₦airaland Forum

FrLukas:
Since we are posting pictures, let's remind ourselves what the rest of Aba looks like, shall we

Na you Sabi, i'v said what I said

chukwuibuipob:
I'm from University community, Nsukka .Nor go kee yourself .I don't support Evil ipob

Ewedu man, be proud of your ewedu heritage

Etinosa1234:
They have in common doesn't mean one is the father of one...

Got it

That was never the point though

LegendHero:
Lol

Igalas can be said to be Yoruba sub-group and that gives credence to my assertions that the Igbos most time derive their cultural/historical authenticity by attaching to the Yorubas.

You made mention that Igbos had Afa, just go now on google and look for where Afa originated from, it originated majorly from the Northern Igbos.

Even if you look at it, the Igalas conquered many Northern Igbo mini-states like Opi, Nsukka, Nsugbe, and etc.

Even if we are going to now link all these things back, It will still lead to the authentic one Ifa (Yoruba).

Or will you deny Afa originated mostly from Northern Igbo?

Afa divinition is found in all parts of igboland, my town is not in Northern igboland but The belief in AfA was used extensively in settling disputes, inquiring about lives and reincarnations and so on, yorubas just over blew the whole thing when it got to them.

Afa never originated from yoruba, yorubas got it from Igbos through igala

Etinosa1234:
This ur tribe?

Exactly what I'm trying to say, All this existing histories have one thing in common, they are mostly fairy tales that must be re-examined and reviewed with an open mind, They are currently historical jokes when compared to histories of other parts of the world

Etinosa1234:
Seems overran has a new meaning

Lol... Little resistance means overran...

Benin were not even interested in the battle...

Lest I forget...weren't u chased back

Little or no resistance is what you put up and it was overran with little or no effort

LegendHero:
Banking on folktale when most of what I say is derived from the 16 Odu Ifa which you can compare to the bible and Quran of the foreign religions.

Just go online and read a little bit about the Odu-Ifas and see how intelligent our ancestors are in trying to create Ifa as a metaphysical mapping as a cognitive matrix. Each of the 16 Odus carry meaning and the culture of Yorubas are also embedded in them.

Have you wondered why the Yoruba culture and history are widely studied by historians with keen interest? Even among the African slaves transported across the Atlantic, the Yoruba culture is the strongest which explain why we have people with strong ties to their ancestors in the Americas. That culture is supreme and you don't need to do too much research before you can see it manifest in the Yoruba life daily.

I really feel sorry for you as an Igbo because even your kinsmen are dissociating themselves from their Igbo culture because they have nothing historical to be proud of about it. That is why you are struggling to lay the claim that all cultures are fabricated because your own culture is obviously Fabricated.

So your culture is based on divinition and not recorded history or archeological findings?...No wonder Your people believe harvesting peoples head will somehow give them money

Etinosa1234:
Don't cry because we don't believe ur folktales

But no reasonable person will believe your folktales, Imagine European historians came to Bini and the Oba started telling them how the land was formerly ruled by Ogisos who where Sky beings, What a joke of a history

MinorityOpinion:
I swear, their history no favour their ego, no wonder smaller tribes in SS don't wanna associate with them

No wonder Ijebu people vehemently deny Yoruba ancestry, your History is a bunch of fairytales stringed together to sound like truth

Etinosa1234:
So the Oba palace that have housed all the previous Obas and seen things should leave tradition and listen to ipob miscreants
Pathetic

ObA PaLAce shOUld lEarN fRom mE

Oba of Bini that Wike bought with money to lie about ikwerre people

LegendHero:
Banking on folktale where most of what I say is derived from the 16 Odu Ifa which you can compare to the bible and Quran of the foreign religions.

Just go online and read a little bit about the Odu-Ifas and see how intelligent our ancestors are in trying to create Ifa as a metaphysical mapping as a cognitive matrix. Each of the 16 Odus carry meaning and the culture of Yorubas are embedded in them.

Have you wondered why the Yoruba culture and history are widely studies by historians with keen interest? Even among the African slaves transported across the Atlantic, the Yoruba culture is the strongest which explain why we have people with strong ties to their ancestors in the Americas. That culture is supreme and you don't need to do too much research before you can see it manifest in the Yoruba life daily.

I really feel sorry for you as an Igbo because even your kinsmen are dissociating themselves from the culture because they have nothing historical to be proud of about it. That is why you are struggling to lay the claim that all cultures are fabricated because your own culture is obviously Fabricated.

loool!!! Where did you get the IFA divinition from?....Igbos have AfA, Bini has Eha, the igalas call their own IFA too.....Stop feeling so fly, IFA divinition preceds Yoruba people and their tradition

LegendHero:
Lol. You are truly a comedian!

You guys are the real comedians for making up elaborate folk stories overtime and trying to turn it into truth

LegendHero:
Lol, you should speak about your own culture which is obviously non-existent or not that important for historians to take keen interest in it.

Again, you guys just see statements and think they should translate to the literary terms but most of those statements can only be understood by the initiated. That is why we have the concept of Awo and Ogberi.

You should rather devote your time to study your own culture devoid of false assertions and try to be original.

I am studying my history and culture Objectively, You are still banking on folktales.....All of us must study our history objectively with an open mind

MinorityOpinion:
I swear, their history no favour their ego, no wonder smaller tribes in SS don't wanna associate with them

History shouldn't be about Ego, history is about facts.... History in Nigeria especially the southern parts has been replaced with folktales like someone falling from heaven without parachute, We must start using our heads

[quote author=Etinosa1234 post=92742393][/quote]Eweka is a corruption of iweka which means Anger is better, Bini Obas ruled with so much anger

LegendHero:
Brother this is the last time I will engage you on this issue and listen attentively.

Yoruba culture and theology is too vast for you to just come up and start parroting words and their meaning.

In Yoruba theology, Ori means a lot of things and one of it's many form is the Iponri

The ibori (sometimes ipori or iponri) symbolizes the ‘inner head’, that is the individual’s personal destiny (ori means head).

Like I said earlier, One's ori-inu (spiritual consciousness in the physical realm) must grow in order to consummate union with one's "Iponri" (Ori Orun, spiritual self).

That is why till today, the Ifa priests perform some ritual called "Ibori" and usually used to cleanse the Ori.

In the Iba’se (i.e. the prayer of praise), Iponri occured in that Ifa and occurred in other Odus of Ifa.
Iba Olodumare
Iba Ogege, Oba ti ngb’ aiye gun
Iba Onile
Iba Elawori
Iba’se ila Oorun
Iba’se iwo Oorun
Iba Ori
Iba Ori inu
Iba Iponri ti o wa l’Orun (Homage to the Spirit of the Higher Self who lives in the Invisible Realm of the Ancestors).
Iba Orunmila, Eleri ipin iku dudu atewo, oro to si gbogbo ona
etc.

The Yoruba culture is a living thing and not a product of fabrication. It is an authentic culture and you can't just come here as an uninitiated and think you will understand all word in literary terms.

Most African history and culture is purely a piece of fabrication with no form of reliable record, Don't beat chest here or you explain to me who gave Oduduwa parachute that he used to descend from heaven

Etinosa1234:
Lol...... Iweka...

Even the oba palace has never heard of such name..
The oba palace only knows owomika not iweka...

Goan tell ur folktales to the Yoruba pple... They'll love it more

You clearly do not have enough knowledge of Bini to even be here , The first Bini Oba was Eweka |, Aiguobasinwin ovoramwen also took the title Eweka || to rule

Etinosa1234:
Perfect way to run from the argument..

The same way Ojukwu ran when he saw that he lost the war

Atleast we overran Bini before anything, where was your Bini warriors

Etinosa1234:
Still no proof abt that..

Only spiritual influence...

But u said Bini royals didn't have Nri blood b4...
Why are u confused

You must be mistaking me for someone else

Etinosa1234:
U guys were mainly useless priests... politically and military...U guys were useless

You guys were more useless for have only 1 local government in Nigeria today despite all your expeditions

Etinosa1234:
When did I call u guys proud...

Hope u know who u are mentioning

I'm talking about the Yorubas

Etinosa1234:
Stick to ur bushes... y'all were only having spiritual influence...
Just like the Roman Catholic influences the Catholic in Nigeria...
Stop overhyping ur poor history

It wasn't only spiritual, Bini royals had NRI blood

Etinosa1234:
Sammy07
And other Yorubas... y'all should not be angry when Igbo tell u that Yoruba is an offshoot of their Language

They are plainly suffering from low self-esteem

Low self esteem?...I thought you guys said Igbos were proud and arrogant, now it's low self esteem

Etinosa1234:
This ur hero

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

i have touched on this before, This migrations were most likely descendants of the Nri Royals in Bini who started leaving for different reasons, EZEchima is unarguably an Igbo name, I don't understand how Zik couldnt put two and two together to understand that they were always Igbos who left Bini and not Bini indigenes fleeing bini...All the evidence in this account point to that fact, look at the name Gbunwala, a word with a complete Igbo meaning

Etinosa1234:
ThAT nAmE mEaNS OfornwE

Ofor is an NRI sign of authority and justice, my grandpa had one, it can come in any shape and size but must come from the ofor tree

Sammy07:
Oduduwa brought IFA to Yorubas Okay I hear you

yea, even my moniker is one of the parlances used in AfA divinition in Igboland to show you how much I know about it

Etinosa1234:
Ovonramwen that is purely a Benin man..

Ovonramwen means rising Sun in Benin

Igbo people Dom Dey revise am to suit their fiction
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovonramwen

Obalatule ...how much dem dey charge u per lies

lol, that name means Oforanwe and people still bear the surname in igboland today