supporting the entire laws of Moses in one place and the next day start telling the JEWS that there is nothing wrong with eating without WASHING one's hands as his disciples were accused of breaking the law of Moses by eating without WASHING THEIR HANDS first.

Jesus was clear on separating TITHING from the laws of Moses and upholding it in Matthew 23:23. Just see how desperate you are to find a loophole in God's word so you will not pay tithe

OkCornel:
@nelsonoba, please answer these questions

We can clearly establish murder was a sin before the Mosaic Law...
1) Abram lived before the era of the Law, what sin would Abram be committing against God if he did not tithe?

2) Please can you show us the exact scripture where God asked for money as part of the items to be tithed?

Your problem is that you don't know the meaning of the word "money". You are confusing currency with money. To educate you a bit; ALL CURRENCY IS MONEY, BUT NOT ALL MONEY IS CURRENCY. Go and do your proper research on the difference between the two of them before coming to display your gross ignorance. To a farmer, AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE IS MONEY!


Then also, you ask what sin Abraham would have been committing by not paying TITHE? Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING? Was it Lucifer? Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?

OkCornel:
1) God never gave anyone specific instructions to tithe before the Law. Abram tithed out of the spoils of war as the custom of those days demanded.

2) Tithing (agricultural produce and livestock grown in Israel - the promised land) only became mandatory for the Jews under the Mosaic Law. This never applied to non-Jews (i.e gentiles).

3) After Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law and ushered in a new covenant (open to both the Jews and Gentiles), freewill giving was the standard in place. Jesus clearly mentioned in Matthew 25 v 31-40 that the only time He considered people gave to Him (Jesus), was when people gave to the sick, hungry and needy. The Apostles carried on with this legacy in the early church (which you erroneously called "100 tithe" ) in the book of Acts, and with further details in the book of Timothy.




Please can you show us where "God mentioned clearly" that these instructions in the Law were abolished;

1) Wearing clothes sewn with mixed materials
2) Not shaving your beards
3) Keeping tassels at the corners of your garments

What could be the reason for supporting tithing which was mandatory under the Mosaic Law, but disregarding these instructions?

I will start by answering your last set of questions before the first ones;

Go and read

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



Colossians 2:20-23 Let no man therefore judge
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.



ALL OF THOSE THINGS YOU LISTED IN YOUR QUESTION ARE DOCTRINES/ORDINANCES OF MAN IN THE LAW. THEY ARE NOT INCLUSIVE IN THE MORAL LAWS OF GOD. THAT IS WHY JESUS COULD REBUKE THE PHARISEES FOR ACCUSING HIS DISCIPLES OF EATING WITHOUT WASHING THEIR HANDS AS THAT WAS CONTRARY TO THE LAWS OF MOSES, BUT WHEN IT CAME TO THE ISSUE OF TITHE, JESUS UPHELD IT!

THAT IS WHY JESUS COULD REBUKE THE PHARISEES FOR ACCUSING HIM OF WORKING ON THE SABBATH DAY CONTRARY TO THE MOSAIC LAW, BUT THE SAME JESUS STILL UPHELD TITHING.

THAT IS WHY JESUS COULD REBUKE THE JEWS FOR TRYING TO STONE A WOMAN CAUGHT IN ADULTERY AS THE MOSAIC LAW DEMANDED, INSTEAD OFFERING THE WOMAN MERCY, BUT THIS SAME JESUS UPHELD TITHING.

THAT IS WHY JESUS COULD CHANGE THE MOSAIC LAW THAT SAID "AN EYE FOR AN EYE, A TOOTH FOR TOOTH", AND INSTEAD SAID "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU", BUT THIS SAME JESUS UPHELD TITHING.

BY NOW, IT MUST HAVE DAWNED ON YOU IF ONLY YOU DECIDE TO REASON AND KEEP GREED ASIDE, THAT JESUS WOULD HAVE CLEARLY SAID "TITHING IS NO LONGER IMPORTANT" IN MATTHEW 23:23 INSTEAD OF SAYING "...THAT YOU OUGHT TO DO"!

WITH ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES JESUS HAD TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCES OF MEN WITHIN THE LAW, HE WOULD EASILY HAVE ADDRESSED TITHING DIFFERENTLY IF HE WANTED TO ABOLISH TITHING.

OkCornel:
Murder was a sin even before the 10 commandments were given to Moses.

Long before the 10 commandments were given ... Cain murdered Abel, and knew he sinned against God by doing so...

Unless you're implying murder was not a sin prior to when the 10 commandments were given

Ok....we're getting closer


So, if murder was a sin before the law and still a sin after the 'the ten commandments have been abolished ' according to You, THEN HOW COME TITHING WAS ALREADY BEING PRACTICED BEFORE THE LAW, AND NOW IT HAS SUDDENLY JOINED THE LIST OF WHAT WAS ABOLISHED EVEN WHEN THERE IS NO SINGLE VERSE IN SCRIPTURE WHERE GOD MENTIONED TITHING AS WRONG OR TO BE ABOLISHED JUST AS GOD MENTIONED IT CLEARLY THAT WE SHOULD NO LONGER CALL ANY FOOD UNCLEAN WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING TO PETER IN THE BOOK OF ACTS

MuttleyLaff:
Murder is still a sin today even after the law has been abolished and nailed to the cross because it remains a sin under a superior, better and more powerful law.

You cant be abiding by this law and be committing murder.

I will continue to inform you that according to the bible, you are a bonafide confirmed and certified SLAVE for participating in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving.

Yes indeed! I am a slave to righteousness as Apostle Paul spoke of in
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

I would advise you to read Romans 6:14-23 it will help you a lot.

I can now see that you have been lied to that you now believe there is a new "more powerful law that excludes tithing". Pls I ask you again; who did the separation of these laws and where in the bible did God mention that MURDER IS INCLUDED IN THIS NEW MORE POWERFUL LAW, BUT TITHING IS EXCLUDED?? I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS

MuttleyLaff:
OK, I understand now what the problem is with you
and so I will lower the bar, just for you.

nelsonoba, it is because the Bible in the original text used the word murder in the 10 commandments and not the word kill.

There is a difference between kill and murder which you don't seem to be aware of or don't seem to be able to tell them apart.

You are only going to be showing yourself up and publicly displaying your ignorance on this path you are towing.
Just quit whilst ahead and without further showing your cluelessness

No problem, let's keep the bar on the floor level so you understand my question when I ask it again;

MURDER WAS A SIN ACCORDING TO THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, SO WHY IS MURDER STILL A SIN TODAY EVEN AFTER "THE LAW HAS BEEN ABOLISHED"?

MuttleyLaff:
You are lightweight, you are a poor excuse for a learner

Look at you, you lie like a cheap Persian throw rug, saying that I refused to answer the question with a very categorical YES or NO
Do you need to visit specsavers?

I am pleased anyway, even if you havent learned anything at all,
at least you've had the sense and learned to change from using "kill" to using "murder"
You can send me a thank you card in the post for that free education on the distinction between "kill" and "murder"

"Yes, nelsonoba, it is kill but it is not murder though. Facepalm. SMH." ..........does that answer sound very categorical to you? Why is a simple question requiring yes or no taking a whole sentence to answer?

MuttleyLaff:
nelsonoba,
1/ Yes the 10 commandments are nailed on to the cross.
It is sin for you to take a gun and kill me without justification because you would be missing God's mark in doing that
2/ Grace permits you to obey the law of liberty

nelsonoba, would you sincerely say there is nothing wrong with how tithing is instituted?

Oga, why are you confusing yourself na?? So it is still a sin to commit murder or adultery? But....but....they are supposed to have been done away with since Jesus nailed the 10 commandments on to the cross? OR DID THE ROMAN SOLDIERS NOT NAIL SOME OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS PROPERLY, AND THEY FELL OFF FROM THE CROSS??

Jesus nailed the 10 commandments to the cross, yet Galatians 5:19 - 21 written by Apostle Paul (The number 1 teacher of grace) says

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



LET ME HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE WHO FALSELY BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE JESUS BROUGHT GRACE, THEREFORE WE NO LONGER NEED WORKS, AND A CHRISTIAN CAN NOW LIVE ANYHOW WITHOUT REGARD TO WHAT WAS IN THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. GO AND READ JAMES 2:20-26

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.



ANY PASTOR THAT TELLS YOU THAT JESUS ONLY BROUGHT GRACE, AND AS SUCH THERE IS NO LONGER ANY NEED FOR WORKS HAS LIED TO YOU. GO AND READ JOHN 1:17 "For the law was given by Moses, but GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ."...............GRACE and TRUTH, not only Grace!

THE BIBLE ONLY TEACHES THAT NO MAN CAN BE SAVED BY OBEYING THE LAW ALONE! IT NEVER TEACHES THAT WHEN A MAN HAS BEEN SAVED BY GRACE, HE NO LONGER NEEDS TO OBEY THE LAWS OF GOD. AS A MATTER OF FACT, GRACE EMPOWERS YOU TO BE ABLE TO OBEY THE LAWS OF GOD.

MuttleyLaff:
Dont you think it is time to drop all these your sentimental nonsenses and excuses

I dont have an opinion, I am, unlike you, not nursing an opinion in this matter

nelsonoba, do you know what your problem is?
Your problem nelsonoba, is, you don't know the difference between fact and opinion.

I wish I had an opinion on tithing but it will be useless and senseless
It will be an opinion that won't affect the truth and reality nor change facts about tithing

1/ Which tithe did God command?
2/ Why, when and where did God command tithe?
3/ Which tithing are you following and/or adhering to
Is it the Abraham type of tithing or the Levitical commanded type of tithing?
4/ Are you not aware that Jesus Himself, whom you admitted brought grace and upheld tithing in Matthew 23:23,
in reality, only supported tithing in Matthew 23:23, under that different arrangement and only in that dispensation?
5/ Are you not aware that, Matthew 23:23 bar important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness, is now just water under the bridge?

This is one of the most ignorant statement a person can make that I've so far read on the Religion forum.
Yes, nelsonoba, it is kill but it is not murder though. Facepalm. SMH.

Why better, dont you get your facts right before displaying your crass assumptions and colossal ignorances here
Have you at all, heard of keeping the royal law according to the Scripture?

Well guess what.
By the time, you've had enough here, do you know what ,apart from learning, you'll be getting on this thread?
If you dont run away, it’s called getting an education, getting education in a compelling way

alBHAGDADI, according to the bible, because of your obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving, you are a bonafide and certified SLAVE

alBHAGDADI, knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave
There is no way you can master your future, if you're still a slave to the past and trudging down on an old way

1) You don't know where God commanded tithing in old testament
2) You have not read where God commanded tithing in Malachi 3:10
3) You don't know where Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek (King of Salem & Prince of Righteousness according Hebrews 7)
4) You believe Jesus only upheld tithing in "that dispensation", and afterwards discarded it (without telling us the exact place God mentioned that tithe was discarded)
5) You believe tithing IS OF THE LAW AND AS SUCH SHOULD BE ABOLISHED WITH THE LAW, but you refuse to agree that Tithing had been in existence long before the law (as shown by Abraham and his descendants paying tithes)
6) You have not read Hebrews 7:1-8 where in verse 8, Apostle Paul said "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth"
7) You refused to answer the question with a very categorical YES or NO if breaking the commandment on Murder and stealing are sins, or they are no longer sin since the law has been abolished

SO TELL ME; WHY SHOULD I NOT BELIEVE YOU HAVE AN UNREPENTANT AND UNHEALTHY OPINION ON TITHE?? WHY SHOULD I CARRY ON THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU, WHEN YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTIONS?

MuttleyLaff:
nelsonoba,
1/ Yes the 10 commandments are nailed on to the cross.
It is sin for you to take a gun and kill me without justification because you would be missing God's mark in doing that
2/ Grace permits you to obey the law of liberty

nelsonoba, would you sincerely say there is nothing wrong with how tithing is instituted?

You are not God, so your opinion on tithing does not matter. If God the creator commands tithes to be paid, then it is right to do it. If Jesus himself who brought grace upheld tithing in Matthew 23:23, then it is right to do so.

You have succeeded in shooting yourself on the foot by claiming the 10 commandments were abolished and still telling me it is a sin if I kill you without justification. Before nko? When God commanded us not to kill in the 10 commandments, was he referring to killing with justification?? If God was referring to killing with justification, then why would The same God call David a man after his heart? And we all know David was a soldier......what is the job of soldiers? Is it not to kill

So if I steal all your money too, you should not be angry because it's no longer a sin since according to You, THE 10 COMMANDMENTS HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED WITH THE LAW

OkCornel:
You are contradicting yourself. How did Cain know he committed a sin by killing Abel...even when he was not under the Law?
Was there anything like the 10 commandment in Cain's lifetime?

Bros you have not answered my 2 questions. Stop dodging them. They are straight forward "yes" or "no" questions. When you have answered them, then we can proceed from there. Until then, I go siddon dey look you

kotaru:
Acts 15:1-32, The Law and all its Legalistic ordianances (Like compulsory Tithe) are not for Gentile Christians (or Christians in general), but for the Children of Israel.

I ask you again;

1)DID JESUS ABOLISH THE 10 commandments? If yes, Does that mean it is no longer a sin if i take a gun and kill you?

2) Have you read Galatians 5:16 - 21?? If you have, why did Apostle Paul say that those who do those things he listed as the works of the flesh WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? Do you now understand Grace more than Apostle Paul that God used to reveal the gospel of grace to us?


I NEED YOUR ANSWERS ON THESE TWO QUESTIONS

openmine:
Romans 13:8-10
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


Galatians 3:19-26

19 Now you’re asking yourselves, “So why did God give us the law?” God commanded His heavenly messengers to deliver it into the hand of a mediator for this reason: to help us rein in our sins until the Offspring, about whom the promise was made in the first place, would come. 20 A mediator represents more than one, but God is only one. 21 “So,” you ask, “does the law contradict God’s promise?” Absolutely not! Never was there written a law that could lead to resurrection and life; if there had been, then surely we could have experienced saving righteousness through keeping the law. But we haven’t. 22 Scripture has subjected the whole world to sin’s power so that the faithful obedience of Jesus the Anointed might extend God’s promises to everyone who has faith. 23 Before faith came on the scene, the law did its best to keep us in line, restraining us until the faith that was to come was fully revealed. 24 So then, the law was like a tutor, assigned to train us and point us to the Anointed, so that we will be acquitted of all wrong and made right by faith. 25 But now that true faith has come, we have no need for a tutor. 26 It is your faith in the Anointed Jesus that makes all of you children of God 


Ephesians 2:11-19
11 So never forget how you used to be. Those of you born as outsiders to Israel were outcasts, branded “the uncircumcised” by those who bore the sign of the covenant in their flesh, a sign made with human hands. 12 You had absolutely no connection to the Anointed; you were strangers, separated from God’s people. You were aliens to the covenant they had with God; you were hopelessly stranded without God in a fractured world. 13 But now, because of Jesus the Anointed and His sacrifice, all of that has changed. God gathered you who were so far away and brought you near to Him by the royal blood of the Anointed, our Liberating King.

14 He is the embodiment of our peace, sent once and for all to take down the great barrier of hatred and hostility that has divided us so that we can be one. 15 He offered His body on the sacrificial altar to bring an end to the law’s ordinances and dictations that separated Jews from the outside nations. His desire was to create in His body one new humanity from the two opposing groups, thus creating peace. 16 Effectively the cross becomes God’s means to kill off the hostility once and for all so that He is able to reconcile them both to God in this one new body.

17 The Great Preacher of peace and love came for you, and His voice found those of you who were near and those who were far away. 18 By Him both have access to the Father in one Spirit. 19 And so you are no longer called outcasts and wanderers but citizens with God’s people, members of God’s holy family, and residents of His household.



Hebrews 7:11-12
11 If a perfect method of reconciling with God—a perfect priesthood—had been found in the sons of Levi (a priesthood that communicated God’s law to the people), then why would the Scripturesspeak of another priest, a priest according to the order of Melchizedek, instead of, say, from the order of Aaron? What would be the need for it? It would reflect a new way of relating to God 12 because when there is a change in the priesthood there must be a corresponding change in the law as well.


Hebrews 7:18-21
18 Because the earlier commandment was weak and did not reconcile us to God effectively, it was set aside— 19 after all, the law could not make anyone or anything perfect. God has now introduced a new and better hope, through which we may draw near to Him, 20 and confirmed it by swearing to it. 21 The Levite order of priests took office without an oath, but this man Jesus became a priest through God’s oath:

The Eternal One has sworn an oath
    and cannot change His mind:
You are a priest forever.

Oga, you know both of us concluded our discussion yesterday because you are not interested in truth. You have made up your mind that you won't part with 10% of your money which you feel is too big for God. You are one of the kinds of 'christian' I fear to ever do business with, because a christian who sees 10% as too much to hand over to God that gave him the life he has MAY not think too much to defraud me of my 50% share from a business we do together, especially if he feels he can do it and get away with it somehow. I would rather do business with a total unbeliever who I know i have to watch with both eyes open until the business is concluded than do business with your type of greedy christian......except if i have no other choice at all.

OkaiCorne:
Are you aware Matthew 23 v 23 was referring to the Mosaic Law?


Does the Mosaic Law apply to Christians?

When Jesus said "if any man looks lustfully on a woman, he has already committed adultery with her", was that also referring to Mosaic law only?

When Jesus said "it is written thou shall not commit murder, but i say to you that any one who is angry with his brother without a reason has already committed murder", was that also referring to the Mosaic law only?

When Apostle Paul was writing in Hebrews 7:1 - 8, especially where he said "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth", Was that also referring only to the Mosaic Law? At the time Paul wrote, were we still under the Mosaic law? Go and study Hebrews 7 very well.

JESUS SAID "I DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW, BUT TO FULFIL IT".

The same Jesus that him and his disciples would sometimes not wash their hands before eating as was part of the ordinaces according to the Mosaic law, and the Pharisees would accost him to demand why they wouldn't wash their hands before eating, and Jesus would tell them that "it is what comes out of a man's heart that defiles him, and not what he eats".

FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT, GOD DID NOT ABOLISH HIS LAWS(Just as Jesus said he didn't come to do so). Jesus only took away the ORDINANCES WHICH FORMED TRADITIONS OF MEN THAT WERE AGAINST US, AND THE BIBLE IS CLEAR IN DEFINING WHAT TYPES OF ORDINANCES WITHIN THE LAW THAT WERE ABOLISHED......such as not eating some kind of foods etc. Tithe was never mentioned among them. Not one place in the bible from old to new testament was it mentioned that tithe has now been done away with. THE GIVER OF THE LAW HIMSELF UPHELD TITHE IN MATTHEW 23:23, SO DADDY FREEZE IS A NOBODY TO TELL ME OTHERWISE!

OkaiCorne:
So how did Joseph know that fornicating with Potiphar's wife is a sin against God?

How did Cain know he sinned against God by killing Abel?

How did they know when they were not under the Law too?

Because sin was already sin even before the law was given. THE LAW WAS ONLY GIVEN FOR MAN TO UNDERSTAND HOW SINFUL HE IS, SO THAT HE WOULD COME TO UNDERSTAND HIS NEED FOR A SAVIOUR. IF THE LAW WAS NOT GIVEN, MAN MAY NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD HIS GREAT NEED FOR A SAVIOUR. This is why the law had to be given before Jesus came. If Jesus had come before the law, man would not have appreciated the work of Christ as some of us now do.

When there is a law in place, it makes it easier for you to realise how well you are meeting up to expected standards or not. If there is no law, then two different people doing the exact same thing could judge themselves by different standards depending on how they feel.

openmine:
No pun intended but do you have an issue with your sight?
I showed you different translations from the bible to show that scripture was referring to Melchizedek and not CHRIST IN HEAVEN
and yet you ignorantly say i should show you?
Let me show others more translations since you don't want to learn!

Verse 8 (ERV)


Verse 8 (NCV)


Verse 8 (CJB)


Verse 8(VOICE)


Bro My generous giving is freewill and its none of your concern if i give more or less!
One thing is certain, tithe is a law that has been abolished like other laws of Moses!
Scriptures have proven it!
Start studying scriptures for yourself rather than lazily giving up that part for a pastor who may be limited in that aspect!

No problem. The law has been abolished. You are now free to commit murder and adultery as well because they are no longer sin from the day the law was abolished by you.

No need to argue with you again. The best I can do for you is to pray for your salvation so you can encounter Christ.

TATIME:
That event has NOTHING to do with tithing, in fact the early Christians learnt a terrible lesson in a bitter way with that arrangement!, they didn't pray for God's guidance before the commencement of that program. Act 4:32-37
Jesus has warned them that as long as Satan is still on the loose, there will always be poor Christians amongst them. Matthew 26:11,Mark 14:7,John 12:8.
They were trying to ERADICATE poverty amongst them. For example, imagine if all Nigerians (both home and abroad) should gather what we all had into one common purse and then share everything equally,do you think there will be a Nigerian that won't have up to 10M in his Bank account? Well that's exactly what the Apostles were trying to do! So that there won't be a Christian who could boast of being "DANGEROUSLY RICH" while many of his Christian brothers and sisters will be "INSANELY POOR".
The event has a tragic end when a Christian couple was killed by God's Angel for trying to deceive the congregation of God! Act 5:1-12

I have nothing to say to you because you are not interested in truth. You sound very much like Judas Iscariot who was angry that a woman bought an expensive perfume and brought it to anoint the feet of Jesus. Judas, it was recorded got angry and told Jesus that why did this woman waste such money rather than giving the money to help the poor. Jesus rebuked him and told him that "the poor you will always have with you".

We both know YOU DON'T LOVE THE POOR MORE THAN JESUS THAT REBUKED JUDAS FOR MAKING THAT STATEMENT.

WE ALSO KNOW WHO JUDAS WAS, AFTER ALL, HE WAS A GREEDY THIEF PRETENDING TO LOVE THE POOR!

openmine:
Bro it is what it is....the early believers GAVE FROM THEIR HEART AND MIND due to the love they had for those who are needy
Such was what Paul recommended for the Corinthians..
2 Corinthians 8:1-7


2 Corinthians 9:7


The idea was for Believers give WILLINGLY AND GENEROUSLY as much as 20% or 30% or even 5%....
However,the idea is to give from your heart and mind based on what you have decided and based on what you have and not what you don't have...
Like i have stated,clearly...tithe was a law and a Commandment as contained in the old covenant which was abolished...a better law of giving was ushered in by God(as written in Romans 13:8-10) which is to give with a heart of Love based on what you have as practiced by the believers in Acts 4!




Please can you honestly from the scriptures you outlined state where we are to pay tithes to pastors?
Can you also point where the receiving of a tenth of the plunder by Melchizedek now commands us to pay tithe to a pastor?
Bro i know you can read...i also know you can comprehend!
Please show me where its clearly stated in the scriptures that Paul asked all believers to tithe in Hebrews 7:1-10?





This is by far the worst of manipulations i have seen with tithers
Where was HEAVEN even written or even stated that it was Christ who received it in HEAVEN?
This is the height of deception!

Let me get you some translations of verse 8





The Melchizedek as stated in the bible had NO RECORD of HIS BEGINNING AND END!
It simply means he could have died,however...the scripture bears no record of such...
This doesn't imply that he is or was Christ! That's ridiculous!

The verse 8 states explicitly it was Melchizedek that was mentioned and not Jesus!
It was never stated in verse 8 that Jesus now receives it from HEAVEN!
Ohh God...stop allowing pastors to read bible for you!
This is the same issue martin luther king jr had with the catholic priests who they taught what was never in the bible!
Now you have you own bible and you cant see that verse 8 was referring to Melchizedek and not Jesus?


Lastly,have you accepted that Ananias and his wife was killed because they LIED and not because they kept some money for themselves?

Hebrews 7:8

Pls who is the person Apostle Paul talked about when he said here, "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth?
WHO IS THE PERSON PAUL SAID IT IS WITNESSED THAT HE LIVETH? If you cannot answer that question truthfully, then I have no business trying to carry on with this conversation because it is obvious you are arguing not because you want to know the truth but because you want to protect your greed that makes you feel 10% of your money is too much for God.

OkCornel:
Please what is the meaning of "100% tithe" ?

Was it mentioned anywhere that what Christians laid at the feet of the Apostles in the early church is "100% tithe" ?

What role does tithing play in the new covenant?

100% tithe is simply 100% of your earnings/profit. Those early Christians sold their land and possessions and came to drop ALL the proceeds at the feet of the Apostles. God's command was 10% tithe, but these people went the extra mile to give 100%.....just because they loved GOD.

You are asking me what role tithing plays in the new covenant? Why don't you ask me what role abstaining from adultery also plays in the new covenant? I would suggest you go and direct that question to Apostle Paul or to Jesus our high priest according to the order of Melchizedek, who receives the tithes in heaven according to Hebrews 7.

What did the Apostles use the tithes and money people dropped at their feet in Acts 4:31-37 to do??

Even your common sense should tell you that every institution requires a financial arm for its operations. Marriage institution requires finances to work. Government institutions require finances to work, hence the need for taxation. Terrorist organizations like Boko Haram require finances to operate. Even the church requires finances to run its operations too, AND THAT IS WHY THE DEVIL IS USING DADDY FREEZE AND HIS MINIONS TO ATTACK CHURCH FINANCES WITH FALSE DOCTRINES, BUT THAT WILL FAIL BECAUSE JESUS SAID "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL".

Maybe you expect genuine pastors to use PRAYER to be paying for church building or church rent or other church expenditures. And you expect church landlords to accept PRAYER as rent, shebi Or you expect the devil to bring those money to pay for church operations if they don't come from tithes and offerings, shebi

Smadeinc:
Lol
Woulda been less but glo did not agree, google is for lazy people...wish there was a way they can stop using google to get the answers,i for don win

But some of those "lazy people" are now smarter by using the "necessary resources" to win every time, while "hardworking people" are still struggling with 1.5G glo network......why don't you join these "smart lazy people" and win something for Christmas? After all it's not exam malpractice because I allow people to research and answer.

openmine:
Ohh gosh
seriously?
why did you forget the part where the apostles collected the money and GAVE TO THE NEEDY!
ACTS 4;34-35





ACTS 4:32-33

You can see clearly that the believers were neither forced or compelled to sell their land and give to the needy!
They were also of one heart and mind...in other words,they did so based on their OWN VOLITION and not our of a demand or instruction from the apostles!


Please stop being misled!
Let me get you the scriptures



Other translations of verse 4




All Ananias needed to do was tell Peter the truth that he kept some money for himself...however he lied that this was the entire 100%
and peter even made it clearer that the money was at Ananias disposal!
In other words,The money belonged to Ananias and he had the sole right to determine how much he wanted to give to the apostles!
This is contrary to your submissions where you erroneous concluded that Ananias died simply because they kept 50%!
They simply lied...That's all!

Please be mindful about what you say about God!
There is no part in that scripture that states them being killed God!
They all died out of the shock about how peter discovered that they kept some money!

Did anybody tell you before that the early Christians were forced to pay their 100% tithes that they were dropping at the feet of the Apostles?? Who ever said they were forced? They did it because they loved God with all their hearts and they saw no big deal giving all they had to God unlike you who because of greed can't even give God ordinary 10%.

Go back again to your Hebrews 7 and see what Apostle Paul said about tithes! Start from verse 1 again, and see where Paul said there had been a change of PRIESTHOOD from that of Levi as was known in the law to that of Christ which is after the order of Melchizedek! He went further to explain using the collection of tithe by Melchizedek, and how when we pay tithes, men receive it here, but it is also received by Christ our new priest up in heaven.

Hebrews 7:7-8 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.


JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO USE GRAMMAR TO DECEIVE YOURSELF AGAIN, LOOK VERY WELL AT THE WORD "RECEIVE" IN VERSE 8. IT IS NOT A PAST TENSE, IT IS A PRESENT CONTINUOUS TENSE! SO AS PAUL WAS WRITING THAT LETTER IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH WERE STILL PAYING TITHES AND CHRIST WHO IT IS WITNESSED THAT HE LIVETH RECEIVES THEM IN HEAVEN!

Smadeinc:
I started 8:15 finished 8:18 i no still make top 10,you will borrow me your head next week o

At least let me see Christmas money

If it took 3minutes to finish those easy questions, that means wahala dey o.......next week will be 50 questions with one attempt, so you may need to borrow 2 extra heads + your Google

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Smadeinc:
Mehn those guys are fast

B4 nko?? Guys are not smiling o! If I had this type of opportunity in those days when I was a student in school and looking for money, I would have been winning every week.

Next week, the top prize will be N10,000 And there will be 2 extra random winners to celebrate Christmas, so that means there will be 6 winners next week instead of the regular 4 winners. Make sure you are among o! Or grow extra 2 heads to win like others winning

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