@Afam

by now you should know the kind of wolves that are on this forum. They are even worse than their masters because the Nazis whom they work for know the truth yet lie. But these trained attack dogs believe their lies to be true.


I remember when I mentioned the Ibo jews on this forum. davidylan made total ridicule of the issue, meanwhile Shimon Peretz has while serving a Prime Minister has declared the originality of the Ozubulu, Nri and Eri Israelites.


Afam, forget these unpaid mercenaries.

WOW, all the insults and put downs just cause of a topic in chat ?? These are the sort of characters one tries to avoid having much to do with in the real world. For adults, I must say this back and forth is uncouth and immature.

UNBEWEABLE!!!!

Afam:
Declarations that reduce Palestinians to bare biological
life that can be extinguished without any moral doubt
are not isolated exceptions. In May, as reported by The
Jerusalem Post, Israel's former Sephardic Chief Rabbi
Mordechai Eliyahu issued a religious ruling to the prime
minister "that there was absolutely no moral prohibition
against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a
potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at
stopping the rocket launchings" (See "Top Israeli rabbis
advocate genocide," The Electronic Intifada, 31 May 2007).
I could find no statement by any prominent Israeli figure
condemning Eliyahu's ruling.

Isreal only makes all this noise because the Arabs and the Persians are not united against their #1 enemy.

Afam:
The latest Israeli government declaration comes as
Palestinians this week marked the 25th anniversary of the
massacres in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Beirut, in
which the Israeli occupation army and political leadership
were full participants. We can reflect that Israel's
dehumanization of Palestinians and other Arabs, its near
daily killing of children, destruction of communities and
racist apartheid against millions of people has been so
normalized that if those massacres occurred today Israel
would not need to go through the elaborate exercise of
denying its culpability. Indeed, the "international
community" might barely notice.

So sad but so true!

@Afam, thanks for bringing up the issue of the Palestinians.

You simply need to read what these hypocrites type here, shocking is putting it mildly!

Here is what RichyBlack says is sad but true:

In May, as reported by The Jerusalem Post, Israel's former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu issued a religious ruling to the prime minister "that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings"

Unfortunately while Mr. Richy is crying loudly over the Isreali ruling that admits that the indiscriminate killing of palestinian civilians cannot be avoided in the bid to rid Gaza of militants, he forgets or presumes to sweep under the carpet the clear fact that the Gaza offensive is AIMED AT STOPPING THE INDISCRIMINATE LAUNCHING OF ROCKETS INTO NORTHERN ISREAL ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.

Mr. richy and his fellow band of hypocrites forget that those rockets are primarily targeted at the indiscriminate killing of Jewish civilians such as kindergarten children and hospital patients.

Such warped logic!

denex:

So now, are the Israelis and Europeans persecuting the arabs or not as I mentioned. And if they are, and you know they are, why were you asking me such an unconnected question than in an attempt to employ your tactics?


Now, the instances I gave of arab persecution, are they valid or not? Why are you then reeling out tales that have nothing to do with the answers which you asked?


I came in here to let everyone know that the persecution of the arabs is a European agenda carried on by these Aske-NAZI is nothing different from the agelong persecution of real jews by Europeans all through the centuries.

this man is nothing but a retarded tool For the last 2 pages all we asked is ONE (1) instance of Isreali/European persecution of the arabs, he is yet to give us one and yet he continues mouthing the same propaganda he cannot prove.

when he finally decided to save face by giving ONE (1) instance here is what he could come up with:

All this is just an attempt to divert attention from your stupidity but I'll give you an example in Europe where dresscodes are imposed on arab women and arab men are arrested arbitrarily under the guise of terrorism.

As for Israel persecution of arabs I may give you a daily example of the blockade of Gaza.

Is this lying lunatic for real?
From someone who yells loudly about "truth", such a shame.

davidylan:

You simply need to read what these hypocrites type here, shocking is putting it mildly!

Here is what RichyBlack says is sad but true:

In May, as reported by The Jerusalem Post, Israel's former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu issued a religious ruling to the prime minister "that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings"

Unfortunately while Mr. Richy is crying loudly over the Isreali ruling that admits that the indiscriminate killing of palestinian civilians cannot be avoided in the bid to rid Gaza of militants, he forgets or presumes to sweep under the carpet the clear fact that the Gaza offensive is AIMED AT STOPPING THE INDISCRIMINATE LAUNCHING OF ROCKETS INTO NORTHERN ISREAL ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.

Mr. richy and his fellow band of hypocrites forget that those rockets are primarily targeted at the indiscriminate killing of Jewish civilians such as kindergarten children and hospital patients.

Such warped logic!

@davidylan,
I know you'll defend the Zionists to the bitter end, but let's not go down the road of name-calling. Let's try to make our points logically and not based on fervor. Your position is clear - you support Israel's right to exist at any cost. My position is that Israel should be held accountable for all the atrocities - including assassinations, cold-blooded murders, torture, massacres, etc., that it has committed, and planning to commit.

You give your points and I give mine - no name-calling. You make some sensible points - I learn. I make some sensible points - you learn. You find flaws in my logic, I poke big holes in yours . So, chill and continue the debate.

RichyBlacK:

@davidylan,
I know you'll defend the Zionists to the bitter end, but let's not go down the road of name-calling. Let's try to make our points logically and not based on fervor. Your position is clear - you support Israel's right to exist at any cost. My position is that Israel should be held accountable for all the atrocities - including assassinations, cold-blooded murders, torture, massacres, etc., that it has committed, and planning to commit.

You give your points and I give mine - no name-calling. You make some sensible points - I learn. I make some sensible points - you learn. You find flaws in my logic, I poke big holes in yours . So, chill and continue the debate.

Your point on name calling is well noted. Appologies.

Back to issues, can you please point out just ONE (1) of the "many attrocities, assassinations, cold-blooded murders, torture, massacres" that are attributable to Isreal?

Please do ensure when you respond that you are ABSOLUTELY sure that your arab brothers on whose behalf you have chosen to cry are not guilty of the same offence. I cant wait to read the many examples i am sure you have at your fingertips.

davidylan:

You simply need to read what these hypocrites type here, shocking is putting it mildly!

Here is what RichyBlack says is sad but true:

In May, as reported by The Jerusalem Post, Israel's former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu issued a religious ruling to the prime minister "that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings"

Unfortunately while Mr. Richy is crying loudly over the Isreali ruling that admits that the indiscriminate killing of palestinian civilians cannot be avoided in the bid to rid Gaza of militants, he forgets or presumes to sweep under the carpet the clear fact that the Gaza offensive is AIMED AT STOPPING THE INDISCRIMINATE LAUNCHING OF ROCKETS INTO NORTHERN ISREAL ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.

Mr. richy and his fellow band of hypocrites forget that those rockets are primarily targeted at the indiscriminate killing of Jewish civilians such as kindergarten children and hospital patients.

Such warped logic!

@davidylan,
Palestinian action -> "rocket launchings" by a rebel fighters, fighting for the liberation of the occupied territories.
Israeli action (in the works) -> "indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza"

The problem is that you fail to see the disproportionality between these two actions. What is the effect of the rocket launches - how much casualty? What would be the effect of the Israeli action? How many innocent Palestinian civilians will be killed?

Can you produce any evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by these sporadic rocket launches, that started earlier this year?

However, an Israeli incursion into Gaza is guaranteed to take many civilian lives.

RichyBlacK:

@davidylan,
Palestinian action -> "rocket launchings" by a rebel fighters, fighting for the liberation of the occupied territories.
Israeli action (in the works) -> "indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza"

The problem is that you fail to see the disproportionality between these two actions. What is the effect of the rocket launches - how much casualty? What would be the effect of the Israeli action? How many innocent Palestinian civilians will be killed?

Can you produce any evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by these sporadic rocket launches, that started earlier this year?

However, an Israeli incursion into Gaza is guaranteed to take many civilian lives.

Apologies accepted.

I have 77 for you here http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

I'm also waiting for evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by any of the much hyped-about rocket launches into Israel.

davidylan:


Back to issues, can you please point out just ONE (1) of the "many attrocities, assassinations, cold-blooded murders, torture, massacres" that are attributable to Isreal?

More Israeli atrocities:

The following is a list of massacres committed by Israel against Palestinians. The list is by no means exhaustive. The list contains only the events that took place until 1993, but they reflect the nature of the Zionist occupation of Palestine and show that massacres and expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state free of Palestinians:

• Yehida: Dec. 13, 1947: Men of the Arab village of Yehida (near Petah Tekva, the first Zionist settlement to be established) met at the local coffee house when they saw a British Army patrol enter the village, they were reassured especially that Jewish terrorists had murdered 12 Palestinians the previous day. The four cars stopped in front of the cafe house and out stepped men dressed in khaki uniforms and steel helmets. However, it soon became apparent that they had not come to protect the villagers. With machine guns they sprayed bullets into the crowd gathered in the coffee house. Some of the invaders placed bombs next to Arab homes while other disguised terrorists tossed grenades at civilians. For a while it seemed as if the villagers would be annihilated but soon a real British patrol arrived to foil the well organized killing raid. The death toll of 7 Arab civilians could have been much higher. Earlier the same day 6 Arabs were killed and 23 wounded when home made bombs were tossed at a crowd of Arabs standing near the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem. In Jaffa another bomb killed six more Arabs and injured 40.

• Khisas: Dec. 18, 1947: Two carloads of Haganah terrorists drove through the village of Khisas (on the Lebanese Syrian border) firing machine guns and throwing grenades. 10 Arab civilians were killed in the raid.

• Qazaza: Dec. 19, 1947: 5 Arab children were murdered when Jewish terrorists blew up the house of the village mukhtar (governor).

• Al-Sheikh village: Jan. 1, 1948: On that night around two hundred Zionists armed with hand grenades and machine guns sneaked into a small village called Al-Shaikh village (5km South East of Haifa). The attackers came through the southern hills (most possibly from Nisher Jewish settlement which lies about 5 Kilometers south of the village). They attacked the houses on the edges of the village with hand-grenades and finished off with machine-guns killing around 40 of the Palestinians inhabitants of the village, mostly women and children.

• Deir Yassin: April 9-10, 1948: The massacre that became the symbol of Zionist aggression for the Palestinians as well as Zionist treachery. The mukhtar of the village had agreed with the Zionists to provide information on the movement of strangers in the area as well as other intelligence provided their village is spared. The Zionists were not to keep their side of the promise. In an operation, which was called Operation Unity, the Haganah co-operated with the Irgun and the Stern Gang is this operation. At 4:30 am on Friday April 9th 1948 surrounded the village, which was overlooked by two Jewish settlements, Givat Shaul and Montefiore. For two days Zionist terrorists killed men women and children, raped women and stole their jewelry. A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself — the mopping up as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the mopping up- had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives. Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cutoff. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops knew of the massacre while it was going on, however, no one intervened to stop it.

• Naser Al-Din: April 13-14, 1948, a contingent of Lehi and Irgon entered this village (near Tiberias) entered the village on the night of 13 April dressed as Arab fighters. Upon their entrance to the village the people went out to greet them, the terrorists met them with fire, killing every single one of them. Only 40 people survived. All the houses of the village were raised to the ground.

• Beit Daras: May 21, 1948, after a number of failed attempts to occupy this village, the Zionists mobilized a large contingent and surrounded the village. The people of Beit Daras decided that women and children should leave. As women and children left the village they were met by the Zionist army who massacred them despite the fact that they could see they were women and children fleeing the fighting.

• The Dahmash Mosque: July 11, 1948, after the Israeli 89th Commando Battalion lead by Moshe Dayan occupied Lydda, the Israelis told Arabs through loudspeakers that if they went into a certain mosque they would be safe. In retaliation for a hand grenade attack after the surrender that killed several Israeli soldiers, 80-100 Palestinians were massacred in the mosque, their bodies lay decomposing for 10 days in the mid-summer heat. The mosque still stands abandoned today. This massacre spread fear and panic among the Arab population of Lydda and Ramle, who were then ordered to march out of these towns after they were stripped of all personal belonging by Israeli soldiers. Yetzak Rabin, Brigade Commander then says: “There was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning shots in order to make the inhabitants march ten to fifteen miles to the point where they met up with the legion.” Most of the 60,000 inhabitants of Lyda and Ramble came to refugee camps near Ramallah, around 350 lost their lives on the way through dehydration and son stroke. Many survived by drinking their own urine. The conditions in the refugee camps were to claim more lives.

• Dawayma: Oct. 29, 1948, the following is the testimony of a soldier who participated in the occupation of the village of Dawayma (in the Haifa sub district): “They killed between 80 to 100 Arab men women and children. To kill children they fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one home left without corpses , One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a building he was about to blow up, Another soldier prided himself on having raped an Arab women before shooting her to death.” The massacre was perpetrated by the 89th Battalion, the authors of Lydda massacre.

• Sharafat: Feb. 7, 1951, Israeli soldiers crossed the armistice line to this village (5 Kilometer from Jerusalem) and blew up the houses of the mukhtar and his neighbors. 10 were killed (2 elderly men, 3 women and 5 children) and 8 were wounded.

• Kibya: Oct. 14, 1953, 9:30 PM about 700 regular Israeli troops attacked the border Jordanian village of Kibya, north west of Jerusalem. Using mortars, machine guns, rifles and explosives they blew up 42 houses, the local schools and the mosque. Every man woman and child found by these criminals was killed. 75 innocent villagers were murdered in cold blood. The raids were ordered by Ariel Sharon.

• Kafr Qasem: Oct. 29, 1956 Israeli frontier guards started at 4pm what they called a tour of the Triangle Villages. They told the mukhtars of those villages that the curfew from that day onwards was to start from 5pm instead of 6pm. They reached Kafr Qasem around 4:45 and informed the mukhtar protested that there are about 400 villagers working outside the village and there is not enough time to inform them of the new times. An officer assured him that they will be taken care of. Then the guards waited at the entrance to the village 43 Kafr Qasem inhabitants were massacred in cold blood by the army as they returned from work, their crime was violating a curfew they did not know about. On the northern entrance of the village 3 were killed and 2 were killed inside of the village. Amongst the dead were men, women, and children. Lutanat Danhan was touring the area in his jeep reporting the massacre, on his wireless he said, “minus 15 Arabs”; after a while his message on the radio to his H.Q. was, “It is difficult to count”.

• Al-Sammou’: Nov. 13, 1966, Israeli forces raided this village, destroyed 125 houses, the village clinic and school as well as 15 houses in a neighboring village. 18 people were killed and 54 wounded.

• The Sabra and Shatila: Sept. 15-18, 1982, after the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Phalangist puppets of the Israelis massacred over 3000 Palestinian men, women and children under the watchful eyes of the Israeli army. A body count by the International committee of the Red Cross revealed 2750 dead, the real figure is thought to be much higher and may never be known.

• Oyon Qara (Rishon Lezion): May 20 1990, an Israeli soldier lined up Palestinian labors and murdered seven of them with a sub-machine gun. 13 Palestinians were killed by Israeli Forces in subsequent demonstrations at the massacre.

• Al-Aqsa Mosque: Oct. 8, 1990, Israeli police opened fire on worshipers in Al-Aqsa Mosque killing 22 people.

• The Ibrahimi Mosque: Feb. 25, 1994, A Jewish terrorist, from Keryat Arba’ settlement massacred 60 worshipers in the Ibrahimi Mosque in Al-Khalil(Hebron) and wounded about 200. Later massive demonstrations took to the streets of Palestine and the Zionist army responded by life ammunitions killing 23 and wounding hundreds more. Reports indicate there were 3 Jewish settler gunners, not only one.

• The Jabalia: March 28, 1994, A Jewish undercover police opened fire on Palestinian activists brutally killing 6 and injuring 49. Some of the wounded activists were taken out of their cars and shot in their heads to death.

• Eretz Checkpoint: July 17, 1994, Palestinian sources reported that the occupation forces had committed Sunday morning a disgusting massacre against Palestinian workers at Eretz Checkpoint. Eyewitnesses and Israeli sources reported that 11 Palestinians have been shot dead and 200 injured. Israeli sources also reported that 21 Israeli soldiers including 1 settler were injured. Two soldiers were shot by bullets, one died. As reported by Palestinian and Israeli sources, the scene was described as a war zone which lasted for 6 hours. Four Israeli tanks and helicopters were brought by the occupation forces, while number of settlers were taken part firing at Palestinians. Protest had spread all over the Occupied Territories. In Gaza, Palestinians raised black flags and called for revenge. In Ramallah, shops closed while several clashes were reported. Several clashes were reported at Hebron University, and two Palestinians were shot in Hebron. These are just some of the massacres committed against the Palestinians by the Zionists. If the raids on southern Lebanon old and new were to be taken account the true magnitude of Zionist crimes against humanity could start to emerge. If one were to go into the gruesome details of the atrocities committed in 1948 the — mopping up operations —, the deliberate humiliation and massacre of Arabs and the desecration of the holy places of both Muslim and Christian as well as the looting of these holy places and personal property by the Israeli Army and settlers; one might just start to appreciate what Zionism is all about.

“Destroy all of the land; beat down their pillars and break their statues and waste all of their high places, cleansing the land and dwelling in it, for I have given it to you for a possession”; (Joshua 33:52:53); “And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both men and women, young and old and ox and sheep and ##### with the edge of the sword.” (Joshua 6:21)

(Source: Palestine Times, March 1993)
http://www.myiwc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1445

Richyblack, i appologise afforehand that my responses might be a bit heated.

RichyBlacK:

@davidylan,
Palestinian action -> "rocket launchings" by a rebel fighters, fighting for the liberation of the occupied territories.
Israeli action (in the works) -> "indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza"

Read this over again Mr Richy, even to a 5 yr old IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. Who are these palestinian rebel fighters? Why did they wait till 1964 (16 years after Isreal declared itself a state) before they decided to fight for the liberation of the "occupied territories"?
Where these same territories not occupied by Jordan and Egypt between 1948 and 1967? Why did the PLO wait till 1988 before deciding that the territories that Isreal won in a fair war of 1967 against Jordan and Egypt where now "occupied territories" belonging to them?

Jordan is 80% of ancient palestine, Jordan has NEVER existed before 1922, why are the palestinians only interested in Isreal?

- Since the rocket launchings are by "rebel fighters" does that make it perfectly appropriate to lob rockets are 5yr old children in kindergarten schools, ambulances and hospitals?

RichyBlacK:

The problem is that you fail to see the disproportionality between these two actions. What is the effect of the rocket launches - how much casualty? What would be the effect of the Israeli action? How many innocent Palestinian civilians will be killed?

The problem is that people like you are too blinded by bias that you all hug the "disproportionality" trifle as an excuse to demand that Isreal fold its arms and watch its citizens being killed off by "rebel fighters". This kind of statements only come from those who are 1000 miles away from Sderot (residents of whom have had to make do with bomb shelters for the last decade!).

These "rebel fighters" dress in purdah like women, fire rockets from mosques and market squares and quickly claim "disproportional response" anytime Isreal retaliates knowing that gullible people like you will be quick to blame Isreal as usual.

RichyBlacK:

Can you produce any evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by these sporadic rocket launches, that started earlier this year?

This was not even worth a reply. Perhaps the reason very few Isrealis have been killed from your "sporadic rocket launches" (more than 1500 in the last few months) that have been going on for more than 6 years (not the earlier this yr you erroneously mention) is because they have had to live by bomb drills and make bomb shelters their second home. Of course the palestinians do no such thing for their own "innocent civilians", the more citizens that are at risk to retaliating Isreali bombs the better to use as a publicity stunt.

When are you going to condemn the indiscriminate rocket launches? When thousands of Isrealis start dying?

RichyBlacK:

However, an Israeli incursion into Gaza is guaranteed to take many civilian lives.

What then should Isreal do? Sit perfectly still like a waiting duck as bombs rain down on northern Isreal? but for the fact that the IDF where smart enough to take the Golan heights back from Syria, they probably would have ceased to exist ages ago.

Mr. Richyblack, it takes a lot of my self restraint for me not to label you ignorant and unreasonable. Would you sit still in Lagos and watch the Camerounian army lob rockets into Portharcourt and challenge your government to do nothing since only very few people have been killed and to respond will lead to "disproportionate" killing of camerounians?

When will Isreal be allowed to protect its citizens, a right that every other sovereign nation takes for granted? When will Isreal's response be deemed "proportionate"? When she starts lobbing katyusha rockets at Palestinian hospitals and kindergarten schools?

RichyBlacK:

I'm also waiting for evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by any of the much hyped-about rocket launches into Israel.

Not even hezbollah or hamas has been this untruthful . . . such a shame!

Mr Richy, i notice that of all the so-called attrocities you list - only 4 happened between 1990 -1994! You mean in the last 13 yrs there have been NO recorded Isreali "assassinations, murders" e.t.c.?
you also list a few dating as far back as 1947 -1951, a period when Isreal was still at war fighting for her very survival surrounded by the entire Arab war machine backed by Russian military technology?

Pls sir, try and be more objective when you make reports. You give a spurious website that cannot be verified as a source of Isreali attrocities, documented evidence reveal that most of these so-called pictures are mere photo-ops and propaganda tools that are being used to decieve the blind, the biased and the anti-semitic.

Sir, can you objectively tell us that the Arabs have been completely innocent since 1947? Arab countries surrounded and invaded Isreal in 1948, 1967, 1973 . . . and you sit down pretending to know anything about the middle east?

RichyBlacK:

Apologies accepted.

I have 77 for you here http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

I'm also waiting for evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by any of the much hyped-about rocket launches into Israel.

@RichyBlack,

You are definitely wasting your time if you think davidylan uses his head, he thinks with his left hand, empty, confused yet arrogant goat.

You may have to give him some time for him to finish with his education as he is currently in school wasting other people's money.

The link you posted tells a chilling story and the funny thing is that the website is not owned by a Palestinian but by an American otherwise they would have called this arab propaganda.

The boy davidylan is forever cursed so do not take him serious. He is ready to be wrong from now till next year and it won't affect him, lies and misinformation are second nature to him, he is utterly disgusting and intellectually bankrupt.

Gradually, faced with facts and evidence he is criminally shifting the argument to look like it is not the Israelis alone, who is changing the goal post, who benefits from the lies?

RichyBlack, leave this dog alone.

One thing must be said, at least people like Richyblack were knowledgeable to come up with questionable "facts" spiced with quite a few untruths such as claiming that the khatyusha rockets from Gaza only started this yr. Same cannot be said for you Afam, besides your first post from your "inbox" and the usual retinue of insults and garbage . . . what else have you contributed in terms of a real debate?

Afam:

The link you posted tells a chilling story and the funny thing is that the website is not owned by a Palestinian but by an American otherwise they would have called this arab propaganda.

The usual daft response, you merely saw the name "Hal Turner" and you suddenly think he must be American? Does it occur to you that he could be British, New Zealander, Australian, Canadian or even an arab masquerading with a false name?

Afam:

The boy davidylan is forever cursed so do not take him serious. He is ready to be wrong from now till next year and it won't affect him, lies and misinformation are second nature to him, he is utterly disgusting and intellectually bankrupt.

lol if only you knew that i was immune to your inane rants. I dont blame you, its your parents who take the blame for turning out such a dullard like you.

Afam:

Gradually, faced with facts and evidence he is criminally shifting the argument to look like it is not the Israelis alone, who is changing the goal post, who benefits from the lies?

lol what facts? you did not even know palestinians were being killed in Iraq until it was pointed out to you, RichyBlack has a very poor knowledge of middle east history, claims rockets were only fired into Isreal starting from this yr and has NO idea that hundreds of Isrealis have been killed by khatyusha rockets in the last 6 yrs. Heck he doesnt even know that there is a museum devoted to the shrapnel from khatyusha rockets in Sderot.

And you talk of "facts and evidence"? Something must be very wrong with you upstairs.

Afam:

The link you posted tells a chilling story and the funny thing is that the website is not owned by a Palestinian but by an American otherwise they would have called this arab propaganda.

Turner became a radio talk show host himself, purchasing a time slot on a shortwave radio station called WBCQ, over which he broadcast for approximately four years. He gave up this show, he has said, after seeing Mel Gibson's film Passion of the Christ, stating that the station was owned by a Jew and he "would no longer do business with Jews".

In response to an October 7, 2005 assault against a white student by a black student at Kingston, NY High School, Turner, working with a neo-Nazi group called the National Vanguard, organized a rally which he ironically called a "rally against violence".

The National Vanguard promoted the rally in the Kingston area by distributing a swastika-festooned laminated card bearing the words: "Got Jews? Got problems!"

Turner is well known in the US as a white supremacist, and this is the kind of person Afam and Richyblack expect us to take seriously as objective and unbiased? The level of stupidity on this thread is amazing.

And the boy is already dancing naked in the market square. Interesting times ahead.

@Davidylan,

I told you before that I do not believe in free education. Rather than thank you for the lessons in history you are providing for them free of charge, they would rather believe in unverified information "from my inbox" which lacks any iota of scholarship.

Tayo-D:

@Davidylan,

I told you before that I do not believe in free education. Rather than thank you for the lessons in history you are providing for them free of charge, they would rather believe in unverified information "from my inbox" which lacks any iota of scholarship.

Oga Tayo, you have more than hit the nail on the head. Its so hard to watch and let myopic empty heads run around pretending they know something when they dont even know the history of the very compound they live in.

I will take a break until the next idiot comes with more untruths.

davidylan:


Turner is well known in the US as a white supremacist, and this is the kind of person Afam and Richyblack expect us to take seriously as objective and unbiased? The level of stupidity on this thread is amazing.

They woefully fail to see the irony in piggybacking on the views of White Supremacists .Tornadoz did the same a few months ago.

What they fail to realise is that anti-semitism is all part of a greater malaise that threatens Black people also.I cannot understand why purpotedly educated Black people seem so smitten by the propaganda of White Supremacists.

This is what lawyers call consensus ad idem-Both Hamas and Fatah each agree that both are worse than the Israelis

Economist:
The Palestinian Authority (PA) has been locking up suspected Hamas members and sympathisers all over the West Bank since June, when Hamas routed the secular Fatah's forces in Gaza after months of factional strife. Yusri Maswadeh says he was suspended by his wrists, tied behind him, from window bars for hours—“worse than with the Israelis”. Fayyad Aghbar, a former head of the Awqaf (the Muslim authorities) in Nablus, the West Bank's biggest town, was not tortured but describes a fellow prisoner who was forced to kneel with his hands tied and was hit if he sat back on his haunches. Again, it was “worse than the Israelis”.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9912432

From the UK Independent:
Asked a routine question about the 2006 Palestinian elections yesterday, Khaled abu Ahmed slipped off his sandal and used it to beat his head several times to demonstrate his remorse for voting Hamas. "We wanted change and reform," he said. "We thought they would bring prosperity. , We have been occupied by the Turks, the British, and the Egyptians," he added, his voice rising rapidly. "We were occupied by Fatah and now we are occupied by Hamas. And the best of these occupations was by the Jews."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article3024752.ece

I'm posting this to make a point:

Israel retaliates against rocket attacks, kills 6 in Gaza
Story Highlights
• NEW: Death toll rises to 6 as Israel reacts to rocket attacks
• Airstrikes come as fighting between Fatah, Hamas continues
• Internal fighting has killed at least 40 Palestinians since Sunday
• Three rockets land in Sderot, Israel, one hitting a school

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Israeli airstrikes -- targeting Hamas in retaliation for dozens of Qassam rockets fired from Gaza into Israel in the past four days -- killed at least six Palestinians on Thursday, Palestinian security sources said.

The airstrikes angered Palestinian officials, who accused the Israelis of taking advantage of violence between the Hamas and Fatah factions. That violence continued Thursday despite a fourth attempt at a cease-fire Wednesday evening.

"Israel has decided to escalate this, and this could lead to disaster," Palestinian Information Minister Mustapha Barghouti said. ", We have no peace partner."

Three Qassam rockets fell Thursday morning in the Israeli town of Sderot. One struck a school and slightly wounded one person, Israeli officials said. (Watch Israelis leave on buses after attackVideo)

Since Monday, as many as 80 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel, an Israel Defense Forces spokeswoman said. More than two dozen rockets rained down Wednesday, wounding at least 17 people, Israeli authorities said.

The Israelis said they targeted the compound of Hamas' executive force -- the movement's elite military wing -- in Gaza City, a car believed to be carrying Hamas operatives with weapons also in Gaza City, a Hamas post in northern Gaza City and a Hamas post in Rafah near the border with Egypt. (Watch Palestinian guards control traffic on a busy Gaza City streetVideo)

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni warned Thursday that the Hamas actions would have consequences.

"A message should be conveyed to the Palestinians whereby terror has a price: The Palestinian government is the one responsible for the aggressive actions. It bears responsibility and they choose not to control it," she said.

Miri Eisen, spokeswoman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said Israel had "had enough" of the cross-border violence.

"Israel will take every defensive measure to stop these rocket attacks," she said. "We will defend our citizens against the rockets, against the weapons, against the Iranian-backed Hamas who are attacking Israel."

An official from the Izzedine Al Qassam brigades, Hamas' military wing, said the Palestinian people have the right to defend themselves against "Israeli crimes" in any way they see fit, threatening possible suicide attacks.

An Israeli security source said Israeli forces have "more strategic targets" they can hit.

"We want to show the terrorists we know where they are," the source said.

In addition, the Israel Defense Force said it sent an additional small group of tanks to join the force already in place near the border of Gaza, and a very limited Israeli force was inside Gaza near the northern section of the border.

Meanwhile, internal Palestinian violence flared again Thursday during a funeral for some of the 19 Palestinians killed during Wednesday's violence. One person was killed when clashes broke out, Palestinian security forces said.

The clashes between Hamas and Fatah have killed more than 40 people since Sunday.

In Washington, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Olmert and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday to get their views on the latest violence, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

"We want to see a reduction in the violence and restraint on both sides," McCormack said.

"We understand the Israeli government has a right to defend itself," he said. But, McCormack added, "We have also urged them to consider the consequences of their actions in defending themselves -- on Palestinian infrastructure, as well as on , the prospects for moving forward the political process."

The Palestinian government is struggling to quell the latest round of fighting, which has highlighted the weaknesses of the Hamas-Fatah unity government formed earlier this year. Abbas canceled a planned trip to Gaza Thursday because of the violence, his office said.

CNN's Ben Wedeman, Nidal Rafa, Michal Zippori and Shira Medding contributed to this report.

RichyBlacK:

I'm posting this to make a point:

Israel retaliates against rocket attacks, kills 6 in Gaza
Story Highlights
• NEW: Death toll rises to 6 as Israel reacts to rocket attacks
• Airstrikes come as fighting between Fatah, Hamas continues
• Internal fighting has killed at least 40 Palestinians since Sunday
• Three rockets land in Sderot, Israel, one hitting a school


Since Monday, as many as 80 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel, an Israel Defense Forces spokeswoman said. More than two dozen rockets rained down Wednesday, wounding at least 17 people, Israeli authorities said.

@davidylan,
When you read a statement like this, it does not mean that rockets were first fired only "Since Monday". In citing a scenario, one can choose a time frame to start the discussion. Or do you find this statement confusing?

RichyBlacK:


Can you produce any evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by these sporadic rocket launches, that started earlier this year?

Clearly, rockets have not been raining on Israel daily. There has been lull and intense periods. Of course I know rockets have been fired into Israel before this year, but I deliberately chose a time period in framing my question to you. A question you have conveniently avoided in your ridiculous and blind bias in support of a doomed Zionist agenda.

The question again, modified so as to be digestible by you:

Can you produce any evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by these sporadic rocket launches this year?

@RichyBlack

What precise point where you making in the news article you posted? Are we to presume that the retaliatory strikes by Israel killed 6 innocent civilians? You seem to imply,lack of evidence notwithstanding,that the 6 dead may be innocent civilians.

davidylan:

Turner became a radio talk show host himself, purchasing a time slot on a shortwave radio station called WBCQ, over which he broadcast for approximately four years. He gave up this show, he has said, after seeing Mel Gibson's film Passion of the Christ, stating that the station was owned by a Jew and he "would no longer do business with Jews".

In response to an October 7, 2005 assault against a white student by a black student at Kingston, NY High School, Turner, working with a neo-Nazi group called the National Vanguard, organized a rally which he ironically called a "rally against violence".

The National Vanguard promoted the rally in the Kingston area by distributing a swastika-festooned laminated card bearing the words: "Got Jews? Got problems!"

Turner is well known in the US as a white supremacist, and this is the kind of person Afam and Richyblack expect us to take seriously as objective and unbiased? The level of stupidity on this thread is amazing.

Do us a favor and put a link there (if any).

I-man:

@RichyBlack

What precise point where you making in the news article you posted? Are we to presume that the retaliatory strikes by Israel killed 6 innocent civilians? You seem to imply,lack of evidence notwithstanding,that the 6 dead may be innocent civilians.

My point is that davidylan does not understand many concepts, especially that of "temporal framing". I asked him a question (still avoiding it) and put a time frame on it. He then concludes, erroneously, that I'm assuming the event of interest (rocket launches into Israel) were limited by the time frame in my question. This is how kindergartens reasons in grade school. I don't expect an adult to be ignorant of such a simple concept. That article clearly stated "Since Monday". The author was utilizing temporal framing to narrate an event. People like davidylan need concepts to be broken down into little piece before they can chew them.

RichyBlacK:

@davidylan,
When you read a statement like this, it does not mean that rockets were first fired only "Since Monday". In citing a scenario, one can choose a time frame to start the discussion. Or do you find this statement confusing?

Keep playing musical chairs with the facts staring you in the face. As at 2006, it is estimated that at least 20 rockets fall on Sderot a day. Qassam rockets, a more sophisticated version of the Katyusha rockets have been raining on Sderot since 2002, a much shorter period than the katyusha. These are not mere stories, they are a google search away.

RichyBlacK:

Clearly, rockets have not been raining on Israel daily.

Maybe the people of Sderot have been dreaming or its mangoes that rain on them daily.

RichyBlacK:

Of course I know rockets have been fired into Israel before this year, but I deliberately chose a time period in framing my question to you. A question you have conveniently avoided in your ridiculous and blind bias in support of a doomed Zionist agenda.

The question again, modified so as to be digestible by you:

Can you produce any evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by these sporadic rocket launches this year?

lol you asked for 1, i'll give you a lot more than 1.

Gaza Rocket Attack Kills an Israeli
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, May 22, 2007; Page A10

JERUSALEM, May 21 -- Palestinian rocket fire from the Gaza Strip killed a 32-year-old Israeli woman Monday night and seriously wounded another civilian in the city of Sderot, prompting Israeli officials to threaten severe reprisals. It was the first Israeli fatality of the most recent surge in violence.

Woman killed, two wounded in Qassam rocket strike on Sderot
Last update - 02:34 22/05/2007    

A 35-year-old woman was killed and two others wounded Monday evening when a Qassam rocket struck a car in the western Negev town of Sderot.

The woman, Shir-El Friedman, was standing next to the car at the time of the strike and was taken to Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon. Hospital spokeswoman Lea Malul said she died on the way to the hospital.

[url=http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708695334&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull]A man of courage[/url]

Oshri Oz, a 36-year-old Hod Hasharon resident, was killed on Sunday morning when a Kassam rocket landed near his car in Sderot. Oz was the 10th Israeli to be killed in rocket barrages from the Gaza Strip.
The Kassam that ended Oz's life landed 30 centimeters from his vehicle, spraying him with shrapnel and fatally wounding him. Oz then lost control of the car and crashed into a wall.

With severe injuries to his chest and neck, Oz managed to get out of the car and take a few steps before collapsing on the road. Within a minute of the attack, Magen David Adom paramedics arrived to evacuate Oz to Ashkelon's Barzilai Medical Center, where he died.

Back to my earlier argument, i'm sure the Isrealis should be eternally grateful to the terrorists for their gifts of Qassam and Katyusha rockets (that you mischievously refer to as "sporadic attacks".

@davidylan,

I'm waiting for your response to my question.

RichyBlacK:

Do us a favor and put a link there (if any).

And you were the one who desperately put up a spurious website from a man you dont know? Even a 5yr old here knows who Hal Turner is, asking me to put up a link to help ignorant folks like you is like asking me to produce a link to prove that George Bush was once governor of Texas. Dont be quick to reference people you dont know.

RichyBlacK:

My point is that davidylan does not understand many concepts, especially that of "temporal framing". I asked him a question (still avoiding it) and put a time frame on it. He then concludes, erroneously, that I'm assuming the event of interest (rocket launches into Israel) were limited by the time frame in my question. This is how kindergartens reasons in grade school. I don't expect an adult to be ignorant of such a simple concept. That article clearly stated "Since Monday". The author was utilizing temporal framing to narrate an event. People like davidylan need concepts to be broken down into little piece before they can chew them.

lol your just as daft as the others, we are talking about real life events, terrorist attacks, daily rocket attacks and you are talking of "temporal framing". . . Please tell that to the people of Sderot, maybe that will reduce their pain since according to you any attempt for them to retaliate is "disproportionate response".

There is a certain sordid logic to RichyBlack's reasoning when he raised the issue of how many Israelis have died due to rocket attacks.Its as if the fewer deaths on the Israeli side is proof in itself that the Israelis are the aggressors.

In reality,all it tells us is that Israelis have extremely efficient measures for protecting its people from Palestinian aggression. The question of fault cannot be assesed by mere body counts.

Just a bit of Hal Turner for those whose brains are too addled to comprehend the truth

Hannity's Soul-Mate of Hate

This year a man named Hal Turner sat before his computer at his suburban home in North Bergen, New Jersey, posting bomb-making tips on his website, hailing the firebombing of an apartment containing "Savage Negroes" and calling for the murder of immigrants. "When enough illegal aliens get killed they will stop coming to the country!" Turner wrote.

Hal must be proud of the goons on this site who reference his anti-semitic propaganda. Well done Richy.

davidylan:

Keep playing musical chairs with the facts staring you in the face. As at 2006, it is estimated that at least 20 rockets fall on Sderot a day. Qassam rockets, a more sophisticated version of the Katyusha rockets have been raining on Sderot since 2002, a much shorter period than the katyusha. These are not mere stories, they are a google search away.

Maybe the people of Sderot have been dreaming or its mangoes that rain on them daily.

lol you asked for 1, i'll give you a lot more than 1.

Gaza Rocket Attack Kills an Israeli
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, May 22, 2007; Page A10

JERUSALEM, May 21 -- Palestinian rocket fire from the Gaza Strip killed a 32-year-old Israeli woman Monday night and seriously wounded another civilian in the city of Sderot, prompting Israeli officials to threaten severe reprisals. It was the first Israeli fatality of the most recent surge in violence.

Woman killed, two wounded in Qassam rocket strike on Sderot
Last update - 02:34 22/05/2007

A 35-year-old woman was killed and two others wounded Monday evening when a Qassam rocket struck a car in the western Negev town of Sderot.

The woman, Shir-El Friedman, was standing next to the car at the time of the strike and was taken to Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon. Hospital spokeswoman Lea Malul said she died on the way to the hospital.

[url=http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?=1178708695334&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull]A man of courage[/url]

Oshri Oz, a 36-year-old Hod Hasharon resident, was killed on Sunday morning when a Kassam rocket landed near his car in Sderot. Oz was the 10th Israeli to be killed in rocket barrages from the Gaza Strip.
The Kassam that ended Oz's life landed 30 centimeters from his vehicle, spraying him with shrapnel and fatally wounding him. Oz then lost control of the car and crashed into a wall.

With severe injuries to his chest and neck, Oz managed to get out of the car and take a few steps before collapsing on the road. Within a minute of the attack, Magen David Adom paramedics arrived to evacuate Oz to Ashkelon's Barzilai Medical Center, where he died.

Back to my earlier argument, i'm sure the Isrealis should be eternally grateful to the terrorists for their gifts of Qassam and Katyusha rockets (that you mischievously refer to as "sporadic attacks".

Oh my God! I now see what Afam has been saying. This davidylan guy must be the most gullible neophyte that ever surfed the web!

The first two posts are fake! The woman is a hoax!

In post 1: The fictitious woman is described as a 32-year-old Israeli named Shirel Friedman.

In post 2: The fictitious woman is described as a 35-year-old Israeli named Shir-El Friedman.

In post 3: dead link!

The Israelis keep very accurate records. How can this woman be real if she and be age 32 and 35 at the same time Use that head God give you for once!

Afam, I truly now see what you've been putting up with. This guy is just some freak show!

I-man:

There is a certain sordid logic to RichyBlack's reasoning when he raised the issue of how many Israelis have died due to rocket attacks.Its as if the fewer deaths on the Israeli side is proof in itself that the Israelis are the aggressors.

In reality,all it tells us is that Israelis have extremely efficient measures for protecting its people from Palestinian aggression. The question of fault cannot be assesed by mere body counts.

My brother, i have almost given up when it comes to the ability of certain people to process complex information. At this rate they will be asking us to provide links that any one has been killed by armed robbers in Lagos as proof that armed robbers truly exist.