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Kazeem47:
Not everyone that call himself/herself is a true muslim.Someone might know the Islamic rules and regulations and pray 5 times daily but they are not Muslims because they didn't do just and abide by those rules.Those Muslims you are talking about are just doing their village thing.
Killing innocent people, both young and old,sometimes pregnant women.
Burning place of worship etc
Can a true Muslim enter inside Mosque and kill the people in the middle of prayer?
So please not everyone that himself a Muslim is a muslim.Some are just religious extremist that don't even know the religion fully,they are just following whatever their leaders told them to do.

Bro, that's exactly what Islam preaches


So-called moderate Muslims claim Islam is peaceful but will never come out to boldly condemn what Islamic terrorists are doing.

Hypocrites.

Moderate Islam has no foundation because Islam is naturally violent. Moderate Muslims are the green grass shielding the green snake called Islamic terrorists.

I don't think anybody needs Islam to teach us how to breastfeed. Parents have been breastfeeding successfully before Islam started

The Sabians were also praying during this period in the time of Muhammad. Many parts of Islam was copied from Sabians, Jews and Christians. There is nothing like revelation from any Angel. Just copy and paste!

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Harnny:
How did Quran 33 21 claim Mohammed was perfect?.

How can allah command Muslims to make Muhammad their example if he is not perfect? Does allah want to Muslims to copy an imperfect man, which also culminates in copying his limitations?!

Where did the Quran mention Paul?
Oh!... you are okay with implicit interpretation here but that's not okay with other verses being interpreted with clear context given?. Jokes.

Read Quran 36:14. Then read the tafsir of the verse.

Quran 9:29 is explicit and has nothing hidden. Quran 36:14, on the other hand, leaves many details unexplained. Be sincere to yourself!

Bro... no be me dey doubt Paul naa... I just dey compare but now na me be hypocrite.

Are you saying you are doubting what allah said about Paul?!

You are claiming Paul is a prophet who wrote the story of Jesus after being visited by the Holy spirit yeah. I did not doubt Paul and his teachings. Thats up to Paul and God. The contention is that you believed Paul enough to accept everything he wrote about the life of Jesus as a narrative. Paul never even claimed to be a Prophet.. Even his speech and conversations. However, Mohammed cannot have similar revelations.

I didn't say Paul wrote the story of Jesus. Paul just preached according to the inspiration God gave him. If you don't believe Paul, you shouldn't believe Muhammad since Muhammad preached about Jesus over 500 years after Paul.

The words of Paul are in line with the messages of Jesus, but the words of Muhammad are contrary to the messages of Jesus.

The same muhamed that said Christians should follow the gospel in Quran 3:3 also say in Quran 4:157 that Jesus didn't die, whereas that's part of the central focus of the gospel. How can the same person utter contrary words and still claim to be a prophet of God?!

All the scientific miracles in the Quran are also false. They couldn't have come from God Almighty!

Because Mohammed went to war makes him less of a prophet right?. Then I guess the same could be said of Elijah, Samuel, Samson, David and Josiah who participated directly or indirectly in wars. Yet, these are all important figures according to the Bible.

The coming of Jesus Christ has already put an end to conversion by war. Jesus brought peace to the world and commanded his followers to preach the gospel peacefully. The fact that muhamed was going to war, robbing caravans and taking people as slaves after Jesus has abolished such things show that muhamed was not sent by the same God that sent Jesus Christ. Muhamed was doing his own and not serving God.

In between these Prophets are those that preached love like Jesus then comes those who preached both again way before Jesus. If the message was about love only, we probable should have stopped at Hosea right?. I mean, we get it after that.

Muslims don't understand a thing about Jesus and why he came to the world! That's why you made this statement. Did Hosea die for our sins?! No. Jesus did!
Muslims believe that John the Baptist was a true prophet. I challenge you to go and read what John the Baptist wrote about Jesus. It will help you to better understand why Jesus came.

Harnny:
How did Quran 33 21 claim Mohammed was perfect?.
Where did the Quran mention Paul?
Oh!... you are okay with implicit interpretation here but that's not okay with other verses being interpreted with clear context given?. Jokes.

Bro... no be me dey doubt Paul naa... I just dey compare but now na me be hypocrite.

You are claiming Paul is a prophet who wrote the story of Jesus after being visited by the Holy spirit yeah. I did not doubt Paul and his teachings. Thats up to Paul and God. The contention is that you believed Paul enough to accept everything he wrote about the life of Jesus as a narrative. Paul never even claimed to be a Prophet.. Even his speech and conversations. However, Mohammed cannot have similar revelations.

Because Mohammed went to war makes him less of a prophet right?. Then I guess the same could be said of Elijah, Samuel, Samson, David and Josiah who participated directly or indirectly in wars. Yet, these are all important figures according to the Bible.

In between these Prophets are those that preached love like Jesus then comes those who preached both again way before Jesus. If the message was about love only, we probable should have stopped at Hosea right?. I mean, we get it after that.

Harnny:
How did Quran 33 21 claim Mohammed was perfect?.

How can allah command Muslims to make Muhammad their example if he is not perfect? Does allah want to Muslims to copy an imperfect man, which also culminates in copying his limitations?!

Where did the Quran mention Paul?
Oh!... you are okay with implicit interpretation here but that's not okay with other verses being interpreted with clear context given?. Jokes.

Read Quran 36:14. Then read the tafsir of the verse.

Quran 9:29 is explicit and has nothing hidden. Quran 36:14, on the other hand, leaves many details unexplained. Be sincere to yourself!

Bro... no be me dey doubt Paul naa... I just dey compare but now na me be hypocrite.

Are you saying you are doubting what allah said about Paul?!

You are claiming Paul is a prophet who wrote the story of Jesus after being visited by the Holy spirit yeah. I did not doubt Paul and his teachings. Thats up to Paul and God. The contention is that you believed Paul enough to accept everything he wrote about the life of Jesus as a narrative. Paul never even claimed to be a Prophet.. Even his speech and conversations. However, Mohammed cannot have similar revelations.

I didn't say Paul wrote the story of Jesus. Paul just preached according to the inspiration God gave him. If you don't believe Paul, you shouldn't believe Muhammad since Muhammad preached about Jesus over 500 years after Paul.

The words of Paul are in line with the messages of Jesus, but the words of Muhammad are contrary to the messages of Jesus.

The same muhamed that said Christians should follow the gospel in Quran 3:3 also say in Quran 4:157 that Jesus didn't die, whereas that's part of the central focus of the gospel. How can the same person utter contrary words and still claim to be a prophet of God?!

His so-called revelations are self serving.

All the scientific miracles in the Quran are also false. They couldn't have come from God Almighty!

Because Mohammed went to war makes him less of a prophet right?. Then I guess the same could be said of Elijah, Samuel, Samson, David and Josiah who participated directly or indirectly in wars. Yet, these are all important figures according to the Bible.

The coming of Jesus Christ has already put an end to conversion by war. Jesus brought peace to the world and commanded his followers to preach the gospel peacefully. The fact that muhamed was going to war, robbing caravans and taking people as slaves after Jesus has abolished such things show that muhamed was not sent by the same God that sent Jesus Christ. Muhamed was doing his own and not serving God.

In between these Prophets are those that preached love like Jesus then comes those who preached both again way before Jesus. If the message was about love only, we probable should have stopped at Hosea right?. I mean, we get it after that.

You don't understand a thing about Jesus and why he came to the world! That's why you made this statement. Did Hosea die for our sins?! No. Jesus did!
Muslims believe that John the Baptist was a true prophet. I challenge you to go and read what John the Baptist wrote about Jesus. It will help you to better understand why Jesus came.

FarahAideed:
Did you know?
In 1998, five political parties in Nigeria — the UNCP, CNC, DPN, NDP, and GDM — all adopted General Sani Abacha as their sole presidential candidate.

It was called “The Five Fingers of a Leprous Hand” by Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka, symbolizing how Nigeria’s political space had collapsed into one-man rule.


Adoption by force. The so-called 5 Leprous Fingers




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwEhpGzDxHY?si=6wtg-hnJa9RmSALi

Adoption by force. The so-called 5 Leprous Fingers

Harnny:
Your last points sums it all... by the behavior of some Christians. People gave accurate account of the life of Mohammed but the human and the prophetic account. 10s of thousands of people gave account. You all followed the account of someone who was not even a disciples and this makes sense to you?.

Lolz. Is muhamed a disciple of Jesus Christ?! So, why do you believe the storied muhamed told about Jesus Christ despite the fact that muhamed came almost 600 years after Jesus?! Double Standard and Hypocrisy together in one body!

Who wrote the stories of Muhammad?! Which year was the stories written?! Up to hundred years after his death, right?! Yet, you believe the stories! But you are quick to condemn bible stories Because they were written several years after Jesus has resurrected!

I never doubted any of the biblical stories. You are the one doubting the Quranic accounts. I only compared them to the biblical stories which despite how wild, you still believed in.

If you never doubted bible stories, then you can't believe Quran stories because Quran contradicts the contents of the bible. That's one of the facts pointing to the unreliability of the Quran. Quran clams it confirms the Gospel, but it's contents directly contradict the Gospel. So, muhamed is lying. His revelations couldn't have come from God of Abraham.

Sometimes it is really not even the how you Christians tarnish other people's believe that might make them angry. Look at all our conversation history. Review it yourself. Is there any point where I have called Jesus by any insulting names? Is there any point I have likened him to devil, evil, fake, murderer, thief. Even at the point where I pointed at a racist comment, I explained that I understand the context. This is indicative of how an average Nigerian Christian thinks and behave. More holy than the Pope. Have absolutely no respect for others. I cannot even Imaginr how you will relate with an Hindu. Yet, others are the one not tolerant.

Which religion promotes intolerance against other religions and command it's followers to fight against other religions?! The answer is Islam!

Muslims call us kafirs, yet, you dare complain here! Many of your Alfas even call Jesus a thief and irresponsible child!

Even in your 5 times daily prayers, you refer to Christians and Jews as accursed people. Yet, you dare complain here!

Calling muhamed a liar is a statement of fact. He claimed that Jesus didn't die, whereas, History declares that Jesus died. He claimed that Abraham built Kaaba, whereas, there is zero scientific evidence to back it. He claimed that his name was written in the Torah, whereas, there is nothing like that!

You create excuses for every actions of Christians that I have pointed out but the trying every way to attribute the behaviour of Muslim to the Quran ignoring the more peaceful instruction and the context of the violent ones.

The so-called "peaceful" verses in the Quran came up when muhamed had not built an army and become powerful. The moment he built a big army, he changed his "revelations" from peaceful to violent. Ask yourself why Allah would first give peaceful verses, but then change them to violent verses later! What kind of god is that?!

You claimed Jesus gave you new laws... as written by Paul who never followed Jesus durring his life but its okay for you to claim those who were alive durring the life of Mohammed and his followers are wrong to supply the context surrounding his revelation.

You claim to know history but keep on making disturbingly ignorant comments. It wasn't Paul that told us we should love one another. It was Jesus himself that said it.

Do you know that Quran said Paul is a true messenger of God?! If you condemn Paul's message, it means you are condemning the Quran! .

I don't believe anything muhamed said because his socalled revelations condemn my faith as a Christian and his messages oppose facts. I wouldn't have bothered about muhamed if he didn't claim to be sent by the God of Abraham, which is a big lie!

The Bible is an account and explanation of events of Jesus not an original note of his words as spoken. It is bound to offer context and explanation.

The Quran is direct speech not context. The hadith is what offers the context. I hope you understand the differences.

In that case, Quran can't hide behind context.

Why is Mohammed seeing Jesus supposed to be a thing. Did Jesus met Moses to be validated. How does that even need to be a thing? I really do not get some of your arguement

If muhamed not seeing Jesus is not a thing to you, why then do you say Paul not seeing Jesus is a thing?! Hypocrisy and Double Standard in full swing!!!

Muslims never believe Mohammed is faultless. You really need to understand Islam. As far as they are concerned. He is just a human with a special mission. He also never portrayed himself as otherwise.

Quran says muhamed is the perfect example for Muslims. How can an imperfect man be your perfect example?! Or are you saying Quran 33:21 is false?!

englishmart:
Israel must be running a serious blackmail rig that has top western leaders do their bidding.

It is better than to give citizenship to an Islamic terrorist. Propaganda and deception can't help Islam any more. That religion is a cancer to humanity.

GeneralOuki:
It's like this one is one of the terminal online laptop gangs , I will take note of this moniker 🤔.

Apply that reasoning and a little bit of comprehensive skills — if you have any, and figure out what I was trying to say in the original comment.
Other people have done so with relative ease, try and see if you can figure it out.

Try your best and I wish you good luck 🤞🏽

If you are not on the opposite side of reasoning, you would have asked yourself if everyone using this platform will automatically know about the trash you people throw around among yourselves.

Harnny:
People that recieved a revelation said it referenced a treaty, you are saying it did not.

The "revelation" was received by muhamed ONLY! Show me where he personally said it was about a treaty. Show me anything that relates to a treaty in that verse?

At least there are historical sources traceable to the life of Mohammed unlike Paul who lived centuries after writing about the life of someone he did not witness without any reliable manuscript. Don't throw stones in a glass house mate.

History about the life of Muhammad is traceable to lying, deception, murder, bloodshed and trickery. Quran said Paul is a true messanger of God. Or did the Quran lied about Paul.

Muslims condemn the message of Paul because he never saw Jesus, but they swallow the fake revelations of Muhammad, who also never saw Jesus! That's double standard and hypocrisy!

How can a self acclaimed history graduate make the statement bolded above. A true history student will know that Paul started preaching just 4 years after Jesus resurrected and not centuries after. It was the fake prophet Muhammad that came centuries after Jesus, not Paul!

No true student of history will make the bolded statement. Paul started preaching about Jesus 4 years after Jesus died and resurrected

Read about the reign of Justinian in 533AD and you will find your answer. It seems it is very difficult for you to comprehend

Justinian's Vandalic War of 533AD WAS NOT a religious war. He didn't fight it to expand Christianity. He fought the war to reclaim lost Roman Empire.

The Vandals (those occupying north Africa then) that Justinian fought against were also Christians. This is unlike the Arab invasion of North Africa, which was a religion war inspired by the demonic "revelations" of Muhammad.

How could Abraham have traveled that far right? But Jesus can live resurrection the 3rd day, Moses can split the red sea.

There are eye witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus Christ and there are clear evidences of the parting of the red sea. Can you show me evidences of Abraham traveling to mecca to build kaaba?

There is no evidence. There are no eye witnesses! There is no singular historical proof! The story is false! Muhamed lied, the same way he lied about scientific miracles in the Quran, all of which have been debunked!

You asked why I jumped into slavery, isn't everything the Christians did supposed to portray their religion?. Are the Christians not the perpetrators of slavery and colonialism?

A truly informed person, who is a true history graduate, will judge Christianity by what Jesus teaches in the Holy Bible, not by the behaviours of some Christians. Show me where Jesus encouraged slavery or owned slaves. There are evidences that muhamed had slaves and captured people as slaves!

Who witnessed Jesus conversation with the devil while he was on his 40 days fast?. Did he write down his account himself? You really are a piece of work not looking inward first while trying to discredit something else.

Quran says Gospel is true. The gospel says Jesus was tempted by Satan. Doubting the story is saying that Quran is lying when it claimed to confirm the gospel!

GeneralOuki:
Is comprehension a challenge for you?

Is reasoning a mission impossible for you?!

SmartPolician:
Why is the UK experiencing unemployment?

Is it because all countries are now independent and there's no country to steal their resources anymore?

While American and Chinese companies are conquering the world, I don't know what exactly the British companies are doing.

It may be because they accepted too many almanjiris from Islamic countries into the UK to come and work

Harnny:
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Check This video for the things that you are trying to cover up.

Islamic extremists are the green snakes, while socalled moderate Muslims are the green grass shielding the green snakes!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ijZ3fuEE0?feature=shared

Lanretoye:
The unauthorized spokesperson of the man’s family should also be sent to jail or they should just leave him with maryam

Operation Let's Defend Tinubu Even If It Makes Us Sound Stupid!

Lanretoye:
The unauthorized spokesperson of the man’s family should also be sent to jail or they should just leave him with maryam

Read your comment again and ask yourself where is the sense in it?!

madridguy:
The family concluded by stating they take solace in the fact that the ultimate comprehensive justice rests with the Supreme Judge and their Creator.

Are you saying what tinubu did is against the Supreme Judge and their Creator?!

Are you saying the people now take solace in the Supreme Judge since tinubu has proven himself unreliable to ensure justice?!

Rilwayne001:
Why is the opposition more focused on Wike than an ineffective opposition leader like Atiku and Peter Obi.

The rate of defections shows that they have no chance at all in 2027.

It shows that tinubu is a user and dumper. Therefore, unreliable.

Harnny:
I never said invaded, I said they attempted. They failed. You seems to be avoiding the mention of christian slave trade and colonialism but that's okay.

Show me the specific year when Roman Empire attempted to invade North Africa. They fully withdrew from Africa in 255AD, long before they adopted Christianity!

Were the ottoman empire not Muslims? Was it the prophet that invaded North Africa?. If you read the history of Islam, you would know already that things turned political fast immediately after the death of Mohammed.

Ottoman empire was Muslim, but it didn't feature until 16th century, long after muhamed's henchmen had already invaded Middle East.

Muslims who invaded North Africa did so by following the teachings of Muhammad. Muhamed himself was an invader before his death.

Islam had been political since inception. Muhamed was a political leader pretending to be spiritual. He was just using his fake revelations to advance his political interests. . His invasion and subsequent conquest of Mecca was fully political. So, anything his henchmen did after his death, they learned them from him.

Slavery was a thing then so it is normal for your slaves to be expected to carry on the religion of their masters. These are all spoils of war. Like I said, it was cheaper for most subjected territories to convert financially. I do not see where the Bible also condemned and abolished slavery. None of the Abrahamic religion did.

Now, you have jumped to slavery. Keep jumping around. 🤣🤣🤣.

Show me where Jesus captured people as slaves like muhamed dud. Show me where Jesus was sleeping with slaves like muhamed did.
Show me where Jesus ever encouraged people to own slaves like muhamed did! In fact, Galatians 3:28 discouraged designating people as slaves![/quote]

Your opinion on the revelation is yours. I do not argue with you on that. It is okay to believe Jesus existed and he is God. That Moses got messages from God. Yet, difficult to believe Mohammed got messages from God. However, your modern pastors claims this but its alright.

The existence of Jesus is a historical FACT. The existence of Moses and his activities on earth are provable scientifically. On the flip side, the things claimed by muhamed are unprovable scientifically. For example, Muhammad claimed that Abraham built Kaaba in Quran 22:26-33 and Quran 2:127. Till today there is no singular scientific proof for that. There is no singular record to prove or back the claim. Distance between Ur (Abraham's home) and Kaaba is 1500 kilometers
How could Abraham travel that distance and stayed there for several months to build kaaba but it wouldn't feature in history?!

Do you know that the so-called 5 times daily prayers that Muslims do wasn't according to any revelation?! No, muhamed copied it from Sabians!

All the so-called scientific miracles in the Quran are also false. If muhamed got those revelation from a god, then that god made a lot of disturbing mistakes. Since God of Abraham can't make mistakes, then whoever "revealed" Quran to muhamed wasn't God of Abraham. So, all those references to Moses, Abraham, or Jesus in the Quran were copied from Judaism and Christianity, not revealed by any God!

Your insistence that the verse has no relationship with the context amazes me. Like you were present at the event. At one point, you claimed the revelation did not occur and was made up by Mohammed, at some other you are claiming his revelation is evil. Choose a stand.

Read Quran 9:29 yourself and point to any part of it that indicated war or treaty.

If I needed to be there, then it means what Quran said can't be trusted. Muhamed made up the so-called revelations to advance his political interests! No god or angel reveal anything to him!

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Harnny:
lol... you are talking to someone who studied history from the university.

A sound graduate of history will never say that Christian Roman Empire invaded North Africa when Christianity hadn't even started when the Roman empire invaded North Africa during the period!!

The ottoman empire had the least interest in spreading Islam... it is more about a nations expansion.

I can't remember ever saying Ottoman empire spread Islam. Arab Muslims had already invaded Middle east before ottoman empire took control of the middle east.

No conquered nation was required to be Muslims and they even are allowed to maintain thier culture and traditions. Just be a vassal and pay taxes. Most choose Islam because it was cheaper. At some point, they stopped people from converting because of less revenue. This is model for almost all empires then. The Roman empire attempted to capture north Africa but failed as it already in decline.

Muslims invaded and forcefully converted people in Middle east, especially Christian boys, to Islam between 633AD and 641AD. The Ottoman empire came in the 16th century. Therefore, the region was already Islamic following earlier Muslim invasion that subjected conquered people to jizya payment.

People wey recieve verse said this is why a verse was revealed. But you said the text did not say exactly what it is. You know more than them right. Jokes.

The verse wasn't "received". Muhamed lied to people that he got revelation from an angel. Quran was thought up and dictated by muhamed.

Read the verse and tell me the relationship between its content and the context you are claiming!

Why do you think the Bible was revised so many times?. Is it because some of the context needed to be added? Muslim refused to update the text as recieved.[/quote ] Stop deceiving yourself, bro. Quran had been updated, revised and changed over time. It is not original anymore. The first person to update the Quran was Allah by abrogating verses in it! Caliph uthman further modified the Quran after caliph abubakir had compiled an incomplete Quran. He current Quran you read today is the 1924 edition/revision/update of the Quran. Despite the update, there are still several Arabic versions of the Quran out there today!

[quote]If you need the context, you have to depend on the explanation If it is not contained in the original text. The Quran is words as received. The situations that warranted these words are not stated except if it is in the word itself.

If Quran needs another book before someone can understand it, it means Quran 54:17 is a lie. It means Quran is not easy to understand!

Quran is not original anymore. It has already been corrupted. The first person to corrupt the Quran is allah. Ttttt

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Harnny:
lol... you are talking to someone who studied history from the university.

A sound graduate of history will never say that Christian Roman Empire invaded North Africa when Christianity hadn't even started when the Roman empire invaded North Africa during the period!!

The ottoman empire had the least interest in spreading Islam... it is more about a nations expansion.

I can't remember ever saying Ottoman empire spread Islam. Arab Muslims had already invaded Middle east before ottoman empire took control of the middle east.

No conquered nation was required to be Muslims and they even are allowed to maintain thier culture and traditions. Just be a vassal and pay taxes. Most choose Islam because it was cheaper. At some point, they stopped people from converting because of less revenue. This is model for almost all empires then. The Roman empire attempted to capture north Africa but failed as it already in decline.

Muslims invaded and forcefully converted people in Middle east, especially Christian boys, to Islam between 633AD and 641AD. The Ottoman empire came in the 16th century. Therefore, the region was already Islamic following earlier Muslim invasion that subjected conquered people to jizya payment.

People wey recieve verse said this is why a verse was revealed. But you said the text did not say exactly what it is. You know more than them right. Jokes.

The verse wasn't "received". Muhamed lied to people that he got revelation from an angel. Quran was thought up and dictated by muhamed.

Read the verse and tell me the relationship between its content and the context you are claiming!

Why do you think the Bible was revised so many times?. Is it because some of the context needed to be added? Muslim refused to update the text as recieved.[/quote ] Stop deceiving yourself, bro. Quran had been updated, revised and changed over time. It is not original anymore. The first person to update the Quran was Allah by abrogating verses in it! Caliph uthman further modified the Quran after caliph abubakir had compiled an incomplete Quran. He current Quran you read today is the 1924 edition/revision/update of the Quran. Despite the update, there are still several Arabic versions of the Quran out there today!

[quote]If you need the context, you have to depend on the explanation If it is not contained in the original text. The Quran is words as received. The situations that warranted these words are not stated except if it is in the word itself.

If Quran needs another book before someone can understand it, it means Quran 54:17 is a lie. It means Quran is not easy to understand!

Quran is not original anymore. It has already been corrupted. The first person to corrupt the Quran is allah.