deSika: @ wheels the link u refered me to was asking what God is called in arabic translations of bible.. u clearly misuderstanding two concepts, d name of God and the word God. i asked in this thread www.nairaland.com/1244143/ question-muslims-name-god wat Allahs personal name is and i got no answer even from Thaba but one other guy said NAMELESS.

deSika: but actually wats ur position on this question

deSika: *do yu think Yahweh and Allah are referring to same diety *if answer is yes. then go on to test the proof in the op *if no, u will be excused from d op.

WHξξ∟s:


Ilah was used when translating Elohim & Allah was used while refering to Yahweh, Something your scholars prefer, maybe presenting your stand on this might likely convince them to correct this error. Arabs & Hebrews doesn't use g or G that is why the unique Ilah /elohim is called Allah/Yahweh.



Your folks say no Elohim but Yahweh, Muslims say there is no Ilah but Allah. Elohim & Ilah stands for god, the jews call the supreme God Yahweh while the muslims call him Allah. A non Muslim Arab & a Muslim Jew knows it is a name of their Ilah or Elohim. My position is, i think they are both right since they rely on the scripture. But if a gentile negro can object as you do i will just let him be.



The Quran teaches who Allah was in Surah Ikhlas & numerous ayas conveyed same theme regarding his uniqueness which some verses in your bible also agree with denoting his oneness. So i concur with your arabic scholars who agree to translate Yahweh as Allah not Ilah. A hebrew who embraces Islam would glorify his Rabb[surah A'ala: 1] in his dialect if he wishes, no problem with that.

deSika:
bro, i must confess, ur response is one of the most intelligent responses i have ever gotten on this section.

so i get from ur response that u belive both are the same. ok now can yu go over to the proof of test.
wil u agree to use Yahweh in ur prayers, write ups, only for one week. (if u use Yahweh u wud not be refering to another God).
#its just to prove that deep inside u, u agree to wat u r saying.

RWilliams: Hello Jowlzaar , Good question.
[size=14pt]The truth is we don’t know the true pronunciation,[/size]but Jehovah has for many years been the anglicized pronunciation of the divine name, as are Jesus, Joshua and countless other Hebrew names that no one raises a question about .
https://www.nairaland.com/4050/jehovahs-witnesses-only-true-religion/8#8744580

deSika:
bro, i must confess, ur response is one of the most intelligent responses i have ever gotten on this section.

so i get from ur response that u belive both are the same. ok now can yu go over to the proof of test.
wil u agree to use Yahweh in ur prayers, write ups, only for one week. (if u use Yahweh u wud not be refering to another God).

deSika:
#its just to prove that deep inside u, u agree to wat u r saying.

LagosShia: @Ayomivic

please stop regurgitating the same topics which you previously have opened threads on.i don't think people have the time to keep explaining the same thing over and over.and I don't really care whether you think "Yahweh" and Allah (swt) are the same God.if they are not the same then "Yahweh" is not Allah (swt),and to us Allah (swt) refers to the Unseen Almighty Creator of all,who is One and Unique without a son or partner,and without a beginning and an end.

this is the thread you previously started:

"Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah?"
https://www.nairaland.com/993524/christians-god-yaweh-he-same

LagosShia:

we cannot use "Yahweh" at all because "Yahweh" is the speculative name used by Christians referring to God,and derived from the Tetragrammaton (YHWH)

.the Jehovah's witnesses have rendered the four letters (YHWH) into a different pronunciation in every language and attributed it as the correct form in referring to God.in Arabic Jehovah's witnesses call Him "yahwah".in Japanese,its "ehoba".in English its "Jehovah".so which is correct? which is the one Jesus (as) used? God has a name in every language based on the tetragrammaton for Jehovah's witnesses.

we as muslims thank God that the name we use is clearly spelled out in the Quran as "Allah",from the same root word that Jesus (as) is recorded to have called God: Elah.

here is the confession of a Jehovah's witness after debate with him:



if Jesus (as) used the word "Elah",and the word have the same root as "Al-Lah",then why do you insist on using what is doubtful and you are not sure of? where did Jesus (as) pronounce God's name as "Jehovah" or "Yahweh"? in fact not once does the tetragrammaton appear in the New Testament.did God forget to include His name in the new testament? to this fact,when you go through the New World Translation of the Bible,which is the official version used by Jehovah's witnesses,you see that in the new testament they have replaced anywhere "lord" appears with "Jehovah".

so try and drop this your meaningless and boring topic.this is no sense and cannot help your situation either.it will only cause you more harm than good,and you'd surely end up envying the muslims.anywhere you go in the world,the muslims refer to God as "Allah".but Jehovah's witnesses alone have over a hundred word derived from the tetragrammaton to refer to God.

LagosShia: ^
I have made two posts in this thread already,and this is my third.and in this you should know i'm not running away and didn't run away from your "comforter" thread.these are old topics that have been discussed previously.they are now boring and a waste of time when discussed with someone who's arguing over nothing! i have convincingly to the best of my knowledge contributed in your threads.if you like what ive said,good.if you don't like my contributions,then suit yourself.those with sound minds will read and understand what ive already said.

Salam,Shalom,Peace!!!

PS: you can ask also if "shalom" and "salam" refers to the samething.

WHξξ∟s:


Muslims use Allah while referring to God Almighty, a perfect word generally accepted by us, unlike the tetragrammaton that upto these days some xtians pronounce differently, when the Holy Quran addresses an account vividly i wont rebel to accept an ambiguous tale, just let the Hebrews hebrew their God my gentile friend.



The likeness of your request is like that of an Igbo man who ask a non Igbo speaking Hausa to use Chineke instead of Ubangiji in the North.. Irrational, isnt it?

deSika:
funi guy. u just helped to buttress my point
Salaam(arabic) is same as Shalom(hebrew) that explains why u can say both.
this is exactly wat am asking muslims to do
if Allah (arabic) is same as Yahweh(hebrew) u guys should be able to pronounce them alongside or interchangeably without stress
[a situation where u cant do this means that they are not the same]d proof is on u guys. just show it

LagosShia: What is His Name? His Name is ALLAH (EVEN IN THE BIBLE)!!!

See below for evidence:Allah appears in the Bible and the tetragrammaton from which the pressumed word "Jehovah" is formed also appears in the Quran.

http://www.institutealislam.com/what-is-his-name-by-sheikh-ahmed-deedat/

LagosShia: "Jehovah"/"Yahweh" is a pressumption from the tetgrammaton or "four letters" (YHWH) by injecting vowels.those four letters are not articulated.also,if you search deep you will know that the tetgrammaton (YHWH) is not a word but an adjective phrase refering/describing the uniqueness to/of the One Almighty God who is Unseen.YHWH refers to "He that is Present" or "Oh He (who is)" in literal arabic and hebrew.the tetragrammaton can also be found in the Holy Quran in several places by the phrase "Qul HoWaH Allahu" which means "Say He is Allahu"!

the prefix,"YA" is an exclamation in semitic languages meaning "Oh".if you add "Ya" to "HoWaH" it becomes "YaHoWaH" (YHWH).

"HoWaH"="He is"!


so YaHoWah = "Oh He (who is)".

what hapens is simply injecting vowels into the letters (YHWH) in order to make the letters pronounceable.

if Allah (arabic) is same as Yahweh(hebrew) u guys should be able to
pronounce them alongside or interchangeably without stress [a situation where u cant do this means that they are not the same]d
proof is on u guys. just prove it

f you cant do this, then in yur subconsious mind both words are not
same meaning that both Gods are not the same.
therefore no muslim should say Yahweh is the same as Allah. no
muslim should say the prophet Jesus, Moses and the rest worshiped
Allah by prostrating or facing their jewish temple in prayers to
Yahweh. #the ball is in your court

LagosShia:


"Jehovah"/"Yahweh" is a pressumption from the tetgrammaton or "four letters" (YHWH) by injecting vowels.those
four letters are not articulated.also,if you search deep you will
know that the tetgrammaton (YHWH) is not a word but an adjective phrase refering/describing the uniqueness to/of the One
Almighty God who is Unseen.YHWH refers to "He that is Present"
or "Oh He (who is)" in literal arabic and hebrew.the
tetragrammaton can also be found in the Holy Quran in several
places by the phrase "Qul HoWaH Allahu" which means "Say He is Allahu"!
the prefix, "YA" is an exclamation in semitic languages meaning "Oh".if you add "Ya" to "HoWaH" it becomes "YaHoWaH" (YHWH). "HoWaH"="He is"! so YaHoWah = "Oh He (who is)". what hapens is simply injecting vowels into the letters (YHWH) in
order to make the letters pronounceable

deSika:
u just cant stop amazing me bro
its u dat said Yahweh is a presumption of YHWH. Now u r presuming and inventing vowels into YHWH to become YaHoWaH. wats d diference btw u and those people u accuse of presuming uhn. how do u know wat vowels to inject into YHWH, how do know weda those vowels are the right ones. since u say d jews are wrong in injecting a and e.

secondly u cud hv asked me to borrow u a knife to aid ur cutting skills. u presented YaHoWaH then proceeded to cutting it into Ya and HoWaH.

thirdly do u realise that u r saying we can cut out prefix from peoples names. La is the prefix of LagosShia, Mu is the prefix of Mohamed, Jo is the prefix in Jonathan.

fourtly imagine ur name being ohlagosShia as in adding an exclamation in ur name. dats just wonderful. i cud imagine dat at evry time people called God they were so surprised and had to exclaim oh! he is(who he is) is here

by the way. i dont buy into yur YaHoWaH theorem. ofcos its YHWH. the hebrew guys (the owners of the word) agree its YaHWeH. ur folks(non owner of the word) say its YaHoWaH. wu shud be belived owners or non owners. wu is more of an authority on d hebrew language.(imagine dragging the interpretation of eshe with a yorubaman) and yu even go further to break it into Y and HWH uhn.

finally from ur logic, dont yu think we shouldnt be talking of YHWH anymore. it shud be HWH since Y (oh) is an exclamation and can be thrown away as yu did in "Qul HoWaH Allahu"

so my frnd even if i give u the benefit of the doubt and allow u go with ur YaHoWaH theorem. do u think that that YaHoWaH of urs is same as Allah. dis is actually wat the op is asking and not weda YHWH is YaHWeH or YaHoWaH. thank u

deSika: Allah is an arabic word. u r definitely not an arab or are u. if u were an arab then asking u to call God in hebrew wud be tantamount to wat u say above. but as it is. arabic is a foreign language to u as is hebrew.

deSika: {if u as a nigerian (which am sure u are but corret me if am wrong) can refer to God in arabic then u can also do same in hebrew as both are foreign to u.

deSika: by d way let me remix ur statement for u.

deSika: The likeness of your request is like that of an [arab man] who ask [u a nigerian] speaking [nigerian language] to use [Allah] instead of ur [nigerian language] in [Nigeria].. Irrational, isnt it?

WHξξ∟s:


The Quran distinguish btwn Ilah & Allah[Surah at tur 43], both Ubangiji & Chineke refer to Ilah which can be a god or God but the word in the Quran Allah is the appropriate word denoting His name. Many Muslims strive to unsterstand Islam arming themselves with knowledge of both the Arabic text & its meaning/translation, but Hebrew knowledge was rare amongst the gentile, it is possible my friend desika do not know AKBAR in hebrew but Many 9ja Muslims are fluent in Arabic & those Muslims prefer to use Allah, a Hausa man doesnt recognise Ubangiji as a name to the supreme God cos he knows the Quran & he is fully convinced that Allah is the appropriate name.



I will end up making things worse to myself, if you can hold a koboko and ask me to say Akbar in Hebrew, unless the holy spirit intervened i wont be able to, but Alhamdulillah, English & Arabic are foreign to me but this task wont be huge.



Chaii, Dj desika, this one no be disco hall oo. Use paraphrase next time. Lemme give an example of remixing, Dj moses in exodus say God gave his name as He is/i am, Dj jesus in matt call him [b]Ela/Eloi/Eli], my negro gentiles use Jehovah, adonai,yhwh,jhvh,ehyeh,yehvah, yahuwa e.t.c but the original track is THE SUPREME GOD.



Why wouldn't i? I will be a cornered mouse if i try to rebel, Ubangiji is same as Ilah, i wont object to use Allah since i am a Muslim & the Quran deliniate his name vividly. But why would i comply to a negro gentile request to use an ambiguous name from a foreign language which even the gentile do not know and he has to circumlocute profusely when asked how his fellow gentiles view that name.

Your folks say no Elohim but Yahweh, Muslims say there is no Ilah but Allah. Elohim & Ilah stands for god, the jews call the supreme God Yahweh while the muslims call him Allah. A non Muslim Arab & a Muslim Jew knows it is a name of their Ilah or Elohim. MY POSITION IS, I THINK THEY ARE BOTH RIGHT since they rely on the scripture. But if a gentile negro can object as you do i will just let him be.

So i concur with your arabic scholars who agree to translate Yahweh as Allah not Ilah

i then went on to say wil u agree to use Yahweh in ur prayers, write ups, only for one week. (if u use Yahweh u wud not be refering to another God). #its just to prove that deep inside u, u agree to wat u r saying.

The likeness of your request is like that of an Igbo man who ask a non Igbo speaking Hausa to use Chineke instead of Ubangiji in the North.. Irrational, isnt it?

Chaii, Dj desika, this one no be disco hall oo. Use paraphrase next time. Lemme give an example of remixing, Dj moses in exodus say God gave his name as He is/i am , Dj jesus in matt call him [b]Ela/Eloi/Eli], my negro gentiles use Jehovah, adonai,yhwh,jhvh,ehyeh,yehvah, yahuwa e.t.c but the original track is THE SUPREME GOD.

But why would i comply to a negro gentile request to use an ambiguous name from a foreign language which even the gentile do not know and he has to circumlocute profusely when asked how his fellow gentiles view that name.

deSika: first let me say this. all u guys have mastered the art of dodging and not answering a question directly. i wud like u to direct me to any of ur posts on this thread that categorically answers this question. is Allah same as God. categorical ansa shud be yes or no before u start explaining why u think so.

deSika: bro, i must confess, ur response is one of the most intelligent responses i have ever gotten on this section. so i get from ur response that u belive both are the same

deSika: Rational/irrational bla bla bla

deSika: The likeness of your request is like that of an [arab man] who ask [u a nigerian] speaking [nigerian language] to use [Allah] instead of ur [nigerian language] in [Nigeria].. Irrational, isnt it?

WHξξ∟s:
Why wouldn't i? I will be a cornered mouse if i try to rebel, Ubangiji is same as Ilah, i wont object to use Allah since i am a Muslim & the Quran deliniate his name vividly. But why would i comply to a negro gentile request to use an ambiguous name from a foreign language which even the gentile do not know and he has to circumlocute profusely when asked how his fellow gentiles view that name.

deSika: Allah is an arabic word. u r definitely not an arab or are u. if u were an arab then asking u to call God in hebrew wud be tantamount to wat u say above. but as it is. arabic is a foreign language to u as is hebrew.

WHξξ∟s:
Many Muslims strive to unsterstand Islam arming themselves with knowledge of both the Arabic text & its meaning/translation, but Hebrew knowledge was rare amongst the gentile, it is possible my friend desika do not know AKBAR in hebrew but Many 9ja Muslims are fluent in Arabic & those Muslims prefer to use Allah, a Hausa man doesnt recognise Ubangiji as a name to the supreme God cos he knows the Quran & he is fully convinced that Allah is the appropriate name

deSika: {if u as a nigerian (which am sure u are but corret me if am wrong) can refer to God in arabic then u can also do same in hebrew as both are foreign to u.

WHξξ∟s:
I will end up making things worse to myself, if you can hold a koboko and ask me to say Akbar in Hebrew, unless the holy spirit intervened i wont be able to, but Alhamdulillah, English & Arabic are foreign to me but this task wont be huge.

deSika: and u no wat as typical u bring up somtin not related to the Allah Yahweh discussion we are into....|.....so if Dj Jesus remix Gods name how does it relate to wat u said that i cant ask an igbo man to call God Ugbangiji and i said back to u wat u ur sef said only changing igboman to wheels. wetin concern Jesus/Moses with ur first statement.

deSika: I hv hereby drawn my conclusion from u guys. seeing that its a taboo to interchange both words. therefore Allah is not same as YHWH(1)/Yahweh(2) or YaHoWah(3) accordinng to LagosShia Advice: stop deceiving urselves by saying . 1. Allah is same as Yahweh 2. Moses is the prophet of Allah when that Allah told him that his name is Yahweh (i am ) u wud only end up being IRRATIONAL (apologies to Wheels)

WHξξ∟s:


Behold! the hallucinating gentile is rebelling against his words again, if i really avoid your request & resort to provide peculiar answers instead, you wont dare to admit & give this remark:

I wish the presidency shall consider subsidizing the health sector & give free medication to the amnesia nitwits.[patriotic citizens prayer]

Am i wrong if i use a language i understand

Wasn't english foreign to you? what makes you chat in english Does that ridicule your ancestry? No!. As far as language is concerned, folks are free to chat & talk as as long as they understand what they were saying

Once again the gentile is attacking a straw man, i only point out an error in your statement & suggest you shall use paraphrase instead of remixing. It seems that you have just as much trouble making sense out of your folly, it makes one to ponder maybe this is some sort of medical condition.

You again prove why i should'nt use an ambiguous name which many folks call differently, thats why i said even your superiors circumlocute profusely before arriving at one [assumed] name. Again one thing you are ignorant of was Ehyeh was the right word your scholars drew to mean I am

quivah:
*do yu think Yahweh and Allah are referring to same diety
there is only 1 truth in your ill story! Yes! allah is a deity! Good you know yourself! But my almighty God isn't..
*if answer is yes. then go on to test the proof in the op
this is the most stupid thing have ever had!! Do you know what is called a psycological balance? No you don't,then i wouldn't argue on your test. Because,even if you wanna give it a try,your mind would prevent you! So,whats the essence,,, why don't you just hold on to your ill gotten belief! I have never seen a Christain comparing a muslim to him/her self because they know the difference is clear.. Don't know why it must always be you guys! Is it that you are scared you'v been misled or what?! Just stick to your belief!shiiiiooorrr