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Still on this topic? Now that I have he time, Can some one let us know if the electronic/ muchroom churches survive without tithe?

But Nigerian refuse to be a polytechnic product.

True talk

I also told you that , the temple tax is a vistors tax for the king. He only ask peter to collect the money from the mouth of fish. Ok

Having an affair either oral or otherwise affair na affair.
It starts from LOOKs

then touching ,KISSING etc

You soon discover that you will no longer be satisfy then

you lose control the thing is SEX

that is what follows then HIV/AIDS or pregnancy Wise girl do not be too clever

May be you need to know that a lot of the pastor obtained loan from banks and use thier church attendannce to calculate monthly income from tithe as returns from investiment...... I will never pay anything to any pastor I would feed and give to the needy... once you do all this it is done for God.

DE-KING:

makgod link=topic=272.msg18501#msg18501 date=1122906900:
temple tax...........hmnnnnnn,
so , do you pay temple tax...?

objibb, do you mind giving answer to the above?

joftech so you are simply saying that because some people misuse God's money then you won't give God his due. If that's so, then well.....

I can not pay temple tax because I am here in Nigeria not a visitor to Capernum. This is the tax payable by VISITOR ONLY. Is A TAX to the KING of the world.

Matt 22:18     But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
They simply want to test Jesus Christ
What is the thing of God? Not Money, but simple Worship and adoration.

Luke 19

DE-KING:
@ objibb,

objibb link=topic=272.msg18414#msg18414 date=1122895770:
.. From those that have not, the little they had shall be taken away from them ... inform of 10% of thier money

Well, my own bible did not say what you quoted above. Anyhow sha, I wish you the best bro.

:26     For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

LUKE8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

Male Nigerian What did yr bible say
Jesus did not pay tithe why can I pay now he only pay Temple Tax at Capernaum Math. 17 24-27.
24 ¶ And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

That is why HND HOLDERS are been forced out of job.
They say"HND holders are better but the certificates are inferior to Bsc"
NOW

"Nigerian Graduates Unfit for Employment?" Then

The NIGERIAN EDUCATION system must be sick.

Tax paid to the government is enough tithe already. Nigerian pastors are feeding fat with people like u. Sit down and show me the place in the New Testament where Christ command us to pay such money apart from tax.

It is good to give than to receive, I can give to those that want.

From those that have not, the little they had shall be taken away from them, in form of 10% of their money.

I was a mass server too.
Where do those pastor founder put their money............... Good talk

Well, in verse 9 of chapter 3 it says “the whole nation” is under a curse. What nation? The USA? No, the book of Malachi is specifically addressed to the nation of Israel, and more specifically to the priests (see 1:6,10-13; 2:1,7 and who were badly mistreating God’s people. To use verses from Malachi as if they are talking to Christians is at best poor scholarship and at worst dishonest
This is what I pick from the link and is a fact. If tithe can be stoped mst of the fake ...positors/pastors will go back to farm and join cassava production.

Do not just go for any Diploma

ND National Diploma and HND are the approved one by NBTE

University of Ibadan Awarded, Intermediate and Final Diploma untill 2001

Odinary Diploma and Advance Diploma are on their own

OTD Technician Diploma and Higher Technician Diploma that of Poly consult Ibadan

FTD & FTC , C&G london run courses leading Full Technician Diploma

You better prepare your self against unemploment by finishing your skill programms in the polytechnic intead of 100 level

HND HOLDER:
Are you are double face man? OBJ and IBB My brother tell your friend not to go near HND in Nigeria for it is a stressful qualification.

[move]Can we close all the polytechnics? [/move]
Ayozie Daniel Ogechukwu
It is now a criminal offence to be a polytechnic graduate in Nigeria, if in doubt ask the army of unemployed polytechnic graduates in the labour market. Nothing is as dehumanising and degrading as being asked to leave an interview venue, just because one spent five years or more years to acquire a diploma which is not worth a N30 toilet tissue. Do not take offence with this article. I am one of those unfortunate Nigerians who committed a “crime” by attending a polytechnic.
Our nobel laureate, Professor Wole Soyinka, in the past advocated a closure of our universities for one year so that a proper stocktaking would be done, and appropriate strategies implemented to bring back the lost glory of our ivory towers. I cannot agree less with our dear Wole Soyinka, only that I am of the view that all the polytechnics should be permanently closed and converted to secondary schools, and where possible upgraded to satellite campuses of most of our universities. The reason being that, they have lost their substance and glory due to neglect and poor funding.
I am a graduate of one of the best polytechnic in the country, the Federal Polytechnic, Ilaro, and I am proud to be one. But recent activities of private and public employers have compelled me to ask the government to close those glorified secondary schools (polytechnics) if we do not need them, and where their products are treated as inferior materials even where they are better, and without giving them the opportunity to prove their mettle.
As Mr. Olushola Adegbite mentioned recently in this article in one of the national dailies, entitled, Polytechnics and the award of degrees, the Nigerian educational sector was agog with joy in 2001, when the Federal Government signed the agreement with the Academic Staff Union of Polytechnics (ASUP), empowering polytechnics to award degrees, as it is done in the United States and United Kingdom. In fact, in the UK, all polytechnics empowered to award degrees and postgraduate degrees, thereby attracting the highest calibre of academic and research staff. This is an environment where academic activity is dynamic, and progressive.
The original concept of the Polytechnic sector was to produce middle level manpower. But for over 40 years now, there had been no dynamic effort made to re-evaluate this policy. With pride one can mention some first generation polytechnics that have better facilities and academic staff than most universities in same courses, especially in Engineering, Management and Accounting. With pride again one is compelled to mention Yaba College of Technology, Institute of Management and Technology, Enugu, Kaduna Polytechnic and Auchi Polytechnic. The performance of graduates of these institutes in both academic and professional examinations have been very remarkable. The author, polytechnic graduate, and a doctoral research student in a Nigerian university will share his experiences of how frustrating it can be when you flaunt a polytechnic certificate, that is not appreciated in the Nigerian environment. What would have ordinarily taken me few years to accomplish academically had taken me many years, because one is unfortunate to attend a polytechnic. With my dehumanising experiences, I am faced with the same dilemma as Mr. Adegbite and they are:
(a) Why is Nigeria, producing graduates that would be rejected in the labour market? (b) Why make brilliant and academically conscious Nigerians who have all it takes, to be discriminated and dehumanized against, simply because they attended polytechnics? (c) Why turn polytechnic graduates into second class and even third class citizens in the labour and educational sectors? The British whose academic system we all claim we are copying, have converted all their polytechnics to universities, especially when the higher national diploma became unfashionable in the academic and labour markets in the United Kingdom.
Unfortunately, in Nigeria, we are still living in the past, using the 1940 policies in the 21st century computer ages. Were the polytechnics set up, just to act as feeders to the University system? Is there any academic law and policy which specifies the stagnancy of one sector (polytechnic) as against the vibrancy and dynamism of the other sector? Why are the polytechnic sector rejected in such a manner, as not to attract the highest calibre of academic staff? Why is the funding lopsided and even neglected? Why is it that research grants are not extended to it? These and many others are questions begging for answers.
The Minister of Education will write his name in gold, if he attends to the academic needs of polytechnics, in the same way he considers the needs of the universities. Is there no way Nigerians can have a polytechnic of equal standard to the UK’s Cranfield Institute of Technology, (now Cranfield University) and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the US?
Polytechnic graduates are noted for their very excellent performances in local and foreign professional examinations such as ICAN, CIBN, CIM (Lond), etc. With all these excellent results why the stagnancy in the academic operations of polytechnics?

•Ogechukwu wrote in from Abraka, Delta State.

Do you think this is the solution ?

The state of polytechnic education
The Guardian (Editorial/Opinion) November 3, 2004

RECENTLY the executive secretary of the National Board for Technical Education (NBTE), Dr. Nuhu A. Yakubu, informed the House of Representatives committee on education that about 35 per cent of the courses offered in the 17 federal polytechnics in the country will be scrapped for lack of accreditation.

Specifically 232 of the 654 courses on offer in these institutions failed the accreditation exercise, reflecting what the executive secretary characterised as "the decline in the standard of education in most polytechnics in the country."

The decline, according to the executive secretary, is reflected in the dilapidated structures, broken down equipment, the non-availability of modern state of the art equipment, and inadequate staff.

The decision to scrap courses in federal polytechnics brings to the fore once more the crisis in the nation's educational system. It is clear that the situation in the federal polytechnics is replicated in all tertiary institutions, whether federal or state controlled. Accreditation and visitation panels have over the years drawn attention to the deplorable state of the facilities and equipment in the polytechnics, colleges of education and universities throughout the country.

Staff of these institutions have had cause to go on strike periodically to press home to the government the problem of inadequate funding. The story is the same in our primary and secondary schools. While the children of the privileged attend expensive private schools at home or overseas, majority of Nigerian children attend sub-standard primary and secondary schools. The nation's educational system is in deep crisis, created largely by neglect and inadequate funding. The Federal Government continues to ignore the UNESCO prescribed minimum funding for education in developing countries.

The decision by the NBTE to scrap 35 per cent of the courses on offer in federal polytechnics does not solve the problem. If the board discovers next year that more courses do not meet its accreditation standards, will it scrap them as well? In any case, is the decision based on a thorough appraisal of the manpower needs of the country? Is the board saying that the courses are no longer useful to the economy? Will scrapping 35 per cent of the courses solve the problem of dilapidated structures, obsolete equipment and inadequate staffing?
Polytechnics are an established and organic component of the educational system in most countries. They are designed to provide professional and work-oriented training to meet the developmental needs of society. Polytechnics produce the workforce for industry and are therefore critical to industrial development. To achieve these goals, polytechnics employ teaching and learning approaches that differ from the traditional academic model.

Their courses and methodology connect pedagogy with industry and link theory with practice. They balance specialised skills with general knowledge. Polytechnics maintain a close relationship with industry, which enables their students to acquire practical skills through industrial attachments. The industrial attachment component of polytechnic education reinforces the link between theory and praxis; it allows the graduates to be better integrated into the labour market, and provides opportunities for enterprises to maintain a closer link to the education and training system.
Unfortunately, polytechnics face a difficult situation in Nigeria, not only in terms of inadequate funding but also in their ability to provide industrial attachments for their students. Over the years industrial production has declined sharply in tandem with the collapse of the national economy. The economy no longer has the capacity to offer industrial attachment places to the number of students who need them. It also cannot offer them employment when they graduate. The nation is therefore confronted with a situation in which the polytechnics lack the facilities to offer proper training to their students; the economy cannot offer the industrial training positions which will enable the students acquire the practical skills they need for employment in the industrial sector; and industries cannot employ the graduates because they are not properly trained. It is indeed a sad commentary on the state of the nation, on the absence of a national strategy of development.

Ordinarily the Manpower Development Board, working with the National Board for Technical Education and the National Universities Commission, is expected to serve as the bridge between educational institutions and the labour market. It should make projections on the size and calibre of the workforce, sector by sector, profession by profession, which the economy would need in the immediate and long term.

It has to ensure that the educational system responds and adapts to the changing needs of the economy, of industry and of the labour market in such a way that there is no over-abundance of skills in one sector even while another sector experiences critical shortage. It is the board's responsibility to enhance the relevance of education and training for various occupational fields. It is expected to create a synergy between education and industry, between professionalism and occupations. But like most government agencies it has failed woefully in performing this critical task for the nation.

That the NBTE now finds it necessary to scrap 35 per cent of the courses on offer in federal polytechnics, not because the economy does not need professionals in those courses, but because the courses failed accreditation, demonstrates the failure or inability of government and its agencies to deal adequately with the problems confronting the nation. It is important that the government takes measures to revitalise the educational sector as part of a well designed national strategy to promote development in the country. This is the only way to emancipate our people from the suffocating tyranny of poverty and underdevelopment.

tayo tina, whatever What?

No basis
Do we have HND Medicine, No, HND LAW HND HISTORY etc
Only in tchnical and commercial areas.
Let Hnd holder be happy for they are the hope of tomorrow

Self esteem does not mean seeing yourself as the greatest person in the world.
It's not the same as being conceited.
Healthy self esteem means liking yourself,as HND holder for the most part, as you are.
You can have OK self esteem and still have occasional bouts of self doubt.
How you feel about yourself depends on who you compare yourself with.
Healthy self esteem means thinking as highly of yourself as you think of your peers.
Excessive self esteem = being over confident or complacent as Bsc holders.
OK self esteem is compatible with humility.
Humility is not the same as self-effacement.
The right balance should place you mid-way between grandiosity and self-effacement.
To maintain healthy self esteem:
Forgive yourself for your mistakes you made on HND holders.
Celebrate your strengths and achievements.
We are so used to negative feedback that we are more aware of our weaknesses.
Set achievable targets and get regular feedback.
Change the way you talk to yourself - stop putting yourself down.
Be sure that you are not judging yourself against unreasonable standards.
Beating yourself for your weaknesses is self-defeating

India certificates were not a good certificate in Nigeria in olding days. Because of over production, Nigerian parade world labour market with various certificate today as Indian did then. Nigerian trained Doctors and Nurses are still hot cake anywhere in the world today why is it so?

What is "HND Holder" up to with all these postings on HND, are you the only HND holder in the forum?  Eh wetin be your own sef?

NBTE scribe seeks reforms to end discrimination against HND holders
By Emmanuel Edukugho
Posted to the Web: Thursday, April 28, 2005



The dichotomy between polytechnic and university education seems irritating to the National Board for Technical Education (NBTE) as its executive secretary calls for reforms to address the discrimination against HND holders.

At an interview, the NBTE scribe, Dr Nuhu A. Yakubu blamed the attitude of Nigerians for the major problems confronting technological education in the country.
“We at NBTE are honest, dedicated, endeavour to narrow ourselves to a corner, interest of Nigeria. A major challenge to the academic community.”

He called for sweeping education reforms that would bring about parity and remove the differences between Higher National Diploma (HND) and B.Sc degree.
“From vocational to technical, to university, no need for barriers,” Nuhu Yakubu advocated.
Three areas were identified by him as the focus for NBTE.

These are:
* Training,
* Curricular review
* Meeting of stakeholders
The executive secretary promised continued delivery by NBTE in accordance with its mandate.
“The National Diploma Programmes produce bulk of our technological manpower, particularly middle level manpower. There is need to redesign the national diploma to 3 years. From national diploma to higher national diploma without barrier,” he demanded.
According to him, the polytechnics have adequate facilities to admit more students than what they are having.

“About 1 million candidates sit for the Joint Admission and Matriculation Board (JAMB) university entrance examinations. Polytechnics have facilities to get the excess ones. How do we ensure our youths come to technical education?”

He added that opportunities should be opened up for self-development which technical education can properly provide for the young people of this country.
On the national conference now taking place in Abuja, Yakubu expressed the feeling that it afforded opportunity for all Nigerians to talk.

“People will no longer see themselves from narrow perspectives. Youths, old, women are all there.
Diversity will be strengthened, get our nation from being potential to the real thing, involving the entire country, and examine our value system.”
He advised delegates to be patient, listen to each other’s point, and show concern that something must be done to salvage our nation.

“The conference is all about how to improve Nigeria. Therefore all hands must be on deck.”

a confrence on technical education is going on now at auja. it should be able to resolve these issue.