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| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by maclatunji: 1:24pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
tegasgirl: My fellow Nigerians, do not over-sensationalise this issue. Yes, a misguided young Muslim tried to blow-up a plane, but thankfully he was caught. The Americans have their own way of dealing with such issues. I will not be surprised if they try to re-indoctrinate the guy to become their own Agent. I am sure a lot of us love to watch Action heroes from Hollywood killing hoards of "bad guys" like the Vietnamese (in Rambo), Russians in (James Bond), Iraqis in (Delta force) and so on. Who trained Osama Bin Laden? This exportation of violence in Movies and the real world by the Americans should be reduced for their own good. Do not loose too much sleep over America and its "War on terror." The Russians know this, and that is why they do not bother themselves with it. It is just a wholata Hypocrisy and Self-inflicted wahala. To my Muslim brothers, the greatest Jihad you can ever do, is the Jihad to cleanse your own soul. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by toluxa1(m): 3:19pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
I guess the guy had someone working on the 'inside'. Cos, how can someone on the US terrorist watchlist have been granted a US Visa into the US  |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by ChapelleS: 3:23pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
He had the VISA before the they put him on the watch list. Info from CNN has it that he was on watch list for the UK having refused him student VISA in May this year. He was not on 'no fly' list. There was not concrete evidence to warrant that. And moreover Nigerians are not known for terrorism. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by gidson12(m): 5:22pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
why is it that these Muslims are never at peace, even among themselfs, sucide bombing every where, see in pakistan a guy just blew himself inside a mosque yesteday |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Lacrisma(m): 5:24pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
they've promised them 72 fresh virgins. They want to dobo in heaven |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Roliks09: 5:52pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
I am tired of hearing bout the 72 virgins crap. Can u kindly quote your source? it is sad that Islam and muslims are the receiving end of this. It is also sad to see the inherent dislike most people have for muslims. All they just need are opportunities like this to display such. If Farouk had done sth good, he wouldnt be a northern muslim, he would be a Nigerian we all are proud of. That being said, he should be punished for his deeds. Again, I have seen the hatred Nigerians have for one another and as some1 said, its because of this that the country will remain d way it is. Its a bad tym 4 muslims and remind them that this shall pass. Its imperative that we are good ambassadors of our faith, wherever we are. A bad act by a muslim wil attract 2ce the same attention if it had been sme1 else. I refer all to quran chapter109 vs 1-6. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Skywalker5(m): 5:53pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Lacrisma:  Wetin do Earth? |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by gidson12(m): 6:28pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Sky-walker: virgins don finish for earth, u suppose know now, so fresh ones dey wait dem for heaven |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Lacrisma(m): 6:40pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
gidson12: i don laugh tire----HAAaaaaa! |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Sammy107d(m): 7:31pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
BBC just made an oddly reasonable report on the family's statement in Abuja, and the stance of Nigerians on the issue. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by iou111: 7:50pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
The fact that this dude was Nigerian is besides the point (though its quite unfortunate). This war is about certain folks that have endorsed violence in Islam. Attack should be directed to the root cause of this issue. Why be worried about the Nigerian image? The world would be stupid to generalize. History has revealed suicide bombers emerge from Ghana, Britain, US, Jamiaca, Israel e.t.c There are supposedly 550,000 people on the terrorist watch list! I am certain these folks represent different countries in the world. No country is immune! Whats with the campaign that Nigerians love life? "Let him who thinks he stands take heed least he falls". This should become a global war against this ridiculous cause. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by chocomillo(f): 8:07pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
It is no coincidence that the 'device' failed AGAIN. Africans are not generally a suicidal people for any cause.In fact,the records clearly shows that the suicidal muslims are mostly from the Arabian peninsula,where the sand has gotten mixed in with their brains  |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by No2Atheism(m): 8:12pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
chocomillo: - True that Africa are generally not suicidal . . . hence why its was easy to displace indigenous africans away from North Africa when Europeans and Arabs started taking over there . . . - Nevertheless please note that years of brainwashing through islam can do a lot of damage to the mind of a normal African . . . thereby turning a normally passive African into a suicidal one. . . - Hence at the end of the day . . .the problem is Islam (cus these people are basically carrying out what [b]Islam tells them to do) |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Robotnik: 8:20pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Face of a Terrorist
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| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by ElRazur: 8:57pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Hi guys. I suppose the dust have settled a little bit now and time to start asking some questions. I am about to make a post that is questioning certain things in relation to Islam, please do not see this as an attack on Islam. Surely, any religion should not be afraid of questioning when things appears a bit fuzzy? And no, I am not turning this into any Islamaphobia, those who know me will realise I am a person of no religion. I have seen the countless condemnation from Nigerians, West Africans and a lot of Human beings of all sorts. Yet one thing that I am yet to see is a condemnation from a prominent Islamic figure. Perhaps I missed it? A few of you may be wondering as to why I am making this post, but if any of you follow my posts, I have made it clear that in these times, people have started making an association between Islam, violence and terrorism [whether right or wrong], just the same way there is an association of Catholic churches with Child sexual abuse. I noticed that when Islam feels threatened or several questions that are considered blasphemous are asked, the prominent islamic leaders are quick to issue a fatua [Fatua is like a direct other which ask every muslim in the world to kill a particular person as it is necessary]. If anyone remembers the Author Suleman Rushdie, a fatua was placed on his head for his works he published against Islam. Yet here we are, a guy who appears to have travelled to re-known terrorist haven and intent on blowing up a plane but failed in the process. How come no prominent Islamic figure have come out to condemn these attacks? How come no Emir, Sultan or some Grand Khadir have come out to speak against this atrocity? Surely, if any prominent islamic scholar can issue a fatua on the head of anyone, if Islam can go on a rampage for silly things like a drawing of a cartoon, surely, it wont be hard to issue a condemnation of this particular act? I have tried speaking to my friend - who is a Muslim - but he is not able to provide an answer, but instead try and ask if christains should apologise for the action of one man. Well, my argument is that right now, I do not care about the Christian scenario he is painted. This is about Islam, and as such let us deal with that. After all, this guy read the same Quran as any other muslims and prayed 5 times a day as them and most likely give sakath. . . .So why no one is making no condemnation? If no condemnation is forth coming, this is doing nothing but reinforcing the view that Islam, violence and terrorism goes hand in hand. Opinions please. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by No2Atheism(m): 9:01pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
ElRazur: - The answer and reason is simple, its because those prominent figures know that Islam supports terrorism . . . hence their silence. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by kayc33(m): 9:05pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Breaking News: Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula claims responsibility for attempted Christmas airline attack in U.S. SOURCE: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/28/airline.terror.attempt/index.html |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by ElRazur: 9:06pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
No2Atheism: Please give the people who are Muslims a chance to say something.  |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by koolchicco: 9:10pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
ElRazur: JAMB QUESTIONS!! |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by debosky(m): 9:11pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
ElRazur: The Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs (SCIA) of Nigeria has condemned it through their secretary general - they have said it is an isolated act and condemned in it's totality. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8431530.stm
Again, it has been spoken against. The fact is, there are many extremist sects within the Islamic community and they will often receive criticism. The fact is, the media is not as interested in condemnation of violence as they are in tacit endorsement of violence.
The issue is more complicated than that - some will argue that it is a matter of interpretation, after all the peaceful and moderate Muslims of Senegal read the same Quran, so do the Muslims of Tanzania who have never been involved in any terrorist activity. One might also say the same bible was read by members of doomsday cults who end up killing their members.
There will inevitably be condemnations, however the key issue for me is examining those portions of the Qur'an and Hadiths that appear to promote violence and have a debate on these issues. Failure to do so will result in blanket condemnations which do little to shed more light on the issue. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by ElRazur: 9:26pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
debosky: That is good, however what weight does it carry? I am very sceptical. Again, it has been spoken against. The fact is, there are many extremist sects within the Islamic community and they will often receive criticism. The fact is, the media is not as interested in condemnation of violence as they are in tacit endorsement of violence. A one time condemnation do not make cover the previous atrocities. Where was the condemnation during the Denmark violence? During the Miss Nigeria fiasco, During the various clashes as a result of differences in religion? Will there be condemnation if the whole media wasnt focused on this issue right now? Having said that, it is good to see one coming. The issue is more complicated than that - some will argue that it is a matter of interpretation, after all the peaceful and moderate Muslims of Senegal read the same Quran, so do the Muslims of Tanzania who have never been involved in any terrorist activity. One might also say the same bible was read by members of doomsday cults who end up killing their members. We all know the issues are complicated. The complications are one of many reasons people like me do not engage or induldge in religion of any form. In some ways, you may have hit the nail on the head there, perhaps all religion are all forms of cult in one for or the other?
Dude I am open up for a debate, but you go right ahead to the so called Islamic section to try and debate issues you have raised and your thread get locked quicker than one can blink. Why is that? Overall, I am in some way happy that a condemnation was made, but the weight it carries is something I am sceptical of. Bokoharam and co, and those who want sharia imposed on those who are even non-muslims clearly do not subscribe to this SCIA. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Roliks09: 10:13pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Oga Debosky, thanks for the detailed reply. Muslims in this forum have condemned the action and have asked that the man be punished accordinly. You are right in saying that the glamorous coverage is given to acts of violence than the condemnation of such asks. Someone asked if there anything was said bout the Boko Haram et al issues and the answer is yes. Islamic clerics were interviewed and they all spoke vehemently against the issue. It is unfortunate that extremist acts is all people have to remind them of Islam. However,for a learned mind hoping to make good and sound judgements, some research must be done. Knowlege must sought,for it is knowledge which makes us different. People should be objective enough to grab a copy of the quran and read,in order to be able to form opinions; opinions not based on hearsays but reached through a thorough understandin. If one looks at the way democracy is practiced in Nigeria,one will readily conclude it is the worst system of governance. Bt is it? let us all graduate beyond the level of making hasty generalisations because of some bad eggs. It is then that we show our difference and can rightly be labelled as educated. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Nobody: 10:15pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Now we have to prepare for more thorough searches at airports, declination of visas, thanks to Farouk!   |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by ElRazur: 10:22pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Roliks09 Where are these cleric before BokoHaram striked? What weight does a bunch of muslims on Nairaland carries? Just questions that are obvious. It is all good, to try and claim a moral high ground and talk about knowledge and what not. Like I said before, there is a perception that Islam encourages violence and terrorism or is this not true? And like I said before people like Osama, Bokoharam et al read the same Quran as you. Why the love for violence? This is something that needs to be addressed. Further more on the condemnation made my so called Muslims here, can you imagine the massive difference it will make if someone who is prominent and well known comes out to make a public condemnation, surely this perception will slowly start to fade away. No offence, but your post is coming across as one of the reasons why people have these reinforced view, you haven't addressed anything but instead try to come across as saying "oh grab the quran and read and be knowledgeable" Jeez, surely, I can debate how is Islam is perceived without having to read some book written specifically for Islam? |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by debosky(m): 10:50pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
ElRazur: It is the highest Islamic body in Nigeria so it carries the corporate weight of the Muslim community in Nigeria.
Like I mentioned earlier, there will be condemnations, but what is more important is what goes on in private and much lower in the mosques and groupings that the individuals spring from.
I don't know whether all 'religion' can be described as a cult or the other but one thing is sure - human beings will use whatever medium, be it Islam, Christianity, atheism - take your pick, to carry out hateful crimes. All they often do is use these belief systems as a justification for their pre-determined evil actions. This however, does not take away the patently violent teachings that exist within Islam.
The debates there quickly get out of hand and descend into threats, name calling and do not lead to any useful elucidation of the matters at hand. After frequent efforts to try to moderate those discussions alongside other religious talk, the decision was made to make a separate section for Islam. Threads perceived to be going down the paths previously seen are locked up to prevent a breakdown of civility.
There can never be a single body to speak for everyone - that is why there are so many splinter groups and separate views to be found in general. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by tdmoggy: 10:55pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
Wetin concern us concern afganistan, or palestine or yemen ? Instead of concentrating on getting a job, this silly son of Nigeria, has decided to spoil our name. The branding of Nigerians as 419'ners, and corrupt people is not bad enough, he has now added terorism to our sorows. We were already being treated poorly at international airports, now it will only get worse. In my opinion, I suggest that that there is a more pertinent problem with Islamic fundamentalism which is rife in some parts of Nothern nigeria. Whether we like it or not, there are many more people like this boy in Nigeria. They probably do not have the same financial means as Farouk, but they certainly share his ideology. For example, I know for a fact that some Islamic schools in kano do teach hatred of the USA, the west and Israel to very young children. The evidence we see of the behaviour of fundamentalists muslims in the North during riots, (i.e the killing and violence usually perpertuated towards christians) leads me to question whether Islamic fundamentalism in Niegria is not a time bomb waiting to tear this country apart. Add to that, the whole issue of sharia law and how fundamentalist muslims are prepared to kill people who apparently convert from Islam, stone women to death that are despoiled, or marry off 13 year old girls to peodophiles in the name of so called "islamic practices" based on sharia laws or islamic customs, dragging us back to the stone ages. Usama Binl Laden, Al-qaueda and their cohorts have an agenda to forcibly islamise the world and there are many people in Northern nigeria that subscribe to this ideology. As much as i hope i am wrong, I am very much afraid that this Faroukh Abdulmutalab may just be one of several Nigerian members of Al-queaida waiting to be "activated" when the time is right. Aside from thanking God that this treacherous son did not succeed, one possible good thing that may come out of this is that more focus will definely be on the scourge of islamic radicalism and fundamentalism that is often swept under the carpet in nigeria. If not from any body else, thanks to Farouk Mutalab, the international security agencies and international press will certainly pay some attention to Northern Nigeria from now on, and Nigerians will certainly be given "special treatment at western airports". The sooner we wake up to the scourge of radical islam in Northern Nigeria, the better we will be. food for thought, |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by ibro911(m): 11:00pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
No2Atheism:@ no2atheism, i think you should shut the hell up and leave nairaland. God gave you a brain to use to think. can you tell me how it is possible for Islam to 'support' something that leads to the loss of lives of muslims?? i'm a muslim on a plane and i see another muslim with a bomb by my side trying to detonate it. you think i'll NOT try to stop the person?? you think i'll say ''oh, what a great idea. why dont we just suicide-bomb the plane together and die for our religion while killing hundreds of innocent people, muslims included'' you think muslims too are not scared of getting on a plane or whatever with a suicide bomber in it? if i was in front of you, i'll terrorist-attack your brain for being so useless. i didnt even want to come to nairaland cos the thoughts of the responses of people like you were in my head.i regret the fact that i did. there should be a way of marking dumb people on NL so we can know how to avoid you. please be sensible |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by ElRazur: 11:04pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
debosky: Dude by your own admissions, you have mentioned that no single body speaks for everyone. . . . And in the same explanation try to push the idea a single entity [of a group] carries such weight? I won't waste much time on this one, but it is clear that such group carries very little influence. Prominent figures like Sultan, Emirs and Islamic scholars that are perceived as a leader, religion-leader and spiritual guide carries more weight than the so call Islamic body. Like I mentioned earlier, there will be condemnations, but what is more important is what goes on in private and much lower in the mosques and groupings that the individuals spring from. Agreed. This is the part that translation of things in the quran can either promote islam or put it on a clash route with others. Having said that, a condemnation from prominent figure goes a long way in influencing people. I don't know whether all 'religion' can be described as a cult or the other but one thing is sure - human beings will use whatever medium, be it Islam, Christianity, atheism - take your pick, to carry out hateful crimes. All they often do is use these belief systems as a justification for their pre-determined evil actions. This however, does not take away the patently violent teachings that exist within Islam. Again I partly agree on this one, especially the last bit about violent teachings. As for the issue of cult and religion, I am of the belief that the similarities between both are enough to make them the same. It is just like how Non-major religion are referred to as Paganism etc, when it actual fact, they bear the hallmarks of a religion in the first place, but that is another debate for another time. The debates there quickly get out of hand and descend into threats, name calling and do not lead to any useful elucidation of the matters at hand. After frequent efforts to try to moderate those discussions alongside other religious talk, the decision was made to make a separate section for Islam. Threads perceived to be going down the paths previously seen are locked up to prevent a breakdown of civility. Dude. You know how I am direct with my approach, I have made thread trying to clarify issues like Violence, Muhammad's sex with an under-age, the teachings of the quran when it comes to issuing fatua etc. . . But all get locked down. Why really is the logic? If the people over at the Islamic section are up for a clean debate, I am more than happy to ask those questions again. There can never be a single body to speak for everyone - that is why there are so many splinter groups and separate views to be found in general. The For the purpose of this debate, you will find that the Pope and vatican city speaks for the One billion plus Catholics on several issues. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by Roliks09: 11:11pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
@el-razur, u'r right bout a prominent person coming out to speak against it. Now who would that be? u read that it has been condemned on the website of supreme council for islamic affairs and someone asked if it had enough weight. I dont think anyone who comes on air will be satisfactory enough cos then people will say again that what else is expected. It is the views of ordinary people that should count. Yeah, there's a tendency to violence among arabs and hausas but I'd say its more cultural than religious. If u read my earlier posts, I have enjoind muslims to be good ambassadors. There's little one can do here. My response was borne out of the unguided remarks made here,hence the demand for people to know more before talking. Still using the democracy line of thought,ther's a huge difference btw democracy as it is practised here, and democracy as it ought to be practiced. Yet we dont clamour for a overhaul of the system because we know it is the bad peeps here that are misrepresenting it. Use that analogy for Islam too. Dats y I said that people shud know mre. If sme1 came from mars and the first point of call is naija, dat person may hate democracy. Its left for the person to make that conclusion or tarry until he visits another country where the people decide to make things work rightly. @tdmoggy, bethroting a child out is more cultural than religious. Have u by chance 4gotten that child porn is rife in the US? And that in some countries age of consent is 14 yrs? |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by debosky(m): 11:17pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
ElRazur: It is safe to say that all major Islamic leaders in Nigeria - the emirs and sultans, are the people who compose the SCIA. . .as a result they are speaking with the same voice in that regard and represent the overwhelming majority of Nigerian Muslims. My comment regarding a single body speaking for everyone was simply to highlight the fact that there are deviations from the accepted 'norm', even in religion.
Again, this 'prominent' figure - be it Emir, Chief Imam, etc, will have little influence on the goings on in a mosque in Kaura Namoda or in Funtua where an extremist, maverick cleric might be the one running things. Very few of the Islamic uprisings have started from the large Islamic groupings in the world - the Indonesians and Indians hold the largest Islamic populations yet you will be hard pressed to see the kind of terrorist militancy found in other Islamic communities.
You can try - if you can keep the debate on track and avoid a descent into mayhem, you'll be worthy of a nairaland award.
Yes, but does the Pope speak for all Christians? Are all Christians Catholics? There are Protestants, Evangelicals, Orthodox and so many others. In the same regard, there are Shiite, Sunni, Wahabbi and other variants of Islam out there as well. In each case, no monolithic authority exists that can use it's influence on all adherents. |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by bidemi12(m): 11:43pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
ibro911: Bro's cool down na. don't blow up a plane because of this issue oooo. (Just joking), but you still have to wonder why a huge % of suicide attacks are perpetuated by muslim faithfuls. If you were not a muslim wont logic make you question the teachings of islam? why is it that majority of the followers of the faith are fanatics and very intolerant? sometimes i believe that since the religion somewhat discourages education, that alone is a catalyst for mayhem. e.g women/girls are shot in afghanistan for going to school. And of course, not to go too far, our muslim brothers in the north. it is almost as if education to majority of muslims is like water to a dirty man; a taboo |
| Re: Nigerian Man Attempts To Detonate Explosive On Delta Flight In US by ElRazur: 11:47pm On Dec 28, 2009 |
debosky: No, it is not safe to make such assumptions. A quick check on their website reveals little or nothing, and some of the names posted appears to be "commoners" http://www.islamic-council.org/books.html [right website ?]Again, this 'prominent' figure - be it Emir, Chief Imam, etc, will have little influence on the goings on in a mosque in Kaura Namoda or in Funtua where an extremist, maverick cleric might be the one running things. Very few of the Islamic uprisings have started from the large Islamic groupings in the world - the Indonesians and Indians hold the largest Islamic populations yet you will be hard pressed to see the kind of terrorist militancy found in other Islamic communities. Traditionally, prominent people ain't called prominent figures for nothing. In places like Nigeria where respect, fear and authority are attributed to them, they can make a difference in the "radicalisation" of individuals. Besides, we have an ingrained culture of where we tend to listen and take on board what prominent figure says instead of a faceless organisation. A prominent figure can give words that can easily make the public view turn against a radical iman or some "Alufa" down the mosque encouraging terrorism. Oga, "hard pressed" is not the same as it aint happening. but yeah I see what you mean.
When he apologised for the role of the Catholics in WW2 or so? You damn right he spoke for those "sect" of Christians and those who feel affiliated with them. The point I am making is that for every sect, there is a leader or prominent person of some kind that if he/she speaks, there is bound to be people from these different sects paying attention. Surely, while we appreciate the differences in Islam, I am sure a prominent figure like an Emir/Sultan/what ever giving a condemnation at this point will be seen in a positive light? |
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