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if you are smart enough you will know i was giving an example when i said me and my sister have an eye on the trouser.

i quote it back to you.
Proverbs 29v20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words there is more hope of a fool than of him.

(you were hasty to condemn people wearing trousers with little knowledge of the book or deut or the 22nd chapter or what pertaineth to a man really means. you were shown pictures of trousers and you couldn't answer which sex they pertained to)

2Timothy 2v15. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

SO rightly dividing the truth is your interpretation of the bible right?.
why are you then forcing your interpretation of  the truth in deut on others?? let them rightly divide the truth by themselves. which means you now agree with my original post which i quote below again.

"Pls just serve the lord the best way you know how ( or how you have rightly divided the truth),  The world we live in today  there are both male and female trousers,  The bible says not all who say lord lord shall enter into the kingdom of God. Many will say have i not cast out demons in your name,  They will still be cast away,  Do not judge,  You may be right but at the same time you may be wrong. there is no human being dat can come now and say he is 100 % sure of what God meant ."

De 22:5
¶ The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

people have rightly divided the truth in deut 22vs5 the following ways


1) romans 7 says we are no longer under the law but under grace,  if you say we have to follow deut 22:5 we also have to follow the whole chapter which also says not to wear clothes made of wool and linen mixed together and also condones killing by stoning.


2) there are female trousers designed specifically for them which men cannot wear. these cannot be classified as men's clothes or pertaining to men.  if you say this, then how do you classify shirts and tshirts.

3) there are tribes that have men wear wrappers. These wrappers were made and designed for men so they are not women's clothes
4) scottish men were skirts,  they were made and designed for men they are not women's clothes
5) the verse simply means a man should not dress up to look like  woman and vice versa
6) the verse means a man should not wear clothes that a woman has already worn and vice versa
7) the verse means women should not wear trouser period.(Image123  and friends)
who bought the trouser  determines if its masculine  or feminine (Image123 )

e.t.c

these are some of the ways people (including you) have rightly divided the truth in deut.

  that verse can actually mean , some of that , any of that.or none of that. nobody knows for sure . it is not a clear commandment like thou shalt not commit adultery. "that which pertaineth unto a man" is always going to be a topic of controversy

2Timothy 2v15. 15  did not say we should all follow how Image 123 has rightly divided the truth. It is addressed to whoever is reading it.


. since you have deduced deut 22 v 5 to mean women should not wear trousers period, then keep your opinion to yourself and dont  try and enforce it on other people or condemn ladies that wear trousers.
Deut 22:11 also says Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together.    this is a continuation of deut 22:5,  it definitely deserves to be lumped together, contains no "human judgment" and is much clearer and easier to understand than deut 22v5
Have you been obeying this? 

don't condemn ladies in trousers
You are not God.


GOODBYE,  i have left the thread

Image123:
YeS, make i balance small.
Let me help your ignorance. You need to pray and study the Bible well, if you'll learn to rightly divide the Word of truth. Or else, you'll continue to stammer and fumble with your fingers. The passages you've quoted from Deuteronomy, in what context are they? They are talking about judgement, human judgement against wrong. Grace has not made the wrong bold or right in the NT. It has simply introduced grace and mercy in judgement. Jesus said in Matthew, ye have heard, BUT I SAY! He allowed for grace, not that fornication/adultery or idolatry is now permitted. No, but strict human judgement was replaced with grace. Now Deuteronomy 22v5 or any of the passages I quoted do not talk about human judgement. It's wrong to lump them all together.
O and to add, so you're actually eying that trouser, whoops

Here you go dodging the distinction between men and women's clothing again and you cant even discern an example from reality.

so i should learn to divide the word of truth  look @ your statement,  i cant believe that just came from you, mr following the entirety of the bible.

  I should now divide it?? follow some and not follow some?  Now you are , contradicting yourself and making no sense whatsoever,   this entire post came from your head . God said these are his commandments,  you say they are human judgments against wrong, and they are lumped is that in your own bible


Quote book chapter and verse please where this is said please

where did you see we are no longer under the law of human judgment against wrong.
the commandments of the  bible to you are lumped together,  am i the one that created the bible?? all the verses in deuteronomy chapter 22 are lumped together by God. its the same book, its the same chapter.

serving God according to my own interpretation of the Bible doesn't cut it. I must serve God on His terms, his truth, His own interpretation

these were your own words in your previous posts so your human judgment interpretation above,  and lumping theory,  Whose is it?? is it not yours or is it in the Bible,  see you contradicting yourself again
you first said the laws never change, now you say some laws have changed,  Open your bible and show us the scripture that backs this up and specifies which laws have changed and which laws havent,  show me in the Bible where it says part of the Deuteronomy 22 should be followed and another part dropped

There is no explanation you can give for picking only one verse and one commandment out of a whole chapter and ignoring the rest,  human judgement, lump or whatever you are trying to explain is you giving "baseless excuses with no biblical backing and you serving God according to your own interpretation of the Bible,   talking about fornication??  why are you digressing? Matthew chapter what verse what?
if  grace doesn't cover deut22 v5, neither does it cover 22:13-21 or Deut 22:11
Deut 22:11 : Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together.  have you ever checked your label to make sure you werent wearing this, mr pick and drop?? abi dis one sef na lump?? is it not related to clothing too??  its very easy to open the bible and use it to point and accuse other people,  Look at your own self too

Im out of here.

its clear that you are beaten and have nothing else to say since all you could quote from my post was a typographical error,  
(N.B you need to actually be speaking  for you to stammer)

i give you one week to properly read your bible and come back, you trying to preach the word of God without proper knowledge  or understanding is like going to a battlefield unprepared, without a weapon. Next time you want to quote a verse and use it to preach please try and read the whole chapter first,

I will buy the above trouser for you since it is man's clothing, and you are a man in the trouser ministry.  You can wear it to church next Sunday

the commandment also states stone people to death, its part of the commandment

Deuteronomy 4v2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

you quoted that verse, if you are not following it by stoning people to death means you too are not keeping the commandment

and now you say the bible isn't all about Deut 13 does it mean it is not important?? are you now trying to say God has changed?? you said God never changes. r u now going to subtract from the bible?, am i the one that put it there? is it not there for all to see, If you say there are other parts in the bible that say you shouldn't stone people to death and you choose to follow that, why?? is that not you picking and dropping from the bible, what gave you the right to ignore one and choose one?? where is it in the bible that says you should ignore one part of deut 22 and follow the other?? you yourself said Deuteronomy focusing on the israelites entering the promise land is not an excuse not to follow it then why are you not following it??
its the same deut 22 that talks about dressing it is the same deut 22 that says if you marry a wife and she is not a virgin, you should take her to the front of her father's house and stone her to death, i thought you just said you obey the scriptures with regards to the FULL message, not partial message.

The command in Exodus thou shall not kill was given when the Israelites where delivered from egypt, after this command, another one was given years later when they were about to enter the promise land that it is okay to kill in certain instances . you can see the command where it is okay to kill was given after the original command to not kill was given. why did you choose not to kill?

My own reason for not killing is because Romans chapter 7 says we are no more under the law but under the grace, your own reason is because you just decided to use your brain to choose thou shall not kill instead, see you running from the law with no basis to justify your actions but you are quick to impose it on someone else. You are now the king of pick and drop

AS regards the trouser in the previous page
you not knowing who bought the trouser before making your judgment is the most is the most childish and contradictory statement you can ever make, are you now saying the scripture means its who bought the clothing that determines if its masculine or feminine

the trouser is for sale, both me and my sister have an eye on it, are you now saying if my sister buys it then its feminine and if i buy it then it is masculine?? what if i buy it for her does it make it unisex?? why are you dismissing tshirts and shirts?? are they not part of clothing?? did your own bible specify trouser? abi when you dress up in the morning the only thing you put on is trouser?
you cant answer these questions because you are not God. I suggest you move on before you commit sin and start adding or subtracting to the bible. You can ask God on the last day what he meant cause you clearly have no clue and you cant even distinguish between masculine and feminine attire.

what you can say next time is
women should dress decently period. and not wear clothing specifically designed for men, a trouser designed for women is NOT men's clothing cause you as a man cannot wear it. The same way they had clothing designed for men and women in the old days is the same way we have it today

choose below what a lady should wear na, one is a trouser and the other is a skirt

Deu 6:16  Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

pls how is this related to anything

Yet another outlandish statement, little scriptural base, excuses.

Thes are facts not excuses,  if you have bothered to read the chapter and not just one verse you will have known that Deuteronomy focuses on the law given to the Israelites as they were about to enter the promise land, How is this an excuse? and you must be weird if you don't find controversial,  a book  in the bible that encourages killing when the same bible says thou shall not kill

Deu 28:1  And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth
I'm guessing the above quotes are also irrelevant to you, or you love the pick and choose method
You don't get it do you? serving God according to my own interpretation of the Bible doesn't cut it. I must serve God on His terms, his truth, His own interpretation.

they must be irrelevant to you too. If you notice , the word commandments is in plural so it is not one,  it did not say if you observe and do only deut 22:5 cause the same Deuteronomy (13: 1-12 , 22:13-21)  says you should stone to death your wife if she isnt a virgin when you marry her,  and stone your relatives or close friend if they try to convert you to another religion. the same book and chapter says stone to death so they are also part of the commandments too. why are yours still breathing? ,  if you have stoned people to death, you will be in jail and not arguing blindly on nairaland.  if you haven't then you are serving God according to your own interpretation of the Bible. and you also love the pick and choose method

I'M SPECIFICALLY HITTING ON TROUSERS

Then address the trousers in the previous page,  is it for a man or a woman, why are you trying to skillfully dodge what you are supposedly hitting on??

  If your reply doesn't address these questions, then you are not qualified to respond to this thread again my friend . you can continue beating around d bush and quoting 1 line back out of 50. or you can go start your own trouser ministry somewhere else
you are on your own

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[color=#9900ff]Aswerigawd, i trip for that interlude. [/color]

da student:
Those flashing lights come from everywhere
The way they hit her I just stop and stare
She's got me love stoned
I think I'm love stoned
She's got me love stoned

my gf tire for me because of the song dat year, i have transferred it to every portable media player and mobile phone i have had since then,
every mp3 cd i burn must have it

what year is the Lexus?? do you mean es 300?? Lexus is a Toyota product , more advisable and maintenance friendly

abeg d guy say e wan learn php , make e learn am in peace o, php is relatively easy, you can still go further from there but  knowledge of php only will not get you a high paying job, unless you become good enough to develop web applications like the simple machine forum nairlaland is currently using and you start selling  . ( its free though)   I learnt php but it was just to increase my general computer knowledge, when it comes to security , a lot of web app developed using php have security holes , but java and javascript are also dangerous when it comes to client side, that is why there are addons disabling them by default, and your browser warns you before you run a java app. If you just want to learn it to have the knowledge generally, pls go ahead, if you want to make money or a career out of it, you have to learn other languages too

@Image123

Deut 22:11  Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together. ( when last did you check your label to make sure you werent wearing this)
Deuteronomy 13: 1-12 says if your brother son mother wife or close friend tries to convince you to follow another religion, you should stone the person to death
Deut 22:13-21 says if you marry a wife and she is not a virgin, you should take her out and stone her to death
Deut 23:2 says  A bas tard person shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.  so does that mean if any man between you and your great great great grand father was a bas tard , you are wasting your time going to church??

What is your own excuse for not killing your wife ,family or friends even though it is clearly stated in the bible that you should what is your own baseless excuse for disobedience??


You not killing your wife for not being a virgin or your family for trying to convert you to another religion means you too are serving God the best way you know how, 
Deuteronomy is one of the most controversial books in the bible.
Deuteronomy focuses on the law given to the Israelites as they were about to enter the promise land
Go and read Romans 7,  You will see that people living in the old testament were under the law,  but after Jesus died for our sins, we are now under the grace


You  didnt judge me cause im a man,  the trouser is not an issue to me, but you are just avoiding the issue,  and i said serve God according to your interpretation of the bible, if the babalwaos you know read the bible thats fine. answer the question of the trouser below,  can you wear it as a man? is that piece of clothing masculine or feminine, im not telling you to not follow that verse in the bible. but what  you classify as  men and women's clothing is another issue. Is a tshirt men or women's clothing, is a shirt men or women's clothing?? why is it only the trouser people focus on?  . you are just avoiding the issues and beating around the bush,  go to church today and ask questions so you can come back with more answers ,  you clearly dont have them.  you have done and said nothing to prove your point. come back when you can prove to me the trouser below is for men and can be classified as men's clothing and when you stone the next "sinner" you meet to death,

What evidence is there that he is the one actually on the site? I think my president should spend more time attending to critical matters in the country than chilling on fb

las vegas
desperate housewives
lois and clark- the adventures of superman

bmw 7series from 2002 does not come in manual and  i listed x6 not x5 and even the latest x5 doesn't  have a manual option,  if u notice, it is being phased out, its only the sport cars that are keeping it alive and cars that try to have  affordable models,  no clangers were dropped


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_7_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_X5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_X6

give examples of  luxury cars that come in manual only option please,  in short any new car at all
how can you say auto is not luxury??  your trying to tell me that a car like the x6 appeals to the older market?? if you say that  then you are saying every  new luxury car is aimed at the older market.

I personally dont have a prefrence,  I can drive both,   But when stuck in slow moving traffic, i will rather be stuck in an auto,
I can put my left leg out the window if i like

y is every lagos used element black

Make sure dat dog takes u shopping

lol the last time i saw this, it ended with how much is a bag of garri

they all have 2 legs, dats wot they have in common

justin timberlake -- think that she knows (interlude)

a lot has changed since jesus came and died on the cross , there are a lot of differences in the old and new testament, Jesus did a lot of things differently thats why he was always resisted and persecuted, the same Deuteronomy chapter 13 says you should immediately kill and stone to death any body that believes in another god or tries to convince you to serve another god, when was the last time you stoned anybody??

@image124
dont judge period,  if you notice different pastors can interpret 1  bible verse in different ways,  So who is wrong?? When i meant serve God the best way you know how, i didnt mean you should comit sins, i meant follow the doctrine and the interpretation of the bible  in the church God has guided you to attend.

I still maintain my words,  you are currently serving God the best way you know how and understand the bible,  someone else can come and say you are wrong and you are not serving God enough

lets look at some other clothing items
Jackets (don’t most coats and jackets look the same for men and women?)
tshirts too
shoes like trainers and converse,  They can be both worn by men and women,  is it a sin?

That verse could also translate to a man dressing up to look like a woman and vice versa. nobody knows for sure

As a man, can u wear the trouser above??,   In your interpretation of the verse, the trouser above should pertain to a man right? if you cant then its not clothing designed for men. A woman can wear skirt all her life and still go to hell and another woman can wear trouser and go to heaven,  No man is God ,  You cannot tell me a woman following following the doctrine, serving God diligently and wearing the trouser above will not have her prayers answered or go to hell. Only God can answer that question and you cannot judge who is serving God in sprit and in truth and who isnt.  

Judge Not, Lest Ye Not Be Judged Matthew 7:1

you can advise your female relatives to wear skirts for nysc

Pls just serve the lord the best way you know how, The world we live in today there are both male and female trousers, The bible says not all who say lord lord shall enter into the kingdom of God. Many will say have i not cast out demons in your name, They will still be cast away, Do not judge, You may be right but at the same time you may be wrong. there is no human being dat can come now and say he is 100 % sure of what God meant, Its just like ladies covering their head to pray, The bible says cover your head to females and men should not. Some will say wear a scarf , others will say the hair is the covering. Now if the hair is the covering does it mean all men should skin their head before they pray?? And the pastors with long hair are not going to have their prayers answered? And if its the scarf , a lady might be driving about to have an accident no scarf around and she says a quick prayer to God, does it mean he wont answer. God works in mysterious ways, Live your own life and do not judge, If you are certain all trousers are for men, what if i come to your church as a man wearing the trouser below and sit in the front row

what will be people's reaction

my bro is married to a lady 3yrs older dan him, they have been married for 15yrs and have 3 lovely children, it really isnt an issue, when u start going into the 10yr age difference range, then u can be skeptical

check the engine sitting too, when dis happened to me, was my engine sitting, but it was an eod

There are some new cars that dont even come in manual,   But every new car has an automatic option
There is no manual option for cars like the new m class, s class, 7 series, x6, x5, gl , gwagon, lexus ls from 1989 till present never came in manual ,
also the lexus gs (toyota aristo) never had it, lexus es dropped it in 1997 e.t.c

In short most luxury cars produced in the last 10yrs dont have a manual option, 
it's clear that driving a manual car is NOT luxury

ONly when it comes down to speed, most sport cars have a manual option

it depends on the year , 17inch wheels were first introduced in the v6-2006 model accord

http://automobiles.honda.com/certified-used/accord-sedan/2005/specifications.aspx for the 2005 models

http://automobiles.honda.com/certified-used/accord-sedan/2008/specifications.aspx for the 2008 models

Huge bump, the best thing is to convert japanese products only, dont think of converting a German product, its simply not worth it

When u see an offer that seems to good to be true, it most likely is, if dats d selling price, how much did it now land, Niger too like awoof

Yes some do,

just admit u r pissed cause u cant afford to live on d island,