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Kobojunkie:
1. Look, even Satan was created by God, that doesn't make him holy now, does it?

2. I am not the one who condemns your churches. Jesus Christ, the King over Heaven and over Hell .I.e. the Kingdom of God, did that.

The House of God is in the hearts of the individuals who belong to Jesus Christ and not your churches - John 14 vs 15 - 25 .

3. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, the one who is the Word out of God's own mouth. Again, your Bible is simply a compendium of books written by different human authors in different human languages. There is nothing holy about works born of human hands.

2. What jesus was preaching is to give our heart to him, it's what matters the most not the building. But through the unity among early christians we have assemblies. The early assembly in d bible what will you call it?
3. And how do we know jesus christ?
There're a lot to know about the word of God. It's a mystery, only the grace of GOD.

Kobojunkie:
Again, God disavow your churches. So when you insert your church between God and His own,what you do is attempt to give glory that belongs to God to your churches, same way the Pharisees before you did.

No God no earth, man e.t.c are we giving glory to the works of God or God himself?
I pray God gives you understanding.

@kobojunkie
You seem not to understand the bible at all.
Those that started the missionary/assembly (those that head the assembly "the elders, deacons e.t.c" after jesus ascension, what are they?
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@kobojunkie
And without God inspiration and breathing to the church, christianity won't be were it is today.
Stop condeming the church, it is the house of God, i pray you have more understanding about the word of God "bible" and the church to see d relationship between the two.
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Kobojunkie:
1. Again, It is understandable dat u believe dat as it reveals u ve indeed swallowed, hook, line and sinker, propaganda fed you by ur churches dat God is practically impotent without it.
2. B4 ur churches came into existence, d Truth of God was spread far nd wide by God Himself. D same God who convinced d first apostles 2 abandon all that they had ever known, loved and owned for His sake, is still today, convincing dose who truly seek Him d same way. He used Jesus Christ to teach His apostles, and He still uses His Word to teach even today.
Yes I understand very well that you have convinced yourself that even where God Himself directly intervenes, the glory must go to your churches, nd I am not going to try to stop you.
3. D one who gave to me is God. However, I do understand dat like the Pharisees and their blind followers, you also need to claim glory for ur churches.

Again, no one is giving glory to the church, without God no church.

Kobojunkie:
1. I didn't use it any differently than I did the history book I had initially read, and your church canons means nothing since it isn't a holy book as you lot like to pretend. And the reason being you don't even know what it means to say a thing is Holy.

2. That makes no sense at all. I read the letters and I accept the opinions expressed as expressed. Why that translates to meaning I follow their admonishments you have yet to explain.

3. But your shrine which you call churches have absolutely nothing to do with God, and this according to God Himself.

1. It doesn't change anything. It was through God inspiration that's why we call it "holy bible".
2. I think you're beginning to agree with my point, later you'll agree 100% just for a while. You accepting their letter also means you follow their admonishment.
3. It was just a comparison, can't you read and comprehend?!!!

@kobojunkie
I meant too stupid to accept our lord teaching. lol. you better change and stop deceiving urself.
Churches are based on jesus teaching, except for the false prophet.
With your comments and replies it shows you've fallen into the hand of a false pastor b4, don't use dat to judge, not all pastors are false,even jesus didn't say all prophet will be false he only said many not all.
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Kobojunkie:
1. It is understandable dat u believe dat as it reveals u ve indeed swallowed, hook, linend sinker, propaganda fed you by ur churches dat God is practically impotent withoutit.
2. I already told u it isn't, bu udon'twantto believe since in your mind, u ve convincedurself dat even where GodHimself directly intervenes, d glory mustgo to ur churches.
3. Ur churches represent d gates of Hell aka d broad gatedat leads d multitudes to eternal destructionaka Hell. I mean with over 2 billion who submitdemselves regularlyto dat which is Antichrist aka against dat commandedby Jesus Christ,whatelse do u think?

1. Without church dose things i have mentioned won't exist, it was the inspirationof God.
2. no one's giving church d glory, but itwas tru church u knw salvation, or what u're sayin isdat, without church u'll knw biblend jesus. lol
3. church's a gate to hell nd ubelieved whatwe gave u. u'll b d 1st ofhell cand, God'll punish u for being too stupid.

Kobojunkie:
1. Everything you listed there have absolutely nothing to do with God nd d things of God. Even ur claimed Holy book is nothing more dan a compendium of books compiled from writings of different authors, penned in different humans languages to be read and understood by human minds. Nothing holy about any of that. That you elevate these things in your existence does not make them of the Almighty. They are of men, but not of God.
2. Again, what admonishments do you continue to harp on. I am a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of His apostles/servants.
3. Your shrine has nothing to do with God. That is what God said and I believe God..

1. But you used those compedium book as a source, don't forget it was canon by the church.
2. Once u read d books of d apostles nd accept it, then u've followed their admonishment, which u can't avoid nor deny.
3. I was just making camparison there, don't be eager to reply, read and understand.

@kobojunkie
If you like argue from today till tomorrow.
Without church "no bible, no christianity, no salvation, no evangelism" it was the church that brought all about this through the insipiration of the holy spirit. Believe it or not, it doesn't change anything.
You can't even denied that it was the christians evangelism that made you tested your faith.
He has built the church on the rock and the gate of hell will never prevail.
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@kobojunkie
The church you're condemning, brought about christianity, the holy book you're holding, evangelism, dates of the week, months of the year, christmas, easter all that, and none of this you condemned, hmmmn, don't be confused. Though it was personal consultation, but you heard before consulting.

Do you want to tell me you don't follow the admonishment of the apostles in the bible?

What you're saying is just like condeming the shrine after getting answer to your request from ifa, shrine were ifa words are canon, and where ifa worshipping arose lol. Common think!!!
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Kobojunkie:
1. Yes, every single one of them told the best lie possible but each time I walked away even more repulsed at how senseless it all seemed.

2. Like I said before now, my deciding to seek answers from God had nothing to do with the lies fed me of God by your so-called evangelists. I had existential questions that needed answering and since all others failed at providing me answers I decided to seek a God, any God to give me answers. The one who replied was the Adonai.

Lol, i will open your understanding to something.
1. They preached to u before u tested ur faith. Definetely you got to know d bible nd jesus through churches, without churches nd evangelists you won't know jesus, believe it or not.
2. Only holy spirit and God gives answer to requests, and understanding 2 d ignorance. Because u asked dem questions nd they couldn't answer doesn't mean they're false, don't forget u know bible nd jesus tru evangelism. No church no christianity, true fact.

@kobojunkie
Once again churches are based on the teaching of jesus christ.

Jesus didn't not mentioned it to the disciples not to go to a church, they even started the early missionary.

You said we preach doctrines and not the teaching of jesus, while we preach with the bible, do the propagation of the gospel jesus commanded us to do, and the perform signs and wonders he said we would do. "Ye would do more than what i did", this is to show that jesus is with us, we don't need an advice from you, jesus is our mentor.

And to your last question, "condemning the church, because you felt they aren't doing the right thing is a personal belief, and it's called doctrine". Your view as a christian, your preachings and your way of life is your doctrine.
Your view condemns the churches, your preachings and way of life also condemn the church. Now tell how that isn't your doctrine? And don't forget you preach your way of life linking it with the bible the way churches does.
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@kobojunkie
Keep defending ur lies.
(4) you became a born again christian because God answered your request, if i get you clear.
Lot of people, i mean lot of people gave that same testimony.
The questions is this, be sincere this time around.
1. Have you been preached to before you became a born again christian?
2. Was it what the christians were saying or said that made you tested your faith and God answered your request? Or you just woke up one morning and start reading his word without being preached to before?

@kobojunkie
Stop condemning the church.

To me you are yet to become a christian. If an atheist is condemning the church and a christian to does that, what is the difference between the two? Only for you to be prentending and deceiving yourself. You are neither cold or hot he will spew you out.

Jesus also went to the temple, he said he didn't come to condemn the law but to fufill it, i don't know were you get your own interpretation of the bible.

You not going to church and condemning the churches, you are also indirectly preaching doctrines, cos that's what you believe in.
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@kobojunkie
I doubt if you know what you're saying at all.

You follow jesus and not paul, but you follow their admonishment lolz.

You condemned the churches, but you've forgotten the bible you're holding that you don't have understanding about is canon by the church lol.

You condemned the churches, but you've forgotten evangelism is made wide through the churches, and now christianity is the largest religion lol.

We preach doctrines and not the teachings of jesus, and you heard, know and got salvation through the preaching of the churchians lol.

I imagined what christianity would be or what it would have become today without churches, i'm sure "forgotten" lolz.
@kobojunkie

@kobojunkie

How do you even give your life to jesus, or what made you give your to jesus?
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@kobojunkie
It was jesus that told you not to go to church right? Becos they don't practice my teachings.

Is it the pastors act you are after or jesus? Because paul said i'm still striving.

I'm not defending nor preaching the church, there are churches that follow suit of jesus teaching, just say you haven't found one, instead of saying churches don't practice jesus teachings.
According to your assumption, over 2 billion people that worship at church are yet to be saved only those who doesn't go to church like you.
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@kobojunkie
You sound like an atheist, you don't sound like a born again christian, you read bible like a novel and no interpretation of the holy spirit. Well let leave that side.

Church is to preach the gospel and practice the teachings of jesus as we are doing now.

And moreover how do you know or why do you think churches aren't practicing the teachings of jesus? Cos i don't understand, if we should examine what you've been saying you would be the only righteous christian on earth since all churches aren't practising the teachings of jesus.
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@kobojunkie
The devil is speaking in another form.

You are a hypocrite, you felt you know all about bible.

To tell someone the way and to show someone the way no difference, is for a same purpose, to bring the lost people back to the right track.

The apostles that gathered men for the kingdom did it against jesus preachings then as you claim.

If you've fallen into the hand of a wrong pastor before and you're now using that to judge others, then, you are the greatest fool. Jesus said there shall be false prophet, he didn't say all prophet will be false, when you ought to get holy spirit to direct you to the true assembly you will be listening to preachings blindly and it affected you, you're nw using that to judge others. So you think with everything you wrote up here it will stop me from going to church abi? LOL
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@kobojunkie
I don tire for you o.
Telling someone the way, is it not same thing with showing the way? (tell someone the way and show someone the way any difference?) is it not for a purpose? Is it for the lost person to know the way? You being adamant won't change anything.

Since gathering of men for the kingdom is not against jesus teaching, the early apostles did it and we follow suit, if you can't go to church and correct them then stay at home and keep shut.

Thank God your agent haven't prevail over the church.
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Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid you are the one who continues to miss the point here.

Again, that the meaning of the word "Peter" implies "rock" does not translate to Peter being the rock on which the Church belonging to Jesus Christ is built on.

2. Peter did not start the first Church. Instead, Jesus Christ started His Church the moment He shed His blood on the cross to ratify God's New Covenant and Law upon which His Church is built.

Jesus came to show us d way to the father.

Peter nd d apostles continued the work by propagating the gospel and gathering of people to form the body of christ which is the church.

Jesus chose who will continue d work, and those who jesus chose was the one who gathered men for d kingdom nd which we call church.

So u're saying church isn't affiliated with jesus teaching, is wrong. D bible u read says "thou shall not judge so ye won't be judge" when our righteousness is like a filthy rag before God and you're condemning d church.

Kobojunkie:
1. Peter's head was a rock?

2. Jesus Christ gave the same keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to everyone of His followers in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46? So?

3. Jesus Christ also gave that very same commandment to every one of His followers - Matthew 18 vs 11 - 20.

4. As I already to you, Jesus Christ never built His Church on the head of a man who He happened to to Peter. Instead, His Church is built on the Rock that is Jesus Christ Himself, God's New Covenant Law to Judge all those who are of His Church.

Still beating around the bush, you are avoiding this question, and for your info peter means "rock".

What is your opinion about peter starting the first church, is it of his will affiliated with the government as you claim churches are, or God's will? Simple!!!

@kobojunkie
Stop quoting scriptures that are contradicting to my question.
Peter's head (rock) was the church built and the gate of hell shall never prevail, and he will give peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever he looses on earth shall be loosed in heaven, whatever he binds on earth shall be bound in heaven.
Now, what is your opinion about peter(the rock) starting the early/first church, is it of his will affiliated with government as u claim churches are or God's will?
@kobojunkie

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=113620466]2. I am afraid your statement there about Peter is based on nothing but an assumption made by men without understanding of God's Truth as Spoken by Jesus Christ.

The rock Jesus Christ spoke of is Himself, God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. It is on that Rock that His Church is built, that is why Jesus Christ said, in John 15 vs 1 - 11 , that you you must abide in Him if He is to abide in you. If you don't abide in Him, you are like a withered branch, a house built on sinking sand[quote]Stop quoting scriptures that are contradicting to my questions.
Peter's head was the church built and gate of hell shall never prevail.
What is your opinion about peter starting the early/first church is it of his will affiliated with government as u claim churches are or God's will?

Kobojunkie:
Read John 15 vs 1 - 11. There He tells you of His Church and How it is structured.

As for your churches, they are mostly affiliated with the governments and systems of this world which they are registered with.

He was talking of how we should abide in him, so he abides in us too.

Peter whose head was the church built, he started the early/first church, what's your opinion about it?

MrBrownJay1:
you see, the above proves again and again that you people dont use what you ave between your ears....if you claim that when a woman is infertile and suddenly she can have babies, it is the work of god, then wouldnt you say that if a woman isinfertile and she never have babies then thatsalso the work of your god?! or is it that you only attribute the good thingsof life to your invisible god, and if someone is not saved, then your god is not responsiblefor that, abi?!
if your supposed god has a cure for infertility, then every xtianwoman who is infertile and praying to have babies MUST THEREFORE RECEIVE the cure from your god. if some xtianwoman remain infertile then it is obvious that the cure has nothing to do with your invisible god.
USE YOUR BRAIN!!!!

God does things as he wishes, those who know his greatness worship him.
I pray u won't die before knowing the truth.

MrBrownJay1:
... and the above all got to do with your god, abi? what a shame that adult people still think like the above. i guess the day you die of an accident and/or at the hand of kidnappers, you will therefore blame your god then FOR NOT SAVING YOU, is it?!
BWAAAAAAAAAAH!

You mock your foolishness. BWAAAAAAH
You think like an infant.
I guess d day when you get sick and your doctor won't be able to save you therefore you blame your doctor for it or when several fertility tests won't work for your wife or relative, then u stab ur doctor.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

MrBrownJay1:
but of course...and i guess, these people who could be muslims, hindus (or even atheist)...it isnt THEIR gods miracle, its always "your" god who does that, abi?!?!?! here is a clue: there is something called FERTILITY TREATMENT, and this has absolutely nothing to do with any god.

Fertility treatment inside the trash.
Keep on backing the doctors who says "we don't know how it happened"
Go and read "think big" and see how "ben carson" explained God miracles in his career.

MrBrownJay1:
airbags savingdrivers from harm etc have NOTHING to do with your god..stop taking credit for the work of others....as for kidnappings, i amsorry to say that the majority get killed even after the ransom has been given. so your god is not saving all kidnappedxtians. BTW if any xtians is kidnapped, then the fraudsters in robe who receive tithe every weekend should be the one payingfor the ransom, as they have collected money exactly for that matter (aka to save xtians!)

Who is talking of air bag here? Airbag saved a passenger of 18 sitter bus, who didn't know how he got out of d bus when it tumbled,
Airbag saved me when i ought to be hitted by car didn't know or can't explain how i was moved frm dere.
Herbalist told d kidnappers he shouldn't be touched cos he's a son of God.
This're personal experience and experience ofsomeone veryclose to me.
Godprotecthispeople, except thematyred matthew 24:9 it's a prophecy nd nt all christian do God see as his own.

MrBrownJay1:
A) stop trying to take credit from all the great doctors that we should be thankful for, and not for your god... as we all know that the majority of doctors out there aint xtians....some are muslims, other are hindus and many are also atheist!
B) tell that to the billions of xtians who've died of cancer/stroke/respiratory infection/neonatal conditions/diabetes/alzheimer/kidney disease etc while fervently praying for your "god" to heal them...

I've seen why we shouldn't argue with someone of a reprobate mind.
"think big by ben carson" shows there're healings that're beyond doctors knowledge.
Alot of people have i known that're healed from sickness without doctor intervention only prayers, alot of barren women recieve dere own child, barreness of yrs, i've one very close to m dat i won't disclose here was barren for four years, so many tests, but found no solution until d lord intervened, doctors provide children? Unless if God don't want to.

Kobojunkie:
1. in the first, if you carefully note the conditional if there, you will see that isn't a command that you gather but instead a statement suggesting that if more than one is present in a situation, He too is there with them in that situation. If 2 or 3 make an agreement believing in Him , He top is there with them..
2. In the second, Jesus Christ speaks to you of a Church which He builds of His own, not by the hands or intentions of men, but by Him and Him alone.
His Church is built and controlled by Him and Him alone. Your churches have absolutely no affiliation with His.

So what is jesus church?
I got u our churches are affiliated with kobojunkie