The bible thumpers and the christian apologetics quickly jump to advertise that Jesus had prophesied his alleged death and "crucifixion" and "resurrection".

looking at the bible,one would see several instances were Jesus was said to have prophesied his alleged death and "crucifixion" and "resurrection".but it only takes one single verse (John 20:9;see below) to deny Jesus ever told anyone he was to "die and resurrect" and render the christian missionaries handicap!

[size=14pt]Did Jesus forewarn the apostles of his death and resurrection?[/size]

Yes, he did:

Matthew 20:18-19
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Matthew 26:1-2
Jesus ,  said unto his disciples, Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Matthew 26:31-32
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.

Mark 8:31
And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mark 10:33-34
Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles: And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Mark 14:28
But after that I am risen, I will go before you into Galilee.

Luke 18:31-33
Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.


[size=18pt]No,He Did Not:[/size]

John 20:9
For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

WHAT ARE YOU TO BELIEVE? AND WHO IS LYING?

read more:

“the Christian God: Blood And Human Sacrifice”:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-651811.0.html

where is frosbel,nuclearboy and the rest of the bible thumpers and evangelists?

this thread is here to stay!

why try to avoid it?

@the above lunatic,topic drifter and holy ghost fire possessed demon,

according to the catholic encyclopaedia,"Mary was 12 years old when she got pregenant from the holy ghost".

if you accuse the Prophet Muhammad (sa) of marrying a 9 years old which is not true according to historical texts (Aisha was not less than 16 years old and could have being up to 22 years old),then could not it be that he was following the foosteps of the "holy ghost" which possesses christians till today?

LagosShia:

@the above lunatic,topic drifter and holy ghost fire possessed demon,

according to the catholic encyclopaedia,"Mary was 12 years old when she got pregenant from the holy ghost".

if you accuse the Prophet Muhammad (sa) of marrying a 9 years old which is not true according to historical texts (Aisha was not less than 16 years old and could have being up to 22 years old),then could not it be that he was following the foosteps of the "holy ghost" which possesses christians till today?

In what part of the Koran or Hadith can these ridiculous conclusions of yours be found?

mazaje:

In what part of the Koran or Hadith can these ridiculous conclusions of yours be found?

from the nairaland thread (see link bottom of the post),we read from post #5:

Notes: (AISHA WAS NOT 9 YEARS OLD OR A CHILD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER)
[8] The popular version of ‘Ãisha’s youth age has been exploited by the anti-Islamic groups to attack the Prophet “for marrying a child”. The fact of the matter is that Lady ‘Ãisha was not a child when she was married in 2 AH to the Prophet. At-Tabari, the famous Muslim historian, writes that Abu Bakr’s first two wives and their children were all born in the pre-Islamic era. (Ta’rīkh at-Tabari, vol. 2 [Beirut: al-A‘lami, n.d.] p. 616.) Based on this, even if she was born a year before the commencement of Islam, ‘Ãisha would be 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage to the Prophet – an age in which marriage is common in most cultures. Ibn Kathīr, in his al-Bidãyah wa ’n-Nihãyah (vol. 8, p. 381) states that Asmã’ bint Abu Bakr, the sister of ‘Ãisha, was ten years older than ‘Ãisha. He also reports that Asmã’ died in the year 73 AH at the age of 100. Based on this calculation, ‘Ãisha was 18 or 19 years old at the time of her marriage.

[9] For more details on the Islamic perspective, see my article, “Adoption in Islam,” which is available on-line at www.jaffari.org (Section: Resources/ Resident Alim) and at www.al-islam.org

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-53711.0.html

^^

I asked you to present any Hadith or verse in the Koran and you are busy chasing your long tail. . . .Here is a Hadith that says she was 9 years old. . .

Bukhari.

“It is reported from Aisha that she said: T[b]he Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.[/b]”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.” [3]

Why is this Hadith wrong?. . .Remember it is Bukari, which is considered to be an authentic Hadith. . .

^

you are wasting your time arguing with these liars.


i have quoted hundreds of hadiths, but they refuse to believe that mo was ped.ophile.

@Mazaje; Go on the other thread to discuss the "koran [instead of Quran] and hadith part[s]".

Your case today as you are is a pathetic case.


To know how old a Nigerian is, we can ask if he was born independence. If he says no, we know he is less than 52 years old.

We then ask him if he was born before the first military coup. If he says no, we know is not older that 45 years old.

We then ask him if he was born before the end of the civil war. If he says no, we know that he was not until Sometimes after January 13, 1970.

We then ask him if he was born before the coup that ousted "Jack" Gowon, the norther Christian. If he says no. We know that he is 1975 man or later.

we then ask him if he was born before the coup that ousted "Shagari. If he says no, we then say he is from 1984 at the earliest

We then ask him if he was born before Mandela was release from the Robin Island jail. if he says no, we do know that he is younger than 22 years old.

Apply the same landmark event, local or worldwide to the birth of Aisha [ra] and see what you get. The obvious local and then became worldwide today is the beginning of prophetic office of Muhammad [as] and Aisha's fathe Abu Bakr [ra] entering Islam. was Aisha born before her father entered Islam, with the children and wife that entered with him and he divorcing the wife and child who didn't?

The Messenger [as] is more important than Aisha, and there is no where that his actual age is recorded in Quran or Hadith except that he was born on monday [and he fasted on monday], in a year marked by the invasion of Makka with Elephant mounted soldiers led by evil man Abraha in an attempt to destroy the Kaaba.

Sweetnecta:

@Mazaje; Go on the other thread to discuss the "koran [instead of Quran] and hadith part[s]".

Your case today as you are is a pathetic case.


To know how old a Nigerian is, we can ask if he was born independence. If he says no, we know he is less than 52 years old.

We then ask him if he was born before the first military coup. If he says no, we know is not older that 45 years old.

We then ask him if he was born before the end of the civil war. If he says no, we know that he was not until Sometimes after January 13, 1970.

We then ask him if he was born before the coup that ousted "Jack" Gowon, the norther Christian. If he says no. We know that he is 1975 man or later.

we then ask him if he was born before the coup that ousted "Shagari. If he says no, we then say he is from 1984 at the earliest

We then ask him if he was born before Mandela was release from the Robin Island jail. if he says no, we do know that he is younger than 22 years old.

Apply the same landmark event, local or worldwide to the birth of Aisha [ra] and see what you get. The obvious local and then became worldwide today is the beginning of prophetic office of Muhammad [as] and Aisha's fathe Abu Bakr [ra] entering Islam. was Aisha born before her father entered Islam, with the children and wife that entered with him and he divorcing the wife and child who didn't?

The Messenger [as] is more important than Aisha, and there is no where that his actual age is recorded in Quran or Hadith except that he was born on monday [and he fasted on monday], in a year marked by the invasion of Makka with Elephant mounted soldiers led by evil man Abraha in an attempt to destroy the Kaaba.

What is this . . . .Pls can you provide any Hadith that says Aisha is not 9 years old when she married mohammed?. . . .Why is the Hadith that was written by Bukhari wrong?. . .

WHY IS THAT HADITH RECORDED BY BUKHARI WRONG?

it is wrong because other "hadiths" which you turn a blind eye to deny based on history and calculations Aisha being 9 or 6 years old.

the hadith is wrong because by simple calculations,Aisha was born before Hijra.if the Prophet married her after Hijra,she would be in her mid-teenage years (around 16 at least).

the man who compiled "sahih bukhari" was known to be a paid scribe/puppet to the sunni caliph.Aisha's age was delieberately reduced and Lady Khadijah's (as) age was increased for political reasons.here is what i explained in another thread,post #4:

and even more useless are those who believe that a true Prophet of God can actually do such a thing.

the issue about Aisha's age and some compilers of hadiths who lowered her age (when she got married) to infancy has political underlining.Aisha is disliked well by the Shia,who dont spare exposing her wrongs even to this day.and she is respected by the Sunnis,who recognize her father,abu bakr, as the 1st caliph (successor to the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.).the Shia view abu bakr as a usurper and believe Imam Ali (as) was designated by the Prophet (sa) with divine command to be the first successor.

Aisha was responsible for the killings of thousands of muslims in her war against Imam Ali (as),after the death of the Prophet (sa).that war is refered to as the "battle of jamal".she also disobeyed the Prophet (sa) by going to war as he had prophesied before his death that she should not leave her house and if she does to fight Imam Ali (as),the dogs of Hawab will bark at her.that exactly happened and greatly worried her.

to make Aisha look more innocent and exonerate her actions,they lower her age.in that way,they can argue and ameliorate many of her bad deeds by the excuse that it was the Prophet (sa) who raised Aisha up from infancy.in other words,she got "prophetic manners".ofcourse,alongside lowering her age comes other fanciful accolades given to Aisha like spreading the lie that she was the Prophet's "favorite wife".

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-729702.0.html

frosbel:

^

you are wasting your time arguing with these liars.


i have quoted hundreds of hadiths, but they refuse to believe that mo was ped.ophile.

see your filthy mouth.why must you always sound like the who.re of the forum?

is this thread about Aisha's age or about Jesus' alleged death and resurrection? who is running away from the topic and changing it? who has nothing to say about the topic? stop being a bi*ch!

^^^

I am sorry but you lied to another nairalander and I had to make him aware of your lies and denial about your prophets dark past.

He did marry a 6 year old, if you say he did not, then you are one BIG LIAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway in reference to this article, I found a ready made response which has been posted here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-735648.0.html

Cannot be bothered to start reinventing the wheel, if you know what I mean.

@the above mumu,

and how does your blabbing in that thread got to do with anything being said in this thread?

I will soon wear you and your brothers out, you have been chasing ME all over Nairaland to prove that JESUS CHRIST is not LORD, but not only have I established beyond reasonable doubt that he is, but you have so entangled yourselves in lies and disjointed statements, it is almost becoming a comedy for all to watch.

frosbel:





I will soon wear you and your brothers out, you have been chasing ME all over Nairaland to prove that JESUS CHRIST is not LORD, but not only have I established beyond reasonable doubt that he is, but you have so entangled yourselves in lies and disjointed statements, it is almost becoming a comedy for all to watch.

that is it.christian missionaries can only spread their lies when left alone.if not,they turn everything into comedy and offtopics.
by the time i'm done with you,whoever employed you to act as the cyber-evangelist will sack you because you will be exposed and disgraced.you claim to be in London,but i doubt if Londoners are as idle as you that you are online 24/7 only to attack muslims and provoke them with insults.you will have to run!

^^^


I am an IT consultant and the Internet is my second home, 

But seriously do you or your brother SweetNectar ever sleep. i mean you guys  spend 24x7 responding to comments and articles , no sleep or rest. I mean do you guys even work or are you busy reciting the Quran in Arabic that you do not even understand, lol. 

I am always available to debate you, but at least try and grab minimum  8 hours sleep.

Peace.

@lagoshia- the answer to your question.

Goodnews translation- John 20:9-10
( 9 They still did not understand the scripture which said that he must rise from death.)

10 Then the disciples went back home.

It was the UNDERSTANDING of his rising from the dead that the disciples were ignorant of.

Why do you think Jesus promised them the Holy Spirit? It was because even though He was with them and spoke many things to them, they still lacked understanding. If the disciples understood all the scriptures, then there wouldn't have been need for the Holy Spirit.
John16:12-14,25

God and study your koran and stop your pointless arguements.

pDude:

@lagoshia- the answer to your question.

Goodnews translation- John 20:9-10
( 9 They still did not understand the scripture which said that he must rise from death.)

10 Then the disciples went back home.

It was the UNDERSTANDING of his rising from the dead that the disciples were ignorant of.

Why do you think Jesus promised them the Holy Spirit? It was because even though He was with them and spoke many things to them, they still lacked understanding. If the disciples understood all the scriptures, then there wouldn't have been need for the Holy Spirit.
John16:12-14,25

God and study your koran and stop your pointless arguements.

LOL

will christians ever learn how to read and understand what they are reading?

Mr.Man what do you say about the below verse and many like it that contradict John 20:9:

Mark 14:28
But after that I am risen, I will go before you into Galilee.

the point is,did he tell people he will die for them and rise or not?

Shortly after the resurrection of the Lord JESUS CHRIST,
"[b]And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.[/b]" - Luke 24:15-27

"Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an a ss's colt.These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him. " -John 12:15-17
------
unless The Lord GOD opens our spiritual eyes, ears and hearts to see, hear and understand HIS holy words, though we hear and/or read, we will not understand, particularly and even unto the salvation of the soul. (“So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD.” - Rom 10:17 )

"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." - Mark 4:12

though the Lord's apostles, disciples and servants then and today did not understand some things that HE spoke / speaks, by GOD's mercy alone they understand more than those who do not belong to the Lord JESUS CHRIST

"And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand." - Luke 8:9-11
-------------
The Lord JESUS CHRIST died and rose for HIS own, paying for their sins, releasing them all from the bondage of sin, giving them eternal life, clothing them with HIS righteousness and saving them from the righteous wrath of GOD for sin.

"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." - John 10:14-16

“For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of GOD [is] eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our Lord.”  - Rom 6:23 

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12