Culture › Re: Why Ife Is Not Yoruba Land, It Belongs To The Igbos - Ooni by Obalatule: 7:57am On Apr 07, 2021*. Modified: 8:19am On Apr 07, 2021 |
On the claim by Babatunde lawal that copper was not readily available around the igbo area in the 9th century to support such artworks, Thurstan shaw himself had the screenshoted to say:
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Culture › Re: Why Ife Is Not Yoruba Land, It Belongs To The Igbos - Ooni by Obalatule: 7:47am On Apr 07, 2021 |
About Mr. Babatundes claims that the preservation of the textiles point to a much later date even though he knew how proximity to copper and bronze preserves materials, he went ahead to fraudulently claim there were no copper around the find.
Thurstan shaw had this to say about Babatunde lawals claim "It is difficult to understand how anyone who had read pp. 240-2 of Igbo- Ukwu with any attention could have made such a statement, since ten textile specimens are there described as being asso- ciated with copper or bronze objects, and six others as being actually wrapped around them.
I'm sure you must have come across this dismissal by Thurstan shaw himself but chose to be blind
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Culture › Re: Why Ife Is Not Yoruba Land, It Belongs To The Igbos - Ooni by Obalatule: 7:40am On Apr 07, 2021 |
TAO11: Don’t think, know instead.
And if you claim to know, then name me one expert who claimed to have dated the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ themselves. None! Not even Thurstan Shaw.
Yes, it is only fair that all scholarly articles should publish the assumed date pending when a definitive work will pinpoint the ‘bronzes’ to their later dates.
But if we’re asking about the nature of the dates usually associated with the ‘bronzes,’ we have read from the horse’s mouth that they aren’t factual or conclusive.
What has been dated are some composite charcoal samples, as well as a piece of wood from what was interpreted as a stool.
And the radiocarbon dates obtained for these samples (charcoal, wood, etc.) are the very ones submitted by none other than Professor Thurstan Shaw.
He simply assumed that the dates from these charcoals and wood should be the same date for the ‘bronzes’. What you posted here is at best a half-truth or possibly a straight falsehoodThustan shaw never wrote the paper you quoted to discredit the antiquity or age of the Igbo-ukwu artifacts as you would like readers to believe. infact this paper was a response to people like like Dr babatunde lawal and T.northtrup that raised objections to his 9th - 11th century dating of Igbo-ukwu, This paper was to strengthen his earlier stance, but in shear desperation you tried to pass this off as disclaimer, Kindly point me to where Thurstan shaw stated that his earlier datings of Igbo-ukwu were false if not that they require further archeological study to precisely establish the date? Dr Babatunde lawal was busy putting up a straw-man and knocking it down even qouting what was not in Mr shaws original report on Igbo-ukwu, All his unfounded claims about Igbo-ukwu being from the 16th century were rubbished by thurstan shaw in this same paper and i will now post screenshots
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Culture › Re: Why Ife Is Not Yoruba Land, It Belongs To The Igbos - Ooni by Obalatule: 5:44pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
TAO11: The dates associated with the ‘bronzes’ are those published by Thurstan Shaw. And the bronzes themselves weren’t dated.
You can only hope for more work in the future which will in fact pinpoint the actual latter date argued by Shaw himself and others.
———————— “SUMMARY In the discussion of the reliance which should be placed on the Igbo-Ukwu radiocarbon dates, it is necessary to make certain that what evidence we have is correctly used. The precise locations of the samples used for dating are recalled and possible sources of error discussed. Consideration is given to the arguments for a date later than that suggested by the radiocarbon dates, stemming from the state of preservation of the textiles, the character of the beads, the pottery evidence, analogies with the presumed dating of Ife and Benin, the quantity and the source of the copper, and what is known of pre-European trading patterns in West Africa. The latter is probably the most serious objection to a very early date, but the question will only be settled with the acquisition of more archaeological evidence.”
~ Thurstan Shaw, “Those Igbo-Ukwu Radiocarbon Dates: Facts, Fictions and Probabilities”, The Journal of African History, Vol. 16, No. 4, (1975), p.517. I think more radiocarbon datings have been carried out on the Igbo-ukwu artifacts, The date on all scholarly articles is pegged at 9th century, After Thurstan shaw a whole lot of other anthropologists have worked with the artifacts and none mentioned a later date |
Culture › Re: Why Ife Is Not Yoruba Land, It Belongs To The Igbos - Ooni by Obalatule: 8:07am On Apr 06, 2021 |
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Politics › Re: HERE IS PROOF OF IPOB ATTACK by Obalatule: 8:45pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
The popular narrative over the years is to heap everything wrong with Nigeria on IGBOS, They even tried to link boko haram itself to Igbos |
Fashion › Re: Kleopatra Vargas Wins Miss Toddler USA America Nation 2021 by Obalatule: 6:51pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
Crixxx: This polo really looks good 100% Aba made, It will soon go on sale |
Fashion › Re: Kleopatra Vargas Wins Miss Toddler USA America Nation 2021 by Obalatule: 6:29pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
Even IGBO toddlers dey represent Igbo makaa nu!!!!
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Politics › Re: Video Of Buhari’s Supporters At Abuja House In London by Obalatule: 6:01pm On Apr 05, 2021*. Modified: 3:11pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Why dont they return and live in Nigeria, Wickedness is when you left to live in London but you are telling Nigerians in Nigeria They are strong together |
Culture › Re: Mrs In Igbo by Obalatule: 8:16am On Apr 05, 2021 |
"Oriaku" |
Politics › Re: The Final Proof That We Were The Ancient Egyptians by Obalatule: 11:29pm On Apr 04, 2021 |
Even Chinese
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Politics › Re: Breaking News Arewa Groups Ask Igbos To Leave Northern Nigeria. by Obalatule: 4:12pm On Apr 04, 2021 |
Resurrection212: Shut up you are already peeing In your body. Mr Adeyinka are you tired of claiming igbo? 
Bringing 2017 news and editing it is the height of your Uselessness, Infact most igbos want this news to be true anyway |
Culture › Re: Igbo Has No History Before The White Man Came by Obalatule: 3:18pm On Apr 04, 2021 |
Simplyleo: I agree with the op 100% Zombies are too dull to understand sarcasm, I'm not surprised
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Politics › Re: Video: All Herdsmen Disappeared After Killing My People In Ebonyi by Obalatule: 11:43am On Apr 04, 2021 |
This is for people that think there are good and bad Fulani, If the AK-47 wielding Fulani attack a community chances are they are in cohort with the resident fulani |
Politics › Re: Awolowo Azikiwe Waziri Meet To Negotiate In 1979 by Obalatule: 9:01pm On Apr 03, 2021 |
Resurrection212: You are unfortunate being you are not Yoruba now you are trying to cause problems here i'm yoruba and our past leaders like Awolowo made us not to progress, all our people are running to lagos and forget their home state, all the other states in our yoruba land is empty with only old people in brown roof bungalows, i'm really ashamed to be yoruba |
Politics › Re: Awolowo Azikiwe Waziri Meet To Negotiate In 1979 by Obalatule: 8:58pm On Apr 03, 2021 |
johnmartus: Guy keep your distance before I curse you here .No man or woman from southeast dead or living greater than Baba Awolowo. All sensible yoruba like me have cursed Awolowo, the man sold us cheap |
Politics › Re: Awolowo Azikiwe Waziri Meet To Negotiate In 1979 by Obalatule: 7:16pm On Apr 03, 2021 |
We yoruba should curse Awolowo everyday, Very foolish leader......look how we are living in his beloved Nigeria, all yoruba cities filled with brown roof bungalows no progress at all......other parts of Nigeria especially Igboland is seeing modernization and development, only us are stuck with ancient village called cities
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Politics › Re: History Made As Nigerian Assumes Command Of A US Navy Destroyer by Obalatule: 11:00am On Apr 03, 2021 |
kettykin: Nigerians and their infantile tirades. So igbos should not celebrate their own, but if it is Anthony Joshua we will not be allowed to rest.
Anyone ever noticed then when ever igbos makes progress abroad a certain part of the country loose their sleep and become restless Its congenital envy and jealousy towards igbos Most yoruba are born with it, Thats why i pity igbo forming De-tribalised , This snakes habour a lot of vile towards igbo people |
Politics › Re: History Made As Nigerian Assumes Command Of A US Navy Destroyer by Obalatule: 10:56am On Apr 03, 2021 |
FrLukas: [s][/s] All yoruba are stuck in perpetual envy and jealousy of igbo people
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Politics › Re: South West Govs Urged To Prioritise Establishment Of Shariah Court by Obalatule: 10:50am On Apr 03, 2021 |
yoruba land is under siege by Islamic elements but our brothers on want to talk about igbo |
Politics › Re: History Made As Nigerian Assumes Command Of A US Navy Destroyer by Obalatule: 10:47am On Apr 03, 2021 |
IvarDboneless: Oga forget dual citizenship..the west especially North American don't just give you citizenship they build you and make you become a part of them to an extent wherever you are coming from doesn't matter anymore. Abi you think say that man they reason anything Nigeria. His an American bro and his name doesn't matter it's just a name. Same thing happened in the case of that racer kid ugochukwu ugochukwu, they are all Americans. Yes, they are simply IGBOs and not Nigerian |
Politics › Re: History Made As Nigerian Assumes Command Of A US Navy Destroyer by Obalatule: 10:39am On Apr 03, 2021 |
FrLukas: You are longing story here.
There's dual citizenship and he could be one.
After all, Ngozi Okonjo Iweala is also one too and many many others.
I agree that his success has nothing to do with Nigeria and we should stop claiming people who probably had to flee the country just to be able to make it in life. But if he was yoruba all of you ewedu envious things would be shouting lagba up and downjealousy is the bane of every yoruba person
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Politics › Re: Is Dave Umahi The Best Governor In The South East? by Obalatule: 8:49am On Apr 03, 2021 |
donstan18: Ebonyi people aren’t full blooded Igbos.
Let’s be serious please. They are way different and behaves like the Hausas. Ondo and Ekiti people are not really yoruba people to be honest
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Politics › Re: Umar’s “BIAFRAN Boys” Dig Part Of Nigeria’s Unofficial Igbophobia by Obalatule: 8:37am On Apr 03, 2021 |
The is clearly a deep rooted fear of igbo people in this country and their unpredictable nature, Why is what i cant tell |
Politics › Re: Ebonyi: Inferior Igbo. A Case For Ebonyi South by Obalatule: 12:46pm On Apr 01, 2021 |
SuperBold: The inferior ones should be from Abia and Imo No its Ondo and Ogun  |
Politics › Re: Then vs Now: Amaechi Vs The Presidency Kano-Maradi Rail lies? by Obalatule: 6:38pm On Mar 31, 2021 |
Always lying through their teeth, Tueh for this failed country |
Health › Re: Fear Of Cholera Outbreak Soars In Onunwakpu Igbeagu, Izzi LGA Of Ebonyi State by Obalatule: 5:28pm On Mar 31, 2021 |
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Politics › Re: Water Scarcity Hits Ibadan by Obalatule: 2:54pm On Mar 31, 2021 |
Factshunter:

Cry? By the time your ban become effective you will understand the word ' cry ' behind your closed door.
Mynd44 rule no.1 is broken.  Call your yoruba mods to ban me......still wouldn't help open defecation in ibadan
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Politics › Re: Onitsha: A City With No Government by Obalatule: 2:52pm On Mar 31, 2021 |
SuperBold your imaginary ipob is now attacking Onitsha and nobody is tagging him afonja
You see why i said most yoruba in this forum dey ment?......all of you are obsessed with everything igbo  |
Politics › Re: Water Scarcity Hits Ibadan by Obalatule: 2:47pm On Mar 31, 2021 |
Factshunter: Mynd44
A rule has just been broken - off topic.
Thank you in advance. Yes cry me a river
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Politics › Re: Water Scarcity Hits Ibadan by Obalatule: 2:37pm On Mar 31, 2021 |
[s] Factshunter: The iPobs are frustrated looking for Avenue to cover their shame and yesterday's misfortune hence they've resorted to using false headlines to salvaged their bruised ego.  [/s] How will this crap you are spewing help is flush out shit here in ibadan? |