Likes of Martins, Utaka, Yobo etc. Wetin una think?

I don talk am for the other thread, The EPL kills and hardly develops them. All they do is drink beer and chop peppersoup.

Our most succesful team hardly had any EPL player.

Look at Senegal, when their players were playing in France, they won France performed decently at the world cup(Quarter finals) and lost the Nations cup finals narrowly.

When they all went to EPL what happened? Salif Diao, Papa Bouba Diop, Henry kamara, Diomansy Kamara, Aliou Cisse, and El hadji Diouf what became of them. Their best players now plays outside EPL Niang and Demba Ba.

dayokanu:

I don talk am for the other thread, The EPL kills and hardly develops them. All they do is drink beer and chop peppersoup.

Our most succesful team hardly had any EPL player.

Look at Senegal, when their players were playing in France, they won France performed decently at the world cup(Quarter finals) and lost the Nations cup finals narrowly.

When they all went to EPL what happened? Salif Diao, Papa Bouba Diop, Henry kamara, Diomansy Kamara, Aliou Cisse, and El hadji Diouf what became of them. Their best players now plays outside EPL Niang and Demba Ba.

How can you say the EPL kills player?? C'mon, we need to take this outside the box.
The EPL doesn't kill players, COMPETITION does . . .

You mention France, the same France where one player can have five bad games in a row and still ake the first team.
It's not the same in the EPL, most of the teams hav deeloped second string teams that wait for injuries, and then the Reserve League were they play regularly. . . Competition is stiff!!!
While some players like Adebayor have brewed their A-game from this, others just crumble.

Kanu was playing in Arsenal as a striker, Arsenal had about five players that had to be rotated for he same position.
Three bad matches and that's it, you're a Carling Cup player.

Eldee why do Nigerian players performance nose dive when the get to EPL or what about the Senegalese players?

Let Uche or Obasi enter EPl now and see how they would turn out.

Thank God Etoo never went to the EPL.

You mention France, the same France where one player can have five bad games in a row and still make the first team.
It's not the same in the EPL, most of the teams hav deeloped second string teams that wait for injuries, and then the Reserve League were they play regularly. . . Competition is stiff!!!

You want to tell us how many bad games Eboue, Rio, Berbasulk and Malouda have had? And I can see them still playing regularly. Rio has been shyte for 3 years yet he makes the team. malouda for almost 2 years. Mikel? for ever

eldee:

How can you say the EPL kills player?? C'mon, we need to take this outside the box.
The EPL doesn't kill players, COMPETITION does . . .

Touche. . . . .
Let Dayokanu continue to wallow in his IDIOCY. . . . .
How can the Premiership kill Nigerian players?? It develops em. . . . .
Whether Africans(especially Nigerians) can now manage success and tonnes of pounds they make is another story entirely.

Adebayor, Essien, Drogba, Zaki, Assou Ekotto have all improved since joining the Premiership.

Epl didnt kill
babayaro,okocha,kanu,yobo,yakubu

but a funny as it seems,african players lose it wen they move to the epl!
They prob cnt cope with the competition,the pace etc!
Or they move there wen they are off there peak!
e.g aghahowa,utaka.

dayokanu:

Eldee why do Nigerian players performance nose dive when the get to EPL or what about the Senegalese players?

Let Uche or Obasi enter EPl now and see how they would turn out.

Players respond differently to competition . . . let them go there first and see what happens
Besides players like Okocha, Amokachi, Yobo and Babayaro have thrived in the EPL

Ade was B.S before he came to Arsenal, Martins bangs in goals whenever he's on his feet . . . the EPL is a proving ground for talent.
As poor as Eboue is for Arsenal, he's still a regular in the Ivory Coast, what of Drogba??

You want to tell us how many bad games Eboue, Rio, Berbasulk and Malouda have had? And I can see them still playing regularly. Rio has been shyte for 3 years yet he makes the team. malouda for almost 2 years. Mikel? for ever

Rio is class, he's one half of the arguably the best defence patnership in Europe
Mikel only took advantage of the Essien, Deco injury, he's going back to his permanent seat on the bench.

How can you call Berbasulk crap??

~Sauron~:

Whether Africans(especially Nigerians) can now manage success and tonnes of pounds they make is another story entirely.
Adebayor, Essien, Drogba, Zaki, Assou Ekotto have all improved since joining the Premiership.

Exactly!!!
When Ade was earning £25,000 last season . . . he was hitting that Nike Omni like his life depended on it
Since he got his new contract, the only thing we've heard of him is screaming at paramedics in Lagos

eldee:

Exactly!!!
When Ade was earning £25,000 last season . . . he was hitting that Nike Omni like his life depended on it
Since he got his new contract, the only thing we've heard of him is screaming at paramedics in Lagos

DayoTWATnu is a nuisance.
They have had Chrisantus in Bundesliga for years now. . . . . .We are yet to see him develop into Bojan or Toni Kroos.
As soon as his agent sold him to the German league, i knew Chrisantus would never achieve at top level.

Kanu's best days were outside the EPL when he was 6th in FIFA ranking, Yobo became so dull the moment he stepped into Everton,
What happened to the Bull from Brugge that was the toast of all Europe went to Everton and became crap.
Aghahowa, Martins, Utaka


What of those Senegalese I mentioned? Diop, Diao, Diouf, Kamara, Aliou Cisse, and co

Drogba's best days were arguably in Marseille when He won Sharon's version of European footballer of the year.

Rio is class, he's one half of the arguably the best defence patnership in Europe
Mikel only took advantage of the Essien, Deco injury, he's going back to his permanent seat on the bench.

How can you call Berbasulk crap??

You claimed they go to Carling cup squads and I told you of how Eboue has been crap for like ages and he still plays for the 1st team, Berbasulk has been crap for like 7 months and he still plays strolling all over. Rio has been crap for the better part of two years, Its Vidic excellence that is rubbing off him and protecting him and Rio still plays  , What of Malouda? He has been crap for the better part of 2 seasons and he still plays. right?

Assou Ekotto?? why not Owosu Abeyie?

dayokanu:

I don talk am for the other thread, The EPL kills and hardly develops them. All they do is drink beer and chop peppersoup.

Our most succesful team hardly had any EPL player.

Look at Senegal, when their players were playing in France, they won France performed decently at the world cup(Quarter finals) and lost the Nations cup finals narrowly.

When they all went to EPL what happened? Salif Diao, Papa Bouba Diop, Henry kamara, Diomansy Kamara, Aliou Cisse, and El hadji Diouf what became of them. Their best players now plays outside EPL Niang and Demba Ba.

Mr DK, EPL is the best and the toughest league in the world. You have to be really good to hack it in there.
Coming to the Premiership is like a team winning promotion from the Championship. It's difficult.

Morientes and Shevchenko to name a few were top players but couldn't perform in the EPL.
You can't compare other leagues, you can't.

I wonder why some people have to make buffonery seem like a 9-5 paying job
It doesn't take rocket science to discover that Nigerian players are what they are;Nigerian players?
The moment they ply their trade outside the country,they feel and assume they are bigger than the country.

So it was EPL that made it impossible for Obafemi to score from 5-yards?
I laugh in Afrikaans

chamotex:

Mr DK, EPL is the best and the toughest league in the world. You have to be really good to soil it in there.
Coming to the Premiership is like a team winning promotion from the Championship. It's difficult.

Let DayoTWATnu continue to bleat like a castrated hillly billy.
Players need to be on top of their game to flourish in the EPL. . . . . .
Michael Ballack has been Germany's player of the year several times and he ain't even recognised in Chelsea.
Players like Kanoute, Rossi, Pique, Forlan, Henry, RVN(last days at Man Utd) were struggling in the EPL but are now cult heroes in La Liga.
Gabriel Heinze couldn't displace Paddy Evra but Heinze is first choice in Real Madrid. . . . . .

Morientes and Shevchenko to name a few were top players but couldn't perform in the EPL.
You can't compare other leagues, you can't.

Pizarro, Kezman, Del Horno, Boulahrouz(Cannibal) and many more were all wastepipes when they came into the PREM.

Morientes and Shevchenko to name a few were top players but couldn't perform in the EPL.
You can't compare other leagues, you can't.

Tell me about the Legend of Santa cruz, McCarthy, Berbasulk and Fernando Torres using the same analogy you used above.

The moment they ply their trade outside the country,they feel and assume they are bigger than the country.

@kaypumpin,
Were they playing in Nigeria when they played US 94? Were the Senegalese players also playing at home when they did well in 2002?

Martins was in top for for Nigeria as an Inter Milan of Akure player, Utaka was a good player at Lens of Nnewi or Aghahowa was a superstar for Shaktar Donetsk of Ugheilli?

Really I wonder why some people have to make buffonery seem like a 9-5 paying job

All the Nigerians in EPL are old men abeg. Its not that EPL kills em. Its that they come to EPL too late in their careers. Amokachi had his best form for SE when he was with Everton.

~Sauron~:

Let DayoTWATnu continue to bleat like a castrated hillly billy.
Players need to be on top of their game to flourish in the EPL. . . . . .
Michael Ballack has been Germany's player of the year several times and he ain't even recognised in Chelsea.
Players like Kanoute, Rossi, Pique, Forlan, Henry, RVN(last days at Man Utd) were struggling in the EPL but are now cult heroes in La Liga.
Gabriel Heinze couldn't displace Paddy Evra but Heinze is first choice in Real Madrid. . . . . .

Pizarro, Kezman, Del Horno, Boulahrouz(Cannibal) and many more were all wastepipes when they came into the PREM.

Forget about being biased . . . . . .  I won't lie, the EPL is a tough league. The pace, the tempo, even the pressure from fans (ask Eboue) can knock you down.

Players like Diouf, Diao, Diop etc that DK mentioned were just average/good players in my opinion. Nothing really special.
I remember Vidic and Evra's debut, I almost cursed Fergie for making those atrocious signings.

Deco at Chelsea?? Veron at United?? Baptista at Arsenal??  These players didn't do anything majorly special with the reputation that came along with them. I'm still waiting for Deco to set the stage alight at the bridge.

Robinho's best games have been at the City of Manchester stadium. He has been clueless away from home this season.
EPL is tough let's be honest.

dayokanu:

Kanu's best days were outside the EPL when he was 6th in FIFA ranking, Yobo became so dull the moment he stepped into Everton,
What happened to the Bull from Brugge that was the toast of all Europe went to Everton and became crap.
Aghahowa, Martins, Utaka

Kanu simply couldn't match the level of the EPL after the heart operaton, and consdering the fact that Bergkamp and Henry were there forging an amazing strike team, he didn't stand any chance.

Yobo?? toast of Europe before Everton?? This dude became the bedrock of a team that qualified for the UCL.
His best times were definitely at Everton, where he learnt how to use his brain rather than his pace to defend

Aghahowa was just too old to prove himself . . . he was already too poor for Nigeria, even the competition at Wgan buried him.

Martins still scores whenever he's not injured, did you see him against Arsenal?? He made Gallas look like Lahm

dayokanu:

Drogba's best days were arguably in Marseille when He won Sharon's version of European footballer of the year.
You claimed they go to Carling cup squads and I told you of how Eboue has been crap for like ages and he still plays for the 1st team, Berbasulk has been crap for like 7 months and he still plays strolling all over. Rio has been crap for the better part of two years, Its Vidic excellence that is rubbing off him and protecting him and Rio still plays  , What of Malouda? He has been crap for the better part of 2 seasons and he still plays. right?

Assou Ekotto?? why not Owosu Abeyie?

Eboue has proven time and again that he's a EPL-class RB. The only reason he's been playing is the injury to key players in tha position
Drogba became African Footballer of the Year only when he came to the EPL, hell . . . the EPL made him world-class

And about Rio, if a patnership wins me both the League andthe UCL, there's no way I'm changing it
If the excellence is rubbing off on him to win trophies, then let it continue

You can't deny it, the EPL is what the Serie A was to Europe in the early 90s

dayokanu:

Tell me about the Legend of Santa cruz, McCarthy, Berbasulk and Fernando Torres using the same analogy you used above.

Obviously not everyone that comes to the premiership will suffer . . . . . . I'm just saying their chances are slim. We are not saying everyone that comes to the EPL will play shyte.

Moreover Santa Cruz has only performed well in one season only, what has he done this season? He is a good player tho, maybe if he hadn't got injured.

McCarthy?? How did he get into the list?? What rep did he bring into the premiership? Not much.

Berba is Class . . . . . . . a lot of people might not like the way he plays but he has proved himself in the last two season. "You can pay for school but you cant buy class"

Torres is playing in a better team at Liverpool. His goal ratio was not really that impressive for a player of his calibre.

dayokanu:


@kaypumpin,
Were they playing in Nigeria when they played US 94? Were the Senegalese players also playing at home when they did well in 2002?

Martins was in top for for Nigeria as an Inter Milan of Akure player, Utaka was a good player at Lens of Nnewi or Aghahowa was a superstar for Shaktar Donetsk of Ugheilli?

Really I wonder why some people have to make buffonery seem like a 9-5 paying job

I know you are a roach,seemed extinguished at one moment,only for you to come back,even with a fuller force
Maybe you may want to tell me about why Okonkwo who plies his trade in Germany was the most useless attacker we took to the last Olympics,and where is a newly improved" Christiantus?

Whilst i wouldn't be so myopic to attach their performances to the league in which they play week in,week out,hence presenting a weakend argument as you,i'd like you to know that Nigerian players are just buncha brats.They go to camp late,they do not respect camp rules et al.Unpatrotic bunch if i must say.

BTW,Adebayor plays in the same EPL,what do you have to say about him?

@ Chamotex,

I really love the way EPL guys and scummies in particular come up with excuses for shyte performances.

What about Thierry henry, Zola, Robinho and others what are the excuses?
For every Adebayor, Drogba and Essien how many Diao, Diop, Diouf, Diomansy Kamara, Henry Kamara, Aliou Cisse do we have

Are we really expecting a old man young blood Chrisantus to develop when it is obvious that he is at his peak?

dayokanu,
the truth is like u like football but ur location is the problem.
if u are in the usa, pls concentrate on basketball because u have nothing positive to offer in the game of soccer.
okocha become okocha the moment he takes on bolton and made his landmark there.
epl is very tough and if you have been following the interviews of players, they will all tell u it is a different ball game here.
have u asked urself why only players who are doing well in other leagues are bought by english league.
do u know who sheva is?
if you are talking about french league, it is like saying an eyinmba player is good. have u asked urself why in the goodness of french league, none of their players have been nominated for anything in the world.
look at the champions league, last year, it was 4 english clubs into the last eight of which if u make mistake of pairing the four with other league clubs, there will be the possiblities of having the four in the last four.
last year it was all english affairs and this year, it is looking like same will happen.
look at drogba and essien, they have been wonderful in french league but the only time fifa believe in them was when they proved themselves in epl.
oga, the competition is high. if u go to france today, taiwo can be rated as one of the best left backs but will u ever compare him to ashley cole of chelsea, bridge of man city, evra of man u.
epl is presently hosting the best defender in europe, the best midfielder, the best goal keeper, the best striker and the best world player so what is left mr obama?
i have told u to pls look for other forums and leave sports bcs u do not fit in here.
how can a mortuary attendant in america come to lecture us in football?
the uche, obasi and chrisantus that u mentioned here, are they musicians or footballers?
if they are footballers, where are they playing and what are their achievements so far?
they are all strikers, do u want to compare them to yakubu or martins abi drogba?
if u succeed in epl, u can play anywhere including inside the waters. can't u see so left over players in epl like pires, edu, henry, forlan, kanoute, diara are all doing very well in spanish league.

Sure

EPL is fast and furious most suited to ages btm 17 - 34 yrs Old but we all know that the African has chopped his age so by the time they enter the league the age don reach 31 years old real age. You have to be super fit to play in the EPL.

Premier league style of play hardly help our players.

They need to be in places like Spain and Italy.
It will make them stronger and more determined rather than famous and rich

eldee, you need to watch man utd more often, dayokanu hit the nail on d head

rio ferdinand has been shit for a while, (still believe, he is overrated with the 30 million man u paid for him, get outta here)

man utd would have been conceeding goals like its no ones business if not for vidic, but pp dont see these things

No.

some people just watch football to feel among. they should just stick to watching badly-dubbed mexican soaps on ait.  case in point the mongs in this thread saying rio ferdinand is crap.  which is why man u were shipping goals when he was injured .  both ferdinand and vidic are not as good without the other partnering them.

Our boys are just simply not good enough. Look at Ivory Coast players they play in the same league as us and their doing well for thier national team

Compare Utaka at lens to Utaka in Portsmouth

martins at Inter to martins of Newcastle

Aghahowa of Shaktar to Aghahowa of Wigan,

Compare Utaka at lens to Utaka in Portsmouth

martins at Inter to martins of Newcastle

Aghahowa of Shaktar to Aghahowa of Wigan,

Obama,
utaka had less competition in lens and when u play well at eyimba, there is nothing to guarrantee u a place in man u or liverpool. martins was not doing very well at inter otherwise they will not sale him. aghahowa is simply old.
can u see what epl did to kanu and okocha. do u know dickson etuhu and his brother.
the truth of the matter is that espn that is the only source of football in the usa does not even show epl.
can't u see how arsenal thrashed villeral, did u see liverpool flush real madrid? did u see man u drop inter? did u watch chelsea settle juve?
in ur place, how many lions does a man kill before u can call him lion killer?