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Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by vicoloni(m): 7:04am On Mar 16, 2011
As expected, VP Namadi Sambo declined to participate in the NN24 debate. Talk about PDP arrogance! The duo of John Oyegun and Fola Adeola quickly became mince meat for Bakare who is widely known for his oratorial skills.
If elections are won by speeches only, Bakare will have a landslide. Oyegun was also impressive though he took pride in his age and political experience. Fola Adeola in his part failed to impress me as a would be political juggernaut! He was at best an 'Ajebo' who have been whisked from his comfort zone. He would fair better as a minister of state for finance!
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by CyberG: 7:06am On Mar 16, 2011
Where is the video so I can make my own assessment and form an independent opinion?
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by mkohagwu(m): 7:31am On Mar 16, 2011
Where was this aired, definetly not NTA
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by birdman(m): 7:46am On Mar 16, 2011
its on youtube
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by temmytanny(m): 7:57am On Mar 16, 2011
I dont think he floored any one, i watched it and without being biase(though i support ACN), i give it to oyegun,then bakare  and fola adeola last. Oyegun really shows he is a politician with vast experience in the polity while bakare showed some promises. Fola adeola tried but not up to the task.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by birdman(m): 8:01am On Mar 16, 2011
I definitely agree that Oyegun was the most comported and convincing. Bakare pretty much relied on his ability to talk and sway crowds, and it worked.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by temmytanny(m): 8:04am On Mar 16, 2011
Well if you say so and moreover Bakare gained grounds because he is new and people watching wanted something new and not some old of the same
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Nobody: 8:16am On Mar 16, 2011
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Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Nattlil(m): 8:26am On Mar 16, 2011
Mallam Bakare another fake pastor merging with a jihadists are both heading for the rock failure is their middle name VOTE GEJ AND SAMBO COME APRIL "GOODLUCK NIGERIANS"
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by wesley80(m): 9:12am On Mar 16, 2011
Here's an editorial verdict:

, Many Nigerians, therefore, had great expectations for our country’s first vice presidential TV debate, especially since the cast of vice presidential candidates is a colourful one that includes respected cleric Tunde Bakare, famed corporate whiz Fola Adeola, and experienced public servant John Oyegun. Also expected — until he chickened out without explanation – was former governor and now Vice President, Namadi Sambo.

Unfortunately, the debate we got was neither the debate we expected nor that which we deserved — and it had little to do with the disappearance of Mr. Sambo. Save for perfunctory references to their principals being “the best candidate for president that Nigerians have,” none of the debaters was able to make a solid case for why their ticket is far and above the rest the best choice for Nigeria at this time.

Candidates instead turned to sweeping generalizations as they struggled to outdo themselves in offering choice words for the People’s Democratic Party. If we didn’t know any better, it would be easy to conclude that there are only two parties in this contest: PDP and The Others. While there is something to be said for civility and geniality, the debaters were rather too comfortable and self-satisfied and appeared in no hurry to draw sharp contrasts in ideology, mission and strategy, almost as if there was no hope that this debate would serve any useful purpose for the electorate. The debate was also frustratingly void of specifics. A question about developing our non-oil economy, for instance, got a rambling answer from Mr. Bakare that instead took Nigerians on a history lesson; and Mr. Adeola’s prescription for a robust economy was for Nigerians to go on an undefined “corruption fast” — a recommendation that is both impractical and difficult to understand. Even the quality of the conversation left a lot to be desired. In one cringeworthy moment, candidates grouped women and the disabled together in yet another instance of obtuseness in correctly deconstructing issues and offering constructive ideas.

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Opinion/5683556-146/story.csp

There goes your winner.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by naso2(m): 9:57am On Mar 16, 2011
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Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by AbuMaryam1(m): 10:33am On Mar 16, 2011
Ok, we have heard this one, now that the  zoologist had honour the invitation we would differentiate,  who are the RASCALS!!
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by jaymanny: 1:11pm On Mar 16, 2011
What are you, the grand judge of the event. Tell us this is what you feel. Far as I am concerned, all he was successful at was criticism and giving little solution. I feel Fola Adeola provided solutions to back up his criticisms.

Oyegun and Fola are close to what we need but a Pastor who vomits and eats it, is definitely not! he probably went to dust his old books when he was called to join Buhari.

Let me say this, the fact that Buhari and Bakare are working together does not mean they like each other. It was done only for the sake of winning. I was speaking to a member of the BB campaign from the north and he said it. Buhari is fed up of loosing and so he will do anything to win this time. vote BB and watch Buhari this guy out, or maybe another presidential war for 4 yrs just like the OBJ-ATIKU saga.

Vote wisely. Vote the Best of both worlds. VOTE RIBADU/ADEOLA!!
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by seanet02: 1:37pm On Mar 16, 2011
How did he Floored the other contestants? some people just like being mischievious
Adeola was simply the Best!! He analyzed economic issues in an Appealing way than bakare junks
Ribadu for President.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by birdman(m): 3:33pm On Mar 16, 2011
seanet02:

How did he Floored the other contestants? some people just like being mischievious
Adeola was simply the Best!! He analyzed economic issues in an Appealing way than bakare junks
Ribadu for President.

There was nothing appealing about Fola's analysis, or mannerisms for that matter. You have to question Ribadu's decision -making skills, how can you choose a neophyte for VP. Or is Ribadu a trojan horse? sent to disrupt progressives.
Fola, pls grow up. That was embarassing
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by seanet02: 4:04pm On Mar 16, 2011
birdman:

There was nothing appealing about Fola's analysis, or mannerisms for that matter. You have to question Ribadu's decision -making skills, how can you choose a neophyte for VP. Or is Ribadu a trojan horse? sent to disrupt progressives.
Fola, pls grow up. That was embarassing
Nonsensical Reasoning
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Genbuhari3: 5:24pm On Mar 16, 2011
people are still arguing on VP debates when the streets is screaming BB!

It is natural for your support for your candidate to blur your sense of judgement of the debate. Nobody mentioned that Bakare understood the role of the VP more than the others, nobody mentioned that Bakare said they will seel to amend the constitution to remove immunity clause while fola only said Ribadu and himself will live a non-corruptible life nobody remembered Bakare saying they will remove ethnicity, state of origin from all documents and replace with state of residence in an attempt to stop ethnic violence.

the only area i can concede he didn't do well was on the economy, but even fola missed this completely.


Bakare did well as a lawyer (role of VP) and social commentator (socialand religious issues) but failed on economy. Fola failed on economy (his strenght) and rambled through the rest (i was amazed seeing a former CEO having stage fright and fidgeting grin). i remembered my job interview years and this same people tell you you are not confident grin

In all, Bakare and Buhari have both said they are not economist, but incorruptible duo who will build a formidable team to run the economy.

Integrity, incorruptibility and the will and courage to make things happen abide with them, and this is enough for me. People say Buhari is old, yet he has covered 8 states by road in the last 2 weeks!
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Pataki: 5:36pm On Mar 16, 2011
Genbuhari3:


Bakare did well as a lawyer (role of VP) and social commentator (socialand religious issues) but failed on economy. Fola failed on economy (his strenght) and rambled through the rest (i was amazed seeing a former CEO having stage fright and fidgeting grin). i remembered my job interview years and this same people tell you you are not confident grin
Exactly my thoughts!

You have totally penned down everything I thought of the debate.

When Fola was asked to introduce himself, he began rambling about he is a father of one wife with 6kids from a family of so and so number. That is utter fail in interview questions. He should know better because these are behavioral questions.

Even when the lady interviewing them asked him of his recent flight accident, he went on talking about how he was not clear what the question was intended for! Very silly I must say. Political pundits would know that was an avenue to market yourself, your party and use that to project ACN would do to avert such disaster in the nearest future!! A Bakare was smart enough to use that medium to talk more and project CPC in better light.

In respect to the Economics, I truly expected Fola to outshine Bakare, but he failed in that regards equally.

Even a non-biased friend of mine made up her mind yesterday after watching the debate on youtube. She is simply just waiting for the Presidential debate to hear Buhari talk before she seals the deal that her presidential vote goes to CPC.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Gbawe: 5:58pm On Mar 16, 2011
seanet02:

How did he Floored the other contestants? some people just like being mischievious
Adeola was simply the Best!! He analyzed economic issues in an Appealing way than bakare junks
Ribadu for President.

@Seanet02.

Sometimes we have to speak the truth and shame the devil . Bakare and Oyegun were average IMO but Fola Adeola was poor. Too many elementary errors . In a debate , you do not keep looking down at your note pad , as if you need to refer to pointers used to jog memory during a speech . You should look confidently at the camera and answer the question directly without vagueness and ambivalence. Fola dissapointed the most because he should be far ahead of the other . I cringed with some of his replies and wished I could replace him up there.

All the candidates , in general , were poor . Bakare was sanctimonious and spoke in a very obvious rehearsed monotone that suggests he practices public speaking in front of a mirror. Oyegun was a typical politician i.e evasive . Non of the candidates did well in regards to answering the questions effectively without vague response. The host was poor also as she gave them an easy ride rather than force specific answers to questions when the candidates had provided generic babble.

When , for example , she asked Bakare and Oyegun what they thought of Sanusi's assertion that recurrent expenditure outweighs capital exppenditure I was expecting them to "murder" GEJ but both provided evasive answers about corruption when it would be much better to show you know what is going on by pointing out that recurrent expenditure is only unacceptably high because the GEJ Government lacks the ideas to move away from subsidising a bloated bureaucracy that is ludicrously expensive to run yet highly unproductive thereby giving very little value for money to Nigeria. A wise and erudite candidate would then suggest that , as even GEJ's own PAC advised , they would automatically reduce recurrent expenditure drastically by pruning waste and profligacy through doing away with uneccesary and gratuitious job positions, obsolete political offices , superflous protocols , inneficient practices, duplicated agencies plus carrying out a downward review of pay and perks while reducing other expenses that hike up recurrent expenses undesirably at the expense of money that should be made available for capital and infrastructural expenditure.

Sambo should have showed up because , aside constant criticism of the PDP , non of these guys had anything incisive to say. He may actually have gotten the better of them and done himself and GEJ a big favour . Alas , the consequences of cowardice. All the VP candidates were dissapointing . Most especially Adeola . HE should have refrained from playing politics and stuck to his strenghts as a technocrat. That would have being effortlessly impressive.

I guess we can thank all those who participated in the first VP debate but we must hope future debates are better than what we saw.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Genbuhari3: 6:22pm On Mar 16, 2011
Gbawe

if i recall the questions?

ON corruption - Bakare was specific on removing immunity of governors and presidents from criminal cases
on role of VP - He listed 6 constitutional roles the vp must perform including chairman of National Privatisation council (quoting sections of constitution)
on sharia - he mentioned specifically the supremacy of the nigerian constitution over sharia but the freedom to practice ones religion
on his statement on Buhari being the old generation that has passed away - he never denied it but re-emphasised his change of mindset considering present situation
on economy - no answer
on recurrent expenditure - he mentioned a lean public service manned by competent hands


i think in terms of specifics and ability to convince people based on your opinion and confidence, i stand with Bakare.

Maybe because i am a BB supporter, i can't remember the specifics Oyegun and Fola mentioned. i will appreciate if you can remember and tell me now.

In debate, you have to be composed and not run around the stage, this is what Bakare did. Debate in those school days are the same, guy.

Funny thing is the interviewer from Next messed up considering the questions she asked. and it is a shame that the same next newspapers criticised the debate one of theirs anchored. you see how biased the media is
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Gbawe: 6:47pm On Mar 16, 2011
Genbuhari3:

i think in terms of specifics and ability to convince people based on your opinion and confidence, i stand with Bakare.

Maybe because i am a BB supporter, i can't remember the specifics Oyegun and Fola mentioned. i will appreciate if you can remember and tell me now.



What are you talking about ? Did you miss this:

Non of the candidates did well in regards to answering the questions effectively without vague response. The host was poor also as she gave them an easy ride rather than force specific answers to questions when the candidates had provided generic babble.

As per this:

on recurrent expenditure - he mentioned a lean public service manned by competent hands

I suggest you go and listen again because Bakare effectively concluded that "A CPC Government will not do that"  . He did not show , as the Danjuma-led PAC showed, that he understood why reccurrent expenditure is currently condemned by many analyst , home and abroad, as unreasonably high .

Anyway , lets not go back and forth . They were all poor IMO with Adeola worst.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Genbuhari3: 6:57pm On Mar 16, 2011
Gbawe,

dont disappoint me as i see you as a constructive contributor. i have mentioned my own specifics, mention yours. i am not relying on someone's perception that the debate was vague. i have managed without jotting down, in recollecting, days after, the specifics my candidate mentioned.

what are yours? do not generalize. i have been unbiased in saying that as a ribadu supporter, you may listen more attentively to fola than me, so you should be able to recollect what he said. if not, then your candidate failed woefully!

as for Bakare's 'CPC will not do that, ' i know he said that and there are so many things he said which i just filtered, but i held on to those that connects with me, and a lean government does.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Gbawe: 7:03pm On Mar 16, 2011
Genbuhari3:

Gbawe,

dont disappoint me as i see you as a constructive contributor. i have mentioned my own specifics, mention yours. i am not relying on someone's perception that the debate was vague. i have managed without jotting down, in recollecting, days after, the specifics my candidate mentioned.

what are yours? do not generalize. i have been unbiased in saying that as a ribadu supporter, you may listen more attentively to fola than me, so you should be able to recollect what he said. if not, then your candidate failed woefully!

as for Bakare's 'CPC will not do that, ' i know he said that and there are so many things he said which i just filtered, but i held on to those that connects with me, and a lean government does.

Are you actually reading what I have written ? Did I not state , even from my first post , that Adeola performed worst IMO?

Please carefully read what is quoted below so you don't have to ask me any more questions that suggest you do not comprehend what others write.

Bakare and Oyegun were average IMO but Fola Adeola was poor.


Anyway , lets not go back and forth . They were all poor IMO with Adeola worst.

I am critical of these guys because they were all average . Do you know that Bakare you praised for knowing the duties of a VP actually indicated , with a gaffe , he crammed his answers rather than understand issues fundamentally and thoroughly? Go back and listen to where Bakare stated that the VP is in charge of the Petroleum technology development fund when it is actually Petroleum trust development fund i.e very different entities by implication. Abeg , as I said before , lets leave issues as dem dey. I dont idolise individuals to the extent I can't see their fault. This is why I can rate Adeola poorest of all the candidates even if I wanted him to perform best. Nonetheless , Bakare and Oyegun were not much better. indeed if Adeola is reading then I would hope my criticism helps him up his game because we praise mediocrity too much in Nigeria thereby preventing our leaders from thinking they need to improve.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Genbuhari3: 7:22pm On Mar 16, 2011
ok, Gbawe,

I rest my case.

Let's see what happens at Presidential debate tomorrow if it holds
As for me and my house, BB2011 is still it. Ribadu is just here to make the ticket more difficult for us as the North East, North West and minna and nasarawa in north central are as good as done deal for Buhari. we will get the % we want from South West (no thanks to Ribadu and ACN), and then scrape little from other zones to chase PDP out!

It is doable and it will happen.

Just thinking. Why is Buhari the only former head of state who can pull so much crowd at rallies? Babangida, Abdulsalami, gowon, obj, shagari. there must be something different about him. and this is what I stand with.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by rebranded(m): 7:22pm On Mar 16, 2011
I just finished watching the debate on youtube. .

its sad Jonathan didnt feel his VP should have attended, shows the free and fair election he is teaching

But yeah Bakare performed best. .Fola and Ribadu are really acting like novice and should kindly step down not to split the votes from BB
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by 9ijaMan: 7:36pm On Mar 16, 2011
I do to some extent agree with Gbawe. I also think the VP candidates could have performed better than they did. In any case, the absence of Sambo probably took the wind out of their sails, they it seemed to me that none of them was willing to take the initiative to draw out the his opponent. They all have a common enemy in Sambo and I suppose that may be the reason why they played it cool.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by rebranded(m): 7:53pm On Mar 16, 2011
Question now is WILL JONATHAN BE AT THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 2moro?
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by 9ijaMan: 7:58pm On Mar 16, 2011
I can bet Jona will not be there.
Re: Bakare Floors Opponents In Nn24 Vp Debate by Gbawe: 8:00pm On Mar 16, 2011
rebranded:

Question now is WILL JONATHAN BE AT THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 2moro?

Very much doubt it .

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