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Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 3:15am On May 05, 2007
Shekarau insists on veils for non-Islamic schools

The Kano State Governor, Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau, on Thursday ordered non-Islamic schools to introduce veils for their female students.

“All private schools in the state are hereby directed to ensure that their pupils observe the dress code in accordance with the tradition and beliefs of our people,” Agence France Presse quoted Shekarau as telling a large crowd of veiled schoolgirls late Thursday in the state capital.

“This is in line with our resolve to bring about a positive change in the attitude of our students and to strengthen their morality. We do not expect any private school in this state to fail in this regard,” he added, without giving details about penalties.

State schools in Kano have been obliged to follow a Muslim dress code since 2003 when Shekarau was elected on the strength of his promise to implement a stricter version of the Sharia legal system. Under the dress code, school girls wear kaftan and trousers or long skirts with a veil and boys wear kaftan and trousers with a cap.


In essence, my daughter must wear a veil if she has to school in Kano in clear disregard of her constitutional rights to. I thought they said sharia would only apply to muslims! The hypocrites!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Pain(m): 5:00pm On May 05, 2007
Retrogressives. No Wonder They Write Backwards, Strike Their Heads Like Match Sticks, Date Behind The Rest Of Us 14" " AH.

This Is A New Form Of Terror 4 Non Indigenes In Kano.

Religion Founded On Terror, Propagated By Terror and For Terrorists.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Danmasani(m): 5:48pm On May 05, 2007
Nairalanders, if a set of people decide to opt to practise a norm or partake in something they want to do, WHO ARE YOU TO STOP THEM. Thousands of muslims and non-muslims out there wear headgears, scarfs and veils because they want to, not because they are forced to.

I am a xtian northerner and my folks wear HEADTIES when they choose to. No one persecutes them for not doing that. Just like how some schools force every girl to have a hearcut in Nigerian schools, so does KANO state government have the right to make them wear veils( NOT HIJAB!) over their hair. My aunty, a xtian has stayed in Kano for 20 years and has not been harrased for once for not wearing a veil. Allow people to practise their beliefs or traditions, it is not for you to judge and say no or say yes.
If you dont like it, you can go hang!

So please, Davidylan and Pain, stop spreading Hate, misinformation and falsehoods to people because it seems that there is absolutely nothing else you do here than that!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stimulus(m): 8:24pm On May 05, 2007
@Danmasani

Without wanting to sound offensive, truth be told: you're reading issues backward. What do you make of this statement:

"State schools in Kano have been obliged to follow a Muslim dress code since 2003"?

If "nobody" is forced to wear the veil, it would be a case of utter mental retardation for the Kano State Governor to "order non-Islamic schools to introduce veils for their female students".

Danmasani:

Allow people to practise their beliefs or traditions, it is not for you to judge and say no or say yes.

This nonsensical whim is all too typical of the sordid denseness associated with people who speak from both sides of their mouth! "Allowing" people to practise their beliefs does not (and should never) translate into muzzling their constitutional rights to be able to have their say on the serpent-fanged, double-faced al-taqiyya of the Muslim north! If you believe at all in freedom, you ought to both recognize and respect their right to choose to say NO to such slow-wittedness.

Danmasani:

Just like how some schools force every girl to have a hearcut in Nigerian schools, so does KANO state government have the right to make them wear veils

And oh, BTW, that should read as "HAIRCUT" and not slanking off your [b]hear[/b]ing faculty!!

Danmasani:

If you don't like it, you can go hang!

After you, bro! cheesy Now we know how much of a "xtian northerner" you are!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 8:52pm On May 05, 2007
Danmasani:

Nairalanders, if a set of people decide to opt to practise a norm or partake in something they want to do, WHO ARE YOU TO STOP THEM. Thousands of muslims and non-muslims out there wear headgears, scarfs and veils because they want to, not because they are forced to.

Now let us rephrase that highlighted portion in line with the constitution that Nigeria presently pretends to operate that gives every citizen the right to freedom of choice and expression:

If a set of people decide to opt OUT of practising a norm or REFUSE to partake in something they DONT want to do, WHO ARE YOU TO FORCE THEM?

That is what the Kano state government is doing in effect, forcing non-muslims to abide by codes of dressiing they did not vote for neither do they subscribe to. In essence the law means ANY christian who is opposed to wearing a veil CANNOT attend school in Kano state, a decision that is against her fundamental rights to exist in any state of the federation she so wishes. Therein lies the sheer futility of your argument, it is not enough to argue for those in favour of the veil, those not in favour also matter! The problem with islam is that the opposition have no rights whatsoever. So much for submission.

Danmasani:

Just like how some schools force every girl to have a hearcut in Nigerian schools, so does KANO state government have the right to make them wear veils( NOT HIJAB!) over their hair.

Comparing haircuts and veils is like comparing a frog and a fish! The decision for female students to have a haircut is not a STATE decision but a decision based on the principles of the school. Before a child is allowed to attend a school in the south he/she is given the school's codes of dressing and conduct, any parent that wishes not to abide by the dress code is free to move the child to another nearby school. To demand that private schools, including perhaps those run by christian proprietors, must adopt the veil is a travesty of our constitutional rights!
In the case of the Kano state government, a parent who does not want his daughter in a veil is forced to either move the child to another state or move his entire family altogether!
It is hypocritical people like you who would be first to shout if the US unilaterally demanded that EVERY person living within its borders must not wear any symbol of the islamic religion.
When the French government decided that ALL FEMALE students in the country must NOT wear a veil, hypocrites like you jumped and started shouting about freedom of expression, the same freedom your governors in Kano have no qualms denying others.

Danmasani:

Allow people to practise their beliefs or traditions, it is not for you to judge and say no or say yes.
If you don't like it, you can go hang!

Typical response of those who will be accusing the Americans of bullying tomorrow!

Danmasani:

So please, Davidylan and Pain, stop spreading Hate, misinformation and falsehoods to people because it seems that there is absolutely nothing else you do here than that!

Hate - is what the Kano state government is indirectly demonstrating to non-muslims opposed to seeing their little angels under the demonic influence of islamic veils.
Misinformation - was what the kano state government demonstrated when they LIED that sharia would not affect the non-muslims int he state.
Falsehood - Is what you demonstrate by pretending that we spread hate and misinformation by merely reporting the news!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Jakumo(m): 10:05pm On May 05, 2007
Beautiful and utterly truthful submission David. Now let us see how deep into fantasy-land our Bin Laden disciples will have to venture in their futile struggle to deliver a coherent response.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Pain(m): 2:11am On May 06, 2007
Jakumo:

Beautiful and utterly truthful submission David. Now let us see how deep into fantasy-land our Bin Laden disciples will have to venture in their futile struggle to deliver a coherent response.

We Are Waiting.

Patiently sad
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by mazaje(m): 6:15pm On May 06, 2007
Hi to all
Pls lets not all be misinformed here, there was no were it was said that all students including the non muslims should wear the hijab. it only stated that both government and private schools female students ought to wear the veil . the statement did'nt state categorical if the wearing of the hijab includes the non muslims. The moslems have the right to live according to the tenets of islam and we have no right to dictate and tell them how to live their lives.

Some body made mention of schools forcing their girls to cut their hairs with out them wanting to do so, why arent we complaing and talking about that cos that to me is worse than wearing the hijab why should a girl be made to cut her hair compulsarily? am a northern non muslim and the way some members of this forum get hyped up over trivial issues relating to religion is very ludacrioius to me. lets learn to be tolerant and let people live their lives as the want to. Until when the government comes out and say that all the girls should wear the hijab including the non muslims we have nothing to say against them. i feel we are taking this a little to far and to me its wrong.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by McKren(m): 6:52pm On May 06, 2007
@Mazaje

Frankly, you should apply reason here. I like yourself think people should be respected including their religous beliefs. If muslims want to wear viel nobody is against that. But a Governor saying that every school including Private and Public must adhere to a certain dresscode is simply unacceptable.

What it means is that if there is a secular school in Kano they must henceforth adhere to a muslim religous dresscode. I hope you understand what school uniform means?/ everyone wears it.

The truth is that, no matter how we try to believe that we are one people and that we can make Nigeria work. Somepeople try to tell us that whole belief is a farce. It is easy to reach a compromise with anybody provided we know those things that can not be compromised, Shekarua has simply decided to disregard one of such things that should not be compromised in a multi-religous society like ours. There should be opportunity for both Muslim and Non-Muslims schools in any part of Nigeria, it is simply undemocratric and intolerant of Kano State to suggest that a Non-Muslim in a non-muslim school should dress like a muslim.

This in my view is simply an attempt to divert attention, our people are hungry, no good roads, poor electricity. If he loves his people that much he should deliver basic amenities to them and not who is or who is not wearing veils or mini skirt.

The Kano state govt should be ashamed of themselves
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Danmasani(m): 6:58pm On May 06, 2007
mazaje:

Hi to all
Please lets not all be misinformed here, there was no were it was said that all students including the non muslims should wear the hijab. it only stated that both government and private schools female students ought to wear the veil . the statement did'nt state categorical if the wearing of the hijab includes the non muslims. The moslems have the right to live according to the tenets of islam and we have no right to dictate and tell them how to live their lives.

Some body made mention of schools forcing their girls to cut their hairs with out them wanting to do so, why arent we complaing and talking about that because that to me is worse than wearing the hijab why should a girl be made to cut her hair compulsarily? am a northern non muslim and the way some members of this forum get hyped up over trivial issues relating to religion is very ludacrioius to me. lets learn to be tolerant and let people live their lives as the want to. Until when the government comes out and say that all the girls should wear the hijab including the non muslims we have nothing to say against them. i feel we are taking this a little to far and to me its wrong.

True talk. I myself is a non-muslim northerner and i see nothing abhorrent if every girl wears a veil to cover her hair. For God's sake, veil in the entire north whether xtian or Muslim signifies decency. People who don't know anything about it should shut up. Kano state is not forcing everyone to wear a hijab, the are telling only schoolgirls to show decency and wear a veil. It is a way of instilling decency in our kids. If Kano state is ready to do such, i don't see why hell must be let loose. The west has so much blocked your views about alot of things in that simple practice of good culture is now considered abhorrent. Is it not pure double standards that Britain and France are trying at all cost to ban hijabs? where is the sense of fairness and the right to practice what one believes freely! I haven't heard any uproar from a western leader saying this is wrong. However the moment Ibrahim Shekaru proposes veil wearing, a normal practice in the north among school girls, everyone is shouting!

Like i said, some schools all over Nigeria , north to south make their students have a haircut, wear veils to class or something. My school in Jos forced everyone to go to Church mass every morning ( whether Christian or Muslim). Every state has the right to subject its school populations to certain norms. If the rules and regulations says wear a veil, then do it. No one is against decency. If it says, EVERYONE MUST WEAR A HI JAB, XTIAN or MUSLIM, Believe me, I'll be the first person here to protest!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Jakumo(m): 7:14pm On May 06, 2007
These are some questions that come to my mind when I hear about another fundamentalist loony hyperventilating over women's choice of attire.

Are the ever self-righteous men-folk of that faith so easily aroused that women need to be covered from head to foot to prevent embarrassing erections ?

If the loonies are so easily aroused by any tiny glimpse of the female anatomy, wouldn't it be more expedient for the rabid faithful to duck behind a bush for some feverish masturbation of their disobedient worm  every time a woman with uncovered hair walks by ?    

If the truth of the matter is that fundamentalist zealots in fact HATE women so much as to try and render them invisible  by forcing them into full-body masquerade outfits, why don't all the turban-heads just step proudly out of the closet, declare their gayness, and DEPORT ALL WOMEN to non-fundamentalist jurisdictions where their rights to dress as they please are both respected and appreciated ?
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stimulus(m): 7:46pm On May 06, 2007
@mazaje,

mazaje:

Please lets not all be misinformed here, there was no were it was said that all students including the non muslims should wear the hijab. it only stated that both government and private schools female students ought to wear the veil . the statement did'nt state categorical if the wearing of the hijab includes the non muslims..

Okay. So, both government and private schools female students are ONLY muslims, ba? If they do not include the non muslims, pray tell, where did these news agencies get their reports from?


[KILIL 5 NEWS] http://www.kilil5.com/news/8960_nigerian-state-extends-islamic-d

Excerpt:
KANO, Nigeria (AFP) - Authorities in the most populous state in northern Nigeria have made it compulsory for pupils in all schools in the state to abide by an Islamic dress code. "All private schools in the state are hereby directed to ensure their ,  pupils observe the dress code in accordance with the tradition and beliefs of our people," Kano governor Ibrahim Shekarau said late Thursday in the state capital.

"This is in line with our resolve to bring about a positive change in the attitude of our students and to strengthen their morality," Shekarau told a large crowed of veiled schoolgirls. "We do not expect all private school in this state to fail in this regard", Shekarau said without giving details about penalties
.


[YAHOO NEWS] http://p232.news.mud.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070504/wl_africa_afp/nigeriaislameducation

Excerpt:

KANO, Nigeria (AFP) - Kano has become the first state in Nigeria to make it compulsory for all pupils, both Christian and Muslim, to wear Islamic dress.

Mustapha Ibrahim, a Muslim who runs a private school with both Muslim and Christian pupils, said he was still awaiting official notification of the new regulation from the education ministry
.


[Islam ONLINE.Net] http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&=1178193292316&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

Excerpt:

KANO, Nigeria — Authorities in northern Nigeria's most populous state of Kano have made it compulsory for students, Muslims and Christians, in all private schools to abide by an Islamic code of dress.


Basically the same thing is reported in the following:

[Middle East Times]  http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070504-070126-6147r

The Peninsula

It might interest you that some of these al-taqiyya games have been well observed in some States:

[Project Open Book: NIGERIA] http://www.domini.org/openbook/nigeria20031010.htm

Excerpt:

In Kano State, all girls – including Christians – attending state run schools are to be compelled to wear the Islamic headscarf. Meanwhile in Azare, Bauchi State, 12 nurses have been sacked for non-compliance with a dress code based on Islamic law (shari’a).

On Friday 29 August the government of Kano State issued a directive that all girls attending schools run by the State Government should wear the Islamic headscarf, or hijab as it is known
. This directive applies to all girls whether they are Muslim or not.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 8:25pm On May 06, 2007
mazaje:

The moslems have the right to live according to the tenets of islam and we have no right to dictate and tell them how to live their lives.

As someone suggested earlier, please let us apply reason when we debate. This is NOT about whether muslims have the right to live according to the tenets of islam or not but about whether those same muslims have the right to dictate to others how they should live their lives!
Please remind Shekarau to let our daughters be!

mazaje:

Until when the government comes out and say that all the girls should wear the hijab including the non muslims we have nothing to say against them. i feel we are taking this a little to far and to me its wrong.

I'm sure Shekarau represents the Kano state government and he has categorically demanded that non-muslim girls both in government and private school where ordinarily his government should have no control MUST wear the hijab!

Danmasani:

Is it not pure double standards that Britain and France are trying at all cost to ban hijabs? where is the sense of fairness and the right to practice what one believes freely!

You need to hear yourself! When France and Britain tried to ban wearing the hijab (considering they are historically CHRISTIAN nations!) everyone including your hypocritical selves yelled for "fairness" and the "right to practice what one believes freely". Pray! Where is that same "fairness" when my daughter has to wear a hijab to private school in Kano agaiinst her RIGHT TO PRACTICE WHAT SHE BELIEVES FREELY?
If muslims in France demand to wear their hijab, why should christians in Kano be forced to wear one?

Danmasani:

I haven't heard any uproar from a western leader saying this is wrong. However the moment Ibrahim Shekaru proposes veil wearing, a normal practice in the north among school girls, everyone is shouting!

I'm sure you must have read the report. Shekarau did not PROPOSE but demands COMPULSORY adherence to the wearing of the hijab! There is a big difference between both. It is easy for muslims to demand "fairness and justice" in western nations, the same things they have no problems denying others in their 12th century enclaves.

Danmasani:

True talk. I myself is a non-muslim northerner and i see nothing abhorrent if every girl wears a veil to cover her hair. For God's sake, veil in the entire north whether xtian or Muslim signifies decency.

If a veil signifies decency why then do we have cases of child marriages, HIV (Benue state), VVF endemic in the north?
I would have assumed that should have been the case in the "indecent" south where our women entice men by refusing to wear the hijab.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by somze(f): 9:38pm On May 06, 2007
@ mazaje & Danmasani
Whether you are infact non-muslims is hugely debate-able. That however is not the point. The directive clearly infringes on a person's constitutional and human rights. I hope earlier post by davidylan and stimulus have proved that to you.

What would be the penalty if this directive is disobeyed?

I also think that schools should be tackled for forcing students to cut their hair or attend religious service.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Danmasani(m): 10:34pm On May 06, 2007
Davidylan and all the rambling hullabaloo in this forum, Respect my tradition and way of living before you match words with me. This is not about discrimination against women or anything. It is a culture we Northerners have imbibed and practised for years. What is wrong if we insist to preserve our culture? For God's sack, it is only a veil, Not Hijab. Take an analogy, will u term the Eyo festival which disallows women from seeing the masquerade a discriminatory act? No, Neither will u complain when Ibos do same. A true show of double-standards is always in play here. Just like Christ said " Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Every self-righteous imp here can rant all they want, we'll live our ways they way we want to!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 11:48pm On May 06, 2007
Danmasani:

Davidylan and all the rambling hullabaloo in this forum, Respect my tradition and way of living before you match words with me. This is not about discrimination against women or anything. It is a culture we Northerners have imbibed and practised for years. What is wrong if we insist to preserve our culture? For God's sack, it is only a veil, Not Hijab.

Trust me, no one is bothered if you choose to preserve your culture. I think you need to step back and read the MEANING of our discomfort rather than going on the defensive as long as it is north! The grouse is NOT about whether Shekarau wants to dress his wives nd daughters in sackloth and ashes in an attempt to preserve his culture, it is about making it a COMPULSION that those who do not subscribe to his culture are forced to either acquiesce or leave the state.
If Shekarau wants his daughters in hijab, no problem so long as he does not force my daughter to do the same.

Danmasani:

Every self-righteous imp here can rant all they want, we'll live our ways they way we want to!

. . . as long as you dont impose your way of life on others you are free to continue living ur life of backwardness. No one is bothered. Has anyone wondered whether women wear the hijab in Chad or Niger before?
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stimulus(m): 1:01am On May 07, 2007
Danmasani:

Davidylan and all the rambling hullabaloo in this forum, Respect my tradition and way of living before you match words with me. This is not about discrimination against women or anything. It is a culture we Northerners have imbibed and practised for years. What is wrong if we insist to preserve our culture?

From the word go, you gave yourself away as a camouflage "Xtian northerner!" Did you really have to make claims to accentuate the al-taqiyya of the Muslim north?
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by somze(f): 1:04am On May 07, 2007
Danmasani:

Davidylan and all the rambling hullabaloo in this forum, Respect my tradition and way of living before you match words with me. This is not about discrimination against women or anything. It is a culture we Northerners have imbibed and practised for years. What is wrong if we insist to preserve our culture? For God's sack, it is only a veil, Not Hijab. Take an analogy, will u term the Eyo festival which disallows women from seeing the masquerade a discriminatory act? No, Neither will u complain when Ibos do same. A true show of double-standards is always in play here. Just like Christ said " Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Every self-righteous imp here can rant all they want, we'll live our ways they way we want to!

Oga, you've turned it into a tribal thing whilst calling us names already? Why did you not come out and say you were northern all along instead of masquerading as non-moslem. How you can compare this to a festival is simply laughable. Is everyone forced by law to actively participate in the festival? Haba oga, you are better than this now. Like Davidylan said, you are just on the defensive but i fear your so called defense is baseless.

I see you've accused us of double standards? What next - we want to annihilate notherners and their culture? grin

You are clearly biased in your views.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Danmasani(m): 1:24am On May 07, 2007
davidylan:

Trust me, no one is bothered if you choose to preserve your culture. I think you need to step back and read the MEANING of our discomfort rather than going on the defensive as long as it is north! The grouse is NOT about whether Shekarau wants to dress his wives nd daughters in sackloth and ashes in an attempt to preserve his culture, it is about making it a COMPULSION that those who do not subscribe to his culture are forced to either acquiesce or leave the state.
If Shekarau wants his daughters in hijab, no problem so long as he does not force my daughter to do the same.

. . . as long as you don't impose your way of life on others you are free to continue living your life of backwardness. No one is bothered. Has anyone wondered whether women wear the hijab in Chad or Niger before?

Please can u specifically show me anywhere or any evidence where Shekarau is forcing someone to wear a hijab? Do u even know the difference between a hijab and a veil? Does christianity not tell us that women should dress properly with covered hair especially when coming into God's house?
I will not debate my religion with anyone here. I know what i practice as a faith. Thousands of people I've met think the entire North is Muslim. Im sure some of those countering me here fall under such category. They know nothing of the North but chose to slander it without hesistation.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 1:25am On May 07, 2007
somze:

How you can compare this to a festival is simply laughable. Is everyone forced by law to actively participate in the festival? Haba oga, you are better than this now.

grin grin I couldnt help laugh at this. You hit the nail on the head my brother. Perhaps in oga Danmasani's village, the constitution dictates that everyone be a part of the Eyo festival by force.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 1:32am On May 07, 2007
Danmasani:

Please can u specifically show me anywhere or any evidence where Shekarau is forcing someone to wear a hijab? Do u even know the difference between a hijab and a veil?

We all know the difference between a hijab and a veil is that between 6 and half a dozen. Ask the Iranian women!
Did you forget to read this portion?
“All private schools in the state are hereby directed to ensure that their pupils observe the dress code in accordance with the tradition and beliefs of our people,
We do not expect any private school in this state to fail in this regard,”


In that case if i were running a private christian school or if there was any missionary school in Kano, all the girls there are FORCED to wear the veil/hijab (whatever is the politically correct version). That should explain itself except to people like you with their heads buried in the sand of bias.

Danmasani:

Does christianity not tell us that women should dress properly with covered hair especially when coming into God's house?
I will not debate my religion with anyone here. I know what i practice as a faith. Thousands of people I've met think the entire North is Muslim. I'm sure some of those countering me here fall under such category. They know nothing of the North but chose to slander it without hesistation.

Is this debate about christian women and head covering or whether covering of the hair by women is decent or not? Are the women in buffalo covering their hair? why are you still living there and not in good old "decent" Kano where women are dressed like masquerades?
Assuming we are to take your biblical quote in a literal sense, are the school children in Kano going to the house of God every day of the week?
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Danmasani(m): 2:02am On May 07, 2007
Davidylan, tell me exactly where Shekarau decreed that a Hijab must be worn by every school girl rather than a veil!!!!!!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by McKren(m): 2:58am On May 07, 2007
Dansami I am so happy you are acceepting this as your culture. I hope that when students kill their teacher for desecrating the qur'an or people kill others for activities in Denmark you will also accept that as your culture.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 3:04am On May 07, 2007
@ McKren, they already accept it, it is only politically correct for them to "condemn" such acts. It is merely a way of saying, its part of our culture now live with it and get on with life.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stimulus(m): 9:42am On May 07, 2007
@davidylan,

davidylan:

We all know the difference between a hijab and a veil is that between 6 and half a dozen.

I salute you for attempting to educate our friend about his al-taqiyya. What I do know is that you cannot be sure of anything in the culture of the Muslim North, not even when truth stares them in the face.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stimulus(m): 9:43am On May 07, 2007
@Danmasani,

Oga, no vex; but your being a 'xtian notherner' apart, please take a look at the following article on Wikipedia and tell me what you think:

Excerpt:

'''Hijab''' or ħijāb (حجاب) is the Arabic term for "cover" (noun), based on the root حجب meaning "to veil, to cover (verb), to screen, to shelter"

In some Arabic-speaking countries and Western countries, the word hijab primarily refers to women's head and body covering, but in Islamic scholarship, hijab is given the wider meaning of modesty, privacy, and morality. The word used in the Qur'an for a headscarf or veil is khimār (خمار).

Source: Wikipedia on Hijab


Certainly, I know that there are other concepts of veiling in Islamic cultures, such as the Niqab. But here again, I'll let the BBC article on this explain the difference to us:

Excerpt:

This has led to a distinction between the hijab (literally "covering up" in Arabic) and the niqab (meaning "full veil"wink.

Hijab is a common sight among Muslim women, a scarf that covers their hair and neck.

Niqab consists of covering up completely, including gloves and a veil for the face - leaving just a slit for the eyes, or covering them too with transparent material.

Source: Why Muslim Women Wear the Veil (perhaps the pictures there might help your understanding of either concepts?)


A reminder yet again:

On Friday 29 August the government of Kano State issued a directive that all girls attending schools run by the State Government should wear the Islamic headscarf, or hijab as it is known. This directive applies to all girls whether they are Muslim or not.

Source: Project Open Book: NIGERIA

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Now, what's the point in all this? First, here's your argument:

Danmasani:

Davidylan, tell me exactly where Shekarau decreed that a Hijab must be worn by every school girl rather than a veil!!!!!!

Can you please tell us what is the difference between a HIJAB and a VEIL?? From the foregoing, could it be that both Wikipedia and the BBC were colossally wrong in making the inference that a hijab is nothing short of a veil (perhaps because neither Wikipedia nor the BBC understands your culture)??

Danmasani:

Please can u specifically show me anywhere or any evidence where Shekarau is forcing someone to wear a hijab? Do u even know the difference between a hijab and a veil?

Unless the English language has been reloaded to another matrix that we can no longer understand, what do you understand by the word "forcing", and how does it differ from the word "compelled"?? Or, pray tell, what is the meaning of the following highlighted words in the statement by Shekarau:

"All private schools in the state are hereby directed to ensure their,
pupils observe the dress code in accordance with the tradition and
beliefs of our people," Kano governor Ibrahim Shekarau. " We do not
expect all private school in this state to fail in this regard
."

If there is or has not been any concept of "force" in the actions of the Kano State Government, we can applaud the al-taqiyya tendency of the Muslim North in this report:

"In Kano State, all girls – including Christians – attending state run
schools are to be compelled to wear the Islamic headscarf. Meanwhile
in Azare, Bauchi State, 12 nurses have been sacked for non-compliance
with a dress code based on Islamic law (shari’a)."
Source: Project Open Book: NIGERIA


Oga Danmasani, na wa for unu culture!!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by mazaje(m): 10:17am On May 07, 2007
Am back again. I did'nt really read the report in detail before i made my first contribution, now that i have seen the whole detailed report i believe i will definately have to change my stance. if they remain adamant and make it compulsary for all girls to wear the veil then they are very WRONG in making that declearation.Nigeria is for every body and everybody has the right to live the way he/she likes as far as his/her life style is not obsence and against the culture and practices of the people around him/her.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by lafile(m): 10:38am On May 07, 2007
DANMASANI! (I have to shout! be like say the guy no dey hear word)
Dont You Get It?
I live in Kano and I dont want my daughter to cover her hair. Shikena! What do I do?
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Reverend(m): 10:43am On May 07, 2007
@Lafile

Your only choice will be to move to a normal part of Nigeria and leave the fanatatics to their vices undecided
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by ono(m): 11:05am On May 07, 2007
Well, Danmasani says wearing a Hijab is a way of life over there in the North, and he and his brothers wants everyone to follow in their culture in order to preserve it (this is absurd). I tell him this position of theirs is wrong. Your Northern brothers need to respect other peoples culture too. I'm very much sure that this Shekarau governor knows that there are people from all over the country whose culture and beliefs are quite different to what they have there in Kano, and would like to practice it where ever they are. He has no right to infringe on this right of others.

I see a situation where every woman, christians and muslims alike, would be forced to wear Hijab to any place of worship (Churches and Mosques) in Kano very soon.

I suggest non-muslims southerners living in the North should go back home to the south and start living a life they are comfortable with. I think their lives are in grave danger if they remain over there.

That said, these are signs that the centre cannot hold again in this country. Things will soon start to fall apart. Our foundation as a country was built on ''sinking sands''. It's just a matter of months and the worst fears of us all will stare us in the face. The US prediction of a break up of the components of this country is imminent.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Afam(m): 12:29pm On May 07, 2007
If the schools in the South (read christians) ask female students to cut their hairs even in the primary and secondary schools and no one sees anything wrong in it then Kano state has the right to oblige schools to follow a particular trend it feels ok with, simple.

If the majority of the people in Kano wants Sharia then it is ok to implement it, that is all about law, majority will have their way while the minority will have their say.

People talk about freedom of this, freedom of that why do people in the US or UK get picked up all in the name of inciting violence? Why not allow everyone say what he or she wants to say or do what he or she wants to do.

Many of us that complain may actually be the main hypocrites here.

And this issue has nothing to do with gradual islamisation of Nigeria but implementation of Sharia codes where the majority of the people want Sharia as a way of life.

This is a consequence of democracy.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stimulus(m): 12:50pm On May 07, 2007
Afam:

If the schools in the South (read christians) ask female students to cut their hairs even in the primary and secondary schools and no one sees anything wrong in it then Kano state has the right to oblige schools to follow a particular trend it feels ok with, simple.

I'm interesting in just one thing: the argument of a "haircut" in the south - which of the options below does that come under:

(a) a State Government's "directive" to all schools to "ensure" that female students
comply with the ISLAMICChristian dress code;

(b) a State Government's "directive" as such based on the SHARIAGospel
legal system?

Which one of those "female" students in the South has had to segregated or lose their jobs as nurses for not cutting their hair??

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