Most religions that are non-Christian do accept the fact that if the Bible writes that Christ died on the cross, he actually did. There are a few with very apparent reasons that want to change this. Bahai’s spiritualize the meaning and in so doing change the facts. Islam denies the account so absolutely that they just chalk the whole story up to corruption and reinvent it. Ignoring the fact that these accounts are written by eyewitnesses of not only his death, but many more of his resurrection. Some of who would be classified as hostile witnesses.

Muslim Claim – They took another in his place. Everyone knew this was Jesus he was on trial in front of the Jews when they cried out to crucify him! He was then taken to be given 39 lashes (40 –1 as mercy).

When the centurion in charge determined that the prisoner is near death, the beating is finally stopped, then they are taken to crucifixion. Most did not survive the whipping. Jesus if alive, would never have allowed another to take his place when it was his mission to take ours. Only he could die in the place of sinful man. What the Muslims are saying is that this is a sham, he purposely deceived the Romans, his brethren, as well as us today. Hardly a tenable position to hold for a man called upright and sinless even in the Koran.

Muslim Claim- They broke the legs of the other two who were crucified with him, but did not do so to Jesus, because he looked as if he was dead, so instead of going through all the trouble he pierced him with a spear, and blood gushed out showing a sign of life.

Any doctor will tell you this is not sign of life. Jn.19:33-34 tells us he was thrusted by a sword after he was pronounced dead by the Roman guard who was trained in crucifixion's. If one is to be punished by this means it was unto the death, the Romans were experts at crucifixion's. It states in John 19:35"And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe." Blood and water came out from his side after. This is proven medically that he had a ruptured heart. When watery fluid from the sac surrounding the heart and blood from the interior of the heart is ruptured, fluid in the pericardium shows death, not life. Romans don’t bury live people, but dead ones. He was to them a criminal and needed to be punished by Roman law, to neglect this is disobedience to their laws and the centurion would be punished.

Muslim Claim- the sign of Jonas: Matthew 12:38-30 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth. It is not that he entered the whale's belly dead and came out of it alive; his sign was that he entered the whale's belly alive, remained there alive, and came out of there alive.

This may be the Sunday school story but not the Bibles. Jonah was very dead and resurrected. This is the point Jesus is making. Jonah 2:2 "out of the belly of Sheol" is not the whales belly because this is after 3 days. The Hebrew word for belly is different than the belly of the fish indicating two different areas. This is the place of departed spirits the only way to get there is to die. The focus of the story is not existing 3 days alive in a fish but someone coming back from the dead. This is the very point Jesus is making, he raised others and he will raise himself. This he says will be the last sign to an unbelieving Israel the sign of Jonah.

Muslim Claim -There proof from the scripture. Heb.5:7-9 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.9And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,"

To a Muslim this is proof that he did not die, because he was saved from death. But it does not mean the death of the cross, because the very same book declares Heb.2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone." Notice they use the parts of the scripture to try to prove the Christian (and bible) is wrong, but ignore the whole of Scripture and the testimony of the WHOLE New Testament Jn.12:27.

The fact is that he did die, so when would this have occurred? It points to the fact of Ps.22:19-22 and Isa.53:5 "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed." 6 "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all."7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth." The lamb slain, the Passover lamb.

Going back to He.5:7-9 "save Him from death" the Greek preposition ek out of death means he did not stay permanently in this state, he resurrected. That his "soul would not be left in Hades ", and was heard" his prayer was answered because he reverently submitted. So instead of proving the Muslims point it actually upholds someone rising from the dead. Ps 16:9-11 "Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices; my flesh also will rest in hope. For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. Peter quotes this in Acts 2:30-32 "Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,  "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.   "This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses."Thus fulfilling the Old Testament prophecy.

All through the book of Hebrews teaches about Christ and his death so the author is very much aware of this fact. Chapters 2,4,5,7, 8:3,6, 9:12,10:5-10,12,12:2,24,13:12,20. Actually I would highly recommend for a Muslim to read through the book of Hebrews as it is a commentary on Leviticus, the priesthood, tabernacle and sacrifices.

Heb.2:14 "Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil," If Jesus did not rise then the devil still has claim to everyone.

The reasoning behind their position is that the Koran denies that one person could die for another (17:13-15; 35:18). Actually, it says that no "soul laden (sinner) bears the1oad (sin) of another." Since Jesus was without sin, He certainly would be an exception. The Koran teaches that Muhammad was a sinner (9:43; 40:55;47:19; 48:2;294:1-3,) but the Koran teaches Jesus was sinless (19:17-19).

The Quran in 4:157-158. "They said in boast, 'We killed Christ Jesus the Son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah,' but they killed Him not, nor crucified Him, but so it was made to appear to them, " There are passages, that seem to declare that Christ did indeed die Sura 3:33,55; 5:117, 19:33

Was Jesus mistaken that he was to die? Was he mistaken of his resurrection? If so, not only do we throw away numerous statements in the New Testament, but the Old Testament as well. When Christian's say Muslim's do not believe the bible, this becomes the proof. Because the resurrection is the capstone of the Christian religion and if it is removed, it becomes equal to all the others, including Islam.

Lets look at the Old Testament prophecies first. Places in the Old Testament and the New Testament mention His crucifixion = if these are not true then we need to rip them out. This proves they don’t believe in the prophets. Almost all the prophets spoke of Jesus and his crucifixion. Zech.12:10,13:6 Mal.6; Isa.53 Isa.49:15

Islam does agrees with the teaching of a resurrection in the Old Testament, it is fundamental that there will be a resurrection. Isa.26:19 "Your dead shall live; together with my dead body they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; for your dew is like the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

They claim to believe all the prophets of the Bible and Jesus. Mohammed claimed to be acting as guardian of the previous revelations, requiring a belief in himself was a complete departure from all previous Old Testament prophets. No prophet in the Old Testament ever made such a requirement as this would have drawn the attention of the hearer away from God, and toward the authority of the prophet. All the prophets would point to God and the one that would come, the Messiah.

All the prophets spoke of Jesus Christ. Lets look at what many of them said.

Job 19:25-27 For I know that my Redeemer lives, and He shall stand at last on the earth; And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, that in my flesh I shall see God." Notice he says he will be resurrected in the flesh and see God.

Zech.12:10 "and they will look upon me (the word "me" is given two letters the Aleph and the Tov in Hebrew which is equal to the alpha and omega in the Greek) whom they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for his only Son."

In Acts 2:27 Peter states in v.30 "Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,31"he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.32 "This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses." All they had to do is say we know he never died nor raised, and that’s the end of his sermon. But all this makes Peter a false prophet according to Islam. What we have is that every prophet in the bible who spoke on Christ is false except the one who is not found in the bible, Mohammed.

Jesus called John the Baptist was the greatest prophet because he announced his coming John fulfilled an important role and Scripture in the Old Testament. Mal.3:1 " Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts." Malachi speaks of one that will prepare the way for the Lord. This is none other than John the Baptizer who is foretold in Isa.40:3-4 "The voice crying out in the wilderness: prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God". Clearly Isaiah is saying, God will visit them, Isa.7:14 Immanuel, Mt 1:23. V.25 tells us it is Jesus.

John introduces Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world." If John is a true prophet then Jesus did die, fulfilling the Passover lamb motif. Then they have to change the testimony of John as well. If the rest of the eye witnesses, the apostles and prophets were true he really did rise. If Jesus is a true prophet he said himself He would die and rise the third day. This is the testimony of God that a Muslim must come face to face with.

1 Pet 2:24 "who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree,  (which is his way of saying he died on the cross)

All the gospels prove that Jesus taught exactly what would happen to him.

The Jews- John 19:7 The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God." Are we to believe that the Muslims teach that he had someone else die in his place when the Jews wanted him dead. And he continued to live among them while someone else went to the cross instead.

Matt. 16:21 " From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

Matt 17:22-23 Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men, 23 "and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up." And they were exceedingly sorrowful. Matt 20:18-19

He taught this in plain language as well as in story fashion called parables Matt 21:37-39 The parable of the vineyard in which Christ explains all the messengers, prophet's He sent. "Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.'  "But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.'  "So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him."

Mark 8:31 "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again."

Mark 9:31-32 " Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day."32 (also Mark 10:33-34,14:38)

Luke 18:32-34 "For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon.33"They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again."

Luke 24:44-47 "Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. "And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, (also Lk.9:22

It was in Jn.5:39 the scriptures testify of him, not another.

John 2:19-22 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"  But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said." Muslims are found not believing the prophets words and go against the testimony of God himself who said he would raise his son.

John 12:32-33 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.  This He said, signifying by what death He would die."

Paul wrote in Acts 26:22-23 "Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing both to small and great, saying no other things than those which the prophets and Moses said would come--"that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles."

The religious leaders-Matt. 27:62-63"Now on the next day, which is the one after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate and said, 'Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I am to rise again.'"

John 21:14 "This is now the third time Jesus showed Himself to His disciples after He was raised from the dead."

Col. 1:18-20 "And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning (architect), the firstborn from the dead." Jesus is not the head of a religion but a Church who are the people that are born of Gods spirit . They are those who believe the testimony of the Scriptures.

Rom.6:3-5 " For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, to be made alive means something must die.

Phil 2:8 "And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the DEATH OF THE CROSS." It was Gods will for Christ to be crucified.  Acts 2:23" Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain."

Jesus Rev. 1:5 "and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood," This means his death was real and he is privileged to be the first raised unto eternal life in the body.

But the Koran also says he died "I was a watcher over them as long as I was present among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou has been the One to watch over them.' (Quran 5:117-118)

Surat Maryam 19-33 In reference to Jesus "Peace be upon me the day I was born and the day I die and the day I shall be raised alive." Muslim explains this away as he when he comes back he will die and then be raised. But this makes no rhyme or reason for this to be done in this time except to avoid the Bibles record.

He was put in the coldness of the tomb he then revived 3 days later and walked away?

Three days later the tomb was empty. The followers of Jesus said He had risen from the dead. They reported that He appeared to them during a period of 40 days, showing Himself to them by many "infallible proofs." Paul the apostle recounted that Jesus appeared to more than 500 of His followers at one time, the majority of whom were still alive and who could confirm what Paul wrote. So many security precautions were taken with the trial, crucifixion, burial, entombment, sealing, and guarding of Christ's tomb that it becomes very difficult for critics to defend their position that Christ did not rise from the dead.

Consider the facts: The disciples of Christ did not go off to India or Asia immediately afterwards to preach that Christ was raised from the dead. They went right back to the city of Jerusalem, where it all happened. If what they were teaching was false, It would immediately be refuted. The same people that called for his crucifixion would have all came out to deny this. If he was still alive and didn’t die they could all point to him and say "see here he is." If he did die and not rise, all they had to do is produce the body. All the testimonies would have fallen on deaf ears, but they didn’t because they couldn’t and so the truth continues to affect those who have a heart after Gods testimony. The resurrection could never have been preached in Jerusalem for a single day, they would have been laughed out of town. The emptiness of the tomb is an established fact for all that investigate the written accounts and history. Otherwise 3,000 and 5,000 would never have been converted. Another claim is that Jesus went to India after he rose. Really, then this denies even the Muslim account that he was taken to heaven would also be a lie. This would be an intentional means to deceive masses of the people, the very ones he cared and died for. This would make him and the apostles ALL false prophets. Something even a Muslim would not want to conclude.

10 of the 11 apostles died horrendous deaths for a lie! Each of the disciples faced the test of torture and martyrdom for his statements and beliefs. Are we to believe all 11 and thousands afterward died for what they know is a lie. They made it all up! Why would the disciples risk death and steal the body for what they knew was a lie. This was not part of their character. They were all hiding out scared thinking that it was over and there was no hope. The ecclesiastical leaders were seething with rage and did everything possible to prevent the spread of this message and to suppress it (Acts 4). They arrested Peter and John and beat and threatened them attempting to shut their mouths. The Jewish leaders did everything they could to suppress the message, by even arresting Peter and John beating them could not stop what they knew was true. If this was a lie, it would not be necessary. The only lie is from those who say this did not happen.

Both Jewish and Roman sources and traditions admit of an empty tomb. Resources range from Josephus a non believing Jew to a compilation of 5th-century Jewish writings called the "Toledoth Jeshu." Dr. Paul Maier calls this "positive evidence from a hostile source, which is the strongest kind of historical evidence. In essence, this means that if a source admits a fact decidedly not in its favor, then that fact is genuine."

The apostle appealed to his audience's knowledge of the fact that Christ had been seen by more than 500 people at one time. Paul reminded them that the majority of those people were still alive and could be questioned. Dr. Edwin M. Yamauchi, associate professor of history at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, emphasizes: "What gives a special authority to the list (of witnesses) as historical evidence is the reference to most of the five hundred brethren being still alive. St. Paul says in effect, 'If you do not believe me, you can ask them.' Such a statement in an admittedly genuine letter written within thirty years of the event is almost as strong evidence as one could hope to get for something that happened nearly two thousand years ago." Someone had written that if we take the more than 500 witnesses who saw Jesus alive after His death and burial, and place them in a courtroom. Do you realize that if each of those 500 people were to testify for only six minutes, including cross-examination, you would have an amazing 50 hours of firsthand testimony? Add to this the testimony of many other eyewitnesses and you would well have the largest and most lopsided trial in history.

1 Cor.15:20-21 "But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.  For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead."

The Testimony of Jesus himself Rev. 1:18 "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I AM ALIVE FOREVER MORE . Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Did Jesus tell the truth? If not then he is a false prophet

It would best for the Muslims to stop unbelieving, but believe in the prophet and all the prophets witness. Yes peace be upon him and anyone who accepts his testimony. Jesus is the Son of God he died for their sins and ours, and rose again. To fight against this is to fight against God and his testimony.

these are our proofs :

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-651811.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-551599.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-735489.0.html

also the Holy Quran simply stated that "they killed him not,neither was he crucified".

so whatever theory or explanation is supposed or put forth to explain what happened,is irrelevant.

at least we also know that the early christians differed on the issue of the alleged death of Jesus.many didnt believe in it and were persecuted by the roman catholic church which formed and layed the basis of christianity.

also the Holy Quran simply stated that "they killed him not,neither was he crucified".

But the Quran is not the word of GOD and therefore from a Christian point of view is NULL and VOID.

Have you even seen a Christian trying to use your corrupt Quran to justify Christianity ??

Never GOD FORBID, the bible stands up for itself.

frosbel:

But the Quran is not the word of GOD and therefore from a Christian point of view is NULL and VOID.

Have you even seen a Christian trying to use your corrupt Quran to justify Christianity ??

Never GOD FORBID, the bible stands up for itself.

The bible was written by men(it did not just drop from the sky) and the Quran was written by a man so what do you mean the Quran is not the word of God? If you say the Quran is not the word God then that means that the concept that the bible is the word of God is NULL and Void because it includes many opinionated texts from some of the men who wrote it.

frosbel:

But the Quran is not the word of GOD and therefore from a Christian point of view is NULL and VOID.

Have you even seen a Christian trying to use your corrupt Quran to justify Christianity ??

Never GOD FORBID, the bible stands up for itself.

how can the Holy Quran,which is the word of God justify confusion?
it is not possible!

but the bible which contains a cocktail of everything,can be used to hold the christian to account.

^^^^

My friend , I have done extensive research on the Quran and Hadiths myself and read many verses again and again.

I am dumbfounded how a sane and normal person can believe in all that nonsense.

Again you Muslims have been taught not to question what you are taught , otherwise the loving Allah will plunge you into the abyss.

Allah has a stick to beat your heads at the slightness provocation, he is a slave driver not a GOD.

By the way reminds me of Pharaoh the slave driver in the bible who beat the Jews into submission and fear, sounds like ALLAH to me.


ALLAH is false, JESUS is LORD.

Repent or PERISH !!!

Love for Jesus Christ sake.

@the above mumu

if you can think of any evil and error,it is found in the bible not in the Quran.if the por.nography,in.cest,immorality,lies,contradictions,errors,etc that is in the bible did not repulse from it,then how i'm i to believe you that you're after knowledge?

i would take an atheist more seriously when questioning the Quran than a bible follower.

^^^^

ALLAH is false, JESUS is LORD.

Stop worshiping a pagan ARAB deity, come to the real GOD.

frosbel,

you should go and end your christian civil war first.see christians fighting themselves whether Jesus was "hung from a tree" or "crucified" while yet another christian identify bible books as "forgeries":

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-735744.0.html

My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?, (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34).

Isn't this an indication that Jesus expected God to save him? If yes,this will mean he is unaware of his crucifixtion. If No then he must have lost faith, indicating the devil triumphed.

Then this would mean that the crucifixion was heartless murder not a journey to saving anyone.

^^^^


This is Muhammad's tomb , he is DEAD and BURIED.

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Now show me the tomb of JESUS with the coffin.

You cannot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Proof that Jesus is RISEN,  Muhammad is dead and awaiting judgement.

Allah is false , JESUS IS LORD.

Amen.

^^^^

, How does these address the issue that Jesus screamed My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?, (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34), it indicts the whole lie of christianity that Jesus actually died for your sins. the question Isn't this an indication that Jesus expected God to save him? If yes,this will mean he is unaware of his crucifixtion. If No then he must have lost faith, indicating the devil triumphed.

Then this would mean that the crucifixion was heartless murder not a journey to saving anyone. Jesus grave does not validate or refute his "own" statements found in Mark

@Frosbel, you know Christianity is like many other religions that worship a main God and other little gods. Christianity has God (the main one) Christ and the holy spirit but you worship Christ as your God more than the God that created Christ. This is no different from Hindus who worship smaller gods but with the main almighty at the top.

You put a man before God. .When Jesus was alive he did not worship himself but the father that made him.

@frosbel, u re very funny

This is Muhammad's tomb , he is DEAD and BURIED

who told u that prophet Muhammad (saw) is GOD,he is a messenger of GOD

My friend , I have done extensive research on the Quran and Hadiths myself and read many verses again and again.

I am dumbfounded how a sane and normal person can believe in all that nonsense.

Again you Muslims have been taught not to question what you are taught , otherwise the loving Allah will plunge you into the abyss.

Allah has a stick to beat your heads at the slightness provocation, he is a slave driver not a GOD.

By the way reminds me of Pharaoh the slave driver in the bible who beat the Jews into submission and fear, sounds like ALLAH to me.


ALLAH is false, JESUS is LORD.

Repent or PERISH !!!

what research ve u done the one's write by ur fellow Christians to tarnish the image of ISLAM
If u re a true christian and believe in what HE says, u will not backbite nor tarnish other peoples faith.
even if u re preaching,dis is not how to go about it.
what i ve to tell u is simple,ask GOD to give u understand and more faith so that when u  read the Quran and Hadiths with a pure heart u will be able to know if it is the true or not.
may GOD be with u and forgive all of us.

@ LagosShia and co

Anyway Enough said, I resign, I promise not to scare you and friends any longer, I hereby leave the forum for others to read and make their judgement.

A gentle and beloved sister lolafowowe has prompted me to back down and instead pray for you all.

Much LOVE in Christ name.

Brother FROSBEL.

N.B
Sorry I will not be replying in great detail to comments, too busy

AYA

Victim of Paul

In Acts 22:9-13, Paul, apparently speaking through Luke, gives account of the vision agan but this time says, "Those who were with me saw the light but did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking with me." The first time, they saw no light but heard a voice and this time, they saw a light but didn't hear a voice. How is it, that Paul was apparently blinded by the brightness of this light but the witnesses to the light were not?

In Acts 26:13-14, Paul's tune changes yet again as he speaks with King Agrippa. The vision is suddenly even more dramatic, including that the people with him also fell to the ground.

Acts 26:13-14- At midday, O King, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining round me and those who journeyed with me. And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language . . .

Suddenly, there is no mention of Ananias or of being blinded and also, this time, Paul claims he actually sees Jesus AND that he is instructed then and there what his so called mission is to be.

A spiritually DEAD man cannot understand the bible in the right context.

Stop bowing down to a black stone in Mecca, come to JESUS, he loves you.

^^You bow to christ instead of God. .

@frosbel,

where is Jesus?

you'd undoubtedly say he is in "heaven" and he went up.

if you dont know,let me give you a breaking news.the only place where Jesus is said to have "gone up" in the bible is in Mark chapter 16 (verses 9-20).

and even in Mark 16,all bibles relegate those verses to a footnote.from verses 9 to 20 where Jesus is described to have "ascended",the publishers of the bible clearly state:

["The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20".]

so if the most ancient accounts,do not have those verses,the question is :where did those verses come from into the latter texts of Mark chapter 16?

you can verify here by yourself:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%2016&version=NIV

regarding Muhammad (sa) being dead,he is human.even your god died acccording to you!

when God wills,all dead will rise.and Muhammad (sa) is dead just as countless prophets in the bible are also dead.

as for Jesus being "ascended",that based on the bible alone is a point of contention and can be disputed.that is the reason why Muhammad (sa) is the prophet/comforter after Jesus who glorified Jesus (as) and confirmed him.you need to read,believe in and depend on the Holy Quran for the truth and complete guidance.only the Quran clearly and unambiguiosly states that "God raised Jesus to Himself"!

the most important event in the christian belief system,the ascension of Jesus,is only recorded once in mark 16.all other books of the new testament have left it out or their authors did not witness or hear of it.even in mark 16,it is a matter of doubt as it appears as a footnote with clear words of doubt about the source of the account and its absence in more ancient manuscripts.in other words,the presence of an account of Jesus' ascension in mark 16 is questionable by its source and its presence there appears to either be the result of magic or someone added verses 9-20 by himself.

Does the Greek word stauros suggest a cross beam?
The words "cross" and "crucify" are mistranslations, a "later rendering," of the Greek words stauros and stauroo. According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, STAUROS denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake. The shape of the two-beamed cross had its origin in ancient Chaldea and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz. In the third century A.D., pagans were received into the apostate ecclesiastical system and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols.
According to The Companion Bible, crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god. The evidence is complete; the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, not on two pieces of timber placed at an angle.
According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, in the Egyptian churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life borrowed by the Christians and interpreted in the pagan manner.
According to Greek dictionaries and lexicons, the primary meaning of stauros is an upright pale, pole, or stake. The secondary meaning of "cross" is admitted to be a "later" rendering. In spite of the evidence, almost all common versions of the Scriptures persist with the Latin Vulgate's crux (meaning cross) as the rendering of the Greek stauros.
The most accepted reason for the "cross" being brought into Messianic worship is Constantine's famous vision of "the cross superimposed on the sun" in A.D. 312. What he saw is nowhere to be found in Scripture. Even after his so-called "conversion," his coins showed an even-armed cross as a symbol for the Sun-god. Many scholars have doubted the "conversion" of Constantine because of the wicked deeds that he did afterwards.
After Constantine had the "vision of the cross," he promoted another variety of the cross, the Chi-Rho or Labarum. This has been explained as representing the first letters of the name Christos (CH and R, or, in Greek, X and P). The identical symbols were found as inscriptions on rock, dating from ca. 2500 B.C., being interpreted as "a combination of the two Sun-symbols." Another proof of its pagan origin is that the identical symbol was found on a coin of Ptolemeus III from 247-222 B.C.
According to An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Traditional Symbols, the labarum was also an emblem of the Chaldean sky-god. Emperor Constantine adopted the labarum as the imperial ensign. According to Dictionary of Mythology Folklore and Symbols, the symbol was in use long before Christianity. Chi probably stood for Great Fire or Sun. Rho probably stood for Pater or Patah (Father). The word labarum yields "everlasting Father Sun."

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what you explained is actually the reason why Jehovah's witnesses do not hold any significance for the cross as a symbol of worship.the JWs believe that Jesus was killed on a stake.in other words Jesus was not "crucified" but "stakified" according to JWs.

this christian confusion again reminds me of the Quranic verse which says:

{And because of their saying: "We killed the Messiah, 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah." But they killed him not, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them so, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge; they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed him not.} [Holy Quran 4: 157]

According to three out of the four versions of the Gospel present in the Christian Bible, it is said that whilst Jesus was on the way to be crucified, the soldiers escorting him stopped a certain Jewish man who happened to be passing by named Simon of Cyrene, and made him carry the cross for Jesus.

Now, read carefully the account given in the Gospel of Matthew [Matthew 27:31-37] and note that the text actually implies the crucifixion of Simon of Cyrene and not Jesus (all Biblical quotes in this article are from the King James translation):

31: And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
32: And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
33: And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
34: They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
35: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
36: And sitting down they watched him there;
37: And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Notice that in verse 32, Simon of Cyrene is referred to, and that in all of the verses following it up to verse 37, Jesus' name is not mentioned, there is only "him" and "he". Thus implying that the word "him" in verse 35 refers to Simon of Cyrene, and not to Jesus.

The fact that they wrote a sign above his head claiming him to be Jesus only indicates that this was what they thought.

And see Mark's similar account [Mark 15:20-26]:

20: And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.
21: And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
22: And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
23: And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.
24: And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
25: And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
26: And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

These two accounts clearly imply the likelihood that Simon of Cyrene was the one crucified instead of Jesus. However, due to the belief that later came to prevail among the Christians regarding the crucifixion of Jesus, along with the confusion that they must have had in reconciling all of the contradictory accounts, it is likely that much of the other content of those gospels regarding events afterwards was doctored and distorted.

The accounts of Luke and John [Luke 23:26-43, John 19:17-27] are fairly unambiguous that Jesus was crucified, however these two accounts are considered to have been authored at a later period than those of Mark and Matthew.

The author of Luke, as is evident from certain other writings in the New Testament, was clearly an adherent of the teachings of Paul, while the identity of the author of John is controversial, although it is certain from the content of his Gospel that he held many of the complicated beliefs of the Greek philosophers and thinkers, rather than the simple Semitic monotheism that Jesus so clearly taught.

Then I found this interesting piece of information on Wikipedia:

"According to some Gnostic traditions, [b]Simon of Cyrene, by mistaken identity, suffered the events leading up to the crucifixion, and died on the cross instead of Jesus. [/b]This is the story presented in the Second Treatise of the Great Seth, although it is unclear whether Simon or another actually died on the cross, This belief is also held by many Muslims, "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_of_Cyrene

The following is the translation by Roger A. Bullard and Joseph A. Gibbons of the relevant portion of the work known as "The Second Treatise of the Great Seth" mentioned above, which is one of a collection of early Christian gnostic writings dated around the 3rd or 4th century CE that was discovered near the Egyptian town of Nag' Hammadi in 1945. The quote is attributed to Jesus:

"For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death, It was another, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I[t] was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns, And I was laughing at their ignorance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_, the_Great_Seth

And here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say in its online article on Docetism (an early Christian sect regarded as "heretical" by the later Church):

"According to Basilides, Christ seemed to men to be a man and to have performed miracles. It was not, however, Christ, who suffered but Simon of Cyrene who was constrained to carry the cross and was mistakenly crucified in Christ's stead. Simon having received Jesus' form, Jesus returned Simon's and thus stood by and laughed. Simon was crucified and Jesus returned to his father (Irenaeus, Adv. Char., 1, xxiv). According to some apocrypha it was Judas, not Simon the Cyrenean, who was thus substituted."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05070c.htm

Obviously, many of the other beliefs of the Docetists and other Gnostic sects are clear-cut kufr and deviance, however what is relevant here is the admission by the Christians themselves that there was indeed a controversy from the very earliest periods of Christianity regarding who exactly was killed on the cross.

And indeed, Allah revealed the truth of the matter in his Saying: {And because of their saying: "We killed the Messiah, 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah." But they killed him not, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them so, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge; they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed him not.} [An-Nisa': 157]

And Allah knows better.

courtesy:

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f15/but-they-killed-him-not-nor-did-16671/

In Matthew 27 : 34 in the Nov it says they offered Jesus wine to drink the king james version is unreliable and in Luke it says the made him carry the cross behind Jesus and In verse 28 Jesus told the crying woman not to cry for him you are parts of the scripture
To prove the bible is wrong you are ignoring the whole scripture I God was going to save jesus from bring crucified then why kill a innocent bystander why put this mother through, this agony carolann