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It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by BigB11(m): 1:36pm On Jul 31, 2008
It is clear to all that McCain and the republicans are very bitter and desperate.
And I hate to admit that the game has just started, they are determined to terrify and discourage voters from seeing the light by bashing Obama on a regular.
They are well aware that Obama's style is absolutely incompatible with fighting dirty (Obama has effectively presented himself as the new, clean and civilized way of politics; but I'm not sure if this will work at this point).

This is why I've picked Hillary as his running mate. Obama can not afford to pick another clean gentleman as his VP; they both will be fried dry by the Dirty Republicans.

Hillary has the skill, the stamina and she's also well known as an effective and experienced queen "B" of the democratic party.
She is the best entity to attack McCain's camp effectively, while Obama continues to focus more on constructive policies that will restore things back to normal in United States.

At this point, Obama can not afford to be distracted by the cheap shot being thrown by the republicans, and he can not change his magnificent strategy that he has been using for the past few months.

You can not be a pastor and also be a gang-star rapper all at the same time. You either be a clean and refined politician or you don't. It simply sends wrong messages and turns-off your supporters if you try to mix things up.

As real politicians, the past must be buried; Hillary Clinton should be immediately picked to do what she does best; anything else will be too risky.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by SeanT21(f): 1:54am On Aug 01, 2008
It is clear That McCain and His Cabinets are so damn desperate. They are accusing Obama of all these foolish things like Raising Gas Prices. How the hell did he raise Gas Prices?

They are comparing him to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. What does this have to do with the Politics?

Desperate Measures calls for Desperate Decisions

Obama should not pick HC as his running mate. Picking Hillary shows that he is weak and Can not stand alone. Its time for him to move forward.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by motunrayo4(f): 2:02am On Aug 01, 2008
I dont think he should pick Hillary as his running mate. . . .America is not ready for all of that.
It's enough we're getting a black president but a black president AND a woman vice president? NO. . . . .
EXACTLTY. . . . . When I saw that ad. . . . . I got soo furious angry

SeanT21:

It is clear That McCain and His Cabinets are so damn desperate. They are accusing Obama of all these foolish things like Raising Gas Prices. How the hell did he raise Gas Prices?

They are comparing him to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. What does this have to do with the Politics?

Desperate Measures calls for Desperate Decisions

Obama should not pick HC as his running mate. Picking Hillary shows that he is weak and Can not stand alone. Its time for him to move forward.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by TayoD1(m): 5:18am On Aug 01, 2008
@SeanT21,

It is clear That McCain and His Cabinets are so damn desperate. They are accusing Obama of all these foolish things like Raising Gas Prices. How the hell did he raise Gas Prices?
No where did they accuse him of raising gas prices excpet indirectly through his toeing his Party position of blocking the drilling of America's domestic oil. Can someone tell me any other nation who deprives itself of its natural resources apart form the US? And it is all because of these Democrats who are under the strranglehold of the environental wackos.

They are comparing him to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. What does this have to do with the Politics?
You are smart enough to see the link, unless of course you choose to deny it. Obama is no more than a celebrity - all noise no substance. Can you imagine the guy saying today that all Americans need to do is tune up their cars and put air in their tires and we would have saved as much oil as we would have got from drilling. Can any of you his supporters defend such a statement?

Desperate Measures calls for Desperate Decisions
Obama and his media fans are surely desperate. McCain has caught up with him on all polls condcuted despite Obama's celebrity trip around the world. Obama is now so desperate that he has begun to play the race card. This past week alone and as recent as yesterday, he declared that the Republicans are out to declare him unfit for the presidency just because he does not look like other Presidents on the dollar. This is so shameful. His accusation that Bill Clinton was racist got Bill so angry and he rightly declared that from memos he's seen, Obama was planning to use the issue of race from the very start. This is the guy you all are saying is above board?

Obama should not pick HC as his running mate. Picking Hillary shows that he is weak and Can not stand alone. Its time for him to move forward.
Of course Obama cannot stand alone. He needs the media to continue to prop him up and protect him form tough questioning and hostile audience. He declined John McCain's invitation to Town Hall meetings where questions will not be vetted and could come from anyone. Now he is asking for modalities in the debates. This guy is an empty shell.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by SeanT21(f): 8:27am On Aug 01, 2008
The trip That Obama made to Those foreign Countries was influenced By McCain. He accused Obama of having no Foreign Experience. So Obama toke the trip to interact and meet with world leaders. It is not his fault that The World Loves Him? He can not help what the world think of him

How are You gonna suppost This Idiot John McCain. He says he has foreign Policy but He did not even know That Iraq and Pakistan Do not have a border in common. He flip Flops on everthing. Just Last week He wanted to Raise Taxes, This morning on MSNBC he back out of the statement.

Obama did not have to use Race as an issue. FOX were the ones that did it.

McCain is another Bush clone. His attacks against Obama has no substance. He calls himself a war hero. The last time I check his plane got shot down and he was taken in as a prisoner. HIS JOB WAS NOT DONE!!

I can not wait to see how McCain is gonna face Obama in the debates to come. WHEN HE TALKS, I FALL ASLEEP!!
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by TayoD1(m): 12:59pm On Aug 01, 2008
SeanT21,

The trip That Obama made to Those foreign Countries was influenced By McCain. He accused Obama of having no Foreign Experience. So Obama toke the trip to interact and meet with world leaders. It is not his fault that The World Loves Him? He can not help what the world think of him
What do you mean he accused Obama? That is no accusation but a statement of fact. You just have to twist and misread everything that McCain said. I get it, you do not like him. He is indeed a world celebrity like Paris Hilton and Britney spears. I can't compare him to a celebrity like Bono, buecause Bono's got more substance and not only articulates but have a track record of successful actions.

How are You going to suppost This Idiot John McCain. He says he has foreign Policy but He did not even know That Iraq and Pakistan Do not have a border in common. He flip Flops on everthing. Just Last week He wanted to Raise Taxes, This morning on MSNBC he back out of the statement.
That is what liberals and their likes are wont to do. Reduce every argument to insults. Call him whatever names you want, McCain is going to be America's next President. McCain and Barack had same opportunity in the Senate to support the counterinsurgency plan that has led to a drastic reductionof violence in Iraq. Guess who made the right call - McCain. Though Obama cries he was against the war from the very beginning. That was easier to do when you were not on the Senate, even though he has voted to fund the same war over and over again. What a hypocrite.

Obama did not have to use Race as an issue. FOX were the ones that did it.
You must be from another planet, or have you taken Obama has your saviour such that you cannot even see the games he is playing. He played the race card on Bill Clinton who is on record declaring that Obama labeled him a racist. Bill even went further to say Obama did it intentionally to win a political advantage. last I checked, Bill is not a Fox News contributor. So what do you make of the following Obama's statements.

1. Calling his grandmother a typical white person who is prejudice.
2. White people clinging to their guns and religion, with antipathy towards people who don't look like them.

McCain is another Bush clone.
Last time I checked, McCain stood up against Bush's choice of Judges, he initially stood against Bush's tax cut and has consistently criticised the way the war is waged. Please tell me one issue that Obama stood on principles and against his Party's parochial interests.

His attacks against Obama has no substance.
What attack if I may ask. McCain is only toeing the path that Obama did. Obama has been campaigning with the message that McCain is another Bush, even though this is a lie. Why do you think they call McCain the maverick? In cany case, McCain paid Obama back in his own coin by comparing him to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, and this comparison is much more apt than McCain to Bush.

He calls himself a war hero. The last time I check his plane got shot down and he was taken in as a prisoner. HIS JOB WAS NOT DONE!!
I can see you have been so influenced by the Democrats that you belittle the sacirfices of our war heroes. Let me give you an assignment - go find out what happened after he was shot down and tell me if that is not worthy of honour. This is so typical of you guys. Obama recently too gave kudos to every body but our troops in regards to the violence that has been curtailed in Iraq.

I can not wait to see how McCain is going to face Obama in the debates to come. WHEN HE TALKS, I FALL ASLEEP!!
It is Obama I pity. He ran away from a no-holds-barred town meeting with McCain instead choosing to campaign through the delivery of prepared speches and asnwering questions that were approved by him before hand. Now he is seeking to do the same with John McCain. We wee see the empty suit he really is when direct questions are tabled to him. The Republican debates were much more interesting thatn the Democratic ones anyway - it was much more intellectually stimulating.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by BigB11(m): 1:06pm On Aug 01, 2008
@Tayo-D:

Are you telling us that you're supporting McCain? If so,
Could you please list your reasons?

I love to learn something new.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by BigB11(m): 1:39pm On Aug 01, 2008
I can not wait to see how McCain is going to face Obama in the debates to come. WHEN HE TALKS, I FALL ASLEEP!!

When he talks, I'm in pain.
It's so intensely dismaying to watch him on the TV.

This man reads everything and still can't get it right; the debates will be very interesting.
This is why it is crucial to do the debates at the last minute (may be in October); this will prevent the dirty republicans to have time to recover.

The man is not even close, Obama will chew him alive on the national TV.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by TayoD1(m): 1:47pm On Aug 01, 2008
@BigB1,

Are you telling us that you're supporting McCain? If so, Could you please list your reasons?
While I am not an ardent fan of McCain, my vote goes to him far ahead of Obama for the following reasons.

1.  If America needs uniting, he stands a better chance of doing that ahead of Obama. he has shown over time that he puts country first ahead of his Party. That is why he has stood up to the president many times and reached across the party divide to get things done. Obama is very liberal and always toe his party line even when it is against the nation's interest.

2.  John McCainis for offshore drilling, nuclear power and all renewable power resources. Obama is against drilling and nuclear power and told us yesterday we should keep our tire pressures intact and fine tune our cars to bring down the price of oil. That is not a policy.

3.  John McCain is pro-life whereas Obama encourages abortion at will. He said if his children makes the mistake of getting pregnant out of wedlock, he wouldn't want them "punished with a baby." Those are his real words and I shudder at the implications. He regards babies as "punishment" and can easily destoy innocent lives due to some inconvenience. Now what does that stand say to young kids?

4.  John McCain is toucgh on national security while Obama is not.

5.  John mcCain thinks its important that America wins the Iraq war while Obama thinks its more important we get out fast.

6.  John McCain has proven experience, loyalty and character, while Obama's has in reality about 5 months experience in the Senate, and his associations are suspect to say the least.

7. John McCain is for Capitalism while Obama is for socialism.

8. McCain wants to maintain a freedom of choice with health care while Obama wants to nationalise it.

9.  Obama will raise my taxes while McCain will not and will rather eliminate pork spending in washington.

10. Obama, like the Democrats will continue and expand the welfare system that has kept the black community in the gutter for years, while McCain plans to look into every detail for its effectiveness.

11.  Obama plays race politics, while McCain has been a gentleman.

12.  Obama's choice of Justices is too liberal, mcCain's choice are conservative.

I love to learn something new.
I hope you have now. These are just a few in a long list.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by BigB11(m): 1:54pm On Aug 01, 2008
While I am not an ardent fan of McCain, my vote goes to him far ahead of Obama for the following reasons.

1. If America needs uniting, he stands a better chance of doing that ahead of Obama. he has shown over time that he puts country first ahead of his Party. That is why he has stood up to the president many times and reached across the party divide to get things done. Obama is very liberal and always toe his party line even when it is against the nation's interest.

2. John McCainis for offshore drilling, nuclear power and all renewable power resources. Obama is against drilling and nuclear power and told us yesterday we should keep our tire pressures intact and fine tune our cars to bring down the price of oil. That is not a policy.

3. John McCain is pro-life whereas Obama encourages abortion at will. He said if his children makes the mistake of getting pregnant out of wedlock, he wouldn't want them "punished with a baby." Those are his real words and I shudder at the implications. He regards babies as "punishment" and can easily destoy innocent lives due to some inconvenience. Now what does that stand say to young kids?

4. John McCain is toucgh on national security while Obama is not.

5. John mcCain thinks its important that America wins the Iraq war while Obama thinks its more important we get out fast.

6. John McCain has proven experience, loyalty and character, while Obama's has in reality about 5 months experience in the Senate, and his associations are suspect to say the least.

7. John McCain is for Capitalism while Obama is for socialism.

8. McCain wants to maintain a freedom of choice with health care while Obama wants to nationalise it.

9. Obama will raise my taxes while McCain will not and will rather eliminate pork spending in washington.

10. Obama, like the Democrats will continue and expand the welfare system that has kept the black community in the gutter for years, while McCain plans to look into every detail for its effectiveness.

11. Obama plays race politics, while McCain has been a gentleman.

12. Obama's choice of Justices is too liberal, mcCain's choice are conservative.

This is absolutely absurd; you must be from another planet.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by TayoD1(m): 2:00pm On Aug 01, 2008
@BigB1,

This is absolutely absurd; you must be from another planet.
Is that all you have to say? As usual, no substance from the Obama Camp, just empty rhetorics.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by darfur(m): 2:02pm On Aug 01, 2008
yes, he finally did it. he ended her presidential drive effectively by appointing her to speak on the 2nd day of convention. running mates speak on the 3rd day. and it's not hillary grin .

with hillary off the table, we now have only McGrandpa and the Bushites to get over. . . you know what, i dont care who wins grin grin . . all i want is hillary off the table

mission accomplished wink
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by darfur(m): 2:23pm On Aug 01, 2008
@tayoD,

1. obama is a better uniter. he has pulled a greater coalition of americans than john.
2.offshore drilling will not solve america's problems today but they will create huge environmental problems. the debate should be on. na hasty decision on that yet. ask the people in gulf coast of america(louisiana area) the offshore drilling woul;d affect their environment.
3. democrats are pro-choice, not pro abortion. get the difference. let the women be able to decide for themselves. if God gave man a choice to love him or to sin, who are the republicans to deny the choice to women. and by the way, what do the reps offer when the baby is born? policies that favor the rich. and children born out of wedlock usually belong to the poor.

4.john is tough on national security eh? b/c he promoted the surge eh? but he wrongly sent them to iraq in the first place. can't tell shia or sunni, can't get the chronology of the surge vs sunni awakening. and can't define victory in iraq. gimme a break. de guy fought in vietnam, good, he's a hero, good. but he has never commanded a war. so give me a break. even the bush foreing policy is toeing obama line in iran, withdrawal etc. security my foot.

5. so obama doesnt want victory for US eh? ebelebe igba grin   . . next please

6. john is experienced. in what? in the failed leadership america wants to change?  grin grin  the only person with enough experience to go for presidential election is a president who is going for re-election. get it

7. obama is for socialism eh? read your history about former soviet union. that is what socialism is. the republicans said hillary's healthcare was socialists eh? like that in the UK huh? lol. abegi. try and know what socialism is before you believe the republicans oh.

8 healthcare freedom of choice. great. where the poor have a choice to either die at home or die while begging for treatment b/c they can't afford healthcare grin grin grin grin  una de try

9. obama will raise your taxes eh? so you earn above $200,000 a year  cheesy  then you can't complain with a little raised taxes. b/c he wont raise taxes for anyone who earns below that. please tell that gist to the white appalachian republican illiterates from kentucky

10. john will look into every detail of welfare for effectiveness while obama wont look into every detail of welfare for effectiveness okwa ya grin grin grin  john is either more compassionate or more efficient than barrack huh? grin grin grin tayoD . . cheesy

11. mccain na gentleman and obama na agboro grin  yet for the campaigne McCain brought out 2 different plans for attacking obama's german visit. one for if he goes to the military hospoital and the other for if he does not go grin  places blackman in between 2 blondes . comparing a harvard grad to 2 celebrity, rich, dumb blondes eh. tayo wetin be the definition of gentleman for ya dictionary grin grin grin

12. justice is a debate. who is right and who is wrong. this debate will go on till the end of life when God will be the judge.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by megaboss: 3:18pm On Aug 01, 2008
Why do you hate Hillary Clinton and want her out of the way?
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by darfur(m): 4:03pm On Aug 01, 2008
she was horrible in the primaries. her negative campaigne was terrible. her continued stay in the primaries was an obvious disadvantage to the party as it ensured the party was torn into 2 . . a problem that still exists today, which is why obama is not doing too well even when americans detest republicans.

to think that she had to borrow money to run such a hateful campaigne and now expects obama to pay those debts underscores why i see her as a witch angry

even if mccain wins, mccain is 500times better than hillary grin
i dont care if obama wins. . . lets face it, america is not gonna vote a black man into the white house. but obama has been a great inspiration to young blacks world over. good enough.

anybody but hillary. if there is no other person let them come to nigeria and pick mariam abacha, i'll prefer her to hillary the witch tongue
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by TayoD1(m): 4:52pm On Aug 01, 2008
@dafur,

1. obama is a better uniter. he has pulled a greater coalition of americans than john.
What greater coalition if I may ask? He's more associated with polarising figures like Rev Wright, an American terrorists whose name I can't remember now etc. If anything, McCain is known more as a centrist with broad support amongst the independent. So far, McCain's tying with Obama based on the Independent votes. Wait till the conservatives turn out to vote and you'll see a landslide.

2.offshore drilling will not solve america's problems today but they will create huge environmental problems. the debate should be on. na hasty decision on that yet. ask the people in gulf coast of america(louisiana area) the offshore drilling would affect their environment.
All these lies about offshore drilling affecting environment. please tell us, how many oil was spilled during Katrina? I rest my case.

3. democrats are pro-choice, not pro abortion. get the difference. let the women be able to decide for themselves. if God gave man a choice to love him or to sin, who are the republicans to deny the choice to women. and by the way, what do the reps offer when the baby is born? policies that favor the rich. and children born out of wedlock usually belong to the poor.
pro-choice? So does every man have a choice to kill another when inconvenienced? The US imbibed a biblical principle that punishment must fit a crime. The death penalty must only be adopted when a crime is demed very heinous and the power to take a life must only be granted by the State after such heinous crimes are established. How many of these aborted babies commit any crime worthy of death. Why can't they set up adoption centers where the unwanted babies can be taken rather than summarily executing them?

4.john is tough on national security eh? b/c he promoted the surge eh? but he wrongly sent them to iraq in the first place. can't tell shia or sunni, can't get the chronology of the surge vs sunni awakening. and can't define victory in iraq. gimme a break. de guy fought in vietnam, good, he's a hero, good. but he has never commanded a war. so give me a break. even the bush foreing policy is toeing obama line in iran, withdrawal etc. security my foot.
McCain didn't send nobody to war, Bush did. So how many wars have Obama either fought in or commanded? The same guy who can't acknowledge the vistory of our troops over A'quaeda in iraq is the same one who should be their Commander-in-Chief? I don't think so. One thing is for sure, McCain and Obama had opportunities to vote on the surge. mcCain got it right, Obama did not. Obama never had the opportunity to vote to go into Iraq, however he has continually voted to fund a war he said he's against. Hypocrisy at its apoche.

5. so obama doesnt want victory for US eh? ebelebe igba . . next please
Absolutely. he is more interested in getting out. A rigid 16 month withdrawal plan that pays no attention to what is on ground is not a vistory strategy.

6. john is experienced. in what? in the failed leadership america wants to change? the only person with enough experience to go for presidential election is a president who is going for re-election. get it
Unless you are telling us that experience has no value, Obama's resume is very thing while McCain's is not. What leadership has failed? The Democrat's whose leadership ratings of the legislature are far below Bush's?

7. obama is for socialism eh? read your history about former soviet union. that is what socialism is. the republicans said hillary's healthcare was socialists eh? like that in the UK huh? lol. abegi. try and know what socialism is before you believe the republicans oh.
It's absolute socialism. When people are given stuffs for free irrespective of whether they earn it or not is socialism. Europe of course is more socialist than America is. You don't need science to understand that.

8 healthcare freedom of choice. great. where the poor have a choice to either die at home or die while begging for treatment b/c they can't afford healthcare una de try
99% of the time in America, a poor man is the cause of his poverty. the private sector is and should be helping those that can't genuinely afford health care. Besides, that is what insurance is there for and if the Govt will hands off this industry totally, prices are bound to fall due to competition. govt regulations and control makes matters worse. And by the way, why should the govt use my money to be doing mr nice guy? the govt's purpose is to govern, not welfare.

9. obama will raise your taxes eh? so you earn above $200,000 a year then you can't complain with a little raised taxes. b/c he wont raise taxes for anyone who earns below that. please tell that gist to the white appalachian republican illiterates from kentucky
What you don't understand and your Messiah is failing to tell you, is that Bush's tax cut will soon expire and taxes will rise across board for everyone. Obama spared you the detail that
his promise to not raise taxes does not take into account the rise that will occur when that tax cut expires. obama has thrived on the many ignorance of his followers and you guys are too blind to see this.

10. john will look into every detail of welfare for effectiveness while obama wont look into every detail of welfare for effectiveness okwa ya john is either more compassionate or more efficient than barrack huh? tayoD . .
That is exaclty what mcCain plans to do. Every govvt program will be scrutinized and any one with pork money will be vetoed. That is how Washington shuld be run.

11. mccain na gentleman and obama na agboro yet for the campaigne McCain brought out 2 different plans for attacking obama's german visit. one for if he goes to the military hospoital and the other for if he does not go places blackman in between 2 blondes . comparing a harvard grad to 2 celebrity, rich, dumb blondes eh. tayo wetin be the definition of gentleman for ya dictionary
Number one, the reason why Obama did not visit those Soldiers is because the cameras will not be allowed on that visit. So you see, everything is for showmanship as far as he is concerned. That is the definition of celebrity and he falls right in-between britney and Paris.

12. justice is a debate. who is right and who is wrong. this debate will go on till the end of life when God will be the judge.
But McCain shares my definition and interpretation better than Obama does.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by darfur(m): 5:42pm On Aug 01, 2008
you can have this debate from now till the end of time. i cant convince you and you can never ever convince me. it's a useless debate in effect. i just put up that post to let you know that there is another side of the coin.

vote mccain, it's good for you. he may win. good for him. perhaps he deserves it, perhaps not. i dont care. obama is good. sure. dont berate him just b/c you want mccain to win. the boy is good.

as for hillary . . .

i hate the witch of new york . . . lipsrsealed slip of click grin if obama picks her, this election is over. but then obama's death will be assured. so let her loose and let us rest. obama will rest after this election, win or loose he has made an impact in the world. that to me is great enough.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by darfur(m): 5:48pm On Aug 01, 2008
tayo you are watching too much fox news cheesy

dont get hannitized or billo'reillyzed

grin
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by TayoD1(m): 5:55pm On Aug 01, 2008
@Darfur,

you can have this debate from now till the end of time. i can't convince you and you can never ever convince me. it's a useless debate in effect. i just put up that post to let you know that there is another side of the coin.
Of course there is the other side, but there is nothing palatable about it. Obama has nothing to offer as far as I am concerned. he has taken good advantage of his position and that is commendable. As for voting for him, I see absolutely no reason why I should.

vote mccain, it's good for you. he may win. good for him. perhaps he deserves it, perhaps not. i don't care. obama is good. sure. don't berate him just b/c you want mccain to win. the boy is good.
I do not berate him. If anything, you guys are the once berating McCain. What I have said is Obama hasn't proved his worth and if anything, my estaimation of him has been damaged a bit this week fron his utterance.

as for hillary . . .
i hate the witch of new york . . . slip of click if obama picks her, this election is over. but then obama's death will be assured. so let her loose and let us rest. obama will rest after this election, win or loose he has made an impact in the world. that to me is great enough.
Stop hating on her, she's done nothing wrong. It is her fear of being labeled racist that kept her from grilling Obama till it was too late. I'm sure she regrets never going for the kill. She kept by the books and she should be commended for her effort. She would have given McCain a run bettr than Obama.

tayo you are watching too much fox news

don't get hannitized or billo'reillyzed
Funny enough, I do not have the programming on my cable. i down sized a while back and Foxnews wans't tha important to keep on.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by BigB11(m): 6:14pm On Aug 01, 2008
Is that all you have to say? As usual, no substance from the Obama Camp, just empty rhetorics.
@Tayo-D:
This is correct; that's all I have to say on what you've posted.
If it makes you feel better that your post has substance, may God bless you

But to me, it is obvious that what you have against Obama is personal.
It simply makes no sense for me to waste my time on showing you why Obama is absolutely a better candidate and why McCain should return back to Arizona and spend the rest of his life peacefully with his family.
It is Friday, I just do not have the strength to do so today.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by BigB11(m): 6:15pm On Aug 01, 2008
you can have this debate from now till the end of time. i can't convince you and you can never ever convince me. it's a useless debate in effect. i just put up that post to let you know that there is another side of the coin.

vote mccain, it's good for you. he may win. good for him. perhaps he deserves it, perhaps not. i don't care. obama is good. sure. don't berate him just b/c you want mccain to win. the boy is good.

as for hillary . . .

i hate the witch of new york . . . slip of click if obama picks her, this election is over. but then obama's death will be assured. so let her loose and let us rest. obama will rest after this election, win or loose he has made an impact in the world. that to me is great enough

An incredible conclusion!
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by Nobody: 6:17pm On Aug 01, 2008
I could care less who wins this election but to continue claiming that Obama is nothing but empty rhetoric is stretching it a little too far. Can these moden day "Obama is an empty-head" apostles tell us just 2 things that McCain stands for?
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by Nobody: 6:29pm On Aug 01, 2008
Tayo-D:

1. If America needs uniting, he stands a better chance of doing that ahead of Obama. he has shown over time that he puts country first ahead of his Party. That is why he has stood up to the president many times and reached across the party divide to get things done. Obama is very liberal and always toe his party line even when it is against the nation's interest.

McCain has "stood up to" Bush simply because he knew he'd need such a situation in his present campaign.

Tayo-D:

2. John McCainis for offshore drilling, nuclear power and all renewable power resources. Obama is against drilling and nuclear power and told us yesterday we should keep our tire pressures intact and fine tune our cars to bring down the price of oil. That is not a policy.

Can you candidly tell us that offshore drilling would 100% solve America's energy problems? Are you telling us that McCain is smarter than every other past president and senate who refused to remove the ban on offshore drilling? America already has more than 110 nuclear power plants, the second largest source of electric power behind coal so what is new about McCain's stance?

Tayo-D:

3. John McCain is pro-life whereas Obama encourages abortion at will. He said if his children makes the mistake of getting pregnant out of wedlock, he wouldn't want them "punished with a baby." Those are his real words and I shudder at the implications. He regards babies as "punishment" and can easily destoy innocent lives due to some inconvenience. Now what does that stand say to young kids?

This is conservative whinning. It is apparent that the vast majority of Americans would rather have the right to terminate unwanted pregnancies.

Tayo-D:

4. John McCain is toucgh on national security while Obama is not.

Republican hubris. How is McCain tough on national security? How do you know Obama is not?
McCain choosing to stick in Iraq for 100 yrs is your evidence of "tough on national security"? I shudder to imagine another 8yrs of Bush's campaign of "invade all our enemies".

Tayo-D:

5. John mcCain thinks its important that America wins the Iraq war while Obama thinks its more important we get out fast.

Simple . . . because America should never have gone to Iraq in the first place. Now the country is a mess that will take more than a decade to fix. Hurray to McCainolitics.

Tayo-D:

6. John McCain has proven experience, loyalty and character, while Obama's has in reality about 5 months experience in the Senate, and his associations are suspect to say the least.

Hubris again. McCain is 71, Obama is 46 . . . duh!
What would you do if every company you applied to after you graduated from school demanded 10yr experience from you? Its easy to just mouth republican talking points.

Tayo-D:

8. McCain wants to maintain a freedom of choice with health care while Obama wants to nationalise it.

. . . and has McCain told us how this will work? How is this different from what we have at present?

Tayo-D:

9. Obama will raise my taxes while McCain will not and will rather eliminate pork spending in washington.

Republican talking points that hold no basis.

Tayo-D:

10. Obama, like the Democrats will continue and expand the welfare system that has kept the black community in the gutter for years, while McCain plans to look into every detail for its effectiveness.

The black community is not in the gutter because of welfare, it is there because it has steadfastly chosen to remain there! Whites are also on welfare, why are they progressing and the black community is not?
When McCain eliminates this how does he propose to help the black community?

Tayo-D:

11. Obama plays race politics, while McCain has been a gentleman.

Better to overlook this.

Tayo-D:

12. Obama's choice of Justices is too liberal, mcCain's choice are conservative.

And? What does this have to do with who should be president? Bush had conservative judges too . . . what new invention did they bring to America?
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by TayoD1(m): 7:10pm On Aug 01, 2008
@BigB1,

But to me, it is obvious that what you have against Obama is personal.
Do you know the meaning of the word 'personal'? There is no doubt in my mind that you would have called me racist if I was White. I can see you've taken a good, or is it bad lesson from Obam's book. Focus on the personalities of those whose opinion is different from yours rather than attend to the issues. I leave you to continue following your Messiah. May he lead you in the path of righteousness.

@Davidylan,

McCain has "stood up to" Bush simply because he knew he'd need such a situation in his present campaign.
Why you are doubting his intentions is beyond me. He stood up to Bush to solve a problem. Please tell us where Obam ever did that. And why do you thik they call McCain a maverick? He never toes party lines but follow what he thinks his best for the country. At this point where many are talking of reconciliation, no one can pull it off better than McCain. Obama is highly polarising.

Can you candidly tell us that offshore drilling would 100% solve America's energy problems? Are you telling us that McCain is smarter than every other past president and senate who refused to remove the ban on offshore drilling? America already has more than 110 nuclear power plants, the second largest source of electric power behind coal so what is new about McCain's stance?
Offshore drilling is one step towards solving the enrgy crisis. Not only should we drill offshore, but we should go to ENWR and utilise the shales in colorado as well. The shales in Colorado alone will supply the US current oil demand for over 100 years. Nuclear power needs to be expanded. It has does not contribute to the green-house effect, and is as safe and clean as anything you can imagine. They wont even let us use the coal we have in abundance abundance due to the environmental wackos. A coal plant here in MN was just changed from coal-burning to gas burning because of environmentalists pressure. Not only does this raise our power bills, it makes us more dependent on foreign sources. How sane is that. Google big Stone II and find out wha the same environmentalist nut-jobs are doing. And by the way, do you think our refusing to drill offshore will 100% solve our energy needs?

This is conservative whinning. It is apparent that the vast majority of Americans would rather have the right to terminate unwanted pregnancies.
That is not true. And that some want it does not make it right.

McCain choosing to stick in Iraq for 100 years is your evidence of "tough on national security"? I shudder to imagine another 8yrs of Bush's campaign of "invade all our enemies".
I know you are passionate in your debates, but I never thought you are dishonest until now. As usual, the plan is to twist what someone has said to make it fit you political leanings. Tell me, if Al'Quaeda continues to run around for a 100 years, would you say we stay on the offence or wait till they strike us again?

Simple . . . because America should never have gone to Iraq in the first place. Now the country is a mess that will take more than a decade to fix. Hurray to McCainolitics.
And the country would have ben messier is Obama had his way and prevented the surge.

What would you do if every company you applied to after you graduated from school demanded 10yr experience from you? Its easy to just mouth republican talking points.
I am sensible enough to apply for an entry-level position and not for the role of the Chief Executive. Get the point?

and has McCain told us how this will work? How is this different from what we have at present?
What's the govt business with the market forces? The govt should move out of the way and let the market play itself out. If the govt should have any role, it is just to ensure that corruption is not perpetuated. The current system is fine if left alone.

The black community is not in the gutter because of welfare, it is there because it has steadfastly chosen to remain there! Whites are also on welfare, why are they progressing and the black community is not? When McCain eliminates this how does he propose to help the black community?
The single biggest factor killing the black community is the current welfare system. When you encourage laziness and idleness, this is what you get. when you make people depend on the govt, you create a dependency class just for the purpose of having a reliable voting block who need you to win in order to continue getting that welfare. This is the Democrats plan.

Better to overlook this.
Just as we overlooked it when he played the race card on Bill Clinton. he is trying to do the same again and it wont fly.

And? What does this have to do with who should be president? Bush had conservative judges too . . . what new invention did they bring to America?
you are smart enough to figure this out. The last few judgments from the Supreme Court were 5-4. The next President's choioce will determine the fate of homosexual marriage and the likes. Liberal judges have overuled people's choice at the ballot to keep marriage between a male and a female. The case is heading to the Supreme Court. Depending on the judges, the people's wish, through a democratic vote can be overuled or confirmed by a few justices. Can you see why this is important now? and by the way, Roe v Wade is also on its way to the Supreme Court.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by Nobody: 7:35pm On Aug 01, 2008
Tayo-D:

@Davidylan,
Why you are doubting his intentions is beyond me. He stood up to Bush to solve a problem. Please tell us where Obama ever did that. And why do you thik they call McCain a maverick? He never toes party lines but follow what he thinks his best for the country. At this point where many are talking of reconciliation, no one can pull it off better than McCain. Obama is highly polarising.

I'm not sure you even know why McCain is called a maverick beyond merely repeating rightwing slogans that dont mean a thing. Its easy to understand why McCain "stood up to" Bush with the benefit of hindsight, if i had plans to take over after Bush i'd want to put up a front too.

Tayo-D:

Offshore drilling is one step towards solving the enrgy crisis. Not only should we drill offshore, but we should go to ENWR and utilise the shales in colorado as well. The shales in Colorado alone will supply the US current oil demand for over 100 years.

It wont solve any crisis . . . the energy "crisis" today is entirely a result of an very unstable middle east no thanks to US meddlesomeness, a trait that McCain is 100% certain to continue. I ask again . . . is McCain smarter than every other president (including) Clinton who did not see ofshore drilling as a way to reduce gas prices in the US?

Tayo-D:

Nuclear power needs to be expanded. It has does not contribute to the green-house effect, and is as safe and clean as anything you can imagine. They wont even let us use the coal we have in abundance abundance due to the environmental wackos. A coal plant here in MN was just changed from coal-burning to gas burning because of environmentalists pressure. Not only does this raise our power bills, it makes us more dependent on foreign sources. How sane is that. Google big Stone II and find out wha the same environmentalist nut-jobs are doing.

Coal produces half America's electrical energy needs . . .
Nuclear power is second behind Coal . . .
So what's new about McCain's position again?

Tayo-D:

And by the way, do you think our refusing to drill offshore will 100% solve our energy needs?

Between 2000 and 2005, US gas prices averaged $1.5/gallon all without offshore drilling.
Again what's new?

Tayo-D:

I know you are passionate in your debates, but I never thought you are dishonest until now. As usual, the plan is to twist what someone has said to make it fit you political leanings.

Which has essentially been the weapon of choice for you and the shameless republicans.

Tayo-D:

Tell me, if Al'Quaeda continues to run around for a 100 years, would you say we stay on the offence or wait till they strike us again?

The world has been asking the same question since 2003, was al qaeda running around IN IRAQ? Did they have weapons of mass destruction or not?

Tayo-D:

And the country would have ben messier is Obama had his way and prevented the surge.

The surge in itself was not the key to unlocking the Iraq problem, it all started from the Anbar uprising . . . one that begun, contrary to McCain's false claims WELL BEFORE any surge.

The surge excuse is another duh moment:
1. If America had stayed away from Iraq in the first place we wont be talking about preventing a surge.
2. If you swamp Iraq with 1m soldiers (aka surge), of course violence will go down duh!

Tayo-D:

I am sensible enough to apply for an entry-level position and not for the role of the Chief Executive. Get the point?

Clinton was 42 when he became US president in 1992, arguable America's finest president since 1960. He had ZERO foreign policy experience. DUH!

Tayo-D:

The single biggest factor killing the black community is the current welfare system. When you encourage laziness and idleness, this is what you get. when you make people depend on the govt, you create a dependency class just for the purpose of having a reliable voting block who need you to win in order to continue getting that welfare. This is the Democrats plan.

White americans, hispanics e.t.c. have also utilised the welfare system . . . why are the blacks the only ones retrogressing? Is the problem really the existence of welfare or an inate problem with the black race? Are Nigerians, Zimbabweans, Nigeriens, Congolese, Haitians also on welfare? I am ashamed as a black man that it has come to a point where we blame our failures on everyone but ourselves.

Tayo-D:

Just as we overlooked it when he played the race card on Bill Clinton. he is trying to do the same again and it wont fly.

McCain, Foxnews e.t.c have all played the race card. Hilary Clinton used it to devastating effect only it was too late, i didnt hear any of you complaining.

Tayo-D:

you are smart enough to figure this out. The last few judgments from the Supreme Court were 5-4. The next President's choioce will determine the fate of homosexual marriage and the likes. Liberal judges have overuled people's choice at the ballot to keep marriage between a male and a female. The case is heading to the Supreme Court. Depending on the judges, the people's wish, through a democratic vote can be overuled or confirmed by a few justices. Can you see why this is important now? and by the way, Roe v Wade is also on its way to the Supreme Court.

Duh! So what's new? Would you also be against a liberal president 20yrs from now?
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by 4Play(m): 7:51pm On Aug 01, 2008
davidylan:

I'm not sure you even know why McCain is called a maverick beyond merely repeating rightwing slogans that don't mean a thing. Its easy to understand why McCain "stood up to" Bush with the benefit of hindsight, if i had plans to take over after Bush i'd want to put up a front too.

Be honest,8 years ago,you would have struggled to recognize who McCain was if he was standing in front of you. Only people who started taking a keen interest in McCain in a period the Obama campaign started painting him as somewhat of a Bush clone would be puzzled as to why he is described as a 'maverick'.

Up to '04,his relationship with Republicans and Bush was so bad that he was touted as Kerry's running mate in the '04 Presidential elections.There were strong rumors that he may decamp to the Democratic party which never materialised.

Suggesting that McCain is standing up to Bush now out of personal convenience is ridiculous.You obviously missed the GOP 2000 primaries!

It wont solve any crisis . . . the energy "crisis" today is entirely a result of an very unstable middle east no thanks to US meddlesomeness, a trait that McCain is 100% certain to continue. I ask again . . . is McCain smarter than every other president (including) Clinton who did not see ofshore drilling as a way to reduce gas prices in the US?

Oil price has been rising since 99,before Bush came into power,and is mainly due to the strong growth of emerging economies like China and India.However,the US has compounded its problem by refusing to drill in many parts of its territory.

Tell me,where is the logic in insisting on buying oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela when you can cut down your funding of those regimes by mining some of the oil in your own backyard?

Since when did Clinton become the hallmark of prescient thinking? Democrats have been blocking drilling for decades for spurious environmental reasons.Unfortunately,Obama is part and parcel of the problem.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by Nobody: 8:00pm On Aug 01, 2008
4 Play:

Be honest,8 years ago,you would have struggled to recognize who McCain was if he was standing in front of you. Only people who started taking a keen interest in McCain in a period the Obama campaign started painting him as somewhat of a Bush clone would be puzzled as to why he is described as a 'maverick'.

Up to '04,his relationship with Republicans and Bush was so bad that he was touted as Kerry's running mate in the '04 Presidential elections.There were strong rumors that he may decamp to the Democratic party which never materialised.

Suggesting that McCain is standing up to Bush now out of personal convenience is ridiculous.You obviously missed the GOP 2000 primaries!

Nothing new here. McCain was a presidential candidate in 2000. Anyone who saw clinton during the 2008 democratic primaries would almost assume she'd hated Obama since she was a child.

4 Play:

Oil price has been rising since 99,before Bush came into power,and is mainly due to the strong growth of emerging economies like China and India.However,the US has compounded its problem by refusing to drill in many parts of its territory.

Tell me,where is the logic in insisting on buying oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela when you can cut down your funding of those regimes by mining some of the oil in your own backyard?

Since when did Clinton become the hallmark of prescient thinking? Democrats have been blocking drilling for decades for spurious environmental reasons.Unfortunately,Obama is part and parcel of the problem.

If America had drilled her own oil solely since 1900, wont she be back buying oil from these same Saudi Arabia and Venezuela today?
When Nigeria's oil reserves dry up in 40yrs will we not be buying oil from these same people?
What if America had NO oil reserves . . . should she be buying oil from Niger instead?

Its easy to whip up arguments now because at least America has proven oil reserves, the world is a global market . . . China is America's fiercest competitors, is known to veto several American positions at the UN YET it would be unthinkable for America to lose the Chinese market.

Saudi Arabia and Venezuela can cry all they want, they still need America to buy their oil. China buys oil from Africa . . . to be honest . . . is it because they love us?
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by 4Play(m): 8:07pm On Aug 01, 2008
Between 2000 and 2005, US gas prices averaged $1.5/gallon all without offshore drilling.
Again what's new?

Rising hydrocarbon prices obviously.In simple terms,demand for oil is growing faster than the supply of oil.Democrats in Congress recently called on OPEC-remember they are planning to take measures against OPEC for being a cartel-to increase their supply of oil.

How can you call on OPEC to increase their oil supply while constraining your own domestic supply?

The surge in itself was not the key to unlocking the Iraq problem, it all started from the Anbar uprising . . . one that begun, contrary to McCain's false claims WELL BEFORE any surge.

The surge excuse is another duh moment:
1. If America had stayed away from Iraq in the first place we wont be talking about preventing a surge.
2. If you swamp Iraq with 1m soldiers (aka surge), of course violence will go down duh!

So if the US swamps Iraq with more soldiers violence will go down? How come Obama insisted on the contrary? In Afghanistan,the more NATO troops are poured in,the more the violence gets worse.

If pouring troops into a country automatically makes violence less,LBJ would have won the Vietnam war.

The Anbar uprising didn't turn the tables in Iraq.Did Anbar uprising crush the Sadrists in Basra and Sadr City?

As many Sunnis have noted,they won't have turned against Al-Qaeda if they didn't receive encouragement from the Bush administration that the US will be prepared to back them,with men and material,if they joined the Iraqi Govt's cause.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by 4Play(m): 8:14pm On Aug 01, 2008
davidylan:

Nothing new here. McCain was a presidential candidate in 2000. Anyone who saw clinton during the 2008 democratic primaries would almost assume she'd hated Obama since she was a child.

It's a far cry from your suggestion that it is somewhat of a merely convenient act for McCain to have differences with Bush when they have been daggers drawn since time immemorial.

If in 8 years time,someone who barely knows Clinton's history claims it is only out of convenience that she distances herself from Obama,won't you find that absurd?

If America had drilled her own oil solely since 1900, wont she be back buying oil from these same Saudi Arabia and Venezuela today?
When Nigeria's oil reserves dry up in 40yrs will we not be buying oil from these same people?
What if America had NO oil reserves . . . should she be buying oil from Niger instead?

Its easy to whip up arguments now because at least America has proven oil reserves, the world is a global market . . . China is America's fiercest competitors, is known to veto several American positions at the UN YET it would be unthinkable for America to lose the Chinese market.

Saudi Arabia and Venezuela can cry all they want, they still need America to buy their oil. China buys oil from Africa . . . to be honest . . . is it because they love us?

I don't know where you are getting at but the simple truth is that the US currently possesses abundant domestic energy resources and has chosen to import them not out of economic logic but for spurious environmental reasons.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by Nobody: 8:17pm On Aug 01, 2008
4 Play:

Rising hydrocarbon prices obviously.In simple terms,demand for oil is growing faster than the supply of oil.Democrats in Congress recently called on OPEC-remember they are planning to take measures against OPEC for being a cartel-to increase their supply of oil.

How can you call on OPEC to increase their oil supply while constraining your own domestic supply?

What if there was no domestic supply? Of course i dont support trying to put pressure on OPEC, they have to do all they can to squeeze every dollar they can from each barrel they sell.
I would however support the smart idea not to encourage offshore drilling for now, America stands to make a lot more in the future when world oil reserves run low.

4 Play:

So if the US swamps Iraq with more soldiers violence will go down? How come Obama insisted on the contrary? In Afghanistan,the more NATO troops are poured in,the more the violence gets worse.

Obama insisted America not go to Iraq in the first place. The problem with Afghanistan is not as easy as you make it sound - you're not fighting a conventional army, the terrain is more suitable to guerilla fighters and NATO troops have to be extra careful not to upset the natives who unfortunately stand in harms way.

4 Play:

If pouring troops into a country automatically makes violence less,LBJ would have won the Vietnam war.

See above response.

4 Play:

The Anbar uprising didn't turn the tables in Iraq.Did Anbar uprising crush the Sadrists in Basra and Sadr City?

As many Sunnis have noted,they won't have turned against Al-Qaeda if they didn't receive encouragement from the Bush administration that the US will be prepared to back them,with men and material,if they joined the Iraqi Govt's cause.

Lets be honest, the anbar uprising was the first step to stemming the tide of violence in Iraq. It was to America's interest that the Iraqis themselves show the desire to rout al qaeda and prevent it from gaining a solid foothold.

Duh. The Sunnis needed US support to avoid the backlash that would inevitably follow their decision to fight against al qaeda.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by Nobody: 8:20pm On Aug 01, 2008
4 Play:

It's a far cry from your suggestion that it is somewhat of a merely convenient act for McCain to have differences with Bush when they have been daggers drawn since time immemorial.

If in 8 years time,someone who barely knows Clinton's history claims it is only out of convenience that she distances herself from Obama,won't you find that absurd?

McCain always knew he would the standout candidate to replace Bush either after 4 or 8 yrs . . . it was imperative that he distance himself from Bush's failings to stand a chance.

4 Play:

I don't know where you are getting at but the simple truth is that the US currently possesses abundant domestic energy resources and has chosen to import them not out of economic logic but for spurious environmental reasons.

Why is that a problem? A stable middle east will solve a large portion of the world's energy crisis.
Re: It Is Clear That Obama Needs Hillary To Win; Period! by 4Play(m): 8:28pm On Aug 01, 2008
davidylan:

What if there was no domestic supply? Of course i don't support trying to put pressure on OPEC, they have to do all they can to squeeze every dollar they can from each barrel they sell.
I would however support the smart idea not to encourage offshore drilling for now, America stands to make a lot more in the future when world oil reserves run low.

Let's not dwell on the hypothetical.There is domestic 'supply',billions of it waiting to be tapped and Democrats like Obama have been blocking its exploitation.

You seem to misunderstand Obama's position. He is not against drilling because he and his fellow Democrats want to reserve for the future-he is against it on mainly environmental grounds.

You keep talking of the future.At some point in the future,oil will be rendered redundant.

Obama insisted America not go to Iraq in the first place. The problem with Afghanistan is not as easy as you make it sound - you're not fighting a conventional army, the terrain is more suitable to guerilla fighters and NATO troops have to be extra careful not to upset the natives who unfortunately stand in harms way.

Please,are they fighting a "conventional army" in Iraq? As for Obama insisting that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place,that is clearly irrelevant.The question is what can be done now,unless you have a time machine to take us back to 2003,we are more concerned with how to deal with the situation as it is not as we would have desired it to be.

Lets be honest, the anbar uprising was the first step to stemming the tide of violence in Iraq. It was to America's interest that the Iraqis themselves show the desire to rout al qaeda and prevent it from gaining a solid foothold.

Duh. The Sunnis needed US support to avoid the backlash that would inevitably follow their decision to fight against al qaeda.

So Obama's idea of providing the support that the Sunnis need in order to fight Al-Qaeda is to reduce support for the people prepare to take on the battle against Al-Qaeda.

The Anbar uprising would not even have been remotely possible if they weren't assured of US military assistance.

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