Babs, please where is the answer to my simple question that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Bible?

I want the verse from the Qur'an.

Cheers.

@pilgrim


Your dishonesty wont work with me

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Babs, please where is the answer to my simple question that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Bible?

I want the verse from the Qur'an.

Is it not true that your bible is corrupt? We will take it from there when you provide honest answer.

I simply want the verse in the Qur'an where you claimed that it came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures. That was your direct quote, and I'm waiting for your sincere quote of the verse where it says so in the Qur'an.

Thank you.

babs787:

Is it not true that your bible is corrupt? We will take it from there when you provide honest answer.

answer the question first!

Mohammed claimed the bible is corrupt . . . the onus thus lies on him to prove his fallacious theory, to continually ask christians if they think the bible is corrupt is mere dishonesty and an attempt to play al taquiyya.

davidylan:

answer the question first!

Muhammad claimed the bible is corrupt . . . the onus thus lies on him to prove his fallacious theory, to continually ask christians if they think the bible is corrupt is mere dishonesty and an attempt to play al taquiyya.

Let the guy play al taqiyya and LIE for Allah as much as he can. That is why I brought him here to have a field day LYING for Allah and let the rest of us know the sort of Muslim he is.

babs787:

@pilgrim


Your dishonesty wont work with me



Is it not true that your bible is corrupt? We will take it from there when you provide honest answer.

I have been following the way you dance joyfully on your advanced stupidity these days. For over a year now, you don't know how to answer a simple question.

Answer the question! With relevant nonsense from the Quran. Or forever live with your stupidity.

Happy New Year by the way.

Yeye person.

mrpataki:

I have been following the way you dance joyfully on your advanced stupidity these days. For over a year now, you don't know how to answer a simple question.

Hahahaha-hehehe!!

mrpataki:

Answer the question! With relevant nonsense from the Quran. Or forever live with your stupidity.

Hehehehe-HAHAHAHA!!

mrpataki:

Happy New Year by the way.

Bo, my bros and everybody, Happy New Year o jare!! May the good Lord bless you all in the new anno Domini!

@babs787,

Here is your direct quote: (and the source: click here)

babs787:

The original message has been distorted hence the coming of the last book to correct those mistakes.

That is a classic LIE of Muslim propagandists. There is no reference in the Qur'an to that dubious statement.

That is why I brought you here to have a field day and let us know where the Qur'an ever claimed that "advanced lie" you have adduced to put words into Allah's mouth.


WHERE did your Qur'an say so, babs787?

WHAT rather did your Qur'an claim?

@babs787,

Why is it taking you forever to quote the verse from the Qur'an for this simple question?

Anyhow, I will be off soon. When you find the verse for where Allah ever led you to LIE about "correcting" the Bible, please simply post that verse and let us read it.

No use for long frantic drama of the bible is 'corrupt, verses missing, etc.' Keep the excuses, say something fresh and save the recycled drivel. Just show us that the Qur'an said it came to CORRECT the Bible. Period.

Make una see drama! Just as I was getting ready to vroom off to work, he logs off - perhaps to go and sob to Naik Zakir!

Okay, I have another 10 minutes to spare.

Let me take babs787 on an English course and then come back and show him what the Qur'an exactly claimed to do!

According to babs787, the Qur'an came to "CORRECT" some perceived 'mistakes' in the "original message". That is a dubious statement not even supported by the Qur'an - unless babs787 is hell-bent on forcing words into Allah's mouth to make him say what he never said in the Qur'an!

He is fond of making such hypocritical statements while claiming them to be what the Qur'an says. For example, it was the same babs787 who lied to the public on this Forum that the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was lost - see again:

IS THE QURAN WRONG IN STATING THAT THE TORAH WAS LOST OR CORRUPTED?

(Source: babs787's assertion in another thread)

Can we ask babs787 to please kindly quote where the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was LOST! Without the usual drama of long stories, WHERE did the Qur'an "STATE" that the Torah was LOST, babs787?

Up to the present date, he has not offered an answer to his assertive denials - and I've already bleached that duplicity in a relevant thread.

My simple challenge in the present thread therefore is to closely examine yet another dubious claim he has made. Thus, I'd like to begin by proposing a pointer:

Did The Qur'an Come to 'Correct' the BIBLE?

This is just another example where Muslims are at their lies again (as YOU babs787 have posted in the other thread) - and I decided to set the record straight in this new thread. The brash and brazen attitude of Muslims lying to please 'Allah' is not going to bless Muhammad; and if there's anything that would help your cause, it should be a ready heart to admit the simple truth as it appears in the sources you quote.

Hence, let us examine the recent dubious claim in babs787's assertion:


@babs787,

babs787:


The original message has been distorted hence the coming of the last book to correct those mistakes.

What "mistakes" did the so-called 'last book' come to "correct"?

Don't you see how dubious you are? The Qur'an says that it came to "CONFIRM" what the Bible teaches rather than try to "correct" it! If the Torah and Injil were revealed by 'Allah', then the so-called 'mistakes' were revealed by 'Allah' as well! Are you now trying to cheat your ummah with this dubious refrain to "mistakes" when the Qur'an claims that 'Allah' was the one who revealed those Biblical scriptures?

Let me walk you through some English lessons - because often times you Muslims only demonstrate the fact that you're so illiterate as to understand the basic meanings of simple words! Unless your Muslim translators deliberately wanted to LIE, we shall see here that your idea of the Qur'an coming to "correct" the Biblical scriptures does NOT exist anywhere in the Qur'an. Rather, in every instance of the meaning of the word "confirm" (which your Muslim translators have used many times), we find that the purpose of the Qur'an was to validate the Biblical scriptures as being TRUE!

There is a huge difference between "correcting" and "confirming" something. While 'Allah' never once claimed that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical documents, we note that synonyms of the word "confirm" include:

~ corroborate: 'support with evidence or authority or make more certain or confirm'

~ substantiate: 'strengthen or make more firm'

~ reassert: 'establish or strengthen as with new evidence or facts'

~ affirm: 'to declare or affirm solemnly and formally as true'

~ verify: 'to confirm the truth of'. . and. . 'to declare or affirm solemnly and formally as true'

All these expressions (corroborate, substantiate, reassert, affirm, verify) simply mean one thing: that what is being "confirmed" is TRUE! If the Qur'an claims to have come to confirm the Biblical scriptures (especially the Torah and Injil), then it is only saying that those scriptures are TRUE!!

As a matter of fact, another dictionary (MSN encarta online) gives various possible meanings of the word "confirm" as including:

Definition:

1. transitive verb prove something to be true:
to verify the truth or validity of something thought
to be true or valid

2. transitive and intransitive verb make something definite:
to make certain that a tentative arrangement or one made
earlier is firm

3. transitive verb legally approve something:
to ratify or make something valid with a formal or legal act

4. transitive verb strengthen something:
to make something stronger

In order words, since the various Muslim translators agree that the Qur'an came to "confirm" the Biblical scriptures, it only means from the above word definition that the Qur'an came to:

1. 'prove something (the Biblical scriptures) to be true'

2. 'make something (the Biblical scriptures) definite'

3. 'legally approve something (the Biblical scriptures)'

4. make something (the Biblical scriptures) stronger

If you care, you may also want to check the same reference (MSN encarta online)) for the synonyms (similar words) of the word "confirm", which include those same words enunciated earlier as to the fact the Qur'an came to do all these to the Biblical scriptures:

~ strengthen
~ firm up
~ fortify
~ reinforce
~ substantiate
~ corroborate
~ verify
~ authenticate
~ approve
~ sanction
~ endorse

It does not matter whether or not the Qur'an actually "confirms" the Biblical scriptures (we shall see that such a claim is a huge LIE in all its details). What is of vital here is to note the claim that Muslim translators have used the word "confirm" in describing the purpose of the Qur'an in relation to the Jewish and Christian scriptures. ARE THEY LYING or being mischievous?

@babs787,

I know that the next thing Muslims would do is to deny that the Qur'an came to "confirm" the Biblical scriptures; or pretend that they no longer understand the meaning of the English word "confirm" which their own Muslim translators have used to describe the purpose of the Qur'an in relation to the Bible! So, one more English lesson from yet another dictionary (the American Heritage Dictionary online) to enunciate the meaning of the word "confirm".

The American Heritage Dictionary offers the following as SYNONYMS: confirm, corroborate, substantiate, authenticate, validate, verify; and then explicates them as follows:

[list]These verbs mean to affirm the truth, accuracy, or genuineness of something.

 Confirm implies removal of all doubt

 Corroborate refers to supporting something by means of strengthening evidence

 To substantiate is to establish by presenting substantial or tangible evidence

 Authenticate implies the establishment of genuineness of something by the testimony of an expert

 Validate refers to establishing the validity of something, such as a theory, claim, or judgment

 Verify implies proving by comparison with an original or with established fact[/list]

From these definitions, we observe that when Muslim translators state that the Qur'an came to "confirm" the Biblical scriptures, they were effectively saying that the Qur'an came to corroborate, substantiate, authenticate, validate, and verify the same Biblical documents! Although this is the claim of the Qur'an, we shall subsequently see that it is more a LIE than anything to be taken seriously!

You cannot claim to be confirming anything and yet forcing yourself to believe that it is "false". Claiming that something is false is not "confirming" it - rather, it is to "contradict" yourself and so rubbish the claim of the Qur'an that it came to "confirm" the Biblical Scriptures!

If you disagree that your Qur'an claims to "confirm" the Biblical Scriptures, then WHERE did the Qur'an claim to have come to "correct" the Jewish and Christian Scriptures?!? We know there were no such claims in the Qur'an to have come to "correct" the Biblical documents - for that claim in itself would only suppose indeed that the Qur'an was contradicting itself already!!!

WHY do Muslims keep lying for 'Allah' in order to cover up Muhammad's duplicity?

@ Pilgrim.1,

You are now blabbings lecturer. Nice to read your inputs every now and then.


When in UK are you sef?

@babs787,

If you want to compare the various Muslim translations of the many references, let me help you with a few Qur'an verses to see the FACT that the Qur'an claims that it came to CONFIRM the Jewish and Christian Scriptures - especially the Torah and the Injil - in the Bible. Of course, there are so many references saying the same thing in the Qur'an; but I shall offer only a few for now.

In no place has the Qur'an made the claim (of "correcting" by which you tried to hornswoggle readers on the Forum, and it would be best that you cease from spouting the lies that have become your second nature!

Here are samples of such references in the Qur'an which claimed to have come to "CONFIRM" the Biblical scriptures:


Reference #1: (Qur'an 2 v 41)

Qur'an[b]:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 41

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And believe in that which I reveal,
confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture),
and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations
for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.

Yusuf Ali
And believe in what I reveal,
confirming the revelation which is with you,
and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs
for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Hilali-Khan
And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'an),
confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve
therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and
the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by
selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone.
(Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page 253).

Shakir
And believe in what I have revealed,
verifying that which is with you,
and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price
in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone
should you fear.

Khalifa
You shall believe in what I have revealed herein,
confirming what you have;
do not be the first to reject it. Do not trade away
My revelations for a cheap price, and observe Me.

---

Reference #2: (Qur'an 2 v 89)

Qur'an[b]:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 89

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And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah,
confirming that in their possession - though before that
they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved
- and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be
the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Yusuf Ali
And when there comes to them a Book from God,
confirming what is with them, - although from of old
they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,
- when there comes to them that which they (should) have
recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God
is on those without Faith.

Hilali-Khan
And when there came to them (the Jews),
a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah
confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had
invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him)
in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when
there came to them that which they had recognised,
they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on
the disbelievers

Shakir
And when there came to them a Book from Allah
verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used
to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when
there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize,
they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.

---

Reference #3: (Qur'an 2 v 91)

Qur'an[b]:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 91


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And when it is said unto them: Believe in that which
Allah hath revealed, they say: We believe in that which
was revealed unto us. And they disbelieve in that which
cometh after it, though it is the truth confirming that
which they possess. Say (unto them, O Muhammad):
Why then slew ye the prophets of Allah aforetime, if ye are
(indeed) believers?

Yusuf Ali
When it is said to them, "Believe in what God Hath sent down,"
they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:" yet they
reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with
them. Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of God in times
gone by, if ye did indeed believe?"

Hilali-Khan
And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah
has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down
to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it
is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad
Peace be upon him to them): "Why then have you killed the Prophets
of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?"

Shakir
And when it is said to them, Believe in what Allah has revealed,
they say: We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they
deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that
which they have. Say: Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets
before if you were indeed believers?

In all the preceding verses from the Qur'an, where did 'Allah' or Muhammad ever claim that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical Scriptures, babs787? Why are you buying into the duplicity of your Muslim propagandists without carefully checking out what they are claiming?!? Or is lying for 'Allah' the best next thing that your scholars can do to cover up Muhammad's fallacies?

@babs787,

Note that I highlighted your favourite VERSION of the Qur'an - Hilali-Khan translation. They go on to state two things that Muslims hypocritically believe:

(a) they insert the words "Torah" and "Injil" as what the Qur'an came to CONFIRM

(b) they also go on to show that the verses apply to what is "WITH YOU" (or that which they possess!) - this indicates that these translators are not referring to any LOST Torah or Injil, but to the present Bible in the possession of Christians and Jews. Dr Hilali and Dr Khan are not translators from archiach ages - they did their translation work in the present contemporary times, and they were referring to "which IS with you" (and NOT "that which was with you".

If you sabi basic understanding of English, please note that there is a difference between WAS and IS!! These translators were not supposing that the Torah was with us and thereafter LOST!! Those who ever propounded the LOST Torah are LYING through their yellow teeth!!

Please babs787, it is either you put Hilali-Khan and other translators to shame NOW; or forever slap your LIES out of NAIRALAND!!   Lying for Allah will never bless Muhammad . .  so stop this Al-Harm-dudu-LIE that you have taken as a new adventure without pay!

Instead of coming to "correct", the Qur'an directly claims that it came to "CONFIRM" (i.e., VERIFY, REASSERT, SUBSTANTIATE, AUTHENTICATE, and VALIDATE) the Biblical scriptures. Where it does this or not is the next thing that will be of concern to us. But for now, I just wanted to let readers see the Lying blabbing machine you are!!

Lol. . . @mrpataki,

mrpataki:

@ Pilgrim.1,

You are now blabbings lecturer.

Heheh. . . abi? If Islam produces illiterates who can no longer understand the English language, we are here to help them sanitize their rascal backyard diction.

mrpataki:

Nice to read your inputs every now and then.

Most times I choose to be quiet. But when the blabbing machine starts his adventures of LYING for Allah, I feel compelled to let him know that putting words into Allah's mouth is not the key to 72 virgins in jannah. He has lied that much on Nairaland that it is time we say ENOUGH!!

Bad if I did not know. But because I knew this things as a former Muslim, I can' sit here and let people like him continue to cheat the world with hypocritic LIES!! Especially because the Bible says that all LIARS shall have their part in the lake of fire.

mrpataki:

When in UK are you sef?

When or where? If na when - i dey here kampe!

If na where. . . haa!! I don't want Allah's footsoldiers to approach me with their knives suicide mission - no Muslim will have me as a reward in Jannah among the 72 poor virgins!

Sorry I meant where. No problem though.


As earlier stated, nice reading from you on the forum.

Have a blessed 2008!

mrpataki:

Sorry I meant where. No problem though.

Thanks for your understanding, bros.

mrpataki:

As earlier stated, nice reading from you on the forum.

Many blessings.

mrpataki:

Have a blessed 2008!

Much more to you.

Now, @babs787,

When you resume from your blabbing adventures of LYING for 'Allah', please answer these questions and let us know where the references in the Qur'an are. There are only two simple request I will make for now (and others have been asking you to answer them):


#1.

For example, it was the same babs787 who lied to the public on this Forum that the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was lost - see again:

IS THE QURAN WRONG IN STATING THAT THE TORAH WAS LOST OR CORRUPTED?

(Source: babs787's assertion in another thread)

Can we ask babs787 to please kindly quote where the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was LOST! Without the usual drama of long stories, WHERE did the Qur'an "STATE" that the Torah was LOST, babs787?

#2.

Can you please QUOTE THE VERSE from the QUR'AN where Allah said that the Qur'an came to CORRECT (instead of "CONFIRM" the Biblical scriptures?

Answers please. . . and we can then know how far you want to take these LIES for Allah to wayo people on the Forum!

@pilgrim.1

Qur'an[b]: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.2, verse 41

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[b]And believe in that which I reveal,
confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture),
and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations
for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.

Yusuf Ali
And believe in what I reveal,
confirming the revelation which is with you,
and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs
for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Hilali-Khan
And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'an),
confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve
therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and
the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by
selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone.
(Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page 253).

Shakir
And believe in what I have revealed,
verifying that which is with you,
and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price
in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone
should you fear.

Khalifa
You shall believe in what I have revealed herein,
confirming what you have;
do not be the first to reject it. Do not trade away
My revelations for a cheap price, and observe Me.




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Reference #2: (Qur'an 2 v 89)


Quote

Qur'an[b]: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.2, verse 89

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[b]And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah,
confirming that in their possession - though before that
they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved
- and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be
the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Yusuf Ali
And when there comes to them a Book from God,
confirming what is with them, - although from of old
they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,
- when there comes to them that which they (should) have
recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God
is on those without Faith.

Hilali-Khan
And when there came to them (the Jews),
a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah
confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had
invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him)
in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when
there came to them that which they had recognised,
they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on
the disbelievers

Shakir
And when there came to them a Book from Allah
verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used
to pray for victory against those who disbelie[/b]ve, but when
there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize,
they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.




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Reference #3: (Qur'an 2 v 91)


Quote

Qur'an[b]: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 91


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And when it is said unto them: Believe in that which
Allah hath revealed, they say: [b]We believe in that which
was revealed unto us. And they disbelieve in that which
cometh after it, though it is the truth confirming that
which they possess. Say (unto them, O Muhammad):
Why then slew ye the prophets of Allah aforetime, if ye are
(indeed) believers?

Yusuf Ali
When it is said to them, "Believe in what God Hath sent down,"
they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:" yet they
reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with
them. Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of God in times
gone by, if ye did indeed believe?"

Hilali-Khan
And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah
has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down
to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it
is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad
Peace be upon him to them): "Why then have you killed the Prophets
of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?"

Shakir
And when it is said to them, Believe in what Allah has revealed,
they say: We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they
deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that
which they have. Say: Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets
before if you were indeed believers?



In all the preceding verses from the Qur'an, where did 'Allah' or Muhammad ever claim that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical Scriptures, babs787? Why are you buying into the duplicity of your Muslim propagandists without carefully checking out what they are claiming?!? Or is lying for 'Allah' the best next thing that your scholars can do to cover up Muhammad's fallacies?

Please take note of the highlighted qupote os yours. Answers will be provided in my next post to one of your rejoinders.

@babs787,

babs787:

@pilgrim.1

Please take note of the highlighted qupote os yours. Answers will be provided in my next post to one of your rejoinders.

Please stop diving your nose under that excuse. I asked a simple question and I want a simple answer:

Quote me the verse where the Qur'an claimed to have come to CORRECT the Bible. QED.

These adventures of LYING to the public and then ducking simple queries has worn out and is boring us. If you have no verse in the QUR'AN for your assertions, please park your shakara one side and let us get on with more important things to do.

@ blabber787,

Where is the verse in the Al-Quran stating it is correcting the bible?

Answer a simple question and stop this nonsense attitude of yours.

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:

@ blabber787,

Where is the verse in the Al-Quran stating it is correcting the bible?

Answer a simple question and stop this nonsense attitude of yours.

Abeg make una help me break the English in the simplest form he can understand.

This is simply why I brought him to this thread - because if left in other threads, he would predictably be scurrying back and forth and never really seeking to answer a simple question.

@babs787,

Just ONE VERSE from the Qur'an is all I ask!! JUST ONE VERSE - QED!!

@pilgrim.1


I was planning creating a thread in which I will go into detailed corruption of the bible but all the same I will still treat part of your worries so that you and your folks will know that the bible you are carrying now is NOT THE SAME AS THE REVELATION GIVEN TO MOSES, DAVID AND JESUS respectively.

Note that I highlighted your favourite VERSION of the Qur'an - Hilali-Khan translation. They go on to state two things that Muslims hypocritically believe:

Ok

(a) they insert the words "Torah" and "Injil" as what the Qur'an came to CONFIRM

Hope you do read to understand? You ignorantly believe that the Torah and Injil are the same as the bible you carry about huh.I supply you answers to show that your bible is corrupt and can never be the same as the TORAH and Injil.

(b) they also go on to show that the verses apply to what is "WITH YOU" (or that which they possess!) - this indicates that these translators are not referring to any LOST Torah or Injil, but to the present Bible in the possession of Christians and Jews. Dr Hilali and Dr Khan are not translators from archiach ages - they did their translation work in the present contemporary times, and they were referring to "which IS with you" (and NOT "that which was with you".

Okay miss lecturer . So in a nutshell, they are referring to the present day bible you are carrying huh Ignorance is really a disease. I reserve my comment to be applied in your other quotes.

If you sabi basic understanding of English, please note that there is a difference between WAS and IS!! These translators were not supposing that the Torah was with us and thereafter LOST!! Those who ever propounded the LOST Torah are LYING through their yellow teeth!!

Now babygirl, read and re-read. You are confused huh? I will bring back the quotes supplied and nail you woth same. Now who was having the Torah then? Can you please provide the original manuscript for me?

Please babs787, it is either you put Hilali-Khan and other translators to shame NOW; or forever slap your LIES out of NAIRALAND!!   Lying for Allah will never bless Muhammad . .  so stop this Al-Harm-dudu-LIE that you have taken as a new adventure without pay!

Sister, I will surely attend to your worries huh?

Instead of coming to "correct", the Qur'an directly claims that it came to "CONFIRM" (i.e., VERIFY, REASSERT, SUBSTANTIATE, AUTHENTICATE, and VALIDATE) the Biblical scriptures. Where it does this or not is the next thing that will be of concern to us. But for now, I just wanted to let readers see the Lying blabbing machine you are!!

Never mind, we will soon see the real LIAR by the time I serve you what you didn not expect.


Part of the introduction to Surah Baqarah




At Makkah the Quran generally addressed the mushrik Quraish who were ignorant of Islam, but at Al- Madinah it was also concerned with the Jews who were acquainted with the creed of the Unity of Allah, Prophethood, Revelation, the Hereafter and angels.[b] They also professed to believe in the law which was revealed by Allah to their Prophet Moses (Allah's peace be upon him), and in principle, their way was the same (Islam) that was being taught by Prophet Muhammad (Allah's peace be upon him). But they had strayed away from it during the centuries of degeneration and had adopted many un- Islamic creeds, rites and customs of which there was no mention and for which there was no sanction in the Torah. Not only this : they had tampered with the Torah by inserting their own explanations and interpretations into its text. They had distorted even that part of the Word of God which had remained intact in their Scriptures and taken out of it the real spirit of true religion and were now clinging to a lifeless frame of rituals. Consequently their beliefs, their morals and their conduct had gone to the lowest depths of degeneration. The pity is that they were not only satisfied with their condition but loved to cling to it. Besides this, they had no intention or inclination to accept any kind of reform. So they became bitter enemies of those who came to teach them the Right Way and did their worst to defeat every such effort. [/b]


Hold you breath please

babs787:

@pilgrim.1


[s]I was planning creating a thread in which I will go into detailed corruption of the bible but all the same I will still treat part of your worries so that you and your folks will know that the bible you are carrying now is NOT THE SAME AS THE REVELATION GIVEN TO MOSES, DAVID AND JESUS respectively.



Ok



Hope you do read to understand? You ignorantly believe that the Torah and Injil are the same as the bible you carry about huh.I supply you answers to show that your bible is corrupt and can never be the same as the TORAH and Injil.




Okay miss lecturer . So in a nutshell, they are referring to the present day bible you are carrying huh Ignorance is really a disease. I reserve my comment to be applied in your other quotes.




Now babygirl, read and re-read. You are confused huh? I will bring back the quotes supplied and nail you woth same. Now who was having the Torah then? Can you please provide the original manuscript for me?





Sister, I will surely attend to your worries huh?



Never mind, we will soon see the real LIAR by the time I serve you what you didn not expect.


Part of the introduction to Surah Baqarah




At Makkah the Quran generally addressed the mushrik Quraish who were ignorant of Islam, but at Al- Madinah it was also concerned with the Jews who were acquainted with the creed of the Unity of Allah, Prophethood, Revelation, the Hereafter and angels.[b] They also professed to believe in the law which was revealed by Allah to their Prophet Moses (Allah's peace be upon him), and in principle, their way was the same (Islam) that was being taught by Prophet Muhammad (Allah's peace be upon him). But they had strayed away from it during the centuries of degeneration and had adopted many un- Islamic creeds, rites and customs of which there was no mention and for which there was no sanction in the Torah. Not only this : they had tampered with the Torah by inserting their own explanations and interpretations into its text. They had distorted even that part of the Word of God which had remained intact in their Scriptures and taken out of it the real spirit of true religion and were now clinging to a lifeless frame of rituals. Consequently their beliefs, their morals and their conduct had gone to the lowest depths of degeneration. The pity is that they were not only satisfied with their condition but loved to cling to it. Besides this, they had no intention or inclination to accept any kind of reform. So they became bitter enemies of those who came to teach them the Right Way and did their worst to defeat every such effort. [/b]


Hold you breath please [/s]

Do you struggle with simple statements in English?

WHERE is the verse from the Qur'an that you asserted it came to "correct" the Bible?

If Allah never said so, let me know when your LIES will make Muhammad say so!

I warned you - any stories you post as replies will be of no consequence until you answer the simple request I offered you. NO STORY TELLING. Period.

I want the verse, or you continue to face up to you adventures of LYING for Allah.

@pilgrim.1


Let us view your worries together supporting same with tafsir

Qur'an:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 41

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  [b]And believe in that which I reveal,
  confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture),
  and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations
  for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.

Yusuf Ali
  And believe in what I reveal,
  confirming the revelation which is with you,
  and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs
  for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Hilali-Khan
  And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'an),
  confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah)
  and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve
  therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and
  the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by
  selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone.
  (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page 253).

Shakir
  And believe in what I have revealed,
  verifying that which is with you,
  and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price
  in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone
  should you fear.

Khalifa
  You shall believe in what I have revealed herein,
  confirming what you have;
  do not be the first to reject it. Do not trade away
  My revelations for a cheap price, and observe Me.

Chapter 2 Verse 41

And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.


When we read the verse preceding this, we find that these verses refer to the Children of Israel where Allah asks them to fulfill the Covenant. Then in this verse Allah (swt) is telling them to believe in what He reveals which confirms the revelation which is with them. So the Quran again is confirming that which is a revelation and not that which is corrupted by human hands. Then


we read the next verse:



And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).



Thus it becomes apparent that the Quran is telling the Jews not to conceal the Truth. How would the Truth be concealed? The Truth would be concealed by following human corruptions rather than following what Allah has revealed.

Qur'an:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.2, verse 89

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  [b]And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah,
  confirming that in their possession - though before that
  they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved
  - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be
  the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbeliever/

[b]
Chapter 2 Verse 89


And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognized, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith.


Once again this verse is seen to hold the same meaning as that of ‘Saddaqa’ explained above. The Quran which is from Allah is confirming the truth that which is with the People of the Book. Over and over again we find that the Noble Quran tells us that it is confirming the truth in the previous revelations. The Quran is speaking the truth about what is with the People of the Book. Therefore it is clear that the Quran is not testifying that the entire Bible is preserved but is only confirming the truth that is with the People of the Book thus naturally correcting the corrupted part.

Qur'an:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.2, verse 91


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  And when it is said unto them: Believe in that which
  Allah hath revealed, they say: [b]We believe in that which
  was revealed unto us. And they disbelieve in that which
  cometh after it, though it is the truth confirming that
  which they possess. Say (unto them, O Muhammad):
  Why then slew ye the prophets of Allah aforetime, if ye are
  (indeed) believers?

[b]Chapter 2 Verse 91

When it is said to them, “Believe in what Allah Hath sent down, “they say, “We believe in what was sent down to us:” yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them. Say: “Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?”


This verse is connected to the one explained above. The Quran says that the People of the Book reject the Truth which is confirming that which is with them. What does the Truth confirm? The Truth would but natural confirm that which is the truth. Thus as explained above many times in this section, the Quran, being the Truth, confirms the Truth that is with the People of the Book and not that which is falsehood created by human intervention.



Chapter 2 Verse 97

Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-


This verse is from the same Surah as the previous two verses and talks about those who are enemies to Gabriel. Gabriel is an angel who brought the revelations to Prophet Muhammad (saw). The revelation is referred to as a confirmation of what went before. This means that this revelation (Quran) confirms what actually happened before thus exposing the falsehood that might be there in the minds or the scriptures of the People of the Book. Further the Quran is called ‘guidance’ for those who believe and if the purpose of the Quran was to state that the entire Bible is uncorrupted then it would not refer to itself as guidance to those who believe because the Bible would still be guidance to those who do not believe.




Chapter 2 Verse 101

And when there came to them a messenger from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!


We find that again the same word is used in this verse of the Quran. Thus when Allah (swt) sent his Messenger (saw) to confirm the truth in what was with the People of the Book (here the verse refers to the Jews), some of them who realized that it was by default exposing the falsehood, refused to consider what the Messenger (saw) was saying by pretending as if they do not even know what their books had in it. If the Quran was testifying that their scripture is in its pristine form then the Jews would not have pretended as if they knew not what was in their scriptures. The reason why they pretended as such was because they saw that an unlettered Prophet (saw) was bringing out the truth in their books and by default exposing the falsehood. The Jews knew that if they would look at the truth in their books then it would prove that Prophet Muhammad (saw) was the Messenger of Allah (swt) and thus they chose to ignore their books completely.

@babs787,

babs787:

@pilgrim.1


Let us view your worries together supporting same with tafsir

Okay, I patiently went through your replies. NOTE that I did not ask for a tafsir - Allah did not write the TAFSIRS, and the tafsirs are not all agreed in many respects.

I asked you for a verse from the [size=14pt]QUR'AN[/size] - where is it, babs787? What kind of illiterate games are you playing this morning?


Inspite of all your shakara, you're still posting the same set of verses that clearly outline the FACT that the Qur'an claims to have come to CONFIRM (validate, verify, substantiate, authenticate) the Biblical scriptures!! Where are the verses for the claim that it came to "correct" them?

babs787:


Chapter 2 Verse 41

And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

babs787:


Chapter 2 Verse 89


And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognized, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith.

babs787:

Chapter 2 Verse 91

When it is said to them, “Believe in what Allah Hath sent down, “they say, “We believe in what was sent down to us:” yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them. Say: “Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?”

babs787:

Chapter 2 Verse 97

Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-

babs787:


Chapter 2 Verse 101

And when there came to them a messenger from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!

Even when you employ the TAFSIRS, where did Allah say that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures?

Even your own favourite translators (Hilali-Khan) showed that the verses were referring to the TORAH and INJIL - the very same ones that are "WITH THEM" (the Jews and Christians). This games of pretending to no longer understand English was why I offered the definitions of the word CONFIRM.

I want the verse where Allah ask you to make such a false statement, babs787. Your story telling is of no interest at the moment.

@babs787,

I knew you would come back with long stories - that was why I took time out to carefully walk you through elementary English understanding of the word CONFIRM.

So far, you have been telling stories that have woefully FAILED to produce the verse from the Qur'an where Allah claimed that the Qur'an came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures!

If you don't have such a verse, do the honourable thing and let readers know you were wrong. Being headstrong in such deception will put you in a ridiculous spot! And as many times as you try to circumvent the issue, so many times will it go down on record that you were simply LYING for Allah and putting words into his mouth to make him say what he never ever said!!

Is LYING for Allah the one thing you know how well to do?

Goodness me! He logs off again! What kind of illiterate antics are you up to this morning, babs787?

If I was very busy this morning in the office, that is how you would have distracted me! Thankfully, I am not as busy as I supposed I would have been this morning; and that's why I was interested in seeing the verse from the Qur'an. What has happened that we have to wait forever before you can admit to simple honour of telling the simple truth?

Okay, I don't want to force you into any pressures. My aim was to show you that LYING is not a virtue - because when you do, you ridicule Islam and you will never have anything to cover your LIES!!

If it makes you feel better out of the sincerity of my heart, I confess that I also LIED so many times when I was a Muslim (I am not blaming it on anybody). The conviction was eating away at my heart and I knew that a holy God would not put up with LIES (whether I was Christian, Muslim or Hindu). That was what made me really started seeking to know these things - and that was how I got to know this much and be able to spot when other Muslims were LYING!!

When I became a Christian, it was a slow process for me to stop lying. (I am ashamed that I have to admit I lied as well). But when God dealt with me in my spirit, I saw how much I was destroying myself in telling lies.

That very day, I stopped LYING and have always sought to seek the truth. That is why I enagge Catholics in debate, and others as well. I have learnt much as well from my many Muslim friends - and also from a few Hindus - they have pointed out a few things to correct my misconception. But the one thing why I value ALL my friends for, is that they ALL know me that I have zero tolerance for LYING!! And they are content to be people who seek to live by simple truths.

Cheers. . . and HAPPY NEW YEAR!