₦airaland Forum

Bombblacks:
I don't really understand. What difference does that make. If i was to die today is it not my current physical state my soul will take to the paradise or does the soul have a different appearance from our physical bodies? Lastly what will a soul need mansions and virgins for? Please i will really love to be enlightened

Bombblacks:
This opens up even more questions.

1) Will the babies grow in paradise to adult age or they will remain as babies forever. Take note we are talking about at least 500million babies and young children give or take.

2) Will there be supermarket to shop for baby things in paradise or how exactly does it work.

3) Babies that their parent didn't make the cut to paradise which mansion will they reside?

4) What happens to those with 5 to 6 wives? One manison or multiple mansions in paradise.

5) Can those in paradise visit their family members in hell who for one reason or the other couldn't make it.

Am just really curious how the paradise/heaven thing is?

islamics:
Alhamdulillah you made some clarification but I for want engage you more even with the Hadith Qudsi you mentioned but me go leave am here as it is all about clarifying stuff and great that you would not want to go into the story part. I knew how I search a library just to read that story.

TrebleChamp:
I also saw one that read " If Adam and Eve were the only human in the beginning and had two sons, where Cain see wife? This story no clear".
The fact that we cannot fully understand God is a reason i don't engage in religious argument..

TrebleChamp:
I believe same too...

afrodoc2:
LOL

We all know what we are doing.

afrodoc2:
Abu Bakr was about 50yrs old at the time of the Hijra but you claimed his eldest daughter was 40yrs just to move the age of Aisha up to 30 yrs.

😀😀😀


Ustaz! Ustaz!! Ustaz!!!


We all know what we are doing.

TrebleChamp:
So how would Jesus have died for Christians and resurrected after 3 day if Judas or any other person didn't play their part? As a Muslim i believe Jesus is a prophet sent by Allah to preach Allah's message and he was never crucified. But Christian believe he is their lord and personal saviour who came to die and pay for their sins, so how would this have happened without the role of Judas or anyone else?

afrodoc2:
I am talking about the 30 yr old lamba that you mixed in your previous post, only to disavow it in your next post.

Oh wrong nau!

Also we can’t really use the elder sister’s age to judge because they were half-sisters and had different mothers. Some of Robert De Niro’s children are decades apart in age.

GloriousGbola:
leave oasis

dude has a set of folders with responses for each situation

eg

fundamentalist muslim - it is a mans right to have four wives
liberal muslim - treat the wives equally
nominal muslim - you wouldnt understand because you must read surah x.y in ---arabic
indiffernt kaffir - you people do the same it is called serial monogamy
miltant atheist - you people only just gave women voting rights like 100 years ago
woke liberal - islam give women rights and agency

afrodoc2:
So why you come drop that lamba?

Ustaz, be kiaful o. I dey gbadun your exegesis but you should not start adding ajasa to it.

TrebleChamp:
So apt, basic reason doesn't go well mix with religion. Example is Allah (God) allowing Adam and Eve to sin (he already new it would happen before he created us), and then created Hell to punish the rest of humanity for committing sin.
I once told a Christian friend that Judas is innocent and probably balling in heaven, because it was already destined before he was even borne that he will betray Jesus. Dude just stared at me confused and wondering how to respond, he finally said God knows best...

afrodoc2:
30 is out of it. If you say 20 it is possible, though not probable. She was most likely a teenager. The reasonable debate is whether she was in her early teens or late teens.

GloriousGbola:
which dubai?

maybe i am reading it wrong but this is what i see.

the arabs are rich because the west derided on oil as a source of energy. they can see that today - everyone is discovering oil in their backyards and b - the west is moving or pivoting from oil . they have decided on tourism. not religious tourism - which did fk al for saudi before oil, but western driven tourism. dubai where you can now drink and cohabit ? you think you can bring in hedonist western tourists to your place and still impose sharia?

Saudi is slowly doing same. if they do not do this - that western driven prosperity will collapse and they will devolve to pakistan \bangladesh in a generation

GloriousGbola:
unfortunately, Isis must have been reading a different interpretation of the Quran

the true litmus test is what would happen in a world where Islam is dominant and muslims would not need to be politically correct to get on with hegemonic western infidels

afrodoc2:
19 years or 30 years? Ustaz please pick a struggle.

GloriousGbola:
you are simply sharing the western friendly interpretation
no one has told this to sani yerima and numerous other devout muslims from the north who insist on marrying children.
they too will spit their own authentic hadiths defending child marriage

i am not your best friend, but does this mean i can marry your daughter when she is 18 tho? would you like be cool with that?

you no comment on my other comment but its all good.

GloriousGbola:
I raise you surah 23 verses 5-7

when i was younger i read the Quran cover to cover so much that it became dog eared
so i saw the right hands possess wella

abi Isis who were enslaving women were reading a different Quran?

especially when you consider that Isis actually wanted to bring all Muslims under a single caliphate as it was before, not these bastardized hereditary monarchies or *gasp* kafirun democratic government?

do you tacitly admit that Islam like all other religions is at its core a religion for men?
why else would women not be promised their own virgins ?

i dont even want to go into the weird shit where a 40 plus Prophet Muhammed tells his paddytosure Abu Bakr guy i want to marry ya pikin.
imagine your best friend wanting to marry your six year old daughter and you betroth her just like that.

GloriousGbola:
https://www.nadiasinitiative.org/the-genocide


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Pn14Q1CCI

Not much difference when the orphans and slaves are the same thing

Just as Muslim men have the right to marry 4 wives, they have rights over slaves.


that is what that verse is about.

if you want to be starkly honest Islam promises MEN sexual freedom while going on about if you can guarantee the sanctity of what is between your legs you are guaranteed paradise

as a man i am promised 70 houris each in al jannah.
Basically I am promised 70 mindless sex dolls.

Believing women do not get their own 70 magic mike, possibly because

"Men were created weak" [another phrase littered across the hadith]

as a man i have the RIGHT to have 4 wives - but nothing for unequal women

as a man i have the right to fk a slave or [an orphan according to oasis - which is at odds with the grave sin of stealing from orphans] but women do not have the right to fk their own slaves


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadia_Murad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Girl_(memoir)

islamics:
On that pantami talk, the explanation given was that, the poor would enter earlier than the rich due to accountability. Everybody go account from how he/she get 1kobo to millions and how he/she spend am.
So, it is understandable when such is said, as I remember, we do make jest of some rich men that they would waste time giving accountability due to how large their wealth are.
The religion abhor poverty as we are told to pray and work against it even if na to dey gather firewood sell so that make person no beg. That the reality is different today doesn't change what is there.

One of our predecessor (AbdurRahman bn Awf - Radiyallahu anh) who was given glad tidings of entering paradise was told same thing due to the level of wealth he has.

islamics:
Greetings Sheikh, I get reservation about the bolded for now even though na learn I dey learn. Alhamdulillah, you mentioned Tafseer in one of your comments.

An-Nisa - Verse 59
O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution.

How does the Tafseer you have read balance the above ayah with regards to Hadith talk?

The way we do our ablution today was Hadith. Suratul Maidah mentioned ablution but how it described it, is not how we do it today except maybe I don't know. The verse didn't mention inhaling and exhaling of water but we do that and some other ones too.

Iamdamilola did ask you question. I was also interested in the answer. You gave your answer, which was okay. But the thing I tell people is this; all of us go everly claim Muslim but our aqeedah (belief) and action na him go define us not we saying I am Muslim.

P.S: you are very good with putting up evidence, keep it up, I wish I can do that.

raumdeuter:
Pantami is also rich, let him test out the theory

GloriousGbola:
na you be this o

so what is the difference between what you said and king james version vs New International Version NIV. vs New King James Version NKJV. ...

GloriousGbola:
i grew up watching ahmed deedat debates

one of the big points i took away was about how fragmented christianity is and no one can agree on anything, how the bibles are compiled by people;

none of this applies to Islam because the Quran is divinely inspired

but here we are with multiple interpretations of the Quran ; multiple sects ; multiple political agendas
depending on the situation we are told hadith is not valid - the surah was not meant like that

this sounds suspiciously like the same BS christians spout - you are not in the spirit so you cant understand

GloriousGbola:
that is pantami talking. he is likely a much bigger islamic scholar than you are.

Theflint1:
Is this true?

raumdeuter:
If you doggy 🐕 one you must doggy the other

If you lick one plate you must chop snail of the other

GrammarNazi1:
If he can be just and he decides to marry more than one wife, does his wife have a right to destroy him?

GrammarNazi1:
Yes, I know the clause that the man must treat the wives justly or equally. If the man can't, he is not permitted to marry more than one.

Yet, it is not the woman who decides whether the man can treat them equally or not; the man decides that.

And again, a Muslim husband may decide to marry more than one wife if he desires, which means it is not a must.

If and when a man then decides to get a second wife, it is not in the wife's place to bring the man down into chaos and destruction.

GloriousGbola:
I believe it means slave. In most surahs admonishing against illegal sexual intercourse your wives and those your right hands possess are legal. Another popular loophole used for sexual exploitation of female slaves.

That too is a 'right' in Islam.

GloriousGbola:
@oasisx

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What does the bolded mean pls?

GrammarNazi1:
Marrying a second wife is a general understanding in Islam.

I am not a Muslim; in fact, I am more logical than religious, but a Muslim wife knows that her Muslim husband may marry a second wife if he so desires.

If a Muslim husband decides to take a second wife, the wife should not turn it to drama or chaos.

If the wife can't take it, she can divorce the man.

Note, I am not saying a woman should accept polygamy. I am only saying if the woman can't take polygamy, she should divorce the man instead of putting up drama or bringing forth chaos.