nomoreface:

I think What makes this tithe thing look 'criminal' to me, is the threat that goes with it.

I understand money is needed to run the church. But i think that if the pastors come out and say it just as it is: 'we need money to run the church and go for outreaches and thing like that, it will be much better. people will give more freely and you know you are giving to promote God's work on earth.

KunleOshob:

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Deuteronomy 14:28-29:

28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.
Apart from the fact that as it is shown above that tithes is not the exclusive preserve of the levites [contrary to claims of fraudulent preachers] it is also meant for the poor and the needy. Also the above makes it glaring that tithes is not money from income but rather produce from the land of Israel.

Babzilla:


the levites were given such because they recieved no allotment of land. these pastors own estates and have so much but give nothing.

chiteny:

Mr. kunle i know u are not very happy about the development but try not to "insult" those in place of leadership. pray for them instead. most of them are true ment of God you call "criminals" but dont have the revelation of the need not to pay tithe yet.

chiteny:

WOW !!

I never thought i would contribute to this tithe thing. But i am provoked to after rerading through this thread from the begining till now i am writing. I see so many funny posts like "God taking His 10% from the source and the rest that comes to you is your 90%" This is not the best approach. If you don't want to pay your tithes please do not decieve yourself by adopting this method. Don't pay outrightly and live with your conscience that way.

Now to my own contribution. A quote from newmi, "And then in the new testament that scenerio was re-ecoed in Hebrews 7:1-2, "1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace""

This is just a mention of an event that happened in the old testament and not a statement affirming the fact that we are supposed to pay our tithes.

I had to put up this quote as it is the norm for many "men of God" to quote a scripture of the bible for thier own benefit. Honestly i am yet to see any place in the new testament that say we should pay out "tenth" or tithe to the church, be it money or food stuff.

Now, you all must know that i pay my tithe even if i am sounding like i am against tithe paying. i have payed it right since my secondary school (as many pastors would encourage people to do, even if your mummy dash you N10, you must pay N1 tithe). But i pay my tithe not because i feel it is compulsory, but because i see it as my contribution to the work of God through my church. I am at liberty to use the 10% (more or less) to buy gifts or give it outrightly to the poor or needy or widows or those in prison if i want to.

In view of this, I buy the idea of singili who says he/she would be giving 10% to the less previleged. but bros mind the way you say "God Damn Churches". leave the churches to God to damn. just do what u know is right.

JPworld you are taking things to the extreme if i may say. You need God in your life. All the wealth in this world cannot offer to you what God can offer to you. So even if you don't pay tithes, please acknowledge God in all you do. Reverence, fear and worship Him.

i am open to critics and criticism. i will reply you in due course.


ilove your contribution sounds more like

Joagbaje:

One can't force anybody to pay tithe, they only lack the knowledge of the importance. The simple truth truth is that the non tithers simply lose the benefit associated with tithing period!

wiltech:

a correct and born again christian will pay his one tenth of his salary to God every month. I don't believe that a real born again christian will have any excuse for not paying his or her tithe.

chiteny:

WOW !!

I never thought i would contribute to this tithe thing. But i am provoked to after rerading through this thread from the begining till now i am writing. I see so many funny posts like[b] "God taking His 10% from the source and the rest that comes to you is your 90%"[/b] This is not the best approach. If you don't want to pay your tithes please do not decieve yourself by adopting this method. Don't pay outrightly and live with your conscience that way.

Now to my own contribution. A quote from newmi,  "And then in the new testament that scenerio was re-ecoed in Hebrews 7:1-2, "1  For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace""

This is just a mention of an event that happened in the old testament and not a statement affirming the fact that we are supposed to pay our tithes.

I had to put up this quote as it is the norm for many "men of God" to quote a scripture of the bible for thier own benefit. Honestly i am yet to see any place in the new testament that say we should pay out "tenth" or tithe to the church, be it money or food stuff.

Now, you all must know that i pay my tithe even if i am sounding like i am against tithe paying. i have payed it right since my secondary school (as many pastors would encourage people to do, even if your mummy dash you N10, you must pay N1 tithe). But i pay my tithe not because i feel it is compulsory, but because i see it as my contribution to the work of God through my church. I am at liberty to use the 10% (more or less) to buy gifts or give it outrightly to the poor or needy or widows or those in prison if i want to.

In view of this, I buy the idea of singili who says he/she would be giving 10% to the less previleged. but bros mind the way you say "God Damn Churches". leave the churches to God to damn. just do what u know is right.

JPworld you are taking things to the extreme if i may say. You need God in your life. All the wealth in this world cannot offer to you what God can offer to you. So even if you don't pay tithes, please acknowledge God in all you do. Reverence, fear and worship Him.

i am open to critics and criticism. i will reply you in due course.

chiteny:

i am a christian business owner. The MD/CEO/GMD of a company. And being the good christian that i am, i pay my tithe from the entire profit i make before paying my workers.

Now do my workers need to pay their tithes after getting their pay?

chiteny:


Ok if you say yes and they give pocket money to their children or dash someone money, do the children or the person they dash need to pay tithe again?

Ok. if u say yes, does the next line of giving attract another taxing tithing?

Please only professional responses are needed.

Pukkah:

Please tell me why tithe (when you choose to pay) should be one tenth of salary. I ask, how do you determine the amount on which a trader or contractor pays his tithe, is it based on his Turnover or Profit? I bet you it is based on Profit.

For a salary earner, there is a difference between 'Profit' and 'Turnover/Sales' or 'Gross Earnings'. He needs to deduct expenses incurred (that are necessary to do the job) on food, clothing, rent, transportation, etc from his salary before subjecting the balance to tithe. It is the same way by which a trader subtracts his expenses from Sales before getting his profit on which he pays tithe.

Which trader or contractor subjects his total sales or contract sum to a tithe of 10%? In the same way, the gross salary or income on the employment letter of a salary earner is not his profit. However, if there is no profit after deducting the expenses that means he (the salary earner/trader) is not obliged to pay any tithe because it is not expected that you pay tithe on loss and it means the individual has not increased in networth.

This is another wrong notion that should be corrected but those that know and should correct it are looking the other way because they are benefiting from it. Ironically, the tithe payers need this education (which would eventually benefit the churches) in order to encourage them because a lot of find actually find it painful to pay a straight 10% of Gross Salary as tithe.

Please note that my explanation here does not mean that I am in support of tithe payment.

Pukkah:

1. You do not pay your tithe from the entire profit BEFORE paying workers. You only determine the company's profit AFTER paying the workers' salaries. In other words, salaries of workers are part of the operating expenses of the company and must be deducted from your Gross Profit before you arrive at your Net Profit.

2. Yes, your workers need to pay their tithes from their pay (salary) and this should be after they have deducted the expenses they incurred (e.g. feeding, transportation, etc) to earn the pay.

3. Pocket Money or 'dash' may be classified as Gifts and gifts (minus the expense incurred in getting/collecting them - if any) should be subjected to a straight 10% tithe payment.

However, I think all tithe payers should have come of age and should not be minors. You may want to make your opinion or religious stand known on this.

In other words, gifts (less any expense incurred in getting it - if any) to adults should attract tithe payment if the recipient or beneficiary subscribes to the doctrine of tithe payment.

I hope this satisfies your enquiries.

chiteny:

NO!

Some CEO may pay the workers after paying tithe. ok let me assume this is not done.

After i get my salary and i pay tithe out of it, does who ever i dash money need to pay tithe again assuming he is an adult and of course there was not cost incurred before getting the money/gift from me?

chiteny:

NO!

Some CEO may pay the workers after paying tithe. ok let me assume this is not done.

After i get my salary and i pay tithe out of it, does who ever i dash money need to pay tithe again assuming he is an adult and of course there was not cost incurred before getting the money/gift from me?

ttalks:

Such CEO/CEOs would run into problems very soon as[b] their accounting is not in order.[/b]
This is on the assumption that tithe payment of money is a requirement for Christians

Without any cost incurred, that gift is an increase/profit and should be tithed from.
It is a new situation for the beneficiary with no link to whatever has been done to the initial source.

By the way, Pukkah ought to be answering this; not me.

wiltech:

there is a fat difference between a christian and a born again christian, a christian is a church goer and a born again christian is one that has accepted christ as his personal Lord and Savior. it is only a church goer that will not pay his tithe but a correct and born again christian will pay his one tenth of his salary to God every month. I don't believe that a real born again christian will have any excuse for not paying his or her tithe. remember IF U PAY your TITHE, your LIFE WILL NOT BE TITHE

This is similar to how the government subjects lottery or casino winnings to tax. However, I doubt if anyone would be so bold to pay tithe on lottery winnings   since gambling is usually not permitted in most religions.

chiteny:

WOW !!

I never thought i would contribute to this tithe thing. But i am provoked to after rerading through this thread from the begining till now i am writing. I see so many funny posts like "God taking His 10% from the source and the rest that comes to you is your 90%" This is not the best approach. If you don't want to pay your tithes please do not decieve yourself by adopting this method. Don't pay outrightly and live with your conscience that way.

Now to my own contribution. A quote from newmi, "And then in the new testament that scenerio was re-ecoed in Hebrews 7:1-2, "1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace""

This is just a mention of an event that happened in the old testament and not a statement affirming the fact that we are supposed to pay our tithes.

I had to put up this quote as it is the norm for many "men of God" to quote a scripture of the bible for thier own benefit. Honestly i am yet to see any place in the new testament that say we should pay out "tenth" or tithe to the church, be it money or food stuff.

Now, you all must know that i pay my tithe even if i am sounding like i am against tithe paying. i have payed it right since my secondary school (as many pastors would encourage people to do, even if your mummy dash you N10, you must pay N1 tithe). But i pay my tithe not because i feel it is compulsory, but because i see it as my contribution to the work of God through my church. I am at liberty to use the 10% (more or less) to buy gifts or give it outrightly to the poor or needy or widows or those in prison if i want to.

In view of this, I buy the idea of singili who says he/she would be giving 10% to the less previleged. but bros mind the way you say "God Damn Churches". leave the churches to God to damn. just do what u know is right.

JPworld you are taking things to the extreme if i may say. You need God in your life. All the wealth in this world cannot offer to you what God can offer to you. So even if you don't pay tithes, please acknowledge God in all you do. Reverence, fear and worship Him.

i am open to critics and criticism. i will reply you in due course.

Impressive about this post is not necessarily the content, but moreso the spirit with which the content is articulated. Chiteny, whatever its worth, you have my respect.

Dunniah:

I know of someone who prefers to package his tithe and give it to orphanages, motherless babies, disabled people, etc. He argues that a lot of these churches just can't be trusted and that giving service/help to people who need it is service/help to God.