@pilgrim.1

I have given you explanation on the comfirmation of the previous revelation which you have failed to understand. But if you are that blind, you may read again below for clarification.

WHERE is the verse from the Qur'an that you asserted it came to "correct" the Bible?

The Holy Quran came to correct the mistakes in the. In the first place, the bible was neither revealed to Moses nor Jesus. Going to OT, we learnt the bible placed the blame on Eve while Allah in the holy Quran said that the two were responsible.

Also we learnt that Jesus did his first miracle when he spoke from the cradle as against the bible that said he started his miracle by converting water to wine.




Abdullah Yusuf Ali:


“After the corruption of the older revelation, the Quran comes with a twofold purpose:
(1) to confirm the true and original Message and
(2) to guard it or act as a check to its interpretation. The Arabic word ‘Muhaymin’ is very comprehensive in meaning. It means one who safeguards, watches over, stands witness, preserves and upholds. The Quran safeguards “the Book”, for it has preserved within it the teachings of all the former Books. It watches over these Books in the sense that it corroborates the Word of Allah which has remained intact in them. It stands as a witness because it bears testimony to the Word of Allah contained in these Books and helps to sort it out from the interpretations and commentaries of the people which were mixed with it; what is confirmed by the Quran is the Word of Allah and what is against it is that of the people.”


In the beginning of the verse, Allah encourages us to debate and have dialogue with the People of the Book. Now if the Quran was testifying that the Books you have at that point in time were in their pure form and that they were on the right path then why would the Muslims be encouraged to have a dialogue and debate with the People of the Book?

Obviously the dialogue was to help christians realize the wrong which they were doing so that they could come onto the right path. The path as prescribed by Allah. The path one can walk on only by accepting the uncorrupted Book – The Quran.

The verse again does not state that the Bible in the hands of the Jews and the Christians of that time was in its pristine form. What the Quran states is that it is confirming that which was revealed before – not the Bible that they hold but confirming only that which was revealed before it by Allah.


So how does the Quran confirm what was revealed before? It does so simply by stating or repeating that what was revealed to the concerned prophets and correcting that which has been corrupted. For example, in the story of the Original Sin as seen in the Bible, the blame is put on the woman and not the man. The Quran however corrects this mistake and says that both of them are equally responsible.


However the Christians say that they have same Torah today as it was during the time of Jesus and the evidence they give is the existence of the[b] ‘Septuagint’[/b].
According to theCatholic Encyclopedia:



“The three most celebrated manuscripts of the Septuagint known are the Vatican, “Codex Vaticanus” (fourth century); the Alexandrian, “Codex Alexandrinus” (fifth century), now in the British Museum, London; and that of Sinai, “Codex Sinaiticus” (fourth century), found by Tischendorf in the convent of St. Catherine, on Mount Sinai, in 1844 and 1849, now part at Leipzig and in part in St. Petersburg; they are all written in uncials.”


Hence we see that the Septuagint today is not from during the time of Jesus. The earliest manuscript dates to the fourth century some 300 years after Jesus. Thus no Christian can claim that the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers) which they have today in the Bible is the same as to what was present in the Septuagint during the time of Jesus.


Now we find yet in the Quran that  “let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein”. However any sane christian (not like pilgrim, mrpataki, davidylan etc) will know that  this verse is talking about what Allah has revealed in the Gospel – not the entire Bible.


Now let us see if your bible is corrupt or not.

Pilgrim, it is believed that Isaiah wrote the book of Isaiah?

Please compare Isaiah 37 with 2nd Kings 19 and tell me who wrote the book of kings and where was the holy spirit that was supposed to inspire them but made them copy everything word for word!! Who copied who there? 1005 plagiarism.

Also christians believe that the bible is 100% word of God but we found out that it contains, word of God, word of prophets and word of historians.

From the OT, do we say the below verses are from God to Moses.

and the Lord said unto him, away get thee down
and the Lord spake to moses saying

The above shows that they were compiled after him by historians and not the original message given to Moses because I could remember Shahan saying that Moses penned down his obituary while DAVIDYLAN SAID THAT IT WAS COMPLETED BY ONE OF HIS FRIENDS !!!


Now going into the NT, we read the word of historians that showed that the NT christians are carrying now is not the same as the one revelaed to Jesus because the revelation to Jesus was a direct message from God but we learnt that the NT was compiled after Jesus' demise withouth him having any knowledge of the so called NT ascribed to him.

Do you still have any proof that Matthew wrote the book of Mathew?


Lastly provide solution to this contradiction from the inspired book of God

2 samuel 10 v 18: and the syrians fled before Israel and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the syrians and forty thousand horsemen and smote shobach the captain of their host who died there.

and

1 chronicles 19 v 18: but the syrians fled before Israel and David slew of the syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots and forty thousand footmen and killed shophach the captain of the host.

Kindly explain the highlighted difference in the two verses.

Thanks

babs787:

@pilgrim.1

[s]I have given you explanation on the comfirmation of the previous revelation which you have failed to understand. But if you are that blind, you may read again below for clarification.




The Holy Quran came to correct the mistakes in the. In the first place, the bible was neither revealed to Moses nor Jesus. Going to OT, we learnt the bible placed the blame on Eve while Allah in the holy Quran said that the two were responsible.

Also we learnt that Jesus did his first miracle when he spoke from the cradle as against the bible that said he started his miracle by converting water to wine.




Abdullah Yusuf Ali:


“After the corruption of the older revelation, the Quran comes with a twofold purpose:
(1) to confirm the true and original Message and
(2) to guard it or act as a check to its interpretation. The Arabic word ‘Muhaymin’ is very comprehensive in meaning. It means one who safeguards, watches over, stands witness, preserves and upholds. The Quran safeguards “the Book”, for it has preserved within it the teachings of all the former Books. It watches over these Books in the sense that it corroborates the Word of Allah which has remained intact in them. It stands as a witness because it bears testimony to the Word of Allah contained in these Books and helps to sort it out from the interpretations and commentaries of the people which were mixed with it; what is confirmed by the Quran is the Word of Allah and what is against it is that of the people.”


In the beginning of the verse, Allah encourages us to debate and have dialogue with the People of the Book. Now if the Quran was testifying that the Books you have at that point in time were in their pure form and that they were on the right path then why would the Muslims be encouraged to have a dialogue and debate with the People of the Book?

Obviously the dialogue was to help christians realize the wrong which they were doing so that they could come onto the right path. The path as prescribed by Allah. The path one can walk on only by accepting the uncorrupted Book – The Quran.

The verse again does not state that the Bible in the hands of the Jews and the Christians of that time was in its pristine form. What the Quran states is that it is confirming that which was revealed before – not the Bible that they hold but confirming only that which was revealed before it by Allah.


So how does the Quran confirm what was revealed before? It does so simply by stating or repeating that what was revealed to the concerned prophets and correcting that which has been corrupted. For example, in the story of the Original Sin as seen in the Bible, the blame is put on the woman and not the man. The Quran however corrects this mistake and says that both of them are equally responsible.


However the Christians say that they have same Torah today as it was during the time of Jesus and the evidence they give is the existence of the[b] ‘Septuagint’[/b].
According to theCatholic Encyclopedia:



“The three most celebrated manuscripts of the Septuagint known are the Vatican, “Codex Vaticanus” (fourth century); the Alexandrian, “Codex Alexandrinus” (fifth century), now in the British Museum, London; and that of Sinai, “Codex Sinaiticus” (fourth century), found by Tischendorf in the convent of St. Catherine, on Mount Sinai, in 1844 and 1849, now part at Leipzig and in part in St. Petersburg; they are all written in uncials.”


Hence we see that the Septuagint today is not from during the time of Jesus. The earliest manuscript dates to the fourth century some 300 years after Jesus. Thus no Christian can claim that the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers) which they have today in the Bible is the same as to what was present in the Septuagint during the time of Jesus.


Now we find yet in the Quran that “let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein”. However any sane christian (not like pilgrim, mrpataki, davidylan etc) will know that this verse is talking about what Allah has revealed in the Gospel – not the entire Bible.


Now let us see if your bible is corrupt or not.

Pilgrim, it is believed that Isaiah wrote the book of Isaiah?

Please compare Isaiah 37 with 2nd Kings 19 and tell me who wrote the book of kings and where was the holy spirit that was supposed to inspire them but made them copy everything word for word!! Who copied who there? 1005 plagiarism.

Also christians believe that the bible is 100% word of God but we found out that it contains, word of God, word of prophets and word of historians.

From the OT, do we say the below verses are from God to Moses.

and the Lord said unto him, away get thee down
and the Lord spake to moses saying

The above shows that they were compiled after him by historians and not the original message given to Moses because I could remember Shahan saying that Moses penned down his obituary while DAVIDYLAN SAID THAT IT WAS COMPLETED BY ONE OF HIS FRIENDS !!!


Now going into the NT, we read the word of historians that showed that the NT christians are carrying now is not the same as the one revelaed to Jesus because the revelation to Jesus was a direct message from God but we learnt that the NT was compiled after Jesus' demise withouth him having any knowledge of the so called NT ascribed to him.

Do you still have any proof that Matthew wrote the book of Mathew?


Lastly provide solution to this contradiction from the inspired book of God

2 samuel 10 v 18: and the syrians fled before Israel and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the syrians and forty thousand horsemen and smote shobach the captain of their host who died there.

and

1 chronicles 19 v 18: but the syrians fled before Israel and David slew of the syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots and forty thousand footmen and killed shophach the captain of the host.

Kindly explain the highlighted difference in the two verses.

Thanks[/s]

@babs787,

I asked for a simple verse from the Qur'an for the statement you made as to the Qur'an coming to "correct" the Biblical scriptures. Circulating the excuses so many times of a "corrupt" Bible simply shows you deceptive you have sworn your heart to be - because it simply says that Allah gave the Qur'an to confirm the same Biblical scriptures that Muslims today are seeking to attack.

If you cannot find that verse in the Qur'an where Allah asked you to LIE for him by making such false statements, please note that none of your LIES will bless Muhammad. QED.

To revamp your tattered image on Naiaraland, please produce that verse from the Qur'an and save your brigand excuses. Thank you.

@babs787,

You really should be ashamed of yourself. After sweating to LIE for Allah in order to promote Islam, I asked for a single verse from the Qur'an for our assertion - but see you running helter-skelter from TAFSIR to ENCYCLOPEDIA and other commentaries. Please tell me that Allah wrote all those TAFSIRS and ENCYCLOPEDIA. . . or are they better authority for what Allah refused to say in your Qur'an? If you want "commentaries" - I have offered those in Hilali-Khan's comments directly stated in his own translations as referring to the TORAH and INJIL which IS in the possession of Jews and Christians TODAY! Was Hilali-Khan LYING as well, so that you can glorify the TAFSIRS?

If Allah said the Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures, would the word of men in TAFSIRS and ENCYCLOPEDIA rubbish is claim and make him stand aloof as they controvert what he said? Is Allah changing his mind after telling us that he gave the Qur'an to confirm the Biblical scriptures?

@pilgrim.1

@babs787,

I asked for a simple verse from the Qur'an for the statement you made as to the Qur'an coming to "correct" the Biblical scriptures. Circulating the excuses so many times of a "corrupt" Bible simply shows you deceptive you have sworn your heart to be - because it simply says that Allah gave the Qur'an to confirm the same Biblical scriptures that Muslims today are seeking to attack.

If you cannot find that verse in the Qur'an where Allah asked you to LIE for him by making such false statements, please note that none of your LIES will bless Muhammad. QED.

To revamp your tattered image on Naiaraland, please produce that verse from the Qur'an and save your brigand excuses. Thank you.

Do you read to understand at all?

You really should be ashamed of yourself. After sweating to LIE for Allah in order to promote Islam, I asked for a single verse from the Qur'an for our assertion - but see you running helter-skelter from TAFSIR to ENCYCLOPEDIA and other commentaries. Please tell me that Allah wrote all those TAFSIRS and ENCYCLOPEDIA. . . or are they better authority for what Allah refused to say in your Qur'an? If you want "commentaries" - I have offered those in Hilali-Khan's comments directly stated in his own translations as referring to the TORAH and INJIL which IS in the possession of Jews and Christians TODAY! Was Hilali-Khan LYING as well, so that you can glorify the TAFSIRS?

If Allah said the Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures, would the word of men in TAFSIRS and ENCYCLOPEDIA rubbish is claim and make him stand aloof as they controvert what he said? Is Allah changing his mind after telling us that he gave the Qur'an to confirm the Biblical scriptures?

1. Now if the Quran did not come to correct the bible, how come Allah says we should dialogue with you in the best manner of approach?

The Quran confirms what was before it by stating or repeating that what was revealed to the concerned prophets and correcting that which has been corrupted. For example, in the story of the Original Sin as seen in the Bible, the blame is put on the woman and not the man. The Quran however corrects this mistake and says that both of them are equally responsible. Also the Quran made it known to us that Jesus started his first miracle from the cradle. The Quran also corrected the false prophecies ascribed to Jesus as in this link https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-101571.0.html, letting us know the true status of Jesus christ.

I gave you rebuttal on the evidence christian presents that Torah is the same as what they are having hence my giving you catholic encyclopedia which read thus:


“The three most celebrated manuscripts of the Septuagint known are the Vatican, “Codex Vaticanus” (fourth century); the Alexandrian, “Codex Alexandrinus” (fifth century), now in the British Museum, London; and that of Sinai, “Codex Sinaiticus” (fourth century), found by Tischendorf in the convent of St. Catherine, on Mount Sinai, in 1844 and 1849, now part at Leipzig and in part in St. Petersburg; they are all written in uncials.”


Hence we see that the Septuagint today is not from during the time of Jesus. The earliest manuscript dates to the fourth century some 300 years after Jesus. Thus no Christian can claim that the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers) which they have today in the Bible is the same as to what was present in the Septuagint during the time of Jesus.

So pilgrim, how come the Gospel in existence today is the same as that of Jesus when it was written after him?

Stop your deceit cos it has not worked with me and it will never work. The more you lie, the more your falsehood is exposed.

Lest I forget, your attention is needed here
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-101571.0.html

babs787:

@pilgrim.1

[s]Do you read to understand at all?


1. Now if the Quran did not come to correct the bible, how come Allah says we should dialogue with you in the best manner of approach?

The Quran confirms what was before it by stating or repeating that what was revealed to the concerned prophets and correcting that which has been corrupted. For example, in the story of the Original Sin as seen in the Bible, the blame is put on the woman and not the man. The Quran however corrects this mistake and says that both of them are equally responsible. Also the Quran made it known to us that Jesus started his first miracle from the cradle. The Quran also corrected the false prophecies ascribed to Jesus as in this link https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-101571.0.html, letting us know the true status of Jesus christ.

I gave you rebuttal on the evidence christian presents that Torah is the same as what they are having hence my giving you catholic encyclopedia which read thus:


“The three most celebrated manuscripts of the Septuagint known are the Vatican, “Codex Vaticanus” (fourth century); the Alexandrian, “Codex Alexandrinus” (fifth century), now in the British Museum, London; and that of Sinai, “Codex Sinaiticus” (fourth century), found by Tischendorf in the convent of St. Catherine, on Mount Sinai, in 1844 and 1849, now part at Leipzig and in part in St. Petersburg; they are all written in uncials.”


Hence we see that the Septuagint today is not from during the time of Jesus. The earliest manuscript dates to the fourth century some 300 years after Jesus. Thus no Christian can claim that the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers) which they have today in the Bible is the same as to what was present in the Septuagint during the time of Jesus.

So pilgrim, how come the Gospel in existence today is the same as that of Jesus when it was written after him?

Stop your deceit because it has not worked with me and it will never work. The more you lie, the more your falsehood is exposed.

Lest I forget, your attention is needed here
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-101571.0.html[/s]

WHERE is the verse from the Qur'an where Allah said he gave the Qur'an to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures?

@babs787,

Can you please show the VERSE where Allah ever said what you attributed to his qur'an?

Rewind and read:

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If you want to compare the various Muslim translations of the many references, let me help you with a few Qur'an verses to see the FACT that the Qur'an claims that it came to CONFIRM the Jewish and Christian Scriptures - especially the Torah and the Injil - in the Bible. Of course, there are so many references saying the same thing in the Qur'an; but I shall offer only a few for now.

In no place has the Qur'an made the claim (of "correcting" by which you tried to hornswoggle readers on the Forum, and it would be best that you cease from spouting the lies that have become your second nature!

Here are samples of such references in the Qur'an which claimed to have come to "CONFIRM" the Biblical scriptures:


Reference #1: (Qur'an 2 v 41)

Qur'an[b]: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 41

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And believe in that which I reveal,
confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture),
and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations
for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.

Yusuf Ali
And believe in what I reveal,
confirming the revelation which is with you,
and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs
for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Hilali-Khan
And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'an),
confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve
therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and
the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by
selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone.
(Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page 253).

Shakir
And believe in what I have revealed,
verifying that which is with you,
and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price
in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone
should you fear.

Khalifa
You shall believe in what I have revealed herein,
confirming what you have;
do not be the first to reject it. Do not trade away
My revelations for a cheap price, and observe Me.

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Reference #2: (Qur'an 2 v 89)

Qur'an[b]: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 89

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And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah,
confirming that in their possession - though before that
they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved
- and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be
the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Yusuf Ali
And when there comes to them a Book from God,
confirming what is with them, - although from of old
they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,
- when there comes to them that which they (should) have
recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God
is on those without Faith.

Hilali-Khan
And when there came to them (the Jews),
a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah
confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had
invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him)
in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when
there came to them that which they had recognised,
they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on
the disbelievers

Shakir
And when there came to them a Book from Allah
verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used
to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when
there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize,
they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.

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Reference #3: (Qur'an 2 v 91)

Qur'an[b]: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 91


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And when it is said unto them: Believe in that which
Allah hath revealed, they say: We believe in that which
was revealed unto us. And they disbelieve in that which
cometh after it, though it is the truth confirming that
which they possess. Say (unto them, O Muhammad):
Why then slew ye the prophets of Allah aforetime, if ye are
(indeed) believers?

Yusuf Ali
When it is said to them, "Believe in what God Hath sent down,"
they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:" yet they
reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with
them. Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of God in times
gone by, if ye did indeed believe?"

Hilali-Khan
And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah
has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down
to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it
is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad
Peace be upon him to them): "Why then have you killed the Prophets
of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?"

Shakir
And when it is said to them, Believe in what Allah has revealed,
they say: We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they
deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that
which they have. Say: Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets
before if you were indeed believers?

In all the preceding verses from the Qur'an, where did 'Allah' or Muhammad ever claim that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical Scriptures, babs787? Why are you buying into the duplicity of your Muslim propagandists without carefully checking out what they are claiming?!? Or is lying for 'Allah' the best next thing that your scholars can do to cover up Muhammad's fallacies?

This is what Muslim translators agree that Allah said:

Qur'an: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.2, verse 41

Shakir
And believe in what I have revealed,
verifying that which IS with you,
and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price
in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone
should you fear.

Qur'an: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.2, verse 89

Shakir
And when there came to them a Book from Allah
verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used
to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when
there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize,
they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.

Qur'an: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap. 2, verse 91

Shakir
And when it is said to them, Believe in what Allah has revealed,
they say: We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they
deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that
which they have. Say: Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets
before if you were indeed believers?

Is it getting TOO HARD for you to find the verse that uses the word "CORRECT" instead of "CONFIRM" or "VERIFY"?

@pilgrim.1

Qur'an: سورة البقرة Al-Baqara, Chap.2, verse 41

Shakir
And believe in what I have revealed,
verifying that which IS with you,
and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price
in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone
should you fear.

Since you failed in understanding simple statement, let us use another approach to understanding the above verse.

Questions for you please

1. Who was with revelation Allah made reference to in the above statement?
2. Are you saying the revelation used therein is the same as the one you are having now?

Note; The Quran was revealed 1400 years ago and you have noticed diferent versions flooding the market, some with missing verses, some verses not in the original manuscript(just the one I served you by Somze) and later insertion in later versions.


Come back and deny the corruption of your bible and the Quran confirming early revelations.

@babs787,

I hold ace in this thread, no vex.

You cannot come on board and start your wayo to deviate from my simple request and start asking questions so that later you wil start your convenience game of "oya answer my questions". This is one place you will find that your juju has failed.

The one thing I asked was:

Give me the verse from the qur'an where Allah said he gave the Qur'an to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures.

Have you done that?

So far all I see are excuses upon excuses upon excuses. Please save them for toddlers.

Can you please let me have the verse for the place where you saw Allah speaking of "correcting" the biblical scriptures?

Thank you.

And I like the FACT that you often struggle with English.

When pilgrim.1 makes an observation, believe me. . . I force Muslims to scurry off and change their assertions.

An example, this is what you wrote as your signature:

Die Except As A MUSLIM
Prove me wrong and I'll join URS

I have been keeping quiet about it all along. . . but watch as you will hurry and change it!

Yes, if Jesus tarries, I will die EXCEPT as a Muslim!! Thanks for letting us know!

@pilgrim . 1

@babs787,

I hold ace in this thread, no vex.

You cannot come on board and start your wayo to deviate from my simple request and start asking questions so that later you wil start your convenience game of "oya answer my questions". This is one place you will find that your juju has failed.

The one thing I asked was:

Give me the verse from the qur'an where Allah said he gave the Qur'an to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures.

Have you done that?

So far all I see are excuses upon excuses upon excuses. Please save them for toddlers.

Can you please let me have the verse for the place where you saw Allah speaking of "correcting" the biblical scriptures?

Too bad if you cannot read posts. The verses you hid under have been explained so you have no hiding place.

In case you missed:

Since you failed in understanding simple statement, let us use another approach to understanding the above verse.

Questions for you please

1. Who was with revelation Allah made reference to in the above statement?
2. Are you saying the revelation used therein is the same as the one you are having now?

Note; The Quran was revealed 1400 years ago and you have noticed diferent versions flooding the market, some with missing verses, some verses not in the original manuscript(just the one I served you by Somze) and later insertion in later versions.


Come back and deny the corruption of your bible and the Quran confirming early revelations.

The Quran doesn't state that it is to correct the bible,but to bring d whole of mankind to d worship of 1 God (Allah) motheseim i.e re iterating d message that came b4 it.
The Quran came 2 confirm d messages in d scripture that came before it i.e (injeel to Isa (AS) jesus,Taurat to Musa (AS) n zabur to dawud (AS) david) this are translated as d new testament,scrolls of moses n psalms of david.All this revelations came in hebrew so alteration n revision changed d scripture in question so we cannot say d various verses r talkin bout d modern day KJV of d bible.
d word bible is not mentioned in d Quran. d word "ahlil kitab" (meanin people of d book-literally or learned people-in modern english) is used to denote christains n jews.d correction is not in d scripture as my brother said but in d messege

@Pilgrim.1 and davidylan and Mrpataki: Could anyone of you define, 'Correct?'

Yet again spouting islamic propaganda that has no basis.

9ja:

The Quran doesn't state that it is to correct the bible,but to bring d whole of mankind to d worship of 1 God (Allah) motheseim i.e re iterating d message that came before it.

Reiterating WHAT message? Ogun worshippers worship 1 "god" ditto for hindus . . . what differentiates them from islam?
Are they the messages the quran came to reiterate?

9ja:

The Quran came 2 confirm d messages in d scripture that came before it i.e (injeel to Isa (AS) jesus,Taurat to Musa (AS) n zabur to dawud (AS) david) this are translated as d new testament,scrolls of moses n psalms of david.

1. Where are these messages? Did not mohammed claim that they are now corrupted? Where then are these "scriptures" that muslims are always talking about?

2. Where are the scrolls of moses and the psalms of David IN THE QURAN?

9ja:

All this revelations came in hebrew so alteration n revision changed d scripture in question so we cannot say d various verses r talkin bout d modern day KJV of d bible.

1. False!! Many of the biblical scrolls were found written in aramaic and greek.
2. Where in the quran did allah indicate that he sent any "revelations" to Daniel, Hosea or Micah?
3. If Ishmael was the chosen lineage of allah . . . why then did he completely ignore the ishmealite lineage up until the 12th century AD rather choosing to send his fraudulent "revelations" to jews and in hebrew!

9ja:

d word bible is not mentioned in d Quran. d word "ahlil kitab" (meanin people of d book-literally or learned people-in modern english) is used to denote christains n jews.d correction is not in d scripture as my brother said but in d messege

What "message"? Can someone pls enlighten me on this ambigous "message" muslims love to parrot about?

@Davidylan: If there is a religion that is closer to Ogun or any Idol form of worship between Islam and Christianity, it is Christianity! Islam destroyed 360 idols from the Ka'aba, and others from other locations. Even though Christianity is not reported to have destroyed any physical idol, but even the Idol of the heart and physical idols were erected after Jesus left theearth. Davidylan, you should consider that you are almost as bad as Ogun worshipper. The Idol of the hearts your erecting Jesus in your heart and mind as god along with God. Physical idols are his mother Mary, and other saints, the several type of paintings and indeed the Crucifix/Cross that a large portion of the Christians have hanging on their neck, etc, etc. David, wake up men!

olabowale:

Islam destroyed 360 idols from the Ka'aba, and others from other locations.

No islam destroyed 357 and reserved allah and his two daughters.

olabowale:

Even though Christianity is not reported to have destroyed any physical idol,

Christianity didnt need to destroy idols . . . the sin of idolatry had been instituted since the book of Exodus.

olabowale:

but even the Idol of the heart and physical idols were erected after Jesus left theearth. Davidylan, you should consider that you are almost as bad as Ogun worshipper. The Idol of the hearts your erecting Jesus in your heart and mind as god along with God. Physical idols are his mother Mary, and other saints, the several type of paintings and indeed the Crucifix/Cross that a large portion of the Christians have hanging on their neck, etc, etc. David, wake up men!

Massa olabowale . . . what of the idols of the black stone and the constant looking out for the moon? What of the idol of ur prayer beads? The idols of elevating mohammed to the plane of greater than the lifeless skeleton of a murderer and liar?

You sons of belial ask me to wake up?

@pilgrim.1


You may keep making denials upon denials for all I care but the truth has been established. Since you failed in reading to understand, I decide to go into your favourite Hilali Khan to bring out the verses for you. I pray that you read this time for understanding.


Quran 2 v 14: and who believe in (the quran and the sunnah) which has been sent down (revealed) to you (Muhammad) and in that which were sent down before you (Torah and Gospel) etc and they believe with certainty in the hereafter resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds) Paradise & Hell.


Allah in the above verse made it known to us that the scripture (Torah and Gospel) were sent down before Muhammad. Please, Quran has been Revealed 1400 years ago and can you say the revelation God mentioned therein are still the same as the versions you are holding now?


Quran 2 v 42; and mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal; the truth (Muhammad and His qualities are written in your scriptures, the Torah and Gospel while you know the truth.

The above verse made it known to us that the Revelation given to them is not the same as the one we are having now because we have chapters making reference to Muhammad in which some have been made plain to you but you ignored same due to pride and arrogance.


Quran 2 v 76; and when they (jews) meet those who believe (muslis), they say, 'we believe' but when they meet one another in private, they say 'shall you (jews) tell them (muslims) what Allah has revealed to you (jews about the description and the qualities of Prophet Muhammad) that which are written i the Torah that they (muslims) may argue with you (jews) about it before your Lord? Have you (jews) then no understanding?


Can you beat your chest to it that the revelation you are having now is the same that revealed to the prophets? Let me have your response and I will give you facts that the NT was compiled by pagans!!


Quran 2 v 89: and when there came to them (the jews) a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them, the Torah and Gospel, although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then where there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the curse of Allah be on disbelievers.


Now the above verse says what is with them, are you saying the revelation you are holding now is the same as the one God mentioned in the above verse/ You wouldnt be able to say that because you yourself know that many versions flooded market each claiming to have been from original manuscript but have been having differences here and there.


Quran 2 v 91; and when it is said to them (the jews) 'believe in what Allah has sent down' they say 'we believe in what was sent down to us' and they dsbelieve in that which came after it while it is the truth confirming what is with them. SAY (O Muhammad to themn), 'why then have you killed the prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers.


The Quran indeed came to confirm what was sent earlier and that is the more you tends to read similar accounts from both books. The Quran to confirm that God gave early prophets revelation and you can as well find that in the Quran.


Now if we say that Quran came to comfirm the early revelation, this is what it means:


Quran 2 v 99: and indeed we have sent down to you manifest Ayat (these verses of the Quran which inform in detail about the news of the Jews and their secret intentions etc and none disbelieve in them but those who rebel against Allah's command.


Quran 2 v 101: and when there came to them a Messenger from ALLAH (Muhammad) confirming what was with them, a party of those who were given the scripture threw away the Book of Allah behind their back as if they did not know.

Quran 2 v 146; those to whom we gave the scripture (jews and christians) recosgnise him (Muhammad or the Kabah at Makah) as they recognise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it (qualities of Muhammad written in Torah and Gospel)


Hope you understand, no game this time.

You may read Jeremiah 8 v 8 and Deuterenomy 31 v 25 - 29 for the corruption of the revelation.


Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"


These are the verses on the corruption of othe revelation:


Quran 5:13 from the Noble Quran: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."


Quran 5:41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."

Let me wait for your denial again.

babs787:

@pilgrim.1


[s]You may keep making denials upon denials for all I care but the truth has been established. Since you failed in reading to understand, I decide to go into your favourite Hilali Khan to bring out the verses for you. I pray that you read this time for understanding.


Quran 2 v 14: and who believe in (the quran and the sunnah) which has been sent down (revealed) to you (Muhammad) and in that which were sent down before you (Torah and Gospel) etc and they believe with certainty in the hereafter resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds) Paradise & Hell.


Allah in the above verse made it known to us that the scripture (Torah and Gospel) were sent down before Muhammad. Please, Quran has been Revealed 1400 years ago and can you say the revelation God mentioned therein are still the same as the versions you are holding now?


Quran 2 v 42; and mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal; the truth (Muhammad and His qualities are written in your scriptures, the Torah and Gospel while you know the truth.

The above verse made it known to us that the Revelation given to them is not the same as the one we are having now because we have chapters making reference to Muhammad in which some have been made plain to you but you ignored same due to pride and arrogance.


Quran 2 v 76; and when they (jews) meet those who believe (muslis), they say, 'we believe' but when they meet one another in private, they say 'shall you (jews) tell them (muslims) what Allah has revealed to you (jews about the description and the qualities of Prophet Muhammad) that which are written i the Torah that they (muslims) may argue with you (jews) about it before your Lord? Have you (jews) then no understanding?


Can you beat your chest to it that the revelation you are having now is the same that revealed to the prophets? Let me have your response and I will give you facts that the NT was compiled by pagans!!


Quran 2 v 89: and when there came to them (the jews) a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them, the Torah and Gospel, although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then where there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the curse of Allah be on disbelievers.


Now the above verse says what is with them, are you saying the revelation you are holding now is the same as the one God mentioned in the above verse/ You wouldnt be able to say that because you yourself know that many versions flooded market each claiming to have been from original manuscript but have been having differences here and there.


Quran 2 v 91; and when it is said to them (the jews) 'believe in what Allah has sent down' they say 'we believe in what was sent down to us' and they dsbelieve in that which came after it while it is the truth confirming what is with them. SAY (O Muhammad to themn), 'why then have you killed the prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers.


The Quran indeed came to confirm what was sent earlier and that is the more you tends to read similar accounts from both books. The Quran to confirm that God gave early prophets revelation and you can as well find that in the Quran.


Now if we say that Quran came to comfirm the early revelation, this is what it means:


Quran 2 v 99: and indeed we have sent down to you manifest Ayat (these verses of the Quran which inform in detail about the news of the Jews and their secret intentions etc and none disbelieve in them but those who rebel against Allah's command.


Quran 2 v 101: and when there came to them a Messenger from ALLAH (Muhammad) confirming what was with them, a party of those who were given the scripture threw away the Book of Allah behind their back as if they did not know.

Quran 2 v 146; those to whom we gave the scripture (jews and christians) recosgnise him (Muhammad or the Kabah at Makah) as they recognise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it (qualities of Muhammad written in Torah and Gospel)


Hope you understand, no game this time.

You may read Jeremiah 8 v 8 and Deuterenomy 31 v 25 - 29 for the corruption of the revelation.


Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"


These are the verses on the corruption of othe revelation:


Quran 5:13 from the Noble Quran: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."


Quran 5:41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."

Let me wait for your denial again.[/s]

@babs787,

I have told you several times: no games here - and as many times as you try to play the Islamic convenience games, that is how many times I will simply rule them out UNTIL you simply quote the VERSE in THE QUR'AN where Allah said he gave the Qur'an to come and correct the Biblical scriptures!

Your direct assertion was that the Qur'ab came to correct the Biblical scriptures, and I simply want the direct verse in the Qur'an for that assertion.

Until you find me that verse, none of the false assumptions of your Muslim apologists (who are fond of duplicity) will avail here! If you CANNOT find the verse where Allah said he gave the Qur'an to come and "CORRECT" the Biblical scriptures, please svae all the other LIES you have tried again and again to postulate here!

The ONLY reason that would interest me in considering the various dubious statements from your Muslim commentators is this:

(a) it is either their word against Allah's Qur'an

OR

(b) their excuses are made to apologise for the fraud in the Qur'an.

Which of them do you offer?

I will repeat the simple request subsequently, just in case you pretend not to have noticed.

@babs787,

Here is the repetition of my request:

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Now, @babs787,

When you resume from your blabbing adventures of LYING for 'Allah', please answer these questions and let us know where the references in the Qur'an are. There are only two simple request I will make for now (and others have been asking you to answer them):


#1.

For example, it was the same babs787 who lied to the public on this Forum that the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was lost - see again:

IS THE QURAN WRONG IN STATING THAT THE TORAH WAS LOST OR CORRUPTED?

(Source: babs787's assertion in another thread)

Can we ask babs787 to please kindly quote where the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was LOST! Without the usual drama of long stories, WHERE did the Qur'an "STATE" that the Torah was LOST, babs787?

#2.

Can you please QUOTE THE VERSE from the QUR'AN where Allah said that the Qur'an came to CORRECT (instead of "CONFIRM" the Biblical scriptures?

Answers please. . . and we can then know how far you want to take these LIES for Allah to wayo people on the Forum!

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WHY is it taking you FOREVER to simply quote the verses for your assertions above, babs787? All the verses you quoted so far are simply saying the very thing I stated:

The Qur'an purports to have come to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures

The Qur'an never said that it came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures!

UNTIL you can find the verse for your assertions, ALL your excuses are simply a waste of internet space!

Hello @9ja,

9ja:

The Quran doesn't state that it is to correct the bible,

First, thank you for affirming that the Qur'an did NOT state that it is to CORRECT the Bible!

I wonder then why Muslims like to make claims that are directly opposite to what is stated in the Qur'an - and then when they are asked to provide the verses for their assertions, all we get are stories that circle round the simple questions, so that it takes them forever to answer those questions!

9ja:

but to bring d whole of mankind to d worship of 1 God (Allah) motheseim

That is not what this thread is about here, please. I absolutely reject any diversions to deviate from the main concern of this thread - which is once again to bring Muslims here and bleach them of every colour and stain with which they have accustomed their hearts in misleading the public! That is the reason why I refuse to listen to any stories babs787 may offer here as a cover-up for the false statements he made on this subject!

9ja:

i.e re iterating d message that came before it.

Thank you plenty-plenty! "Reiterating" is akin to "confirming" - as the Qur'an says in the verses already quoted in the various replies! There is no sleight of hand that could magically make "reiterating" read as "correcting" - please go and find out if you find it otherwise and let us know!

9ja:

The Quran came 2 confirm d messages in d scripture that came before it i.e (injeel to Isa (AS) jesus,Taurat to Musa (AS) n zabur to dawud (AS) david) this are translated as d new testament,scrolls of moses n psalms of david.

Again, thank you for affirming what the Qur'an itself states! But there again, thank you for letting us know that the "message" that it came to "CONFIRM" is the NEW TESTAMENT!!

If it came to "confirm" the New Testament, then it did NOT come to "correct" the same NT!

9ja:

All this revelations came in hebrew so alteration n revision changed d scripture in question so we cannot say d various verses r talkin bout d modern day KJV of d bible.

Sorry, I haven't mentioned the KJV of the Bible - which is only a "translation". There are as many versions and translations of the Bible as there are of the Qur'an out there in the market. If your problem is with the KJV of the Bible, we can sympathise with you. But NOT ONCE did the Qur'an even mention that it came to "correct" the KJV!

9ja:

d word bible is not mentioned in d Quran.

The word "Bible" is mentioned in the hadiths!

9ja:

d word "ahlil kitab" (meanin people of d book-literally or learned people-in modern english) is used to denote christains n jews.

I hear. Please inform olabowale and co that Christians and Jews are LEARNED people - I've said it so many times, but they often have a churning in their stomach whenever I quote the evrse in the Qur'an that points this out!

9ja:

d correction is not in d scripture as my brother said but in d messege

The Qur'an did not mention either that it came to "correct" the message!

What your 'brother' said is directly OPPOSITE to what 'Allah' claimed and no doubt, he has been following the leading of the Muslim apologists who have been deceiving the public and their ummah for eons!

Please 9ja, please. . . if the Qur'an ever said that it came to "correct" the MESSAGE, just do me the favour of quoting the VERSE in the Qur'an where 'Allah' said so!

Where did the Qur'an state that it came to "CORRECT" the "message"?!?

I am waiting with many thanks when you find that verse as well! Or your 'brother' is going to keep entertaining us with the same deceit he began with!

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Pilgrim.1 and davidylan and Mrpataki: Could anyone of you define, 'Correct?'

Please don't humour me with this drivel.

If you are intellectually challenged and you no longer understand the meaning of the simple word you are asking, then please let us know!

Did your Qur'an ever use the word "correct" or "confirm" in the verses quoted so far? WHERE did Allah tell you that he gave the Qur'an in order to "correct" the Biblical scriptures?

This is how you seek to divert the core concerns of a thread - so that with your bloviates you will only hope to tire out readers to lose sight of the subject under discussion!

If you have anything tangible to offer from the Qur'an where 'Allah' said the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures, then please say on! If otherwise, please leave this thread as neatly as you met it before you receive another bleaching!

@davidylan,

I can't resist thanking you for enlightening these gentlemen once again - especially olabowale!

It is appaling to revisit this thread and see how pettish their rants are! Just a simple question of "Where Did The Qur'an Say So?" and they are still ducking their heads in the Arabian sand? Are we to conclude now that the Qur'an is also LOST because they can no longer find the verse for their assertions?

Haa! "Please gee me the verse" has been my only request here in this thread O. . . and Muhammad's footsoldiers still haven't found it yet?!? Na wah!

@pilgrim.1

If you are intellectually challenged and you no longer understand the meaning of the simple word you are asking, then please let us know!

Did your Qur'an ever use the word "correct" or "confirm" in the verses quoted so far? WHERE did Allah tell you that he gave the Qur'an in order to "correct" the Biblical scriptures?

Since you ignored the questions asked, let me re-present them again mayube you didnt see them:




1. Please, Quran has been Revealed 1400 years ago and can you say the revelation God mentioned therein are still the same as the versions you are holding now?

Quran 2 v 42; and mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal; the truth (Muhammad and His qualities are written in your scriptures, the Torah and Gospel while you know the truth.

The above verse made it known to us that the Revelation given to them is not the same as the one we are having now because we have chapters making reference to Muhammad in which some have been made plain to you but you ignored same due to pride and arrogance.



2. Can you beat your chest to it that the revelation you are having now is the same that revealed to the prophets? Let me have your response and I will give you facts that the NT was compiled by pagans!!

Quran 2 v 89: and when there came to them (the jews) a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them, the Torah and Gospel, although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then where there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the curse of Allah be on disbelievers.


3. Now the above verse says what is with them, are you saying the revelation you are holding now is the same as the one God mentioned in the above verse/ You wouldnt be able to say that because you yourself know that many versions flooded market each claiming to have been from original manuscript but have been having differences here and there.



The Quran indeed came to confirm what was sent earlier and that is the more you tends to read similar accounts from both books. The Quran to confirm that God gave early prophets revelation and you can as well find that in the Quran.

Now if we say that Quran came to comfirm the early revelation, this is what it means:


Quran 2 v 99: and indeed we have sent down to you manifest Ayat (these verses of the Quran which inform in detail about the news of the Jews and their secret intentions etc and none disbelieve in them but those who rebel against Allah's command.


Quran 2 v 101: and when there came to them a Messenger from ALLAH (Muhammad) confirming what was with them, a party of those who were given the scripture threw away the Book of Allah behind their back as if they did not know.

Quran 2 v 146; those to whom we gave the scripture (jews and christians) recosgnise him (Muhammad or the Kabah at Makah) as they recognise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it (qualities of Muhammad written in Torah and Gospel)


Hope you understand, no game this time.

You may read Jeremiah 8 v 8 and Deuterenomy 31 v 25 - 29 for the corruption of the revelation.


Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"


These are the verses on the corruption of othe revelation:


Quran 5:13 from the Noble Quran: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."


Quran 5:41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."

Pretend as if you didnt see the post again.

@babs787,

babs787:

@pilgrim.1

Since you ignored the questions asked, let me re-present them again mayube you didnt see them:

I asked you just two questions. WHERE have you answered them by simply quoting the verses requested?

All the verses YOU have quoted so far are pointing out that the Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures, rather than to "correct" them!

If you are intellectually challenged, hiding behind the usual Islamic games of "answer my questions" is a waste of time here. I asked you simple questions and I'm still waiting for your answers - please attend to them in simple terms instead of dribbling round with fallacious story lines to cover up your lying for 'Allah'.

@babs787,

babs787:

The Quran indeed came to confirm what was sent earlier and that is the more you tends to read similar accounts from both books. The Quran to confirm that God gave early prophets revelation and you can as well find that in the Quran.

This is simply saying the very thing I have said every single time! The Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures and not to "correct" them.

Since you asserted that it came to "correct" rather than confirm them, please simply be a man and provide the verse(s) where 'Allah' said the Qur'an came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures!

Instead of the long stories (which actually dribble round to buttress MY POINT), why are you finding it forever difficult to find the VERSE that uses the word "correct"?!? You have only come round to validate my point by saying that "The Quran indeed came to confirm what was sent earlier". . . rather than correct them!

In other words, you have only defeated your bloviates, proven yourself even far more dubious than your previous adventures, and ended up agreeing that the Qur'an did not come to "correct" the biblical scriptures!

babs787:

Now if we say that Quran came to comfirm the early revelation, this is what it means:

Quran 2 v 99: and indeed we have sent down to you manifest Ayat (these verses of the Quran which inform in detail about the news of the Jews and their secret intentions etc and none disbelieve in them but those who rebel against Allah's command.

Lol. . . sounding even more desperate! Abeg look again at your "explanation" for the meaning of the Qur'an coming to "confirm" early REVELATION! Instead of finding a verse for what you asserted, you diverted into something else!

Is "the news of the Jews and their secret intentions etc" the same thing as the Biblical scriptures of "Torah and Injil"? Do you see how further confused your cover-up adventures are?

That is why every single time you offer such bloviates, I simply cross them out and ask the same question:

Find me the verse where 'Allah' said the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical SCRIPTURES!

You have searched in vain and yet found that 'Allah' never said so! The topic of this thread is: "Babs787, Where Did The Qur'an Say So?" Just where did the Qur'an say that it came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures, hmm??!?

Keep entertaining us - because as many times as you come with your stories, I will simply cross them out and ask the same thing UNTIL you find me the verses I requested! No juju you bring here will do you any good!

@davidylan

THE MESSAGE IS BELIEVE N WORSHIP 0NE (1) GOD
monotheism:one God
i believe the 1st commandment was:Thou shalt worship no other god or Thou shalt have no other gods.
-Ogun (or Ogoun, Ogum, Ogou) is a loa and orisha, who presides over fire, iron, hunting, politics and war. He is the patron of smiths and is usually displayed with his attributes: machete or sabre, rum and tobacco. He is one of the husbands of Erzulie and is a husband of Osun and Oya in Yoruba mythology (wikipedia).my bro marriage aint for God n if he presided over just a mentioned part of human endeavor who takes care of others.
- hindu concept of God-Hinduism is a diverse system of thought with beliefs spanning monotheism, polytheism,panentheism, pantheism, monism and atheism. It is sometimes referred to as henotheistic (devotion to a single God while accepting the existence of other gods), but any such term is an oversimplification of the complexities and variations of belief (wikipedia). It believes in an overall God but still believe everything is God.

scrolls of moses n psalms were not reviewed in quran it was mentioned that they both were given scriptures,so personally i dont know where they r right now.

language of the bible
aramaic is an old semitic language close related to both hebrew and arabic.
The Jewish Bible is the Hebrew Scriptures, 39 books originally written in Hebrew, except for a few sections in Aramaic.
( Encarta ® Encyclopedia) so my apologies 4d approximation. while d new testament was composed in greek.

D Quran is not a re-write of d bible so not all prophets mentioned in the bible reappear in d quran.

Concernin d leanage of ismael-God is d all knowing an d he does whatever pleases him no questions asked.


@d house
happy new year.
guess i was miss understood i didn't say d quran came to confirm d bible (KJV n d rest) but d sriptures that were given to those prophets i mentioned.translatin it from aramaic/hebrew,greek,latin,english,revisin alters d words of God.we cant do away with d whole modern bible cos it's a mix of God's words n translational errors (i.e in d present day bible there r still parts of d original scriptures).we dont have d original books from d scriptures so pls dont ask me where it is.

pls guys n chicks its a discussion 4rum not argument session,d whole essence is 2 learn n have fun not try 2 diminish religions.
abeg make una manage my english,i 4 write 4 local dialect but this na forum 4 every

9ja:

@davidylan

THE MESSAGE IS BELIEVE N WORSHIP 0NE (1) GOD
monotheism:one God

This is a very ambigous "message" . . . it says nothing about that "god", it does not reveal his nature neither tells us WHY we should worship him. Any religion can claim this as a "message".

9ja:

i believe the 1st commandment was:Thou shalt worship no other god or Thou shalt have no other gods.

Is this in your quran? I would advise that you dont trip ur own feet, down below you are quick to tell us the bible is mistranslated so how then can you be quoting it to advance ur quran?

9ja:

scrolls of moses n psalms were not reviewed in quran it was mentioned that they both were given scriptures,so personally i don't know where they r right now.

and where are the "scriptures" allah claimed to have given them? did mohammad lose them? Until you can produce them you or other muslims have NO RIGHT to cry about a corrupt bible.

9ja:

D Quran is not a re-write of d bible so not all prophets mentioned in the bible reappear in d quran.

ALL prophets that "appear" in the quran were only included in a bid to legitimise the quran. Their messages are no where to be found in the quran and where they are mentioned, the quran appears vague on their history and functions.

9ja:

Concernin d leanage of ismael-God is d all knowing an d he does whatever pleases him no questions asked.

same old excuse.

9ja:

guess i was miss understood i didn't say d quran came to confirm d bible (KJV n d rest) but d sriptures that were given to those prophets i mentioned.translatin it from aramaic/hebrew,greek,latin,english,revisin alters d words of God.we can't do away with d whole modern bible because it's a mix of God's words n translational errors (i.e in d present day bible there r still parts of d original scriptures).we don't have d original books from d scriptures so please don't ask me where it is.

Christians have the original scrolls . . . it is muslims who cant find the alleged "scriptures" allah claimed to have sent. They shld find their own first before talking gullibly about translational errors.

My dear @Nigeria,

I'm sure that davidylan has responded eruditely to your post. However, although I commend the calmness of your persuasions, I should like to add a few things as well to help contextualize our discussion in this thread. Rather than my usual line-by-line response, allow me to just refer to the salient points (so I don't run the risk of repeating davidylan's fine points).

Nigeria:

THE MESSAGE IS BELIEVE N WORSHIP 0NE (1) GOD

Even so, is that what the Qur'an came to "correct" - or rather "confirm"?

The one reason why I opened this thread was to request babs787 to proffer a single verse for his assertion that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures. If there was any verse for that idea, I am still requesting Muslims to kindly post that verse so that we can move on from there! So far, the verses already posted are yet only validating what I have said until I lost count:

The Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures!

Not in one instance does the Qur'an remotely give the idea that it came to "correct" the scriptures of the Jews and Christians!

Nigeria:

scrolls of moses n psalms were not reviewed in quran it was mentioned that they both were given scriptures,so personally i don't know where they r right now.

UNTIL Muslims find those scrolls and the Psalms, it will continue to be a futile argument on their part to castigate the Biblical scriptures.

The easiest thing for most Muslims today is to argue that nobody knows where those same scriptures are. My singular solution to that misconception is that they should realize the Qur'an was referring to the very same Biblical scriptures in Muhammad's day that he said he believed in and reverred!

Sunan AbuDawud, Book 38, Num. 4434:
. . They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him)
who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then
withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying:
I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee!

The one question I have been asking is this: what Torah did Muhammad claim that he believed in?

That was the same Torah that was in the possession of the Jews during Muhammad's time - and if Muslims are going to be honest, they will find that the same Torah has remained with the Jews until this very day! It was never LOST; and not even babs787 has been able to find the verse(s) where he claimed that the Qur'an stated that it was LOST!

Further, it would interest you to know that the same thing applies to the Zabur (the Psalms of David),  the Injil (the Gospels) and the other Biblical scriptures - none of them was LOST; and those who say that the Qur'an was stating that it (the Torah) was LOST are only lying through their yellow teeth - and they know it!

That was why I titled this thread in a very simple way: WHERE does the Qr'an say so?  If they cannot find those verses for their assertions that "the Qur'an stated" it so, then no volume of story-telling will atone for the fallacy of that statement!

@9ja,

9ja:

D Quran is not a re-write of d bible so not all prophets mentioned in the bible reappear in d quran.

Nobody has claimed that the Qur'an was a re-write of the Bible. If anything at all, I have said that the claims in the Qur'an where Muhammad purported to have believed in ALL the prophets of the Bible are FALSE! The one thing that this thread is dealing with is the assertion that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures, rather than actually coming to "confirm" them! That was why I carefully took the time to enunciate the meaning of "confirm" on the first page of this thread before requesting severally that babs787 (or any learned Muslim for that matter) should offer me the verse for the assertion of the Qur'an claiming to have come to "correct" the Biblical scriptures!

So far, that request has proven more than an embarrassment to our Muslim propagandists; and all we have read from them are the verses from the Qur'an that buttress my point that the Qur'an purports to have come to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures - the very same Biblical scriptures that Muhammad handled in his day! What the Muslim propagandist should tell us is WHEN exactly did they disappear from existence for them to have claimed they were LOST?

9ja:

Concernin d leanage of ismael-God is d all knowing an d he does whatever pleases him no questions asked.

If God does whatever pleases Him and "no questions asked", how is it that Muslims are the very ones who break that same tenet and rather begin to ask questions every so often? I just simply want to know why Muslims are never consistent in their claims.

9ja:

please guys n chicks its a discussion 4rum not argument session,d whole essence is 2 learn n have fun not try 2 diminish religions.
abeg make una manage my english,i 4 write 4 local dialect but this na forum 4 every

Unfortunately, the posts and rejoinders from Muslims have proven that they are not willing to learn, but rather choose to have fun in their weak efforts to diminish other people's religion. And that is why we often keep quiet. . . until the time comes for us to bleach the rascal assumptions and decorative farce from Muslim propagandists who try to force 'Allah' to say what he never said!

#1.

For example, it was the same babs787 who lied to the public on this Forum that the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was lost - see again:

IS THE QURAN WRONG IN STATING THAT THE TORAH WAS LOST OR CORRUPTED?

(Source: babs787's assertion in another thread)

Can we ask babs787 to please kindly quote where the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was LOST! Without the usual drama of long stories, WHERE did the Qur'an "STATE" that the Torah was LOST, babs787?

#2.

Can you please QUOTE THE VERSE from the QUR'AN where Allah said that the Qur'an came to CORRECT (instead of "CONFIRM" the Biblical scriptures?

Answers please. . . and we can then know how far you want to take these LIES for Allah to wayo people on the Forum!

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WHY is it taking you FOREVER to simply quote the verses for your assertions above, babs787? All the verses you quoted so far are simply saying the very thing I stated:

The Qur'an purports to have come to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures

The Qur'an never said that it came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures!

UNTIL you can find the verse for your assertions, ALL your excuses are simply a waste of internet space!

davidylan:


Christians have the original scrolls . . . it is muslims who can't find the alleged "scriptures" allah claimed to have sent. They shld find their own first before talking gullibly about translational errors.

Man 10Q 4d enlightenment on d scroll that d xtains still have,cld u pls send me a copy of d scroll or any of it parts so can increase my knowledge.my E mail is -theonemohammed@yahoo.com.

happy '08

If the New Testament declares that there are 3 gods or godheads, take your pick, and Qur'an says there is no three God, but One God, is this not correction? There are still many parts of the NT that the Qur'an rejects, as it has a different opinion. This is correction. I asked the pundit to define correct or if they wish correction. Davidylan, has become empty barrel and I am losing respect in his veracity. I had hoped that he will be true to form, since he calls himself a Tiger. But its is Tony the Tigre that is showing up, these days.