SEFAGO:

kini ele yi?

Just say you are middle class lol. Middle class does not mean much in naija or the US. It just means u dey struggle for survival

@Sefago and FLgators

I don't the young man knew the meaning and implication of the word, he was actually trying to lay claim to being a member of the upper class. So lets put it down as a freudian slip.

SEFAGO:

kini ele yi?

Just say you are middle class lol. Middle class does not mean much in naija or the US. It just means u dey struggle for survival

Yo I disagree with that and I can't speak for Nigerians, but the U.S. classifies middle class as people with somewhat societal influence, could be in the local community, city, state or even higher and more often at times, that class particularly is attributed to educated career professionals or otherwise anyone who fits per standards. Please don't tell me if you earning $75,000 a year along with medical benefits, bonus, perks etc that you are struggling. You not rich quite alright, (I did not say wealthy, I said rich), and you're not poor either. However, you're better of connected to the society than someone who's struggling to earn by the hour. There are so many factors that contribute to being a middle class, in fact the IRS, clearly distinguished it when filling for tax returns. You can afford a home, and if you file dual income returns that's $150,000 in my book, that isn't struggling at least for the most part. Struggling is when you have to wait at the bus stop for 45min in the cold winter, then jump the bus to go earn the peanuts. Struggling is when you take on more debt than you can pay for, struggling is when you have to work two jobs, or stress you ass out for overtime at the end of the day, uncle Sam take more of it compared to you regular wage.

Most people struggle because they fail to cut their coats according to their sizes not because they don't get enough.

manny4life:

Yo I disagree with that and I can't speak for Nigerians, but the U.S. classifies middle class as people with somewhat societal influence, could be in the local community, city, state or even higher and more often at times, that class particularly is attributed to educated career professionals or otherwise anyone who fits per standards. Please don't tell me if you earning $75,000 a year along with medical benefits, bonus, perks etc that you are struggling. You not rich quite alright, (I did not say wealthy, I said rich), and you're not poor either. However, you're better of connected to the society than someone who's struggling to earn by the hour. There are so many factors that contribute to being a middle class, in fact the IRS, clearly distinguished it when filling for tax returns. You can afford a home, and if you file dual income returns that's $150,000 in my book, that isn't struggling at least for the most part. Struggling is when you have to wait at the bus stop for 45min in the cold winter, then jump the bus to go earn the peanuts. Struggling is when you take on more debt than you can pay for, struggling is when you have to work two jobs, or stress you backside out for overtime at the end of the day, uncle Sam take more of it compared to you regular wage.

Thank you very much for explaining to these buffoons concerning social classes in the United States.

My parents combined income is around $180,000 a year as a couple. So in essence, I am upper middle class aka petty bourgeoisie

manny4life:

Yo I disagree with that and I can't speak for Nigerians, but the U.S. classifies middle class as people with somewhat societal influence, could be in the local community, city, state or even higher and more often at times, that class particularly is attributed to educated career professionals or otherwise anyone who fits per standards. Please don't tell me if you earning $75,000 a year along with medical benefits, bonus, perks etc that you are struggling. You not rich quite alright, (I did not say wealthy, I said rich), and you're not poor either. However, you're better of connected to the society than someone who's struggling to earn by the hour. There are so many factors that contribute to being a middle class, in fact the IRS, clearly distinguished it when filling for tax returns. You can afford a home, and if you file dual income returns that's $150,000 in my book, that isn't struggling at least for the most part. Struggling is when you have to wait at the bus stop for 45min in the cold winter, then jump the bus to go earn the peanuts. Struggling is when you take on more debt than you can pay for, struggling is when you have to work two jobs, or stress you backside out for overtime at the end of the day, uncle Sam take more of it compared to you regular wage.

Where's the social influences going to get you?

My aunt whose been a pharmacist for years told me that if I could, I should do better than a middle class. Middle classes pay for much more bills, they're often denied benefits from the government.

Imagine being a middle classmen with 3 children in college, but no financial support from the government because you make over $30,000 per year. We have doctors and professional indebted in school loans, yet still living like paupers to pay their loans. Then we have lower class citizens getting support from the govt, with food stamps, financial aids, scholarships for being poor, no mercy from their insurance company, broker, and car company because they believe his paycheck is enough to pay his bills.

Dude, nobody cares about social influence and education status anymore. It's basically how much you make and how much you have left to support you.

shooooo, some poor folks dont even have to pay for their children daycare because the state has this program that helps them if they earn below an average.

Believe me a well managed small business in nigeria or what ever country you come from originally will put you in best of class.The most fullfilled class is the class of pioneers.

redsun:

Most people struggle because they fail to cut their coats according to their sizes not because they don't get enough.

very true.

U.S. classifies middle class as people with somewhat societal influence

Really? This is a first. I learn more and more on NL

manny4life:

Yo I disagree with that and I can't speak for Nigerians, but the U.S. classifies middle class as people with somewhat societal influence, could be in the local community, city, state or even higher and more often at times, that class particularly is attributed to educated career professionals or otherwise anyone who fits per standards. Please don't tell me if you earning $75,000 a year along with medical benefits, bonus, perks etc that you are struggling. [/b]You not rich quite alright, (I did not say wealthy, I said rich), and you're not poor either. However, you're better of connected to the society than someone who's struggling to earn by the hour. There are so many factors that contribute to being a middle class, in fact the IRS, clearly distinguished it when filling for tax returns.[b] You can afford a home, and if you file dual income returns that's $150,000 in my book, that isn't struggling at least for the most part. Struggling is when you have to wait at the bus stop for 45min in the cold winter, then jump the bus to go earn the peanuts. Struggling is when you take on more debt than you can pay for, struggling is when you have to work two jobs, or stress you backside out for overtime at the end of the day, uncle Sam take more of it compared to you regular wage.

when I meant struggling, I meant you still have petty money problems. I think all the definitions you made is part of an ongoing debate about middle class classification. Like 75,000 dollars would not be enough in expensive places like the North East or even some expensive places in the west cost. Infact an income of 150,000 is as middle class as you get in some areas in the US. Out of that money you will pay mortgage, you will pay college tuition, you will buy food, clothes, furniture- and you know how much american's consume.

150,000 in some states is peanut. Its however Golden in some areas especially rural areas.

EzeUche:

Thank you very much for explaining to these buffoons concerning social classes in the United States.

My parents combined income is around $180,000 a year as a couple. So in essence, I am upper middle class aka petty bourgeoisie

1. Bourgeois, petty bourgeois or whatever= middle class. You struggle, enough with all this english. As long as your family income is not at least 250K+ then you are not making much. your parents combined income is what an average 30 year old working on wall street in new york earns or what the average recent PhD gets.  . Thats as middle class as you can get.

Upper middle class kor, upper middle class ni.

FL Gators:

Where's the social influences going to get you?

My aunt whose been a pharmacist for years told me that if I could, I should do better than a middle class. Middle classes pay for much more bills, they're often denied benefits from the government.

Imagine being a middle classmen with 3 children in college, but no financial support from the government because you make over $30,000 per year. We have doctors and professional indebted in school loans, yet still living like paupers to pay their loans. Then we have lower class citizens getting support from the govt, with food stamps, financial aids, scholarships for being poor, no mercy from their insurance company, broker, and car company because they believe his paycheck is enough to pay his bills.

Dude, nobody cares about social influence and education status anymore. It's basically how much you make and how much you have left to support you.

I guess what's wrong here is the terminology. If you meant middle income earners, then that's a different scenario than middle class earners. There's a big difference between middle class and middle income. Just because you are a career doctor, pharmacist etc, doesn't make you a middle class individual. However, with high income and social status, that earns you the right as a middle class individual. Besides, even high profile attorneys in the country have student debt, mortgage debt etc. Let's not confuse income with social status. What your aunt meant to tell you was you should do better than a middle income earner, not middle class. Per the IRS, middle class individuals earn six figure income and higher if we are to start from there. I hate to make this example but I will; my father.

My father for instance and by the grace of GOD, earns a mid six figure income, plus annual bonus, and stock options, 401k, nice medical benefit and GOD knows that I stand by the truth. Now, with an executive at his level, has several perks from leisure to travel to entertainment, etc he has it all. I won't stay here and claim his rich or wealthy, but when you can afford to do or reach connections he has, then his in middle class better yet do the math. We are 5 of us in the family, all of us with the exception of my younger sister have graduated, and by his grace through the guidance of our parents, we are doing well for ourselves. When you speak of assistance, until you search, you won't find. Food stamps are for people in that range, there are help for people in different classes. Assistance comes in different forms, and doesn't have to be financial.

SEFAGO:

very true.
Really? This is a first. I learn more and more on NL

when I meant struggling, I meant you still have petty money problems. I think all the definitions you made is part of an ongoing debate about middle class classification. Like 75,000 dollars would not be enough in expensive places like the North East or even some expensive places in the west cost. Infact an income of 150,000 is as middle class as you get in some areas in the US. Out of that money you will pay mortgage, you will pay college tuition, you will buy food, clothes, furniture- and you know how much american's consume.

150,000 in some states is peanut. Its however Golden in some areas especially rural areas.

1. Bourgeois, petty bourgeois or whatever= middle class. You struggle, enough with all this english. As long as your family income is not at least 250K+ then you are not making much. your parents combined income is what an average 30 year old working on wall street in new york earns or what the average recent PhD gets.  . Thats as middle class as you can get.

Upper middle class kor, upper middle class ni.

Yes really, do your research more often. Middle class individuals are quite different from middle income earners. Again, for you to earn the middle or upper class status, you have to earn the right first. When you earn the income as well as the social status, then you have earned that right to be in that class. Financial responsibility has absolutely nothing to do with class; if you earn $75,000 and think you can't manage or it's peanut, I bet you someone everything being equal in terms of earnings, etc will do a lot better. Same applies to people who earn $1million, it still wont be enough. After all there are supposedly wealthly individuals who are flat out broke; that's financial responsibility. As for debt, everyone has debt so deal with it.

manny4life:

I guess what's wrong here is the terminology. If you meant middle income earners, then that's a different scenario than middle class earners. There's a big difference between middle class and middle income. Just because you are a career doctor, pharmacist etc, doesn't make you a middle class individual. However, with high income and social status, that earns you the right as a middle class individual. Besides, even high profile attorneys in the country have student debt, mortgage debt etc. Let's not confuse income with social status. What your aunt meant to tell you was you should do better than a middle income earner, not middle class. Per the IRS, middle class individuals earn six figure income and higher if we are to start from there. I hate to make this example but I will; my father.

My father for instance and by the grace of GOD, earns a mid six figure income, plus annual bonus, and stock options, 401k, nice medical benefit and GOD knows that I stand by the truth. Now, with an executive at his level, has several perks from leisure to travel to entertainment, etc he has it all. I won't stay here and claim his rich or wealthy, but when you can afford to do or reach connections he has, then his in middle class better yet do the math. We are 5 of us in the family, all of us with the exception of my younger sister have graduated, and by his grace through the guidance of our parents, we are doing well for ourselves. When you speak of assistance, until you search, you won't find. Food stamps are for people in that range, there are help for people in different classes. Assistance comes in different forms, and doesn't have to be financial.

Makes sense, but not every middle class earner is as fortunate as your dad.

And I still stand by my opinion that education status doesnt mean much these days

Yes really, do your research more often. Middle class individuals are quite different from middle income earners. Again, for you to earn the middle or upper class status, you have to earn the right first. When you earn the income as well as the social status, then you have earned that right to be in that class. Financial responsibility has absolutely nothing to do with class; if you earn $75,000 and think you can't manage or it's peanut, I bet you someone everything being equal in terms of earnings, etc will do a lot better. Same applies to people who earn $1million, it still wont be enough. After all there are supposedly wealthly individuals who are flat out broke; that's financial responsibility. As for debt, everyone has debt so deal with it.

They are not lol. Abeg pull 419 on FL Gators eye not my eye biko.

Middle class is a broad term, but I doubt it really has anything to do with "social status" and more about the oney you earn to put you in a certain "social status." A policeman with 0 education status, but a 200K salary will be considered as middle class. It has to do more with money. I believe the US census bureau, uses the middle income percentile, then characterizes the people who cluster this class- Usually educated professionals though this is not always the case.

Ezeuche's parents for example could be one of the numerous taxi cab drivers, and nurses that are pervasive in the tristate area. But through hardwork have managed to make an income of 180K per year. I still think they would be classified as middle class innit?

SEFAGO:

They are not lol. Abeg pull 419 on FL Gators eye not my eye biko.

Middle class is a broad term, but I doubt it really has anything to do with "social status" and more about the oney you earn to put you in a certain "social status." A policeman with 0 education status, but a 200K salary will be considered as middle class. It has to do more with money. I believe the US census bureau, uses the middle income percentile, then characterizes the people who cluster this class- Usually educated professionals though this is not always the case.

Ezeuche's parents for example could be one of the numerous taxi cab drivers, and nurses that are pervasive in the tristate area. But through hardwork have managed to make an income of 180K per year. I still think they would be classified as middle class innit?  

Thank you. Like I said before, it has to do with how much you make and how much you have left to spend on yourself jare

Thank you. Like I said before, it has to do with how much you make and how much you have left to spend on yourself jare

Its actually more of a perception, than what you have lol. IMO I am middle class even though I live on indomie and puff puff and owe thousands of dollars on my credit card with no incoming income

The US Government has no way of classifying middle class people as Manny4life wrong claims:

U.S. classifies middle class as people with somewhat societal influence

SEFAGO:

Its actually more of a perception, than what you have lol. I[b]MO I am middle class even though I live on indomie and puff puff and owe thousands of dollars on my credit card with no incoming income[/b]

The US Government has no way of classifying middle class people as Manny4life wrong claims:

Turn off! A dude with thousands of loans.

Anywaz. . . . perception?

Turn off! A dude with thousands of loans.

I pity you. Be looking for a rich husband there- you will now find someone as loving and poor as I am

Anywaz. . . . perception?

There is no clear cut definition of the middle-class in the US, and its actually more of an abstract sociological theory. No, the middle class does not have to do with social status in America- I admit it could in other European countries.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2010/03/middle_class_america_1_in_4_st.html

I dont feel like typing essays- I wanna watch mean girls.

SEFAGO:

I pity you. Be looking for a rich husband there- you will now find someone as loving and poor as I am 

There is no clear cut definition of the middle-class in the US, and its actually more of an abstract sociological theory. No, the middle class does not have to do with social status in America- I admit it could in other European countries.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2010/03/middle_class_america_1_in_4_st.html

I dont feel like typing essays- I wanna watch mean girls. 

Ok, I got ya.

Go and watch your mean girls, while you're at it, go and fix your mascara too.

SEFAGO:

They are not lol. Abeg pull 419 on FL Gators eye not my eye biko.

Middle class is a broad term, but I doubt it really has anything to do with "social status" and more about the oney you earn to put you in a certain "social status." A policeman with 0 education status, but a 200K salary will be considered as middle class. It has to do more with money. I believe the US census bureau, uses the middle income percentile, then characterizes the people who cluster this class- Usually educated professionals though this is not always the case.

Ezeuche's parents for example could be one of the numerous taxi cab drivers, and nurses that are pervasive in the tristate area. But through hardwork have managed to make an income of 180K per year. I still think they would be classified as middle class innit?  

If you say social status has nothing to do with that fine. You can have all the money you want, but when no one know who the hell you are, less  influential, or no social status, hmmmm I don't know what you will call that. Again, you keep mixing middle income earners with middle class earners. Just because you are high classed individual doesn't make you Donald Trump, prime example VA Attorney General Cucinneli, isn't rich, although I'm not certain about how much he earns, but probably under 250k, his highly powerful attorney, yet influential. Attorney General Holder probably earns under 250k, yet I guess he less low classed or maybe just a little middle classed.  Look at many people in office, politicians, public servants; judges and justices (in fact the U.S. Chief Justice earns under 250k, less what a wall street guy earn) but this guys are way more powerful, influential etc that even someone who earns $10million a year. In this case what class will you classify this individuals as? Better yet they don't have any social status, hence reason why they not influential.

Its ok dude whatever you say it is, it don't matter, you justify yourself with your belief, I would justify mine with my belief.

SEFAGO:

Its actually more of a perception, than what you have lol. IMO I am middle class even though I live on indomie and puff puff and owe thousands of dollars on my credit card with no incoming income

The US Government has no way of classifying middle class people as Manny4life wrong claims:

Dude I did not say the U.S. govt. Per my response said "the U.S. classifies somewhat of social influence" and when I referenced IRS, I specifically was talking about income. I never defined middle class rather I said, you have to earn that right to be better yet be accepted in that class. In what I said, income and social status, determines how much right you have earned to be in that class. Well, I'm glad you called it perception, and sociological theory, at least I perceived that at least influential govt individuals, depending on their govt level are either middle/upper or higher class individuals though most don't even earn that 250k limit, that is my perception and I will assume it's a generally accepted "sociological theory"so I will rest my case at least for now.

Look at many people in office, politicians, public servants; judges and justices (in fact the U.S. Chief Justice earns under 250k, less what a wall street guy earn) but this guys are way more powerful, influential etc

Good point- I will further humor you because this goes back to the topic. Yes high rung politicians constitute the upper class, but they would be in the same category as a bus driver who by some warped manner has an income of over 350,000 dollars. All I am trying to say is that there really is not real definition of middle class- sociologist have postulated several models for the different social classes most accepted models are based on income, and then certain groups. But overwhelmingly, income plays an important role in the perceptions of what it means to middle class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class#Lower_middle_class

I said, you have to earn that right to be better yet be accepted in that class. In what I said, income and social status, determines how much right you have earned to be in that class. Well, I'm glad you called it perception, and sociological theory, at least I perceived that at least influential govt individuals, depending on their govt level are either middle/upper or higher class individuals though most don't even earn that 250k limit, that is my perception and I will assume it's a generally accepted "sociological theory"so I will rest my case at least for now.

Be accepted by whom? Didn't Ezeuche just call himself middle class, who did he file an application with? He just stated his family's incoe, and what he did was perfectly correct. Middle class perception is always based on income.

the U.S. classifies somewhat of social influence

Is the U.S. a person? Your personification is ambiguous. Used in such way, I am correct to assume that you are talking about the government which personifies the state. I figure what you mean but at least say "In the U.S, the middle class are classified as those with of social influence"

back to topic- I am sure these US politicians get kickbacks somewhere in some form. All people are corrupt- but I doubt that is the real income of the Nigerian government officials, its way less than that if i remember.

I hope the OP did not include allowances as part of the salaries. Nigeria does have a huge allowance package. I should just try and do politics joor.

I am always right

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_there_a_standard_accepted_definition_of.html

While the U.S. isn't a person, I believe that U.S. doesn't only comprise of the Govt, it has business, individuals, corporations, non profit etc yet I agree it was ambiguous. Well wait and see, with all your income and money, and no influence, when there are certain strings to be pulled, you will know what I mean. In all my post, I've always said income and social status play that role, however, you don't have to be Donald Trump. As for Ezeuche, he said his parents earn that amount, fine they belong to that class, but unless thier local community recognize them, hmmm go figure. For instance, no bragging, but until you are able to pull small string in your city and people know who you are, you can earn all the money, you nobody period. Like I said, I would assume a generally accepted "sociological theory" of someone with a class is people who are influential, and have power. I don't know about kickbacks, but hey strings are string and there is corruption everywhere. As for the politicians, and judges, yes they earn little with so much power, but trust and believe, when you one of nine people who uphold and/or strike down decisions that affect more than 300million Americans, I don't know how much influence, class or power you need.

Condoleeza Rice:

She also served on the board of directors for the Carnegie Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the Chevron Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Rand Corporation, the Transamerica Corporation, and other organizations.

All this one for one person. I am sure her salary would not clock 100K, but her annual income would have been off the charts. I dont know if she sat on the boards during her time as secretary of state but this one is too much for anyone

Well go figure Ms. Rice is one of America's powerful influential, high class women as Forbes.com once described her, but her salary now at Stanford University as a visiting professor (that is if she's still there), wouldn't be all that. There was no possible way when she was as Secretary of State that she would have served on those boards due to public office interference. How do you mean off the charts? Don't forget, serving on the board doesn't necessarily mean you get paid, quite often than not, board members are non paid at least I studied that in school however, should they be compensated, it should be according to certain standards set by the state which they operate from as well as strict guidelines from the company. Honestly I forgot how my instructors said they get paid, that is if they do. It's just a honor to serve on a board of company.

manny4life:

Well go figure Ms. Rice is one of America's powerful influential, high class women as Forbes.com once described her, but her salary now at Stanford University as a visiting professor (that is if she's still there), wouldn't be all that. There was no possible way when she was as Secretary of State that she would have served on those boards due to public office interference. How do you mean off the charts? [b]Don't forget, serving on the board doesn't necessarily mean you get paid, quite often than not, board members are non paid at least I studied that in school however, should they be compensated, it should be according to certain standards set by the state which they operate from as well as strict guidelines from the company. [/b]Honestly I forgot how my instructors said they get paid, that is if they do. It's just a honor to serve on a board of company.

First being a professor is not that bad, she will probably be earning 160K a year. Moreover, board of directors do get paid especially in private organizations. There influence brings money, and they want some of that money. I figured she would not be in those positions while as a public official- my point though is that its likely she held those positions after being a public official. Its obvious she got those positions because she is influential, but I think a lot of these politicians get compensated after holding office with lucrative positions in the private sector. This could be because they might have supported legislation that helped private corps especially republicans.

If you are still stuck on the middle class/upper class thing I am still correct lol. Income plays a significant part of your social class, though some people are in the same class in principle because of certain positions they hold. I told you that high-rung politicians are in the upper class, stop holding on lol.

@ EZEUCHE you have same mind with me.
its only bloody revolution can solve this nigeria
problems,because million people have been
praying and its seems prayer is delaying,even pastors
and imams are afraid of war because of their every weekend
allowances from members,and where saying our God is warrior.
ENOUGH,

SEFAGO:

First being a professor is not that bad, she will probably be earning 160K a year. Moreover, board of directors do get paid especially in private organizations. There influence brings money, and they want some of that money. I figured she would not be in those positions while as a public official- my point though is that its likely she held those positions after being a public official. Its obvious she got those positions because she is influential, but I think a lot of these politicians get compensated after holding office with lucrative positions in the private sector. This could be because they might have supported legislation that helped private corps especially republicans.

If you are still stuck on the middle class/upper class thing I am still correct lol. Income plays a significant part of your social class, though some people are in the same class in principle because of certain positions they hold. I told you that high-rung politicians are in the upper class, stop holding on lol.

I'm sure you got the wrong notion about board of directors; directors are elected by shareholders, they are brought on board because of thier knowledge, experience/expertise and not because of the unseen money you claim they would bring. As for getting paid, my stance remains the same,  in as long as state laws prevail, most directors are not paid and even if they are, not what they pay a CEO of a company. They are not on salaries, rather compensated for their time. You are funny, so you telling me from Jan 21 when she was out of office till this date, she has sat on five major corporations board? Dude, are u serious? really think of what you saying. You honestly think congress voted her in because she has held board member positions from private corporations? You funny for real. As for me being stuck, I'm not man and you being correct because you convinced yourself that you are, not that others accepted that you are but its ok to say you right to make you feel comfortable. I'm glad that you know that politicians are in the upper class, yet most of whom don't even earn your 250k limit and trust me, I'm not holding onto anything.

I'm glad that you know that politicians are in the upper class, yet most of whom don't even earn your 250k limit and trust me, I'm not holding onto anythin

Ok, just put high rung politicians, not all politicians are the same.

Any wonder why they will do anything to win elections?,Any wonder why they flout themselves as if they were gods?Any-wonder why they are mostly untouchable by the law?These guys are Shameless,and for taking as much they will never make a case for Corpers allowance to be increased,they will never talk about a respectable minimum wage for the Civil servants,I wish they all die in their sleep.

sheriffman:

Any wonder why they will do anything to win elections?,Any wonder why they flout themselves as if they were gods?Any-wonder why they are mostly untouchable by the law?These guys are Shameless,and for taking as much they will never make a case for Corpers allowance to be increased,they will never talk about a respectable minimum wage for the Civil servants,I wish they all die in their sleep.

Stop complaining!!! The way I see it this is a good sign and a good beginning. With the right people in the right places that salary structure will soon benefit all Nigerians. Yes mark my words one day we will be saying that the Nigerian Graduate earns more than the American Graduate. God Bless Nigeria.

@ DSOLUTION AM SORRY i DONT SHARE UR OPTIMISM