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Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by deyemy: 6:07am On Nov 12, 2010
[b]WHY NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD OR TO BE GOOD IS THAT.(1)HE CAME IN FLESH SO AS PAY THE PRICE OF OUR SIN WHICH IS SHEDING HIS BLOOD AND A SPIRIT CAN NOT SHED BLOOD BECOUSE IN THAT BLOOD LIES THE LIFE SO IT IS ONLY IN FLESH THAT THE BLOOD CAN BE SHED,SO IN THAT FLESH NO MAN CAN BE PERFECT.FOR IN THAT FLESH THROUGH THE FIRST MAN ADAM,ALL HAVE SIN AND HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.SO FOR US TO BE REDEEMED BACK INTO THAT LOST GLORY WE NEED TO SHED BLOOD.IF U READ THE OLD TESTAMENT,U WILL NOTICE THAT ANYTIME THAT THEY SIN THEY WILL SHED THE BLOOD OF A RAM OR SHEEP.BUT THE BLOOD OF THOSE ANIMAL IS NOT PERFECT ENOUGH TO REDEEM THE SOUL OF A HUMAN BEING FOR ETERNITY,THAT IS WHY GOD NOW DESCEND IN FLESH TO REDEEM US WITH THE BLOOD FROM A FLESH LIKE US.IF U EVEN READ THE RESSURECTION OF CHRIST.WHEN HE RESSURECTED KNOW ONE KNEW HIM AGAIN COZ HE HAS CHANGED HIS MISSION IS OVER ON EARTH AMONG MEN OF FLESH AND HE IS GOING BACK TO HIS OFFICE AS GOD.SO IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR IF U CAN READ THE BIBLE VERY WELL AND ASK FOR THE EXPLANATION FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT.[/b]
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by deyemy: 6:17am On Nov 12, 2010
AND PLEASE NOTE THAT JESUS CHRIST DID NOT COME FOR CHRISTAINITY HE CAME AS A SYMBOL OF SALVATION.SO JESUS CHRIST IS NOT PREACHING RELIGION HE CAME TO PAY THE PRICE OF OUR SALVATION.SO IF U MISQUOTING JESUS CHRIST AS A RELIOUS STATUE THAN U ARE WRONG.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by vedaxcool(m): 8:00am On Nov 12, 2010
^^^^^^
Pls show that we have misquoted Jesus.
Deep Sight:

That does not answer the question, for Muhammad is not claimed to be God.

[size=18pt]It remains curious that the one you claim to be God pointedly denied knowledge of the day of judgment stating that only the one he worshipped knew such.

Incidentally he also denied being 'good' deliberately reserving that description for another.

I wonder why.[/size]


Deep sight I have asked this question severally, yet Alethia and his cohorts, have no answer to it, I bet they will not answer this simple question,
vedaxcool:

Jesus was asked when the Day of Judgement is and guess what his answer was no MAN knows that day which of course included himself the question is was he Lying or telling the truth, We all know God knows when the day of Judgement is, so Jesus ignorance of the day of Judgement is very ungodly indeed! grin grin grin grin
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by Ramtzy: 8:06am On Nov 12, 2010
reason II
    my food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to complete his work : math 5: 17 :this is another confirmatory statement from the MAN JESUS himself.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by Ramtzy: 8:24am On Nov 12, 2010
AND PLEASE NOTE THAT JESUS CHRIST DID NOT COME FOR CHRISTAINITY HE CAME AS A SYMBOL OF SALVATION.SO JESUS CHRIST IS NOT PREACHING RELIGION HE CAME TO PAY THE PRICE OF OUR SALVATION.SO IF U MISQUOTING JESUS CHRIST AS A RELIOUS STATUE THAN U ARE WRONG.


he couldn`t have came for the christain because he was never a christain nor founder of christainity rather paul. so paying price is completely out of quote cos he siad "the father shall not be put to death for the children nor shall the children be put to death for the father, every man shall be put to death for his own sin" deut 24:16. for more on this read ezk 18:14-21
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by aletheia(m): 5:09pm On Nov 12, 2010
Deep Sight:

That does not answer the question, for Muhammad is not claimed to be God.

It remains curious that the one you claim to be God pointedly denied knowledge of the day of judgment stating that only the one he worshipped knew such.

Incidentally he also denied being 'good' deliberately reserving that description for another.

I wonder why.

@Deep Sight: The question has been answered severally on other threads. As for Muhammad not been claimed to be God. . .how little you know of the implications of the titles ascribed to Him.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by DeepSight(m): 5:12pm On Nov 12, 2010
Haba. Islam does not claim him to be ALLAH. That is a fact.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by vedaxcool(m): 5:20pm On Nov 12, 2010
^^^^^
Chairman, alethia is trying hard not to answer the simple question I posed to him, Yet, without shame he refuse correction, Again I repeat, Jesus did not know the day of Judgement or was he lying or telling the truth, it will be very ungodly for Jesus to say he did not know the day of Judgement.

Mohammad pbuh said " if he had the knowledge of the unseen, then no misfortune would have befallen him and he would have doubled his success.
and even the Muhammad Pbuh does not know the day of Judgement because he is very much a man and never claimed divinity, now Alethia explain why you god did not know the day of Judgement or did his other partners kept the secret from him?
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by bashydemy(m): 10:05pm On Nov 12, 2010
Nice Question Vedaxcool
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by deyemy: 3:29am On Nov 14, 2010
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why did u excpect him to say anything out.even when he knew that judas is going to betray him.he never told anyone or pursued him frm his disciple.those of u trying to turn d bible upside down beware of the consiquence.coz itz a destructive punishment frm the holy spirit.u better go on with ur life than inflicting urself with greater predicament
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by deyemy: 3:34am On Nov 14, 2010
OH YE GENERATION OF THE VIPER,WELL JESUS SAID IT,BY THEIR FRUIT YOU SHALL KNOW.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by aletheia(m): 1:02pm On Nov 14, 2010
vedaxcool:

^^^^^
Chairman, alethia is trying hard not to answer the simple question I posed to him, Yet, without shame he refuse correction, Again I repeat, Jesus did not know the day of Judgement or was he lying or telling the truth, it will be very ungodly for Jesus to say he did not know the day of Judgement.

Have you answered my question about Dhul Qarnayn? You have been answered several times. It is not necessary repeating what has been said before---unless you are ready to become Jesus' disciple.

John 9:27  He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

vedaxcool:

Mohammad pbuh said " if he had the knowledge of the unseen, then no misfortune would have befallen him and he would have doubled his success.
and even the Muhammad Pbuh does not know the day of Judgement because he is very much a man and never claimed divinity, now Alethia explain why you god did not know the day of Judgement or did his other partners kept the secret  from him?

And yet your Muhammad with his "supposed knowledge of the unseen" died of poison at a woman's hand and not even on the battle field of jihad. What shame!
In contrast even your qur'an declares that Jesus is alive today. You will do well to listen to the good news concerning Jesus of Nazareth; who died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins for everyone who believes; and rose from the dead; who will return one day---very soon, to judge the whole world including Muslims. So who are the other partners that Christians worship? Can you answer that? Your misapprehension is that you think Christians worship "al-ilah"

Let me make it clear to you once and for all: Christians do not worship the god that Muslims worship.; Our Heavenly Father is different from and not the same as "Allah". You will not find the name of your god in any of our scriptures.

. . .Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him

Maranatha!
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by bashydemy(m): 3:04pm On Nov 14, 2010
aletheia:

Have you answered my question about Dhul Qarnayn? You have been answered several times. It is not necessary repeating what has been said before---unless you are ready to become Jesus' disciple.

for what i have seen so far he has been aswering lots of Question why you are yet to answer yours.

aletheia:


And yet your Muhammad with his "supposed knowledge of the unseen" died of poison at a woman's hand and not even on the battle field of jihad. What shame!
In contrast even your qur'an declares that Jesus is alive today. You will do well to listen to the good news concerning Jesus of Nazareth; who died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins for everyone who believes; and rose from the dead; who will return one day---very soon, to judge the whole world including Muslims. So who are the other partners that Christians worship? Can you answer that? Your misapprehension is that you think Christians worship "al-ilah"

Were you also train to lie again in your churches? can you give me a proof that Mohammed died of poison   and also can you give the verses in the Holy Quran that says Jesus is alive, and also can you give me a proof where Jesus said he is dying for human sins,   


aletheia:



Let me make it clear to you once and for all: Christians do not worship the god that Muslims worship.; Our Heavenly Father is different from and not the same as "Allah". You will not find the name of your god in any of our scriptures.

Maranatha!
Yes we all know you worship diffrent gods yes even within christains they worship diffrent gods you cannot compare what Catholic worship to the one of Anglican so not new to me at all.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by Ymodulus: 7:11pm On Nov 14, 2010
To be truthfull i saw this thread yesterday and i decided reading it today, i am so happy that many people are not been deceived that Jesus is God. Earlier 2years ago i used to believe this just with a bible verse called John 1vs1. But now i found its wrong.

Now this question goes to those who claim Jesus is God.
[b]
1. If Jesus is God. Then how is it possible that the same bible who claimed Jesus to be God said God had no begining and end but Jesus did had a begining. LET me back it scripturally without the so called christendom myths.
According to christians JOHN 1vs1 says he was with God and called God. NOW Does it sounds meaninfull for some1 to be with another and still called that second person? Lets not argue about this let me go further then you bring in your arguement. AT VERSE 14 of John we saw that Jesus who was the Word and who christendom refer to as GOD came down to the earth. This means God came down on earth and Men saw him. But the bible says no man Can see God and live. Now is the bible wrong? Or you believe its means something else ok. If you think it means something else lets go to the next question. NOW if you believe he his God and God has no begining and end, then how come did Jesus Christ had a begining because colossians 1vs 15 says he is the first born of all creations. And if he is the first born of all creations then he definately had a begining.
2. In several occasions and places Jesus christ gave clear distinction between him and his father. We can see this as he some place like the lord prayer he said let your request be from my father God and it should be channel thru me. Now if he his God why should he not say your request should be to me? There are so many verse to collobate this point 2
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3. Now i want to point out something to you all. If i stay with my father for several years i mean years and we have a house if i talk to a worker wont he address me as my father? Yes he would but does that mean am my father? No. Because there ave got some things where my father is superior than me. For example redrawing from a bank account is impossible why because am not my father. So also Jesus was called God because of such close relationship with his father this is why he used the term i and my father are one. Now If he his God then why does he have limitations like the boy going to a bank to redraw from his father account. Because jesus could not do something on his own he stressed this several times.

4. Christendom churches of today use the bible verse of genesis 1vs 23. To back up their claim by saying and he said lets make man in our image, they say God was talking to the three Gods now if the three are one why should one person be talking to himself his that reasonable? Let me tell you we know that jesus had been with His father God before the earth was created because Colossians 1vs 15 says so. With no possible doubt he might be talking to his son.

Please dont be deceived that Jesus is God. I was been told this by a pastor that Jesus is God but when i ask him to explain he tells me nothing than John 1vs 1. Now when i confronted him with the above bible saying and reasonings. He always tells me am Just 17years old so i know nothing. Hmmmmm is this what i want to hear. For god sake. Please guys be wise Jesus is not God but the Son or a [/b] god. I mean small letter g
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by aletheia(m): 9:04pm On Nov 14, 2010
@bashy_demy:
Right from the first day you appeared; it has been apparent that you know little of the religion you profess and are just doing follow, follow.

bashy_demy:

for what i have seen so far he has been aswering lots of Question why you are yet to answer yours.
Since your masters nopuqeater and vedaxcool have been dodging the question of Dhul Qarnayn; perhaps you can lend them a helping hand by telling us who Dhul Qarnayn is. Abi your apprenticeship never finish?


bashy_demy:

Were you also train to lie again in your churches? can you give me a proof that Mohammed died of poison
Your hadiths and other Islamic historians do emphatically declare that your prophet died of poison at the hand of a woman.

[b]
From Bukhari's Hadith 3.786:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:  A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No."  I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle.

From Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

From Ibn Sa'd's "the "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir"

Bishr did not rise form his seat but his color changed to that of "taylsan" (a green cloth). . .The apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab and said to her, "What induced you to do what you have done?"  She replied, "You have done to my people what you have done.  You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself, "If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said, "If you are a king we will get rid of you."

The apostle of Allah lived after this three years till in consequence of his pain he passed away.  During his illness he used to say, "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein."

From Tabari's "History"

The messenger of God said during the illness from which he died - the mother of Bishr had come in to visit him - "Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar."
[/b]    

Are you now educated concerning how your prophet died shamefully at the hand of a woman? In fact he failed the test she set for him: 'You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself, "If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said, "If you are a king we will get rid of you."' If Muhammad was a true prophet, then either:
A. He would have known the meat was poisoned before he put it in his mouth and chewed the morsel and refused to eat it, or
B. The poison would have had no effect on him.
But as we can see your prophet did not know, so he chewed and your idol "al-ilah Hubal" of Mecca could not protect his prophet who subsequently suffered the effects of the poison for 3 years before dying of it.

bashy_demy:

and also can you give the verses in the Holy Quran that says Jesus is alive, and also can you give me a proof where Jesus said he is dying for human sins,
   

From your qur'an, verse saying Jesus is alive:

3:55. (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.
^^Do you see that even your qur'an says those who follow Jesus (Christians) are above others.

bashy_demy:

Yes we all know you worship diffrent gods yes even within christains they worship diffrent gods you cannot compare what Catholic worship to the one of Anglican so not new to me at all.


Perhaps, you can tell me all the different "gods" that Christians worship: typical of Islamic polemic; slander and lie without being specific.
You deliberately misunderstand: Christians do not worship the god that Muslims worship. Our Heavenly Father is different from and not the same as "Allah". You will not find the name of your god in any of our scriptures.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by aletheia(m): 10:05pm On Nov 14, 2010
Deep Sight:

Haba. Islam does not claim him to be ALLAH. That is a fact.
They may not directly claim him to be a god but. . .
aletheia:

@Deep Sight: . . .how little you know of the implications of the titles ascribed to Him.

So sad, that you are defending something you know so little about? Let's examine the evidence:

#1. The Quran claims that the very object of the prayers of Allah, his angels, and believers is none other than Muhammad:

Surely Allah and His angels pray on the Prophet; O you who believe! pray on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation. Those who annoy Allah and his Apostle Allah has cursed them in this world and in the Hereafter and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment. S. 33:56-57

The above makes it rather obvious that Muhammad is the center of everyone’s attention, including Allah’s!

#2. Allah is often times Muhammad's spokesman. For example:

O you who believe! do not enter the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you for a meal, not waiting for its cooking being finished-- but when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken the food, then disperse-- not seeking to listen to talk; surely this gives the Prophet trouble, but he forbears from you, and Allah does not forbear from the truth And when you ask of them any goods, ask of them from behind a curtain; this is purer for your hearts and (for) their hearts; and it does not behove you that you should give trouble to the Messenger of Allah, nor that you should marry his wives after him ever; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah. S. 33:53

Isn't it Muhammad that is supposed to his god's spokesman; and not the other way round. Consider that Muslims make the claim that the qur'an was pre-existent in heaven before being sent down piecemeal and yet so much of its "supposed" revelations deal with prophet's preferences some of them of a sexual nature---this from a book written in heaven.

Another example:
"You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51).
Even his wife Aisha found the haste with which Allah often complied with his prophet's desires mighty suspicious:
I ('A'isha.) said: It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3453)


#3. Obsessive Muslim behavior and devotion to Muhammad.
Need I tell you about riots in Northern Nigeria or the furore over the Danish cartoons?

Urwa returned to his people and said, "O people! By Allah, I have been to the kings and to Caesar, Khosrau and An-Najashi, yet I have never seen any of them respected by his courtiers as much as Muhammad is respected by his companions. By Allah, if he spat, the spittle would fall in the hand of one of them (i.e. the Prophet's companions) who would rub it on his face and skin; if he ordered them, they would carry out his order immediately; if he performed ablution, they would struggle to take the remaining water; and when they spoke, they would lower their voices and would not look at his face constantly out of respect." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50, Number 891)

#4. Condemned by their own qur'an:
Sura 3:18 states the First Pillar of Islam (Submission): "God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge."

But we see that this most crucial pillar has been distorted. Muslims have adopted a polytheistic version, and insist upon mentioning the name of Muhammad besides the name of Allah. However, the Quran's great criterion in 39:45 stamps these Muslims as disbelievers:

"When God ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do disbelieve in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when others are mentioned with Him, they become satisfied."

Muslims claim that Islam was the religion of Abraham; yet if they will be truthful, the ONLY creed must be --- "there is no god except the One God)". Muhammad did not exist on earth before Abraham.
The irony is that they accuse Christians of joining partners with God yet they are guilty of joining Muhammad as a partner to their God in their creedal statements and in other instances e.g.
a. The claim that Muhammad was pre-existent.
b. The claim that salvation can be found in no other but Muhammad.
c. The claim that Muhammad is an intercessor.

The qur'an explicitly denies that Muhammad is anything but a creature. To, therefore, include him alongside God in the creedal confession of faith is a severe compromise of pure monotheism, being an explicit act of associating a finite creature with God, what Islam considers to be the unpardonable sin of shirk (Cf. surah 4:48, 116).
To top it off, the Islamic creed is not even explicitly formulated within the chapters of the Quran, but is derived from later Islamic sources such as the hadith literature.

#5. The names of Muhammad.

According to Islam Allah has ninety-nine attributes commonly known in Islam as al-asma al-husna, "the beautiful names". Most of these are derived directly from the Qur'an (the first twelve follow in sequence in Surah 59:22-24) but some come from other sources. Muhammad as well has ninety-nine names, in this case the titles being known as al-asma ash-sharifa, "the noble names", which parallel the names of Allah. After reciting each name a faithful Muslim must recite the tasliya, "may the peace and blessings of God be upon him" (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam). These names are regarded with awe and reverence and are recited with keen religious esteem.

A number of the divine names applied to Allah are also given to Muhammad. In Islam they share the following names: al-`Aziz, "the Noble"; ar-Ra'uf, "the Mild" and ar-Rahim, "the Merciful", both names being applied to the Prophet in Surah 9:128; al-Wali, "the Friend"; and al-Haqq, "the Truth" amongst others. A Muslim mystic was once moved to exclaim that the Prophet's beauty is the mirror of the Greatest Name of Allah, an indication of the extent to which reverence for the Prophet in Islam has come alongside the worship of Allah. In many modern printed Qur'ans the ninety-nine names of Allah are reproduced at the start of the book and the ninety-nine names of Muhammad appear in similar format at its end. These names are all displayed in their Arabic originals, usually in circles incorporating each respective title.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by xmasgift: 11:00pm On Nov 14, 2010
Q4:48 Verily, Allah forgives not that partners be set up with Him in worship, but he forgives except that(anything else) to whom He pleases,and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.
Q36:22. And why should I not worship Allah alone Who has created me and to Whom you shall be returned.

Feel free to try convincing others that ur religion is the right path but please abstain from blasphemy as u try to drive home ur point cos it's a much greater sin than u think. Aletheia, in a bid to confuse himself, has insulted the very God who gave him life. Only because He is called Allah rather than God (which are one and the same but in different languages)!
May Almighty Allah, the creator of the Heavens and the earth and all that is between them grant us divine understanding and guidance. Amin!

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam, do not tow d paths of the misguided by meting derogatory remarks on the Holy Books or on any of the prophets. It is better to walk away from a religious argument than succumb to sin. At the end of the day, none of these arguments will get u a place in paradise but ur deeds will!
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by aletheia(m): 11:59pm On Nov 14, 2010
@sallah[/b]gift:
xmasgift:

Only because He is called Allah rather than God (which are one and the same but in different languages)!

What are you saying?
What I said was clear. I repeat: [b]Christians do not worship the god that Muslims worship.
Our Heavenly Father is different from and not the same as "Allah". Your thinking it is so, does not make it so.

You quote:
xmasgift:

Q4:48 Verily, Allah forgives not that partners be set up with Him in worship, but he forgives except that(anything else) to whom He pleases,and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.
And yet you commit shirk by adding Muhammad as partner to your god al-ilah.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by xmasgift: 1:20am On Nov 15, 2010
I have made my self clear: I do not wish to argue with you or anyone else. Xmasgift, sallahgift wuteva,  Does it matter?
No true Muslim will ever tell u dat Prophet Muhammed (SAW) is a partner to Almighty Allah.

Q39:46 Say (O Muhammed SAW): "O Allah! Creator of the heavens and the earth! All-Knower of the Ghaib(unseen) and the seen. You will judge between your slaves about that wherein they used to differ.

Q42:10 And in whatsoever you differ, the decision thereof is with Allah (He is the ruling judge). ,

aletheia, take things easy. Your aggression is unnecessary and actually a turn- off.

No matter wut u write in response, I have nothing more to say, let the Holy Quran be your guide to spiritual enlightenment.

I'm outta here.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by vedaxcool(m): 9:12am On Nov 15, 2010
aletheia:

Have you answered my question about Dhul Qarnayn? You have been answered several times. It is not necessary repeating what has been said before---unless you are ready to become Jesus' disciple.

aletheia:

You know you are lying, that is enough for me. that you should know the truth that your theology is not based on any any sensible and coherent words, which is why you rely on dspiration in the face of truth.Again, Why did Jesus Partners keep the truth--day of judgement- away from him? was it because they feared he might devulge it when he comes to earth? No, Because only ALLAH, the creator, knows that day and that was why Jesus beng too honest did formulate or dribble around the pitch like Paul's Deciple Alethia is doing, poor chap!





aletheia link=topic=445327.msg7140867#msg7140867 date=1289736178:

And yet your Muhammad with his "supposed knowledge of the unseen"

You seem to have a percahant for squeezing out lies, as where did I claim Muhammad had knowneldge of the unseen? this is what I wrote:
vedaxcool:

.Mohammad pbuh said " [size=18pt]if[/size] he had the knowledge of the unseen, then no misfortune would have befallen him and he would have doubled his success.
and even the Muhammad Pbuh does not know the day of Judgement because he is very much a man and never claimed divinity, now Alethia explain why you god did not know the day of Judgement or did his other partners kept the secret  from him?





aletheia:

In contrast even your qur'an declares that Jesus is alive today. You will do well to listen to the good news concerning Jesus of Nazareth; who died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins for everyone who believes; and rose from the dead; who will return one day---very soon, to judge the whole world including Muslims. So who are the other partners that Christians worship? Can you answer that? Your misapprehension is that you think Christians worship "al-ilah"

The Qur'an says raised up, it never claimed Jesus is alive till now in the form of we humans, as it is not difficult for ALLAh to give life to the dead after they have become bones, Jesus, Never died neither was he crucified, as the Jesus Prayed to God and in Your Bible God "Heard"(Accepted his prayers, as God Hears all the time) his Prayer! now unless the god you worship is a 419ner who promise but fail, Jesus most evidently did not not die.


aletheia:

Let me make it clear to you once and for all: [b]Christians do not worship the god that Muslims worship.; Our Heavenly Father is different from and not the same as "Allah"[/b]. You will not find the name of your god in any of our scriptures.

No, I worship ALLAH, you Worship his servant(S) Jesus etc, you are evidently in error, as I have said, God is too mighty for some bunch of hooligans to capture him and spit on his face, these you claim happened to your god, wouldn't you rather have faith in ALLAH, whose powers placed him far above the moronic schemings of some drunks.


Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by aletheia(m): 10:01am On Nov 15, 2010
^^Why are you quoting yourself? Are you so angry, because the truth hurts that you cannot type properly? smiley
Or is it because you realize that Muslims have been committing shirk all this while by revering Muhammad in a way that is equal to Allah (thereby joining Muhammad as partner to your god). After all, you are ready to kill anyone that speaks ill of your prophet, as I know too well, living in Northern Nigeria.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by vedaxcool(m): 2:48pm On Nov 15, 2010
^^^^^^
From every Obvious indication, you cannot comprehend simple english that was written? If! was the word I wrote If has left you comfounded! If two simple letters I wrote that made your trinity ridden brain to mis-interprete, Like I simply wwanted to prove but again what can you expect from someone that believes in a well? formulated LIE -TRINITY- to understand simple If i had this I would have done this statement, this your failure deseves a book called "Lammetations - the failure of Alithia in understanding simple things" to be written about this your ineptitude. But for Crying out Loud what is so hard to answer this simple question "was Jesus lying when he said he did not know the day of judgement? or was he simply being honest in admitting-something Paul and his discipless can never do--- that he lack knownedge of God's Plan" In any case keep striving to dodge the question as we know that yours is faith by despiration.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by DevotedOne(m): 3:24pm On Nov 15, 2010
[Center]In The Name of The One And Only GOD.  The peace be upon you, everyone.[/Center]




Chapter 17
When Jesus had said this, Philip answered: 'We are content to serve God, but we desire, however, to know God, for Isaiah the prophet said: "Verily thou art a hidden God," and God said to Moses his servant: "I am that which I am."

Jesus answered: 'Philip, God is a good without which there is naught good; God is a being without which there is naught that is; God is a life without which there is naught that liveth; so great that he filleth all and is everywhere. He alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have an end, but to everything hath he given a beginning, and to everything shall he give an end. He hath no father nor mother; he hath no sons. nor brethren. nor companions. And because God hath no body, therefore he eateth not, sleepeth not, dieth not, walketh not, moveth not, but abideth eternally without human similitude, for that he is incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the most simple substance. He is so good that he loveth goodness only; he is so just that when he punisheth or pardoneth it cannot be gainsaid. In short, I say unto thee, Philip, that here on earth thou canst not see him nor know him perfectly; but in his kingdom thou shalt see him for ever: wherein consisteth all our happiness and glory.'

Philip answered: 'Master, what sayest thou? It is surely written in Isaiah that God is our father; how, then, hath he no sons?'

Jesus answered: 'There are written in the prophets many parables, wherefore thou oughtest not to attend to the letter, but to the sense. For all the prophets, that are one hundred and forty-four thousand, whom God hath sent into the world, have spoken darkly. But after me shall come the Splendour of all the prophets and holy ones, and shall shed light upon the darkness of all that the prophets have said, because he is the messenger of God' And having said this, Jesus sighed and said: 'Have mercy on Israel, O Lord God; and look with pity upon Abraham and upon his seed, in order that they may serve thee with truth of heart.

His disciples answered: 'So be it, O Lord our God!'

Jesus said: 'Verily I say unto you, the scribes and doctors have made void the law of God with their false prophecies, contrary to the prophecies of the true prophets of God: wherefore God is wrath with the house of Israel and with this faithless generation.' His disciples wept at these words, and said: 'Have mercy, O God, have mercy upon the temple and upon the holy city, and give it not into contempt of the nations that they despise not thy holy covenant.' Jesus answered: 'So be it, Lord God of our fathers.'  Gospel of Barnabas


http://www.barnabas.net/chapters.html  Chapters ~ See Chapters 93 to 97, re: Prophet Jesus, PBUH, called God.


PBUH: Peace be upon Him.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by favouredjb(f): 4:26pm On Nov 15, 2010
Yet another boring and overflogged thread by an extremist,*yawns
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by chakula: 10:43am On Nov 18, 2010
favouredjb:

Yet another boring and overflogged thread by an extremist,*yawns

angry angry angry
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by Ogaga4Luv(m): 11:30am On Nov 18, 2010
[size=13pt]Many of you who have been stumbling across my comments on this Religion section know the facts regarding the Nazarene being a fictitious Jewish archetype for Gentiles to slavishly worship. Above all the Nazarene is a diversion and distraction to keep humanity from true spirituality, from working on and advancing our own souls. The fictitious character of[b] "Jesus"[/b] was invented from spiritual CONCEPTS originating in the Far East, such as spiritual alchemy, the kundalini energy, and what is known as the "vril" "chi" "life-force" and "witchpower." Truth be known, one saves one's own soul through advancing spiritually, and activating this power. The Nazarene is a deterrent to this and keeps humanity from doing anything spiritually, and keeps humanity enslaved through living a totally material existence. Christians cannot argue, as they do not know true spirituality. They have not experienced it. How many Christian preachers/priests/pastors can diagram the human soul? grin grin

Once one's eyes are opened and one is aware of the witchpower concept, one can clearly see how this character was invented. wink
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Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by kolaoloye(m): 3:03pm On Nov 19, 2010
Religion - a big bondage.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by chakula: 3:39pm On Nov 19, 2010
When will you withdrawal from Xtianity? And why are you keep saying that the religion is slavery bondage?

kola oloye:

Religion - a big bondage.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by alienvirus: 6:35pm On Nov 19, 2010
Coming from milky way. Religion remove bondage. Even alien guys know this! Back to the milky way
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by Sweetnecta: 7:47pm On Nov 19, 2010
@Aletheia: [Quote]Quote from: bashy_demy on November 14, 2010, 03:04 PM
Yes we all know you worship diffrent gods yes even within christains they worship diffrent gods you cannot compare what Catholic worship to the one of Anglican so not new to me at all.


Perhaps, you can tell me all the different "gods" that Christians worship: typical of Islamic polemic; slander and lie without being specific.
You deliberately misunderstand: Christians do not worship the god that Muslims worship. Our Heavenly Father is different from and not the same as "Allah". You will not find the name of your god in any of our scriptures.[/Quote]Three questions for you, where a yes or no shall be accepted as an answer in each.

1). Do you worship Father Yahweh in heaven? Yes of No, will be good enough.

2). Do you worship Son Jesus on earth? Yes or No, will be sufficient.

3). Do you worship Holy Ghost (No Name) in your heart? Yes or No, will be adequate.
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by bashydemy(m): 8:06pm On Nov 19, 2010
aletheia:

@bashy_demy:

But as we can see your prophet did not know, so he chewed and your idol "al-ilah Hubal" of Mecca could not protect his prophet who subsequently suffered the effects of the poison for 3 years before dying of it.
   
hmmm if you are not the most daft man in the world how would it take 3yrs for the poison to work het pls go back to your Pastor and get more lies ok
Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by bashydemy(m): 8:18pm On Nov 19, 2010
aletheia:



From your qur'an, verse saying Jesus is alive:

3:55. (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.
^^Do you see that even your qur'an says those who follow Jesus (Christians) are above others.

am not sure maybe you are trying to come up with your own or trying to edit the Quran since the bible have been edited times without number here is what the verses said

And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] [/b]of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you [b](Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) [/b]superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. [b]Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Quran] till the Day of Resurrection. T[b]hen you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute.[/b]

pls check the bold lines very well and see what Allah (SWT) means here we believe in Isa as a messenger of God and you call him son of God and rather sometimes you call him God so you are not among who Allah is refering to here except you change and accept islam

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