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Offline Downloading by bodejohn(m): 3:45pm On Mar 28, 2010
@ All
I want to bring up this topic here again. It has been discussed on the main TV/Movies thread before.
Interest in it gradually went down because it difficult to get the hardware required for it to work.
But with the efforts of members like Olofofo and others in the computer village, the hard is now readily available.
With the renewed interest in Eutelsat W3 by members on this forum I like to re-start this thread here.

In summary, offline downloading is the ability to download files without internet.
You can get unlimited videos, music, pictures, documents etc free of charge by just putting on your computer (desktop & laptop)
It requires a dvb-s pci or usb card connected to this frequency 12520 H 27500 on W3.

I will be here to answer any question on how to make it work.
I also have all the files necessary for it to work.
Re: Offline Downloading by GeorgeD1(m): 4:42pm On Mar 28, 2010
bodejohn,
are you sure this works?
Re: Offline Downloading by Nobody: 5:24pm On Mar 28, 2010
Op i av a P4 laptop&watch w3a at home.Now pls give me bit by bit info on how the two things that i av can work.If im impressed i can contact u during easter break. Respond
Re: Offline Downloading by bodejohn(m): 9:50pm On Mar 28, 2010
George_D:

bodejohn,
are you sure this works?

I am not only sure it works, i have been using it for close to 2 years.

toba:

Op i av a P4 laptop&watch w3a at home.Now pls give me bit by bit info on how the two things that i av can work.If im impressed i can contact u during easter break. Respond

You need to get the dvb-s card in your case a usb because of your laptop.
After that i can guide you to make it work.
Re: Offline Downloading by Chuckdee(m): 10:26pm On Mar 28, 2010
This is an interesting one Bodejohn. I have some questions though. How fast is the download speed from this link? say, how long will it take to download a 700MB Divx movie file? Also, can you basically surf the net using this? if not from where then do you get to find files that you will download. I was of the knowledge that internet pathway usually is a 2-way process i.e uplink and download, I know that the Sat in question is just oneway-down link, how then does this work. Pls do shed more light to this and thanks for bringing it up again.
Re: Offline Downloading by jesus3: 10:53pm On Mar 28, 2010
Can one get d dvb-s anywhere in Lagos or from u? Any idea about the price? Apart from downloading can it browse as well.Pls answer all my request
Re: Offline Downloading by cooldud62: 11:00pm On Mar 28, 2010
how much will everything cost?
Re: Offline Downloading by Chuckdee(m): 1:53am On Mar 29, 2010
This is an interesting one Bodejohn. I have some questions though. How fast is the download speed from this link? say, how long will it take to download a 700MB Divx movie file? Also, can you basically surf the net using this? if not from where then do you get to find files that you will download. I was of the knowledge that internet pathway usually is a 2-way process i.e uplink and download, I know that the Sat in question is just oneway-down link, how then does this work. Pls do shed more light to this and thanks for bringing it up again.
Re: Offline Downloading by microgiant: 8:53am On Mar 29, 2010
jesus.:

Apart from downloading can it browse as well. Pls answer all my request

Sorry to be disappointed, apart from downloading you cannot browse, even the downloading part you don't control it. You only receive what someone else is downloading. Some of the software have filters which you can customise to allow particular type of files you are interested in. If the original person downloading stops the process, yours equally stop. Look at it this way, if you have a FM radio, especially the type that scans and there is a radio (walkie talkie) communication going on, you can actually hear the communication very clearly but you can't join the conversation, neither can you interrupt it in any way except stopping your end by switching off or changing channels
Re: Offline Downloading by Nobody: 1:23pm On Mar 29, 2010
Nice microgiant

microgiant:

Sorry to be disappointed, apart from downloading you cannot browse, even the downloading part you don't control it. You only receive what someone else is downloading. Some of the software have filters which you can customise to allow particular type of files you are interested in. If the original person downloading stops the process, yours equally stop. Look at it this way, if you have a FM radio, especially the type that scans and there is a radio (walkie talkie) communication going on, you can actually hear the communication very clearly but you can't join the conversation, neither can you interrupt it in any way except stopping your end by switching off or changing channels
Re: Offline Downloading by GeorgeD1(m): 1:43pm On Mar 29, 2010
bodejohn,
can you confirm what micro said above?

is it true that you cannot browse with it only to download?
Re: Offline Downloading by Chuckdee(m): 2:10pm On Mar 29, 2010
@ Mod, pls why is my post being deleted?? Kindly re-instate if all is well (I think is the Bot)
Thanks
Re: Offline Downloading by Gangsta101(m): 11:04am On Mar 30, 2010
offline downloading is truly a cool aspect of FTA which most people are not into yet. its major limitation is hardware. u need fairly steady signals and a dvb s card or box. when next i sit on my laptop i will give out details of my experience.
Re: Offline Downloading by GeorgeD1(m): 4:45pm On Mar 30, 2010
nobody has confirmed yet if the server is useful for browsing too
apart from just downloading stuff.
Re: Offline Downloading by bodejohn(m): 7:00pm On Mar 30, 2010
George_D:

bodejohn,
can you confirm what micro said above?

is it true that you cannot browse with it only to download?

This setup is only used for downloading as the thread title suggests.

George_D:

nobody has confirmed yet if the server is useful for browsing too
apart from just downloading stuff.

It is possible to use it to browse but you need to subscribe with skylogic.
And buy some other hardware.

I do not know the price of the pci or usb box but it should not be more than 10 - 15k
Re: Offline Downloading by Chuckdee(m): 7:04pm On Mar 30, 2010
This is an interesting one Bodejohn.

I have some questions though. How fast is the download speed from this link? say, how long will it take to download a 700MB Divx movie file? Also, can you basically surf the net using this? if not from where then do you get to find files that you will download. I was of the knowledge that internet pathway usually is a 2-way process i.e uplink and download, I know that the Sat in question is just oneway-down link, how then does this work. Pls do shed more light to this and thanks for bringing it up again.
Re: Offline Downloading by GeorgeD1(m): 7:07pm On Mar 30, 2010
bodejohn,
copy that. no joy in downloading without being able to browse. grin
Re: Offline Downloading by Gangsta101(m): 2:34am On Apr 01, 2010
well George let me explain the benefit.
First of all one isn.t truly downloading. what the setup.does for u is to filter through what other people who use that particular satellite internet provider are currently downloading and "catch" it for you.
now that might not sound useful but consider this. most of us here in s/saharan africa have very nonsense internet access speed. lets say a movie comes out. e.g AVATAR. you would like to download from rapidshare or wherever. only problem is that it will take u 3 - 6 days. now someone in russia has fast access via w3a, he can wrap up his download in 3 - 5hours. it wouldn't then be a bad thing to tag along, would it? Thats why its called fishing, u cast ur net for a few hours and see what u can reel in.
sha its not really that simple, if your signal strength isn't at least 80%, then u will experience breakage of signals at irregular intervals which may make the movie unwatchable. also u may end up with a huge pile of junk e.g porn, and other stuff. truthfully, i haven't ever gotten a full movie, but i think it is cause of my setup.
Re: Offline Downloading by Nobody: 4:41am On Apr 01, 2010
For effective communication, there's to be a complete transmission and reception of signal.
Surfing the internet with the current setup for FTA is very difficult to achieve because with the way the Set Top Boxes are designed, they are meant only to receive and decode signals but not to transmit and encode signal. With this shortcoming alone, its never possible, unless the company introduce another brand of STB to function in that mode.
Re: Offline Downloading by microgiant: 9:28am On Apr 01, 2010
bodejohn:

This setup is only used for downloading as the thread title suggests.

It is possible to use it to browse but you need to subscribe with skylogic.
And buy some other hardware.

I do not know the price of the pci or usb box but it should not be more than 10 - 15k

@all

Offline downloading also known as fishing is a system that enables you to receive files being downloaded by registered satellite internet users. As the nickname implies, see it as somebody casting a net to fish, you don’t know before hand what will come up with the net, until you haul in your net. Those who have fished or witnessed it being done will agree that when you cast a net into the river, the result is unpredictable; fish, other sea animals, twigs, remains of dead animals, etc gets caught up. The same applies to offline downloading. After installing your hardware (Computer - with PCI & USB Satellite Card, any size KU Band Dish) and software (fishing software), you are set to go. Point the satellite dish to a satellite with internet service provider, configure your software and you are ready to go. From my earlier post, you can not determine what you want to download, the software just grabs whatever is floating in the air within the coverage area of the ISP your dish is pointed to.

Alternatively, there is one way internet


One-way satellite
You use both a dial-up and a satellite modem for this kind of connection. As it name implies, only communicates with the Internet in one direction i.e. you can download information from the Internet at high speed via satellite, but you do not send it via the satellite. The return channel for uploading data to the Internet in a one-way satellite broadband installation is often by ISDN line or dial-up modem.
First, you connect to the Internet via your dial-up modem. When you click on a link to view a different Internet page, the process really begins. While normally your request would go directly to the web server, with Satellite Internet it is actually sent to your provider's Network Operations Center (NOC) and the NOC forwards the request to the web server.
The web server sends back the page to NOC which transmits it to the satellite which bounces it back to be picked up by the satellite dish mounted on your house. The data is then sent through the dish into the satellite modem, which translates it for your computer. The entire process from requesting the page to receiving the page takes no more than one-half of one second.
The limitation : Because one-way satellite solutions operate in only one direction (i.e. the satellite dish can receive data but not send it), you still need to maintain your dial-up modem or ISDN connection to be able to request information from the Internet. This means that if you have only one phone line, your phone-line is tied up while you are accessing the Internet. Furthermore you still need to pay for a dial-up or ISDN account with your Internet service provider.
http://www.tech-guide.org/satellite_internet.htm

Other providers of similar service
http://www.rockbridge.net/satellite.htm
http://www.broadsat.com/en/index
http://www.macrosat.com/oneway-internet.html
http://www.rapid.co.uk/si_oneway.html
Re: Offline Downloading by microgiant: 9:36am On Apr 01, 2010
Tried to post but it was being deleted

Re: Offline Downloading by mjay(m): 5:45pm On Apr 01, 2010
very informative. Bsds its d kind of thing 'mweb was offering' dont know if de r still ard. Fstv also try offering bundle internet in those days, dont know wethr they suceeded sha.
Re: Offline Downloading by Gangsta101(m): 5:33am On Apr 03, 2010
Oga Twins,
2 days back, i posted a response to George,s question. i came in yesterday and didnt see it again, i thot it was a temp glitch, but its still not here so i'm wondering what happened?
Re: Offline Downloading by GeorgeD1(m): 1:05pm On Apr 03, 2010
from microgiant's write up, looks like it's still early days yet for this satellite internet thing. sad
Re: Offline Downloading by Gangsta101(m): 6:43am On Apr 04, 2010
Actually internet via satellite is quite common in some places. anyone interested can do a google search of nairaland, Nash-FTA once posted something to that effect. there are services from skylogic which are easy.to install and quite cheap. But another way to access the internet via satellite is to use the satellite for downlink and a regular phone line or gprs connection for the uplink. this is not so bad if your uploads are not so.much and gives u great access to very high download speeds. the downside is that you pay two sets of subscription fees to your two providers.
BUT, (and i only mention this to be silent about it forever on THIS thread).A few persons have claimed to be able to browse without  cost using this setup and a dvbs card (great card by the way). i neva got around to trying it out though, because i was free in the yellow way, but the info is out there for anyone interested.
Re: Offline Downloading by bodejohn(m): 4:42pm On Apr 04, 2010
Gangsta101:

Actually internet via satellite is quite common in some places. anyone interested can do a google search of nairaland, Nash-FTA once posted something to that effect. there are services from skylogic which are easy.to install and quite cheap. But another way to access the internet via satellite is to use the satellite for downlink and a regular phone line or gprs connection for the uplink. this is not so bad if your uploads are not so.much and gives u great access to very high download speeds. the downside is that you pay two sets of subscription fees to your two providers.
BUT, (and i only mention this to be silent about it forever on THIS thread).A few persons have claimed to be able to browse without cost using this setup and a dvbs card (great card by the way). i neva got around to trying it out though, because i was free in the yellow way, but the info is out there for anyone interested.

Can you give more details on this at the backyard?
Re: Offline Downloading by Gangsta101(m): 7:01pm On Apr 04, 2010
No probs. will do that right away.
Re: Offline Downloading by GeorgeD1(m): 2:15pm On Apr 05, 2010
well done, gangsta!
Re: Offline Downloading by Gangsta101(m): 10:32am On Apr 08, 2010
Bodejohn
what prog are u using for fishing. i am using skynet. my signal strength for the TP 12728 is less than 75% so i still get a lot of breaks in my downloads. also i had to loop.the lnb via the decoder because a direct connection gives me 5% less signal strength. also my pidscanner isnt working so i cant try out othee sats yet infact i am only able to.download now by manually inputting the pids you guys posted in the previous thread. gow about you, have you tried out other sats?
Re: Offline Downloading by bodejohn(m): 5:53pm On Apr 08, 2010
I use progdvb 4.82 and skynet.
I still use the pids i have had for like two years.
I am not sure i understand what you mean by entering pids manually.
I have not tried other sats.
Re: Offline Downloading by Gangsta101(m): 8:33pm On Apr 08, 2010
If you check up page 2 of the previous thread, u will see where dvbguy attached his regex.txt and skynet.ini files. those were what i downloaded. cos after installing mine. it wasn't working well, so i just used his and voila, i was downloading. initially, i had to copy out the PIDs you guys posted and manually enter them by editing my regex file. but i really need to get my PIDscanner to work so i can check out the data services on nss7, their signal strength is higher so/maybe i can get betterdownloads from.them.
Re: Offline Downloading by salamander(m): 8:42am On Apr 09, 2010
Good stuff there at the backyard

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