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Etinosa1234:
Funny you...I should ask my oba abt something that happened years be4 he was lieing??

Like ur government controlled Obi doesn't tell lies like a commoner

Prove ur claims...U didn't ask ur eze b4 talking trash...I don't think u need his permission to post ur proof

Thank God for the early Portuguese explorers. Please read and weep

Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

Sammy07:
That's why I didn't even argue with him further. Someone what doesn't know what IFA entails will know the meaning of Oduduwa He actually wanted me to tell him the full transcription of his name.

Oh ifa is what you don't want to mention?... Do u know Igbos call their divinition AfA?, Binis call it Eha?, I've forgotten the name for igala.... Oduduwa brought this divinition to yorubas

LegendHero:
I’m not surprised tho.

You Igbos don’t have any culture worthy of emulation and you must always attach yourself to the Yoruba culture before you can at least give your own an iota of authenticity.

Abi how would I as an observer fathom the thought behind an Igbo man saying Oduduwa is an Igbo name/ Igbo man when all evidence available to historians and humankind point to the contrary.

At least you guys should try to be natural and original, even if you want to lie, at least present a convincing lie and stop ridiculing yourself by saying jargons online.

There is no evidence anywhere bros, what you have is folktales that a certain Oduduwa fell from the sky, Most if your history especially the ancient ones are folklore and moonlight tales, Igbos didn't indulge in that as such

OfoIgbo:
Believe you me, the Oba Nri that made mention of this to me, is a highly respected titled man in Agukwu, whose great grand father was even an Eze Nri.

This Oba was highly respected by Prof. Onwuejeogwu and the rest. And his class are not those that make assertions willy-nilly. I will not be interested in this mission if it was coming from a less serious source, and remember this person knows about shrines and what it takes to maintain them, and the exact way Umu Nri priests carry this task out, and the fact that his people have already been down there and observed the way the shrine is maintained.

This people know the differences between the various neighbouring customs of maintaining shrines, so I will investigate it.

It was this class of people who were telling everyone that wished to listen that Benin was under Nri, and people called them fools and revisionists. If the Portuguese hadn't recorded it, you will be seeing them as IPOB replica.

I was even the person that brought the Portuguese evidence to butress what they have always said. and the Portuguese records even went further, than they ever told me. This Oba only ever told me that Nri had a relationship with Benin in the past, and that past Obas had to send emissaries to collect their OFORs from Eze Nri, but the Portuguese record even went further.

Believe you me, I have more confidence in him than some nameless nairaland miscreants who are bent on destroying the Igbo heritage.

Do know the Oba on the throne during the punitive expeditions by the British is Nogbaisi ovoramnwen?...I'm sure I dont need to explain that F and V are interchangeable in Anambra dialects of Igbo, his surname is clearly ofor ora nwe And glaringly an NRI name, Nobody can fool anybody again Bini kings were Nri

valirex:
When people confuse stupidity for cleverness is the result of what you're doing. You think by mixing few letters together you can rewrite history but you are wrong, you can continue with your lies it will only end up like a water poured into a basket .

It's not a lie of its fact bro, what are you saying

Sammy07:
lol Oduduwa means something bro. That's not his full name just like Fayemi and mimiko ain't their full name you can't even translate their names to English except you translate it from their full names. I've told you that in ODUDUWA, the WA is the short form of IWA which means character. I won't tell you the full ODUDU go and make more research. A Yoruba guy would easily spot his full name even if he guessed it

Research kor , Oduduwa is a pure Igbo name and has multiple Igbo meanings....your god is an Igbo man

Etinosa1234:
I don't support the theory that Oba of Benin came from Oduduwa... check my post

Igue is a festival that celebrate Oba Ewuare 1 Powers,...it was never from Igbo...

Bring proof of ur assumptions and stop lieing

Proof? Go and ask your oba in private, if he has any atom of honesty left he ll tell you

Sammy07:
doesn't mean anything. The closet meaning I can give is mo n ri - I am seeing it or oponri something like forehead

ok nah, just like you can't give any reasonable meaning of Oduduwa

Etinosa1234:
And if u believe that the nri Kingdom were the founder of the Benin monarchy , then in a land Of gullible ... u'll be king there

Where did I say NRI was the founder of Bini monarchy?....Nri and it's descendants held influence in Bini kingdom as priests #fact

Etinosa1234:
Proof or

so what does your Wikipedia write up prove?..the same Wikipedia that says Oduduwa fell from heaven with chain
....igue is the Bini version of iguaro, and like the Igbos it used to be celebrated with human heads, this heads must come from foreigners not Nri Descendants

Etinosa1234:
Lol...So when interacting with people ...U strong ur face like who see shit?

Alaye...Ur talk of laffing is nonsense...

Even ur Igbo governors laugh with Buhari

Think reasonably bro

if you watched that video and honestly believe the oba of Benin meant what he was saying then you must be very gullible

Etinosa1234:
Lol...So when interacting with people ...U strong ur face like who see shit?

Alaye...Ur talk of laffing is nonsense...

Even ur Igbo governors laugh with Buhari

Think reasonably bro

You are the one not thinking reasonably here, if an ikwerre person who are now officially Bini shildren were to converse with you as a Bini man, do you think you will understand a word?

BabaRamota1980:
Glaring to people of autonomous villages.

K

Etinosa1234:
I'm sure he told u abt the script he was playing

Did you watch the video?, Why did he laugh when he said it?....it obviously sounded like a joke, But rivers oil money was too enticing an offer

BabaRamota1980:
This tactic of knowing about other people history so you can exploit it for your advantage is how you have built a written and online record of Igbo history. What you posess online and in text has no matching foundation in real terms. In other words, there is disconnect between who you purport to be and who you really are. When you find the shrine and its name return here to share, I will give you the history of Iponri back when it was an Abule, all the way from costain back to the railway yard in Yaba. You are lost!

Noone is exploiting anybody, this are discussions about things that are too Glaring to be ignored

OfoIgbo:
OK, let me go slightly further.

Any Igbo man reading this should be seated, lest you break your computer screen or kick your shoes at your TV screen.

There is a place called IPONRI, in Lagos.
For those who understand modern Yoruba writings IPO in Yoruba will be pronounced as IKPO in Igbo.

Igbos at times go by the title ONO NA IKPO AKU, which means SEATED ON A HEAP OF WEALTH. Basically IKPO means HEAP in English.

Now getting back to my tale, in IPONRI, there is a shrine there till today, which is maintained, exactly the same way the Umu Nris maintain shrines.

What this means, is that Nris (Igbos) made it to Lagos in ancient times. With this in mind, IPONRI now assumes a different meaning as it would have meant NRI JOINT or NRI SETTLEMENT or NRI HEAP.

It was an Oba in Agukwu that informed me of this in Dec 2019, and I had in mind to visit the place and look for this shrine, unfortunately Coronavirus had other plans for the nation

What I am trying to say is that Igbos made it way past Ife. Igbos are extremely ancient people

I swear I have always had the notion that NRI priests got as far as Lagos in company of Bini warriors, it's very very likely

UdechiHD:
Nah! Ikwerre has nothing with Benin/Nri. Ikwerre origin is of Aro making. Sorry to say this but the Ikwerre themselves are hiding their true history, same as the Okrikans. For the Ikwerre, they have a slavery past. The Aros used what used to be part Etcheland/Ekpeye/Owerri to build a slave camp where captured hinterland slaves were kept to be shipped to the Americas. However, the end of slavery made the Aros to form a people of both Diali(freeborns) and Osu into a large kindred (Ikwerre). Okpo Wagidi of Isiokpo with the aid of other migrant hinterlanders merged the Ikwerre into one Chiefdom. This is why Isiokpo is the traditional head of all Ikwerreland.

This is very plausible, Wike went and cajoled the oba of Benin to say ikwerre was from Bini, The oba was even laughing when he was playing the script

OfoIgbo:
Truth be told, they are all Igbo (most probably Nri people) who were on religious/cultural assignment to Benin, and then went elsewhere to settle.

They all had very strong Igbo identity, until of recent that some of them allowed themselves to be veiled by lies coming from Benin.
Even Ikwerre ancestors named one of their settlements UmuIgbo/RumuIgbo which was a clear statement as to their ancestry, but the 419 nature of Nigeria has confused them totally, that they now lack knowledge of self.

The Ikwerre situation is akin to a father, prostrating before his son and declaring that his son is his father. It should be Benin prostrating to these people, and not the other way round.

As an Nri man, if I visit the Oba of Benin's palace, I will not bow. That is an Nri-Igbo privilege. Even if I am accompanied by the highest ranking Benin titled man, he will have to bow before the oba, but I will not bow.
We now have an odd situation, where very possibly Nri descendants, have allowed their history to be so twisted, to the extent that they now have to bow to a monarch, who they shouldn't bow to. ABOMINATION!!!!!!

Abomination no be small o, Onitsha is the funniest case, they claim to have migrated from Bini led by a leader called Ezechima, that alone didn't tell them they were Igbos that may have lived in Bini for a long period of time, they claim to have left Bini cos the oba disrespected their Udo shrine, Udo is a well known Igbo deity....it's just funny when a group of people mix up their own history to their detriment

Hotice085:
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Before I say anything further I can see you are a proud Abriba son but are you an IPOB rat or an IBO man?
The two are very different and I have a follow up question, depends on you answer

I thought you were from Ákwà ibom, whats your own here?

Sammy07:
Even their dance floor no strong, all are speculations and guesses no written documents /pictures and evidence to counter

pictures, written documents from 3000bc? You high?.....Only archeological evidence will bury the folk tales you have been thought to believe once and for all

BabaRamota1980:
You are just bangind table top to create noise, you have no such antiquity that you claim on. Your history has failed to stand on its own without any attachment to Yoruba arts. In fact look at the topic of your thread. It shows your desperation to manipulate what your so called history for acceptabce in public. Arts and history should speak for itself and catch attention, not forced for acceptance. If Yoruba contents in your history is removed your concocted fables of ancient history will collapse.

Please state the yoruba arts in Igbo history

UdechiHD:
Igala people are a fusion of present Yoruba, Igbo, Benin, Jukun and later Hausa. However, their language and culture is a mix of Yoruba, Igbo and Jukun.

That seems plausible, I think there is also a Bini element in it

Sammy07:
lol just tell me you want me to io say it. Except Yorubas that ain't versed in history will not know the meaning of Oduduwa, I intentionally tell you his last name iwa shortened as (wa) that's not his full name just like Fayemi, mimiko those surnames are not their full names it was just shorten

But you clearly do not have any meaningful thing to say, I have very learned yoruba people that have accepted they can't find any meaning for Oduduwa in yoruba language

MinorityOpinion:
Sammy07, leave them they are in fantasy land, when an orphan is playing mom and dad game, you that have parent should not tell him they are not real.

Follow the lead of your Ooni and question the folk tales you have been made to believe over the years, ask for facts don't rely stories...Oduduwa fell from heaven with a chain? What a joke

UdechiHD:
This is why we need an historical revolution in Igboland based on facts and archeological findings. The limited history of Dike, Onwuejogwu, Isichei etc who submerged Igbo history with shallow hearsay should be thrown to the dustbin.

Absolutely, the major hindrance is that the acidic property of the soil in West Africa degrades archeological items much faster than any other part of the world, but still

OfoIgbo:
Their Igbo bloodline carried on into the Benin empire, as the first oba was still an Nri man, Oba Iweka (EWEKA)

it's a fact that the Oba title originated from Nri passed to the Bini from where the Yorubas picked it and blew it up

Sammy07:
Yoruba language doesn't have GW but ondo dialects, ekiti and some Yorubas dialects has GW so what are you saying stop writing what you don't know

aren't you leaving out the fact that those parts borders kogi and igala land directly and may have picked it up from being in close proximity?....ok explain the absence of the other letters

OfoIgbo:
Just a little expose on Nri overlordship of Benin, below is a snippet of what the Portuguese explorers of the late 1400s wrote about the relationship

Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

How this part of history was totally ignored by everybody including the Igbos themselves still baffles me a lot, there is no telling what further archeological research may open up

Sammy07:
lol even igalas were the earliest offshoots of Yorubas reason why their language is 70% Yoruba. You can't understand igala language while I can

Lots of igala sounds and letters are missing from Yoruba language but present in Igbo, "gw" , "kw", "ch" ,"Z" ,"V" "GH" and few others

Sammy07:
lol keep making yourself happy oo, even his name (iwa - means character) I won't tell you what Odudu means continue making yourself happy, I'm out

lol, you can't offer any meaning of Oduduwa in Yoruba language, just like you can't explain the name "Yoruba" itself

Sammy07:
lol yes I know better than Ooni, yet you guys didn't agree with Ikewerrepikin when he said they're from Benin. He even showed videos of benin king visiting Wike

Nobody is arguing where ikwerre is from,....it is absolutely plausible that ikwerre is from Bini, they may be descendants of NRI priests and emissaries that left Bini

Onitsha people and the Anioma of delta fall into this category too.

Their typical characteristics is that they know they came from Bini but they posses Igbo culture and language which they can't explain

Sammy07:
. So where is the igboness in them? Lol I'm done with you. Thank God we don't share borders

if you didn't know Igbos and igalas intermingled and intermarried then you really should leave this thread, there are still complete Igbo towns in odolu and igalamela LGAs as of today