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stepone:
@ ola olabiy


'Gateman' is not a single word. it is separated 'Gate man' meaning 'Gatekeeper', and not English word made Nigerian. However it as been included for long>>> 1800

incorrect: Gatemen
correct: Gate man or Gate-men

Thanks. But, any links?

Because I don't think you are right.


http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gatekeeper



And, 'gate man?'

That's a new one. Let me know more.

Awon iya mi gbogbo.

Ma biinu Desola.

Leave the thread, please.

namfav:
i was refering to bliss5lyfe

Okay. . . sorry 'bout that.

But, let that Blissgirl be, too.

PointB:
Not really! Sometimes you have to descend to the gutter to educate some ignoramus. It doesn't change who you are one bit the moment you ascend.

Okay. But, let it go now.

She's moved on, abeg

PointB:
I don't really know why I have to be the one educating people like you, I mean people of your ilk.

So you expect Igbos to roll over and go quietly into the night when OPC and other Lagos Agbero come knocking at night. Why did you bother quoting what bliss4lyf wrote and trying to twist it when you know fully well that you dont have the wherewithal. They you shamefacedly brought it to me for interpretation. How old are you? Thirteen?  

Let her be, man. Why quote her again?

You really like trouble, man.

C'mon, come off it, man!

^^Stop it already. Don't provoke her




She's decided to move on. Please, leave her

O ti to oooooo, please.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

MaiLooodddd

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[quote author=isale_ggan link=topic=797884.msg9495570#msg9495570 date=1320621170]You do know that the aforementioned moniker purports to be is a man, right? [/quote]I know dear.

He's Forum Stranger (FStranger). My bosom buddy Stranger.

[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=797884.msg9495046#msg9495046 date=1320614924]Meonbooty, bootyonme- awon ode meji. Iru ru[/quote]

Abeg, free dem jare, especially, moi Stranger

Singing . . . .


Booty on me . . . me on booty




My one and only Stranger. I don miss ya jare

I don't need anyone in here to preach to me. Leave whereever you are and go and preach to your leaders and the whole society that remains unfair. See how none of you in here has addressed why a doctor who didn't write this test got his letter? The same crap at UCH. nO JOBS WITHOUT CONNECTION.
If the govt had taken good care of civil servants maybe we wouldn't have relied on him. Moreover, he didn't complain. So?


Besides, by God's grace we are okay today. Really okay - all on our own. And God. So?
The Nigerian govt didn't train him after all. Yet he came back and did all that was expected of him. He didn't complain about doctors salary. He wanted a job and the opportunity to do his consultancy. None of you commented about their request for his compound, ehn, in Lagos  . Imagine that. He was born there. He's Yoruba. What would they have done to an Igbo doctor then? Abeg, guys, make una forget that side

All I know is let no one complain. You're seeing nada yet. We are not here to contribute nada as we didn't take nada from no govt. The system will continue as it is.

It is survival of the fittest out there. So, let's do it.

We don't need any of you in here. Sorry about that. If you need healthcare, put some spoon in you mouth abeg

^^^^Okay, now they have refused to pay back, why not go and take their certificates away from them?

Kobojunkie:
Is there a reason why you keep jumping all over the place but never really addressing questions asked? So far, we have assumed that Pounds 35000(UK) is about $80,000(US). Why are you now trying to pretend this is now again being questioned in some way??

I hope you had a proper look at his Usename. Ola one IS NOT the same username as 'the one'.


Check again oo

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=796155.msg9493644#msg9493644 date=1320598412]*shrug*

Like I said, I view it as a business. It isn't by force for the government to hire every doctor who wants a government job.

And if private practice doesn't pay you enough, then unfortunate, but it is what it is.

Nobody owes anyone else a living in Nigeria, not to talk of doctors specifically.[/quote]Yep, it is what it is if they moved abroad as well. The Nigerian govt diddn't give them their brains.

End of.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=796155.msg9493535#msg9493535 date=1320596957]My position is fairly simple.

A) I don't want to sink massive amounts of money in subsidizing someone to be a doc only for them to leave. And this isn't really about doctors either specifically, it applies to almost any field. I'm anti massive university subsidies, period (with a few exceptions.)
B) However, if they've "paid back" (either explicitly or implicitly) the money used, then they are free to do whatever they like. Private practice in Nigeria (where I guess they'll be able to make a lot more money), go to Saudi, Yankee, etc.
C) I believe that if doctors feel that they are underpaid in Nigeria, they should be free to raise their rates if in private practice, or leave public service for private practice assuming condition B is met.
D) I don't believe in essential public workers striking (i.e., doctors working for the government.)

Basically, both sides should view it as a business. Nobody should be really doing favors for anyone else (except for D).

I'm not anti-doctor, anti-people-making-as-money-as-they-can-earn (I'm essentially a free market guy).

I don't view doctors as slaves or people who must serve the greater good (again, subject to condition D).

And FWIW, my little sister plans on being a doctor, and my cousin is a dentist in Lagos right now.[/quote]Private practice is not all that in Nigeria. My brother once told me there're more than 50 private hospitals in a small part of Surulere alone - all vying for the same market where oko oloyuns make more money.

Even in the Western world, that is a record for an area of that size.




And, above all, what if you intend to serve this govt and they don't want you? Many doctors are now jobless in Nigeria. Many!

Go to the same UCH this useless report is all about, find out how easy it is to get a job there as a doctor if you didn't graduate from UI.

tHERE IS NOOOOOOOOO job THERE.

tHEN, TRY LUTH and Lagos General. No job either if you are not highly connected. So, what do you expect these doctors to do?




Sometimes, it is better for some people not to comment on something they do not really understand

frosbel:
I simply mentioned that your brother is not a bank and you are all over the place.

Calm down brother

Just embark on your humanitarian mission and see how the same people you intend to serve will end up up making jest of how poor you are.

Try it.

oyb:
frosbel, unless you come back to nigeria to work as a civil servant, you have NO business commenting on the choices of other not to serve their fatherland

you also had a 'free UI education". so come and give back to your fatherland, go and work in the civil service

nonsense


the funny thing is that so many of the people blathering about doctors WILL ALWAYS TRY TO GET OUT OF PAYING DOCTORS THEIR BILLS

this is the same reason why many private hospitals insist on deposit before treatment

i should know, doctors have very big hearts and nigerians (even the rich ones) love taking advantage of this. i have lost count of the number of people who will troop to my dad's clinic for treatment and start dodging when its time to pay.

Thank you jare.

My dad served for more than 35 yrs and where's the appreciation? The govt would owe them and use the same money to send their children abroad. Why are they not humanitrian? Why take from govt coffers and plunder? Why amass wealth for your family alone at the expense of the whole society. If everyone believed in this humanitarian thing would they have starved my secondary school of teachers and fund?


If Frosbel's parents believed this humanitarian crap he would be somewhere in Jalingo today as he would not be able to afford travel ticket abroad.

He's talking shyyyyyyte!

i should know, doctors have very big hearts and nigerians (even the rich ones) love taking advantage of this. i have lost count of the number of people who will troop to my dad's clinic for treatment and start dodging when its time to pay.

Yeah, you are right. It got to a stage my brother concluded that those who begged in the name of Jesus, etc were the ones who would not pay.

Lines like "ah, doctor, I am a pastor. I will pay you. Next month. Please, help us". They were the ones who never paid.



Is it not funny that churches (that Frosbel represents) spend much time preaching about prosperity and not humanitarian efforts?

[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=796155.msg9493308#msg9493308 date=1320593739]My white teacher in secondary school somewhere is SW Nigeria practically sacrificed his life for us trying to make sure we learn, even when our Nigerian teachers were busy complaining.

He had to farm to buy necessary lab materials to keep us going. He got offers from top companies in Lagos but refused to leave until when things got so bad.

Our people have to learn to sacrifice. Let's assume they pay doctors $40000 per annum, if Nigerian economy can not afford such, all our doctors should leave? These doctors have been trained with Nigeria's money and they should learn to give back.
If we refuse to build our country, who is going to build it for us?[/quote]

frosbel:
^^^^^^


Thank You.

Best comment so far.

Talk is cheap. . .  lead the way.

Are you in Africa? Uhn? Answer and stop talking crap!

Kobojunkie:
I still don't see what you are saying at all. First you admit that for UK, 35000 pounds is more than good for an entry-level position, but then you turn around to claim it is not good for doctors. Are you suggesting that the job should then PAY for the choices of the students to attend these schools, from day one? Is that now what the companies should be there for?

What do you mean by 'choices?'

He mentioned Manchester, he wants to pay 500 pounds there - maybe somewhere close to Moss side?

He hasn't factored in council tax and bills.

And, does he expect all doctors to live in Manchester?

At 35k, that's around 2300 after tax. Some nurses earn close to that.

The funny thing is that this IDI.OT (Frosbel) lives abroad. Why not leave whatever you and doing and embark on what you are preaching here?

Why not go and develop Africa?

Ode buruku.

frosbel:
Nonsense

But tell me why should your brother be the one to end your financial worries, this is madness gone riot.

His career is for the benefit of his family first and if he can afford to help his extended family good, otherwise other than parents it is not a must.

Bad mentality.

Read your own book and pass your own exams.




Nothing is wasted serving your fatherland , it is not always about money money money, honestly can you guys not see beyond dollars


He should have bought a new mattress and disinfected the room.




Oh yeah, huge wages to send back home , while multitudes are living in want of medical help.

When will a Nigerian put the welfare of others above their fanatical desire for comfort and luxury.

This is why the white man has succeeded, in those old days, they gave up all they had to come and live in Squalor while helping the natives.

We too love life, that's why Nigeria is the way it is today.

Good

Are you this stupi,d? Are you naturally a twerp? You are saying it is nonsense for him to cater for a family that had suffered toooooooooooooooo much? Are you retarded? Do you care for your parents at all?

Are you telling me he should live a dejected life just because he is a doctor while spare parts dealers build flats in Ikoyi?

Are you telling me he should live on a salary that is so small most Nigerian girls would not even consider you for marriage?

Are you saying that it is wrong to uplift his family? His siblings? Are you a Nigerian? Are you an African at all?


My dad believed in this crap mentality of yourS and that's why we faced a lot financially. It got to a stage they used to owe him up tO 5 months' salary. He couldn't change my crap secondary school. I had to read on my own.

His pension has still not been paid after many many years.





In fact, may God punish you. IDIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

Kobojunkie:
So, a doctor earning Pounds 35,000 in first year cannot pay Pounds 1200 for a flat at all? He/she has to be paid millions from the get go for him/her to be able to afford nothing but luxuries? Again, I don't follow. there are people living in the same UK who earn less than Pounds 22,000 a year and they are not in hell(even though many of them have probably 5 years or more of experience in their respective fields). Even PHD holders are not guaranteed a salary of POunds 30,000 on entry-level in the UK and they invest 8 years and more in studying as well. So, please help me understand what it is about $80,000 a year that is not good for a starting salary?

I didn't say 35k was bad. It is more than good in the UK. Not many people are on that rate. But, for doctors, it is inadequate - very small. Why not go on Amazon and check out prices of medical books - good ones.




A PHD is not the same as an MBBS. Many Nigerians are on PHD abroad.

Kobojunkie:
I don't follow. Are you saying that  35,000 pounds(~$80,000) entry level salary is bad, even in the UK, for any profession?https://images-4.findicons.com/files/icons/1039/manto/128/bother.png

Yep, for doctors who had to undergo training for 'bout 8 yrs. A good flat in the UK will cost you 'bout 1200 pounds every month. Some flats (2 bed) in central/west London cost up to 2500 a WEEK!. A doctor should be able to pay for these things.

Kobojunkie:
35,000 pounds is still about $80,000 or more. Please check the numbers. You may not consider it much but I know tons of people in the UK who have worked not less than 5 years and do not make 35,000 pounds a year that easy, in the same UK.

Doctors they are not.



By 'not much' I meant for doctors abroad.

Kobojunkie:
lol . . . . You didn't even notice how he SWITCHED this to Doctors DURING RESIDENCY( not really considered graduates in most all countries until AFTER RESIDENCY). The average doctor according to reports available online earn upwards of $80,000 both in Europe and America( in UK the start is at about $35 k and above which is well over $80000). In the US, a friend who recently completed residency and is now out in the job market, signed an over $100,000 a year contract in the city. Good research will reveal this is no special case at all.

In the UK, baby doctors don't earn much (around 35K; not much). Only consultants and GPs do. And, the locum rate is even better (for consultants) - incredible rates!

Ekt wants every Nigerian to pay huge rates for education. Yet, he doesn't want doctors to go on strike for better salaries/working condition.

He wants a system where doctors'd not be able to pay for their children. Imagine that!

He wants them to live in Ajegunle because they are doctors and their profession is humanitarian.


He is safely enscounced in America so he doesn't care.


This Ekt, mhennn

naijababe:
^ And the bot didn't get the above. Ultimate uselessness

I knew that Idunnu, sorry Odunnu, would something about it. A good MOD, that gurl .

As usual, Ekt is here analyzing a terrain he hardly understands.

If you are a doctor and you practise in Naija then you need help. You really need help, then.


My brother trained abroad (scholarship). Immediately he completed his programme, he returned to Nigeria. It was a horrible experience for the whole family (as we were so hopeful that having a doctor in the family would end our financial worries). But, this na Naija. And, that's when it dawned on me that Nigeria was beyond redemption.

He wasted 3 years serving his fatherland. From the exam meant for all foreign-trained doctors (he did his in Kaduna) to housemanship and NYSC. It was horrible, he suffered so much as we did not have any money. He's only brilliant enough to gain this scholarship. But, he persevered.  However, what followed was horrible!

During his housemanship, he was given a room full of bed bugs. He couldn't stay there.

Then when it was time for full employment, he passed the test conducted by the General Hospital in Lagos. He was invited to there useless interview and that's where he discovered that Nigeria was useless beyond redemption.

My parents gave birth to him when they were living in Lagos (the only one born in Lagos among us). The interviewers asked him to name his compound (imagine that) in Lagos, he told them he was only born in Lagos and not a Lagosian apart from his birth certificate. That was there main question at this interview meant for doctors . Eventually, they didn't give him the job.
Meanwhile, a friend (also a doctor) of his did not write the test conducted but his brother was a member of the House of Assembly, Lagos. And, he was sent a letter of employment - no test no interview oooo .

My brother continued to practise privately, surviving practically on d and cs for girls and women.

He got tired of the system and returned abroad. Today, he is a member of a Royal College and earning huge wages.

Today, he could afford to send our mum on medical check-ups abroad. Something we thought was beyond our family.

Nigeria is a crazy entity where merit matters NOT.


He hates Nigeria with PASSION. 'Nuff said.