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Donlittle:
oh please, ppl did pay tithes in the bible, didnt you knw? i think you should read bible or quran for once.

You read yours! I can tell you where to read and i'm sure 'the bishop' will would ather you don't

Donlittle:
no not even, at all at all, Just that when the grace of God is in you, u will do great things. simple

what is great about collecting tithes and offering?

well, i guess it takes some brainwashing too

Donlittle:
how did jesus feed 5000 people with 2 people and 5 fish?

I'm very sure Jesus did not ask any member of the congregation to for tithe and offering in order to feed them! this is exactly the opposite!

[quote author=abbey_adet link=topic=641603.msg8081631#msg8081631 date=1302275850]I will like you guys to reaffirm your posotions or findings before you take a stand:
1. Does anyone have any proof that Bishop Oyedepo or Winners Chapel have 4 Private Jets or the Old ones were changed for newer or latest models? did they confirm that they were maintaining 4 four jets??
2. If you have been to the church before or you know anyone there, do they cajoled or force people to bring out money and donate to church or for private jet?
3. does anyone know that since 1985 when he published his first book, he has never collected anything from the proceeds of the books or tapes sold?
4. are you aware that the CDs of the church is now one of the cheapest anyone ministry sales? bookshops sell their CDs for N100 today.
5. I am aware that this Bishop once told President Obasanjo during his regime that he will never take or ask anything/ help from him. he even said the day he asked for help, he should never regard his words anymore.
6. I am also aware that they only collect offerings once in their service and this is done within 20 minutes despite the thousands of people attending.
7. i am also aware that he abhors any form of asking from members for anything whatsoever and he has been declaring since 1985 that he will never beg or borrow money from anyone and he has not!
8. aTo me this Man preaches sound money management and prosperity messages more than any minister i have ever seen in our gegeneration ![/quote]how does he make his money?

[quote author=abbey_adet link=topic=641603.msg8081631#msg8081631 date=1302275850]I will like you guys to reaffirm your posotions or findings before you take a stand:
1. Does anyone have any proof that Bishop Oyedepo or Winners Chapel have 4 Private Jets or the Old ones were changed for  newer or latest models? did they confirm that they were maintaining 4 four jets??
2. If you have been to the church before or you know anyone there, do they cajoled or force people to bring out money and donate to church or for private jet?
3. does anyone know that since 1985 when he published his first book, he has never collected anything from the proceeds of the books or tapes sold?
4. are you aware that the CDs of the church is now one of the cheapest anyone ministry sales? bookshops sell their CDs for N100 today. 
5. I am aware that this Bishop once told President Obasanjo during his regime that he will never take or ask anything/ help from him. he even said the day he asked for help, he should never regard his words anymore.
6. I am also aware that they only collect offerings once in their service and this is done within 20 minutes despite the thousands of people attending.
7. i am also aware that he abhors any form of asking from members for anything whatsoever and he has been declaring since 1985 that he will never beg or borrow money from anyone and he has not!
8. aTo me this Man preaches sound money management and prosperity messages more than any minister i have ever seen in our gegeneration ![/quote]so ,  what exactly is ur point ?

[quote author=tosinaded@ link=topic=641603.msg8081441#msg8081441 date=1302274312]I really dunno how paying 10% of wut u earn, makes u an abject poor man!

I dnt undastand how u all come to the conclusion dat he makes his worshipers abject poor people[/quote]Has it ever crossed what ever you have between your ears what 10% of all the congregation's earnings, and also the numerous offerings does for one man?

@190
if u really want to make it in this church thing, try marketing the following pple
tosinaded,tlops,idelaff,luvlee,c_ronaldo
but i assure u, with tosinaded and c_ronaldo you can make your 1st private jet in 2 months!!!

[quote author=tosinaded@ link=topic=641603.msg8080805#msg8080805 date=1302269249]Lmao sagamite and his shallow way of thinking!
So cos i dnt buy your idea, am a member of his church!
Lmao. . . . .

U say he sees church money as his money, whose money is it?
your money abi. . .
Or he shld put all the money together and burn it as an offering to God?
He is the leader of the church. . It is his money! Take it or leave it[/quote]and yet if u fail to pay your tithe you are robbing GOD  
I agree absolutely with sagamite on the quality of brain you ended with!

[quote author=tosinaded@ link=topic=641603.msg8080727#msg8080727 date=1302268576]Sum1 said God made every man equal. . .
so oyedepo's jet is the cause of poverty abi?
Wen did it become the work of a pastor to develop rural areas and feed people?

Use urself as an example. . . Everybody luvs to get good things, the more u get the more u spend. .
Most of here can feed a family 4 one month with the cost of our BB. .yet we wnt mind buying an ipad 2geda wiv the BB. . . . .
Av u eva tut of using dat money to feed the needy? NO. . . .

[b]U re here criticising sum1 else,cos he has more money![/b]How many lives have u touched with the little dat u have?[/quote]i ask u, what does your bishop do that he has so much money? does he farm? does he have a factory ? ,
tell me!

nimma:
I still attend winners chapel and i will continue till Jesus comes. Only FOOLs doubt proofs. If you think he is fake, try starting urs lets see how many pple you can convince. I am too proud of my Bishop.  Ever since i came in contact with his ministry, my life has taken a turn for the better. If he were poor, you would still be the first to criticise. You want to blame him for the poor members who still ride okada? I am sure you blame God for not creating your fingers equal. As a christian, its all about asking God to open your spiritual eyes to understand his word because all answers to lifes questions is written there, and thats what Bishop teaches. Through his teachings, my eyes have been opened and i am doing very very well

Do u read your Bible? so before your "Bishop's" teaching, u were blind? in what ways are u "doing very very well"?

nimma:
I still attend winners chapel and i will continue till Jesus comes. Only FOOLs doubt proofs. If you think he is fake, try starting urs lets see how many pple you can convince. I am too proud of my Bishop.  Ever since i came in contact with his ministry, my life has taken a turn for the better. If he were poor, you would still be the first to criticise. You want to blame him for the poor members who still ride okada? I am sure you blame God for not creating your fingers equal. As a christian, its all about asking God to open your spiritual eyes to understand his word because all answers to lifes questions is written there, and thats what Bishop teaches. Through his teachings, my eyes have been opened and i am doing very very well

[quote author=tosinaded@ link=topic=641603.msg8080415#msg8080415 date=1302265963]Many of the agrieved posts av seen here are just baseless. . .
Why u hating and angry for wetin no concern u? Sum1 said the worshipers there are paupers, cretins bla bla bla. . .

Can a congregation of paupers build a univesity, or the biggest church in the world? Can it buy a jet?[/quote]It's because of brainwashed mindless people like these that these things thrive in the church today! What business is he into to be able to afford 4 private jets? what are his inventions?

The big news is that this one is for 'ministry's African Mission'
Probably the other three will be for Europe, Asian and North American Mission,' so there are still 3 or even 4 (one for Nigerian Mission)  to complete the 'Wings'!!

God will arise one day and sort all these problems in the church out!!!

@lovely123

I know your type: A frustrated person with nothing, in life,  to look forward to  and resigned to your fate. You believe that nothing in this life can be acheived without jazz. And will do anything, i mean anything, to bring down any one who is on the right track.
Its people like you that make our society bad!

You are despicable!!

You are evil!!

You are Bad!!!

victorazy:
It means that Lagos State government cannot lighting the road when is dark in Lagos which has been causing untimely death of our prominent youth? Is that how dark Lagos is?
No generator or solar power to light up the street lights at night?. Maybe Sister Nkeiru has prayed for him "shoulder pad"

It might not really be the darkness or the state of the roads; a lot of other things could have been involved. I'm not suggesting anything like that loon lovely123, my cousin was pushed off the road and into a ditch near PWD busstop by a truck late one night.
Lets not be quick to blame the government for this , yet

May his soul rest in peace and may the Almighty grant his family and fans the fortitude to bear this loss.

The last i checked, the reward for kicking the ball away or even into the net after the whistle has gone, is a yellow card. Did VP kick the ball after the whistle? YES! and the letter of the law was applied.
Maybe, what some people call 'common sense approach' should have been used by the ref, but i really don't think the ref was wrong to have issued the yellow. the yellow, which was, unfortunately his second. Bringing me to what i feel should be the real issue, why VP got the first yellow card, i think it was really silly of him him. and also every player on a yellow card ought to be careful, which he was not, i just think it was just a moment of madness on his part.

Now his excuse: He did not hear the whistle!! Yet he knew he kicked the ball on second after the whistle!!  

I know i am not a big fan of arsenal, but believe me, i really wanted arsenal to win! My reason, Barca has only dropped 7 points all seasonin la liga, they just keep crushing everybody they meet, and thats not fair, they should not hold the monopoly of winning. i know i sound like a hater, but i think other teams deserve a chance, and as painful as it sounds, i believed Arsenal are the only team can can stop them. But how wrong i was!!! after 90 mins no shot on or off target is criminal!! no chances created, Barca could have played that match without their keeper.

I think it would have been more honourable for Wenger to come out and say the was out-played instead of holding on to the yellow card Van Piersie recieved for kicking the ball away.

ritchboy:
Cesc has been poor.

news!

dayokanu:
Why was Messis goal disallowed?

Damage control

topeorekoy:
I want a one week injury for messi and villa and another one week injury during the return leg. That's the only way we can win. This match is beyond us. I don't want too much injuries for barca cos I need them to help me beat madrid again

So u want the person that beat u to go beat ur enemy?
why not call them to beat man u and man city so that u can win a trophy for the first time in emirates stadium?

A big achievement for arsenal,
being only a goal down at half time!

something else to brag about!

so soon!! just 25 mins!!

GOOD NEWS FOR ARSENAL!!
Messi has promised not to score more than 4 goals today!!

it is going top be a very long 90 mins for the gunners

So gunners, no excuses today oo!
Nasri starts, rosicky is back!!

With the Quantity of Pastors/prayer warriors in town these days one still wonders why we have not moved forward as a nation.

Why has someone not asked to pray for the Brother-in-laws? Because, they, believe it or not, are to blame for this. Only someone of very very low moral will sleep with his wife's sister in his matrimonial home, and who knows, on his matrimonial bed, with his kids at home. I cannot think of words to qualify such men for now.

As for the lady, thank God you know you have not done well, you alone can stop it if you REALLY want to stop it. I understand how vunerable ladies are especially when they come across beasts as determined and unscrupulous as her in-laws.

Some secrets are better left as secrets, and in my opinion, you have to live with this all your life and bear it alone and try and find peace with your God!

Ranoscky:
He made it clear that he's not into football so why not correct him on that instead of makin such coment to him?

Some peeps sef, na wa for una O!

He was not asking to know his age nor did he estimate! He is making a statement of fact!!!. He also claimed to have watched Mikel play in uniport in 2002!

Mikel is 34yrs old  for crying out loud

real4jesus:
am not a soccer freak, i dont know much about football, i dont even know the clubs, but i watch int'l matches when nigeria plays.
i hear pple cursing and getting agitated becos of mikel, i hear chelsea fans screaming that mikel is a puppet on the field now, dat his former coach killed his football skills. that one no concern me.

if u want to hear my views about this i will tell you the truth back in 2002 when mikel came to play a match in my school Uniport he was good i hrd, never watched

but i think the buy is not getting any younger and his legs are his investment and the key to food on his table,cloth on his back and shelter over his head. leave him alone haters let him kick the ball small small so dat he will not have injuries that will knock him out completely.

[b]Most 30 yrs old are thinking of retirement becos of constant injuries, Mikel is 34yrs old for crying out loud [/b]as far as am concerned he is tryign and he is good on the field no Injuries! Najia hard o! abeg haters leave the man alone, i hrd he has a football age of 23 or so but actaully the guy is over 10yrs older than this age.

thank you. my opinon o!

Guy,
my candid advice: STAY OFF DRUGS!!!

Ujujoan:
@ itsmyeila

You are not okay! She didn't even cheat on you. She did what she did before you guys met. And then you had to make the children suffer for it too? Na wa oh!

i'm not totally in support of his actions but can i ask u?

how would u feel, if u are a man, knowing that TWO of your brothers have slept with your wife before u married her?

A few things:

it's very difficult to find a man who would go to these extremes unless the woman has greatly disappointed him. Men have extra marital affairs even from the first day of marriage but they hide it from their wives and they come home everytime and make 'seemingly' genuine excuses when they don't. i believe that this is not just a case of finding comfort outside;
even the most wayward husband will give u an excuse, no matter how ridiculous, for actions like this.
but in this case i can tell you that your 'husband' has lost every respect for you. and i think you know the reason.

If the news read: Mr X was arrested for , 
we would all say it serves him right!

If it reads: Mallam X, an Imam, was arrested ,
Boko Haram or terrorist, we will all shout!

If it reads: Mr. X, a Pastor, was arrested for ,
then we all will say I knew it!

Now the news reads Mr X, a Priest was arrested ,
then all hell breaks loose!

Haba, my Catholic brothers! Priests and pastors, Imams are 'anointed' men of God. but they can all go astray!!
the key word there is that they are men!!

The Authorities are very reluctant to move against any religous body or anyone one associated with them because of sentiments like these. But if their hands are forced then ,

orangemen:
to me, obasanjo and atiku know each other very well.
when in 2007 obasanjo told nigerians that atiku was a criminal, atiku accepted that but went ahead to tell nigerians that they are both in it.
because atiku swore to go down with obasanjo, that case died just like that. if atiku says obasanjo is a mistake, i think both of them are also in this as usual.
these are two great criminals nigeria and nigerians are suffering from.

flesh and blood did not reveal this to you!!!!

@poster

while we are still praying, let us also remember 'osisi ka nkwu' (the kidnaping guy in aba) for, i believe, a lot of people have also been touched by his 'ministry', not much is known about what he does with his money and i suspect he is also a good christian and who knows?may be he gives so much to his church. looking at his picture, i don't see him as greedy and selfish.

wiltech:
there is a fat difference between a christian and a born again christian, a christian is a church goer and a born again christian is one that has accepted christ as his personal Lord and Savior. it is only a church goer that will not pay his tithe but a correct and born again christian will pay his one tenth of his salary to God every month. I don't believe that a real born again christian will have any excuse for not paying his or her tithe. remember IF U PAY your TITHE, your LIFE WILL NOT BE TITHE

Can u tell me where the Bible (which is the Only book Christians should get their instructions from) says that life will not be tithe if i pay my tithe?

this is what we are talking about.
what of lying? will it not make ur life tithe too (especiaslly lying on God)?

why are other 'sins' not as stressed in the church today as 'robbing' God is?

brother, read your Bible. its is written in English (and translated in so many other Nigerian languages).