In fact there are investors who can setup their Energy grid without the need for PHCN.

There need to be all kinds of power options in nigeria from hydro to solar to wind to new innovations even underground. And not because we are desperate means the prices should be in the sky. I also think our water systems should be checked like a correct and massive drainage system based on local government areas. We either have sun, wind, or rain which makes us a suitable place to have all kinds of systems.
It should involve the innovation and innitiative of everyone from the top to the bottom. Is all these give the traditional ruler the money here for transformer or giving someone that doesn't have any bit of electrical/science /engineering skills that have made us stranded for a long time now. The right people and their affliates need to be given the contracts.

By grid here i mean the distributon channels what happens when a customer is tired of one provider and wants to change power company, the new company will need its own distribution channel as well, so should we have several distribution channels??

mrpataki:

Please tell me, what exactly have we ever done in respect to basic amenities that is still working effectively till date? NEPA, NIPOST, NITEL, NTA, and many more? None! They are all a total shame to behold!

If privatization will do it, I totally accept it.

I don't believe privatization is necessarily the pill we need to heal the situation in that country. A Combination of privation and serious government work, maybe but privatization alone?? Nah!!! I am not in the country right now and I tell you what, I see it a nightmare for me to get back down there and see exactly the same trend I see here, happening over there. I would prefer Nigeria does something similar to what south africa has in place when it comes to the economy.

Kobojunkie:

A Combination of privation and serious government work, maybe but privatization alone?? Nah!!!

Exactly.

Can you all tell me what is the definition of the Privatization?

Here is the online defined at source cited (privatization.org):
A very broad term--but most simply, privatization is the transfer of assets or service delivery from the government to the private sector. Privatization runs a very broad range, sometimes leaving very little government involvement, and other times creating partnerships between government and private service providers where government is still the dominant player.

As Government Executive put it,

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[li]Merely defining "privatization" is difficult. In its purest form, the term refers to the shifting of the production of a good or the provision of a service from the government to the private sector, often by selling government-owned assets. Clinton Administration officials took this rather narrow view. "When we talk about privatization, we don't mean contracting out," said Elaine Kamarck, who headed Gore's National Performance Review. "We mean purely divesting the government function."[/li]




[li]Most definitions of privatization, though, are more expansive, covering virtually any action that involves exposing the operations of government to the pressures of the commercial marketplace. That would include everything from contracting out janitorial services at a federal building to selling off the Naval Petroleum Reserve.[/li]




[li]The broader definition of privatization also includes a wide range of public-private partnerships, such as voucher systems. Even the creation of federal corporations, quasi government organizations and government-sponsored enterprises is often filed under the general category of privatization. In such organizations, though, it is often difficult to tell where government ends and the private sector begins.[/li]
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Can anyone to draw an organization chart of Nigeria Government system for us to look at?

I will show you our USA Government organization chart LATER!!!

In my opinion, our sustainable renewable energy privatization will be work specifically with the Nigeria Energy Department and PHCN's Solar Energy Engineer Department to form the new Energy Policy in order to be submitted for approval before proceeding our sustainable renewable energy resolution. The privatization will form its own certified Nigeria Incorporation producing the maximum of shares (stock) toward Nigeria stock buyers and investors. (I have a Nigeria friend who is currently employed with PHCN working with private government partners to develop Solar Energy department---he said those partners are whites---pardon me for race issues, I wonder if you all are aware about the inside of the PHCN procedures/organization chart)

YES---PHCN has own Solar Energy Engineer department somewhere in Victoria Island, Lagos---would anyone kindly to verify this statement is true by my Nigeria friend claimed? Unfortunately, I did introduced this Nigeria-friend (PHCN Solar Energy engineer) to my Nigeria business partner down there in order to set up meeting in person face to face---he (PHCN engineer) disappeared. That is why I am very skeptical of this Nigeria-friend I am very cautiously who I talk to/introduce to.

Anyway, the privatization stocks will be responsible to dividends toward those Nigeria stock buyers/investors EQUALLY, unlikely any government.

My rural Virginia hometown, i read the subscribed Electricity Power Privatization financial assets magazine that contains 50-pages of listing the names of all more than 250 private investors, power subscribers including all the 9 region officers to be split sharing the dividends distribution publicly per every quarter (every 3 month each). Keep in your mind that my rural hometown has only 11,000 population of both residents and businesses---very small town.

Then why can't we create our sustainable renewable energy privatization without relying on government involvement TOO MUCH in Nigeria? And establish to manage our financial assets outside of the Nigeria such as Swiss bank, Cayman Island bank, Aruba bank or Panama bank to protect from the corruption/fraud. Can we? Or is that complex to create one?

Also I already did post the link about Nigeria Embassy's Investment Opportunity to detail about Nigeria Privatization program, but Nairalander insulted me not to believe what the website say where I found.

Here is link i previously in the past. Keep in your mind this website i don't think has been updated lately.

Nigeria Privatization Program

http://www.nigerianembassy.nl/invest_privatisation.htm

Nigerian Investment Promotion Commission

http://www.nigeriabusinessinfo.com/nipc.htm

Privatisation: Opening A Window Of Opportunities In Nigeria

http://www.nigeriabusinessinfo.com/privatise.htm

Electricity Generation

http://www.nigeriabusinessinfo.com/energy.htm

uspry1:

Also I already did post the link about Nigeria Embassy's Investment Opportunity to detail about Nigeria Privatization program, but Nairalander insulted me not to believe what the website say where I found.

Here is link i previously in the past. Keep in your mind this website i don't think has been updated lately.

Nigeria Privatization Program

http://www.nigerianembassy.nl/invest_privatisation.htm

Nigerian Investment Promotion Commission

http://www.nigeriabusinessinfo.com/nipc.htm

Privatisation: Opening A Window Of Opportunities In Nigeria

http://www.nigeriabusinessinfo.com/privatise.htm

Electricity Generation

http://www.nigeriabusinessinfo.com/energy.htm

Most of Africa is barren ground. No solid structure as the one you ask for exists. Heck, the laws are right now not in the favour of foreign companies that would like to come in to take over. Privatization is good for africa but there is a deep part of us that moves us to want to still have control to a large extent over things happening. That, unfortunately has worked against us in the past but we hope to use it to our good this time around. I have seen what privatization has done in the USA, it works BUT we are not even close to where America is and I am afraid that if we let it all to the private sector, we will end up trading masters ( from being at the mercy of the government to being at the mercy of private enterprises) and that to me spells disaster in africa. We do need the government to ensure that the people get what they need at affordable prices. We do need the government to make sure that the people are not forced to go with what is offered without much of a choice. We do need the government to ensure that the people get a reasonable amount of the cake( profits) from these ventures that may come in to provide us with what we need. I don't see it doing Nigeria as a country, any good allowing say a company from china ( Note : disdain LMAO!!!) with all the shareholders in china, coming there to offer us goods and services and having all the profits pumped back to help the chinese economy while we are left with the trash in the end. I am afraid that we have done such in the past and it has not helped at all. We need the government to make sure that a substantial amount of that profit stays in the country. That will help boost our economy.

When it comes to privitization of the oil sector, I beg to say we take a toke from countries like Saudi Arabia.

Another reason why we need to have the government in the picture to provide some alternative for people who are seriously on the poor side. According to a recent article, we have over 75 million very poor people in that place. The government has to provide some sort of backup to help level the playing field. If the rich can afford utilities what happens to the poor?? The government has to come up with a scheme that provides for them and at the same time does not squeeze much from the rich to do this. I am not saying a welfare program like that in the USA But a system that will ensures they are not left behind cause they are unable to afford the new utilities.

I can not verify any of the claims you made there. I mean we have even had a NUCLEAR department for years, does not mean we have nuclear power in place or anything.

@ kobojunkie,
The Nigerian Government in itself has failed, so why entrust anything into its hand henceforth?

mrpataki:

@ kobojunkie,
The Nigerian Government in itself has failed, so why entrust anything into its hand henceforth?

Yes you are right unfortunately @mrPataki. But in our rage, like I mentioned above, we should not blindly run into another trap and then regret that move in the end. Both sides have disadvantages but don't you think it is best we play the two sides in such a way that we get the best hand in both cases?? I mean sure the government controls policy but we now have a democracy, if we can get the government to bring in the private sector but still have the government to limit them so we can get the best at reasonable cost to the nigerian people, i think that would be the best way to go, until we get to a point where we can safely say, the country is now developed and able to handle itself maturely.

What I hope we avoid in the push is a situation where the we still have the majority of the goods consumed in the country, being made outside of the country and then having the economy remain stagnant even with all the development. Take the issue in the oil sector. Nigeria happens to be the 6th largest oil supplier in the world, yet we get so little of the money from our own oil and we have serious petroleum scarcity issues from time to time.

Anyway, I am still for the government helping the people get cheaper alternatives while it looks to broker a deal with any company that can help with the current situation with NEPA without loosing many of the controls it has now. I personally would like a situation where local companies and enterprises can come into the industry, and still have a chance to actually compete with the international companies already in the same field.

@ kobojunkie,
I will give you my rejoinder tomorrow. I am extremely exhausted at the moment, I am enjoying this topic the more with you and several others as well. I went looking at St Nicholas today .

uspry1:

Can you all tell me what is the definition of the Privatization?

Then why can't we create our sustainable renewable energy privatization without relying on government involvement TOO MUCH in Nigeria? And establish to manage our financial assets outside of the Nigeria such as Swiss bank, Cayman Island bank, Aruba bank or Panama bank to protect from the corruption/fraud. Can we? Or is that complex to create one?

In an ideal world, it would be possible but Nigeria is not like the USA where you can set up business and not expect government intervention on some level. Infact, I beg to say that sometimes, they do so in order to frustrate your plans down there. To do such in Nigeria, one has to be ready to face walls and a lot of paperwork. Heck, have a lawyer or two handy should things get out of hand. I have thought about such but considering the restrictive business environment down there for those who may not have the "RIGHT CONNECTIONS", I imagine that being extra prepared for the worst is the way to go.

Well, for me, i feel not worth to come to Nigeria for my 2008 feasible study proposal on sustainable renewable hybrid (solar-wind-biofuel) energy for rural electrification solution along with six business associates, because of Nigeria mentality the way I see itself. This is my opinion to express my feeling, not you!!!!

Therefore, Nigeria is LONG WAY TO GO to improve their own needs!!!! I better wait until they come with NEW NIGERIA ENERGY POLICY on sustainable renewable energy, maybe next 2-5 years from today.

uspry1:

Well, for me, i feel not worth to come to Nigeria for my 2008 feasible study proposal on sustainable renewable hybrid (solar-wind-biofuel) energy for rural electrification solution along with six business associates, because of Nigeria mentality the way I see itself. This is my opinion to express my feeling, not you!!!!

Therefore, Nigeria is LONG WAY TO GO to improve their own needs!!!! I better wait until they come with NEW NIGERIA ENERGY POLICY on sustainable renewable energy, maybe next 2-5 years from today.

I hope to move back for a couple next year myself and already making plans on how to purchase and set up a solar panel or two to provide the needed electricity needed for my domain. Doing business in Nigeria is not for the faint of heart at all. I mean it is not like America definitely but it is not impossible. Usually you hear that if you know "THE RIGHT PEOPLE", it will help but usually these so-called "RIGHT PEOPLE" end up being more like worms in your hair.

Not all Nigerians are all GLOOM AND DOOM. There are Nigerians who not only want to change things but actually push to get as much done as they can and actually take responsibility for their own past mistakes instead of blaming others. You will definitely find a lot of naysayers, that happens to be one of the major reasons why the country is the way it is right now. If you can and know how to contribute, please feel to do so but I ask that you do not go there expecting an atmosphere that necessary welcomes you and your ideas.

@kobojunkie, based on Nigeria mentality, i will change my existing plan/proposal to focus on ONLY existing Nigerian homeowners or business owners who seek for the alternative renewable energy solution replacing their fuel generator with existing ulitity box installed provided by PCHN and are familiar with solar-wind generator installation with backup battery and invertor. They want PCHN-FREE on their property using solar-wind generator system with backup battery and invertor to enjoy their life.

I can educate them (existing Nigerian homeowners/business owners) basically on my presentation seminar how to avoid the ripoff locally solar energy distributors and how to manage the alternative hybrid solar-wind energy system themselves without relying on solar energy techinicans.

Not for my dream real estate investment proposal with microfinance project on largest hybrid-based renewable energy residential community, that i already wrote on my rough draft proposal for 160 new residential estates to be break down only 5 house per sell per year that depend on how fast the Nigerian homeowners to buy it. That is my dream that I must wait for Nigeria's NEW ENERGY POLICY for RENEWABLE ENERGY solution.

Therefore, I cannot do ALONE myself all the stuff like that. That is why i need one more business partner to work with me who is strongly familiar with Nigeria background/economic/real estate environment down there, strongly knowledge of hybrid solar-wind-biofuel energy system and must have valid passport with US VISA able to fly both USA and Nigeria every year on whole 3-months summer season.

If you want to wait 2 to 5 years, it is your own time that is being wasted. Do not wait for the government to make anything available to you. Many have had to wait decades in America for things to get better in Africa, notice, most of them settled down and decided to accept that it might never happen in their life time. You need to go out there and get what you need. Does it have to be Nigeria?? There is India and even Mexico and other island nations right next door to the USA that need the same help. I say you seek a partner carefully as many have been duped and will be duped in the future.

@kobojunkie

Thank you for your word of encouragement. I already made my mind to start all over new research on island nations---It IS A MUST be poverty that need rural electrification solution (more specifically lack of electricity and shelter) for microfinance investment criteria requirement. But I will not responsible for hurricane-prone areas!!!

I already visited one of those Caribbean island few weeks ago on my 7-days cruise that touched my heart to love it. It is only 90 miles closer to the USA---Florida that I can fly from my hometown to that one of Caribbean more convenience than across half around the world, Africa/India where it is the poorest nations.

Here is an idea. If you want to reach people in this day and age. There are so many ways to do it. You can put together your material: Document your lecture and print out the information, providing DVD copies of the idea for those who can get time to set it. Put together a comprehensive package and then find someone who will send you a listening of Nigerian Addresses, send the information to them and wait for call backs. It may seem a crude way to get to people but many Nigerians will be elated to recieve mail from some stranger who does not know them but wants to help them. If they have further questions, they can always reach you at some email, phone number or even website. 

I plan to use this medium to reach people in the near future and I will start my mail campaign, hopefully sometime in March ( different business completely)

@kobojunkie,

That was my original plan of comprehensive promotion package when i come to Nigeria this March 2008 to have my presentation seminar in Lagos hotel conference in order to gather potential investors/buyers/clients who interest in hybrid-based renewable energy solution.

In my presentation seminar, I will have VISUAL SOLAR-WIND ENERGY MODEL DEMONSTRATION to give them BIGGER PICTURE of how it works with my flashlight as represent as a sun and hairblow-dryer as represent as a wind!!!

Right now i already made my mind!!!

Nigeria uses Solar Energy as of the moment ' YES ' Everybody should note that the need for Nuclear Power Plant is necessary for multiple purposes like going to 'WAR' with United States/UK/FRANCEGERMANY/MIDDLE EAST/OR/CHINA?/ Without the country scared that she'll be Dead and then act like a Girl, 'NO' Nigeria is a Big Boy, She can't be attacked by any country/continent and she won't respond properly as Giant of Africa, What do you think? take a look at IRAN, normally they are not suppose to have Nuclear Power as Arabs that they are, They are far from Human, though they/whites/chinese/all came out we African the Origal human beings/Black/Brown People of GOD/ But they are too Violent, WHAT DO ANY ONE OF YOU THINK?

@Post

Nigeria is far from setting up an energy policy to be honest and a lot needs to be done, conclusively, Energy policy is non-existent
As an Energy and Sustainability Consultant in the UK, i have been dreaming of the day an energy policy would be put in place in Nigeria
The problem is where do we start from as a developing country? What can we learn from developed countries and how compliant can we be?
It is imperative that all countries have an energy policy, with the continued threat of global warming, security of supply and climate change issues
I strongly believe, with an effective energy policy and strategy in place, Nigeria would improve tremendously especially in the areas of power supply

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