[color=#000099][/color]the attached videos will answer you that islam was before judaism, even as the religion of Noah and his children who did not perish in the flood that doomed the disbelievers of Noah's time.
deSika: yes non muslims have lots of questions. one of the ways you could teach them about islam is by responding to their questions. by so doing u dispel wrong notions and replace with the right knowledge.
questions like the following how can muslims show a non muslim how islam was practised before Mohamed. how did the early muslims worship their God.pls show with proofs 1.. did thay recite the shadadah 2. did they believe in one God (Allah). 3. did they beleive that Mohammed is his prophet. (seal of the prophets) 4. did they pray five times a day 5. did they pay zakat 6. did they fast during the ramadan 7. did they go to Mecca for pilgrimage and what did they do when they went there
this is islam as practised by todays muslims. was it this same islam that the muslims practised before Muhammed. did the early muslims worship their God as highlighted in the above points.
i ask this question because i believe that when u make a statement you should be able to provide proofs. Muslims have always said that Islam had existed before Muhammed came into the scene.
now in responding to these questions u must show proofs from Allah's word the quran. u are free to run to the "corrupted book" for help as long as u can prove that Allah was what they were worshipping and not Yahweh. (Nb Allah is not same with Elohim/Yahweh because it has not be proven yet. see this thread for reason why www.nairaland.com/1256820/prove-me-allah-yahweh-same#15276612)
if u can answer the questions with proofs then u have bin able to educate a non muslim. IF U CANNOT then the statement that islam existed before the prophet is an assumption and a false one at that. #remember u r educating non muslims.
the attached videos will answer you that islam was before judaism, even as the religion of Noah and his children who did not perish in the flood that doomed the disbelievers of Noah's time.
deSika: yes non muslims have lots of questions. one of the ways you could teach them about islam is by responding to their questions. by so doing u dispel wrong notions and replace with the right knowledge.
questions like the following how can muslims show a non muslim how islam was practised before Mohamed. how did the early muslims worship their God.pls show with proofs 1.. did thay recite the shadadah 2. did they believe in one God (Allah). 3. did they beleive that Mohammed is his prophet. (seal of the prophets) 4. did they pray five times a day 5. did they pay zakat 6. did they fast during the ramadan 7. did they go to Mecca for pilgrimage and what did they do when they went there
this is islam as practised by todays muslims. was it this same islam that the muslims practised before Muhammed. did the early muslims worship their God as highlighted in the above points.
i ask this question because i believe that when u make a statement you should be able to provide proofs. Muslims have always said that Islam had existed before Muhammed came into the scene.
now in responding to these questions u must show proofs from Allah's word the quran. u are free to run to the "corrupted book" for help as long as u can prove that Allah was what they were worshipping and not Yahweh. (Nb Allah is not same with Elohim/Yahweh because it has not be proven yet. see this thread for reason why www.nairaland.com/1256820/prove-me-allah-yahweh-same#15276612)
if u can answer the questions with proofs then u have bin able to educate a non muslim. IF U CANNOT then the statement that islam existed before the prophet is an assumption and a false one at that. #remember u r educating non muslims.
the attached videos will answer you that islam was before judaism, even as the religion of Noah and his children who did not perish in the flood that doomed the disbelievers of Noah's time.
deSika: yes non muslims have lots of questions. one of the ways you could teach them about islam is by responding to their questions. by so doing u dispel wrong notions and replace with the right knowledge.
questions like the following how can muslims show a non muslim how islam was practised before Mohamed. how did the early muslims worship their God.pls show with proofs 1.. did thay recite the shadadah 2. did they believe in one God (Allah). 3. did they beleive that Mohammed is his prophet. (seal of the prophets) 4. did they pray five times a day 5. did they pay zakat 6. did they fast during the ramadan 7. did they go to Mecca for pilgrimage and what did they do when they went there
this is islam as practised by todays muslims. was it this same islam that the muslims practised before Muhammed. did the early muslims worship their God as highlighted in the above points.
i ask this question because i believe that when u make a statement you should be able to provide proofs. Muslims have always said that Islam had existed before Muhammed came into the scene.
now in responding to these questions u must show proofs from Allah's word the quran. u are free to run to the "corrupted book" for help as long as u can prove that Allah was what they were worshipping and not Yahweh. (Nb Allah is not same with Elohim/Yahweh because it has not be proven yet. see this thread for reason why www.nairaland.com/1256820/prove-me-allah-yahweh-same#15276612)
if u can answer the questions with proofs then u have bin able to educate a non muslim. IF U CANNOT then the statement that islam existed before the prophet is an assumption and a false one at that. #remember u r educating non muslims.
muslims converting to christianity,on top wetin:ignorance,poverty and mere test. christians converting to Islam on top wetin:Knowledge and Conviction. don't see it as competition but view it in the angle of conviction. make geniune cases
salt 1: I am amused at claims of rapid conversion when I know that these converts are usually the down-and-outs of society who're already prone to violence. It's from Islam thread I first of convinced Muslims and Muslims by default. I'm persuaded that but for the compulsion element in the religion, the already inflated statistics would nose-dive. Attend any church and see how Muslims are converting to Christianity in their numbers. That people are converting isn't enough justification to stick to a religion. You won't eat shit, will you? Just because millions of flies are doing so!
if you are claiming that Islam did not exist before Prophet Muhammad and and what Islam means has been explained to you,then you mean Adam,Abraham, Moses e.t.c are not of those who give up their will for the will of God.Did Abraham not give up his will of having a male child to take over him for the God's will of slaughtering him before God replaced the son with a sheep?you'd better study beyond your scope and stop using twisted evidences.this life is only once,no second chance!
deSika: is this all you have to say. not even one proof that islam existed before Muhammed.
my dear, if islam did not exist before Muhammad.. it means Adam. Abraham, Moses etc were not muslims. and if this is true. then Muhammad and Allah lied to you.
desika is just an antagonist. He brings twisted and altered points as evidences.he quotes out of context,brings historical inferences that never existed. he knows nothing about the history of Arab before the prophet and even after. Anyway, the quran has answer for all circumstances "they intend to put out the light of Allah with their mouths,But Allah will complete His light though the disbelievers hate (it). quran 61 v 8
the problem u have is that u dont understand arabic and also you copied from anti-islam website, dont worry this is arabic and english translate below:
حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَبِي بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا فُضَيْلُ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ، حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا سَالِمُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ، رضى الله عنهما أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَقِيَ زَيْدَ بْنَ عَمْرِو بْنِ نُفَيْلٍ بِأَسْفَلِ بَلْدَحَ، قَبْلَ أَنْ يَنْزِلَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم الْوَحْىُ فَقُدِّمَتْ إِلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم سُفْرَةٌ، فَأَبَى أَنْ يَأْكُلَ مِنْهَا ثُمَّ قَالَ زَيْدٌ إِنِّي لَسْتُ آكُلُ مِمَّا تَذْبَحُونَ عَلَى أَنْصَابِكُمْ، وَلاَ آكُلُ إِلاَّ مَا ذُكِرَ اسْمُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ. وَأَنَّ زَيْدَ بْنَ عَمْرٍو كَانَ يَعِيبُ عَلَى قُرَيْشٍ ذَبَائِحَهُمْ، وَيَقُولُ الشَّاةُ خَلَقَهَا اللَّهُ، وَأَنْزَلَ لَهَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ الْمَاءَ، وَأَنْبَتَ لَهَا مِنَ الأَرْضِ، ثُمَّ تَذْبَحُونَهَا عَلَى غَيْرِ اسْمِ اللَّهِ إِنْكَارًا لِذَلِكَ وَإِعْظَامًا لَهُ. .
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: The Prophet met Zaid bin \'Amr bin Nufail in the bottom of (the valley of) Baldah before any Divine Inspiration came to the Prophet. A meal was presented to the Prophet but he refused to eat from it. (Then it was presented to Zaid) who said, "I do not eat anything which you slaughter in the name of your stone idols. I eat none but those things on which Allah's Name has been mentioned at the time of slaughtering.[/quote]may Allah reward you brother.i can sense that dasika is nothing but an antagonist and uses false evidences against Islam. for such,it is best to cut the debate because with clear evidences,he will rwpeat same point a million times.he can't refer to a genuine book of reference for all he's saying and even quotes wrongly. "they intend to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will complete His light though the disbelievers hate (it) quran 61 v 8.
yu talk out of point. bring your proofs and evidences. stop using brain to cook up tales
deSika: its agood thing that you saw the truths in my first points about not using bible examples as early muslims and my point on the hindu/budha and as such you could not say anything on them. atleast i am making some progress with you.
the christian translation of hebrew God to Allah is clearly misguided. The arabs before Mohammed knew their Allah as one that had relations(daughters and sons) with other gods even though they gave him a higher status. he was one of their gods. what Muhammed did was to repackage Allah as monoeisthic and referring to the creator.He fought against the use of relating Allah the cheif god with other gods. Mohameds influence was far reaching and so Allah came to be known as the creator God. so that is wat it is now to all Arabs. so there is the original initial meaning and the present day meaning. But Muhammad did not completely eradicate the rituals associated with these idols.. He allowed for the circumbulation of the kabba, kissing of stone, pilgrimage etc as was used by the pagans to be used by his followers
let me say it like this. there is a particular village that worships so many gods but they refer to one particular idol as the cheif of these gods. they call this cheif god Sango. In their dialect Sango means cheif god but this cheif god was the father of other gods who had diferent other roles such as fertility, war, success etc. This cheif gods particular role was protection of the village. With time, someone came to the village and started telling them of an almighty God(not a small god) remeber this village refers to Sango as almighty since he is the chief. as people began to accept this visitors God. they began to refer to this new God as Sango since to them Sango represents cheif. so now they call this new God cheif/Sango. as generation pass by Sango is now generally accepted as the Almighty God. they replaced the Sango(idol)whose primary role is protection with Sango (God).creator God
the igbos are a clear example to this. Initially Chi was an igbo god. when christianity came the igbos now refer to Almighty God as Chi. when they say Chi ukwu(chukwu) it means big God to diferntiate him from other chis/gods. They also say chi neke (God that creates) to refer to this particular God that creates. The former diety was never worshipped as a creator.. so you see Chi has not always being used to refer to a creator God but a diety who had its main function and never claimed to create. but now Chi is being used as to refer to God the creator.
its just a situation of change in representations.
so Allah changed from a chief god with relations to Al Uzat etc to a monotheist creator God. but even this new concept of Allah as used by Muhammed does not fit into what Elohim/Yahweh represents. there are so many reasons why i say this. but i will just give a few 1. Elohim is refered as father but Allah as represented by quran does not beget 2. Allah contradicts many things Elohim said. 3.. Allah seemed to endorse lust to his prophet by allowing him marry several wives. a prophet is supposed to be more sober and restrictive than ordinary followers. 4. Allah's worshippers still engage in rituals engaged by pre islamic pagans.
so the arabs used to refer to a cheif god hubal as Al-ilah(the god). but now they refer to a creator God as Al-ilah(the god) due to influence of islam. but the deity being refered to as a creator God is not the same as the creator God that has being known before. it seems to me that some other diety is impersonating, using the creator God title to attack the real creator God that has being before.(this explains why this impersonator is almost totally against the creator God that has been before and his worshippers. this explains why this impersonator has taken the holy site of the creator God that has been before. this explains why this impersonator has commanded his followers to curse, bomb, subject to second class status by paying jizyah the worshipers of this God that has been before).
like i told you in the other thread. you and Mohamed are not in the right religion the religion as practised by Moses and Aaron. You are not doing so many things Moses and Aaron did. They washed themselves yes but they also used arks, alters, anointing oils, Bread, incense, burnt offerings in their worship and this you are not doing. It means you have missed it.
Allow me to direct you to the people who still follow Moses. Yeah the Jews. We will begin with their religous books. Then from then we can move on.
After all i have said. Pls dont stay back in a wrong religion. I know it may be difficult but its a worthy price to get the real deal..
hi guys. I need someone to advice me on what to do I am a first timer with benz and I uses a c200 benz which I bought from a naija user. At first,I had no issue with the ride not until a day my neighbour informed of a likely fuel scarcity which made me fill my tank. I drove back home.later,when I was about going out,it refused to start.so I had to raise it over and over before it can move because once it manages to start,it goes off once I put it in drive(it is auto). Later,the mechanic worked on it and it a bit fair. Later I changed my mechanic and result was better in that it starts at once at the first kicking of the day but the subsequent kicking will require small raising because it won't raise completely by itself. Pls can you recommend a sound mechanic for me or what should I do In addition,once I start it and I want to move it,it will not move and goes off again.
Islam › Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by olamkas: 5:52am On May 04, 2013
