EMILO2STAY:
buy I thought you have facts? Why not present it? Present it here and debunk me if you can.

[b]Of cause pilots know all components of their planes and that is why pilots are also trained aeronautical engineers... They literally fix the plane on ground when its bad.

That's sarcasm by the way.

You shouldnt even be mentioning gyroscopes at all because it was Foucault who gave the device its name, in an experiment (Greek "skopeein" ) meaning "TO SEE" the (Greek gyros, circle or rotation) "EARTH'S ROTATION".
The gyroscope was invented in 1852 by the French experimental physicist Leon Foucault (1819-1868) as part of a two-pronged investigation of the rotation of the earth.As the earth rotated beneath the gyroscope, it would maintain its orientation in space.

NB: Johann Bohnenberger of Germany made a similar instrument like a gyroscope but called it "machine" and it too was based on a rotating massive sphere.

So a gyroscope is a device in other words that proves the "spherical rotating earth", but it has to be on ground to prove that.

Now back to topic. Above the surface of the ground; that is on a craft like a ship, airplane, rocket etc, a gyroscope has found other applications other than proving the earth is spherical and spinning. It is an important component now in balancing and inertial navigation system of those crafts or any craft for that matter. Since the gyroscope is no longer on the ground but inside a craft to account for earth's curvature schuler tuning is then applied.

Autopilots use gyroscopes that account for the curvature of the earth and that is what schuler tuning is about. Which ever way you look at gyroscopes, if you truly understand why it was invented and how it works, you will see it was invented to prove ONE THING: THE EARTH'S SPIN AND ITS CURVATURE.

so maybe you can take that up with the late physicist Leon Foucault(Its inventor, the guy that proved the earth was rotating) or start a petition against the gyroscope or the use of the gyroscope all together.

Least I forget, the modification system doesn't break down, if it's does the altitude indicator become bad completely.[/b]




Let me help you repost my comment here since you are a "busy" person.

Learn or don't learn, I won't teach you about gyroscopes again.

EMILO2STAY:
why should i tell you about how the sun and moon maintain their orbit? Did I put them there?

You also lack evidence about gravity is said to make the ball earth runs around it from 93 million miles away.
. if you are still waiting for how air planes fly then you are the one who have chosen to remain in you state of induced ignorance.

I thought you where some matured intellectual but now I see how childish you are.

So you didn't put the moon and sun there yet you say your knowledge on physical laws are tested and trusted?

What did you do with Henry Cavendish experiment on gravity? Something that rookies replicate in physics lab.

Like I said if you really want to enjoy this game, just let's keep going.

Do you play chess?

Well I love chess and I have some moves to end this game but we just have to keep playing. Trust me okay.

EMILO2STAY:
you are not making any sense at all, the gyroscopes in an aircraft is meant to maintain a flat horizon. Not to detect the spin of the earth.


Now let me ask you pls how does a gyroscope detect the spin of the earth.?.

You are still mentioning GYROSCOPE, better invent a linearscope.

To find out how it detect the spin of the earth a simple google search will help you, mind you if that doesn't satisfy you take that up with the inventor or better still make your own device.

But if you are too busy to google then read my "previous post on gyroscope" for a recap.

EMILO2STAY:
your defence are weak. None is provable observable and repeatable.

You are exhausted and now your just typing for the sake of it.

What ever proof you think is still left on you ( I know there is nothing left in you) then I challenge you to bring it on and I promise to debunk it and show you that you have living in ignorance.

Coming from you who lack "evidence" as to how the sun and moon maintain their orbit?

How the sun and moon keep their plasma state without burning out since they have no core to heat up matter to plasma state, as they must be light enough to float in air?

Does that even sound logical?

More like your own "defence is weak. None is provable observable and repeatable".



I'm still waiting to hear how planes fly.

EMILO2STAY:
are you seriously saying that attitude indicator gyro means the spin of the earth. If this is true then you have finally exposed your ignorance.

I am a busy person, if you think my late reply is because I am doing research then think again. Look at the time which I reply you and you notice that.

I have been defending the flat earth reality since last year. Check my profile I have two threads on on the flat earth. I have done my research a long time ago. It is you who need to do your own bone work.

Not my problem if you didn't comprehend properly my previous post on gyroscope and Schuler tuning. Whenever you are less "busy" go and read it again but whether you eventually do that doesn't change the fact that a gyroscope was made to detect the spin of the earth.

I know it's a shocker to you but I got more where that came from. Let's just keep going okay. Just relax.

EMILO2STAY:
you are now exhausted and as such begining to sound incoherent and displaying ignorance.

Gyroscopes In aircraft are not invented to prove a globe neither foes the word gyro which means rotation does not refer to the spin of the earth but refers to a device consisting of a wheel or disc mounted so that it can spin rapidly about an axis.

You are so wrong on every side.

After more than 24 hours of research on your part and this was the weak defence you want to put up?

You can take that up with the internet, start a petition but remember any time you mention GYROSCOPE it means "to see the spin of the earth" and it's inventor used it to prove the Earth spin and curvature.

But in case you forget, anytime you mention "gyroscope" I will always remind you.

EMILO2STAY:
you mentions have not proven any point you are trying to make. You now just type for the sake of replying.

You have facts about how planes fly yet you just want to lead me on. Just listen to your self.

You were busy giving me multiply mentions now you just want to lead me on, but you user name is "onlyfacts" yet you have no facts to present.

I have a point to make, I will lead you there and drop it hot on you. Let's keep going please, it's too early to lose your patience.

You are almost there

EMILO2STAY:
non is farther away they are the same size and rotate about the same circumference tracing similar paths as they revolve around the face of the earth. How ever during winter the sun is situated at the southern paths of the flat earth and northern paths of the earth during summer and vice verser for the moon. Let me pause here i will continue tomorrow.

1B. Based on 1A, how will you explain the LUNAR ECLIPSE with the FLAT EARTH MODEL?

2A. Explain the concept of A LEAP YEAR using the FLAT EARTH MODEL.

2B. Why does A LEAP YEAR occur at all in the first place using the FLAT EARTH MODEL?

3A. Explain using the FLAT EARTH MODEL the occurrence of SEASONS (WINTER, SPRING, SUMMER and AUTUMN)

3B. Explain with the FLAT EARTH MODEL how we have TROPIC and TEMPERATE REGIONS.

Let's start with this concepts first. Please kindly explain them using the FLAT EARTH MODEL.
i'll like to learn a thing or two from you.

Regards and Best of luck.

Please come and continue. Thanks

EMILO2STAY:
schuler tuning is all about modification to already existing system of navigation. This modification only came about 25 to 30 years ago since the wright brothers invented the aircraft. Which is why most pilots do not know about it.. Some modern pilots who know about it don't even use it because when this modification system breaks down the pilots can still fly without any accounting of any curvature and when they call the company to explain the anomaly they would not answer and besides it is just one company that makes this medication device and distribute to all the aircraft companies.

Of cause pilots know all components of their planes and that is why pilots are also trained aeronautical engineers... They literally fix the plane on ground when its bad.

That's sarcasm by the way.

You shouldnt even be mentioning gyroscopes at all because it was Foucault who gave the device its name, in an experiment (Greek "skopeein" ) meaning "TO SEE" the (Greek gyros, circle or rotation) "EARTH'S ROTATION".
The gyroscope was invented in 1852 by the French experimental physicist Leon Foucault (1819-1868) as part of a two-pronged investigation of the rotation of the earth.As the earth rotated beneath the gyroscope, it would maintain its orientation in space.

NB: Johann Bohnenberger of Germany made a similar instrument like a gyroscope but called it "machine" and it too was based on a rotating massive sphere.

So a gyroscope is a device in other words that proves the "spherical rotating earth", but it has to be on ground to prove that.

Now back to topic. Above the surface of the ground; that is on a craft like a ship, airplane, rocket etc, a gyroscope has found other applications other than proving the earth is spherical and spinning. It is an important component now in balancing and inertial navigation system of those crafts or any craft for that matter. Since the gyroscope is no longer on the ground but inside a craft to account for earth's curvature schuler tuning is then applied.

Autopilots use gyroscopes that account for the curvature of the earth and that is what schuler tuning is about. Which ever way you look at gyroscopes, if you truly understand why it was invented and how it works, you will see it was invented to prove ONE THING: THE EARTH'S SPIN AND ITS CURVATURE.

so maybe you can take that up with the late physicist Leon Foucault(Its inventor, the guy that proved the earth was rotating) or start a petition against the gyroscope or the use of the gyroscope all together.

Least I forget, the modification system doesn't break down, if it's does the altitude indicator become bad completely.

EMILO2STAY:
the point i am making is that if given the same thing birds or planes have to a person then that person would be able to fly just as that bird or plane flew. Whether gliding or flying these things have to do with aerodynamics. So i have proven my point

if you give a man wing and have him flap this wings like the birds do he will fly. We already have flying mammals pls stop making arguments out of nothing. Anf you already agreed to what i said that if wings like that of a plane and a miniature jet engine is strapped to a man he will fly. You are simply contradicting yourself.
self. Birds are not the only thing that flies bats which are mammal fly too. You your argument here is null and void.

i already told you it is due to aerodynamics with the wings. If you think it is not then prove me wrong.

you simply grasping at straws and beating around the bush.

Oga planes fly due to the aerodynamics of the wings to the air if you doubt this then prove me wrong i challenge you. it is you who do not know about the flight of planes. I know this since was a kid and i used to make toy planes with radio motor. They would never fly if you do get the design of the wings right. If every thing physical can be explained then tell me why we living things get old and die? Tell me what is the sun and the moon and the stars made of. You said every thing physical can be explained then explain Polaris is still standing in the north pole after millennials of rotation of the earth. The human knowledge has limits. you can't have explanation for every thing this is a fact.


the spiritual controls the physical.

A man cant flap wings MANUALLY like a bird and fly, that isnt possible. Unless something else flaps the wing mechanical for him, fast enough for him to generate lift and fly.

I'm not going to teach you directly how planes fly but I'll lead you to the answer gradually, let's keep going.

So you finally agree you aren't sure of how the sun and moon maintain their "magnetic orbits" because you can't defend them being light enough to float and still having a metal core to produce magnetism. Shouldn't that alone tell you something is not right with your model?

EMILO2STAY:
this still prove nothing and you arw even wrong. There are suits desinged like that of a gliding squirrel that makes people fly and glide through the air, there are also wings desinged for flight like that of an aircraft that can be strapped to a person with a little jet engine to propel the person forward and fly. So pls dont make this comment again it is null and void.

. If you are truly scientific then you would truelly k owe that avoiding GOD scientific matters is not possible because science cannot explain every thing. Jeremiah 31:37Thus says the LORD: “If heaven above can be measured, And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel For all that they have done, says the LORD.

Gliding isn't flying, but controlled crashing. For flying you need to lift off the ground into the sky like a plane. For a jet man suit, that's putting a "miniature jet like plane design" at the back of a man for him to fly, that is technically flying.

So if you give a man a wing, he will simply glide from TOP of a height to the GROUND. so man needs more than a wing to fly... He NEEDS SOMETHING RESEMBLING A JET OR ROCKET STYLE DESIGN WITHOUT WINGS TO FLY.

So they are using a jet like plane to fly. But you still don't know why he is able to fly since you don't know how airplanes fly.

Everything physical has a physical explanation, unless you just want to be lazy about it. Like how planes fly.

Anything spiritual that is left for God to explain, as we can't see spirits.

EMILO2STAY:
if I don't know how air planes fly then give your own explanation and let's see of it has nothing to with the wings or the jet engine. Pls tey and let's see.

yes but it proves proves nothing but it beeing a fraud. Gyroscopes with attitude indicator is what every pilot who flies both military and commercial aircraft use every single day of flight. Schuler tuning is only found in less than 10% of every aircraft in the world so not all pilots use it at all.

Like I said start a petition already. You may uncover something or maybe learn something in the process

Wow really 10% of all aircraft's, from what source please?

EMILO2STAY:
yes that is my evidence because the earth is designed by a higher entity and every thing in it.it is not the product of a big bang from nothing because it lacks proof but the evidence for a creator has proof. The chambers of the sun and the moon and how they go about the earth is explained in the book of enoch and this tallies with reality.


Your last statement is void and null because we have mammals that fly too not just birds.

That doesn't change the fact that if you tried flying from the ground up it would be a massive fail.

I am a Godly person too but saying God in a scientific discussion and not a religious discussion is totally unnecessary. Just say you dont know or have the answers, you can even add YET to it.

EMILO2STAY:
I don't know of any proof you posses unless you present them.

And I have proceeds the theories you have as proofs. You are the one who have failed to give proof of a massive ball attracting another ball, how plane fly straight in reality if the earth was a ball. How we see the same stars our forefather used to navigate around the world, how we don't feel any movement of the earth etc. Give proofs that can be replicated in reality not theories. Every thing I tell you can be replicated I reality, tried tested and proven.

Henry Cavendish experiment, Schuler tuning, Foucault pendulum. They are being replicated globally. You can take that up with the internet if you wish.

EMILO2STAY:
. We are talking about observable, testable and repeatable experiments here. Also we are talking about physics which deals with the physical and as such it has to do with common sense, every day experience and and our reality.

Schuler or not plane have been flying straight before anything called schuler tuning. So what accounts for the curvature for planes without schuler.

It is common sense and our reality that plane fly horizontally till they get to their destination.
. you can't tell meet that I have been flying horizontally and vertically for hundreds of miles without my summon sense and reality accounting foe them. We are humans, living things with senses this is why we are intelligent creatures. Mitsubishi , Boeing , embraer, airbus can't tell me I am flying vertically when I am sitting upright. When the right brothers fly their planes was their any schuler there to account foe the curvature for them? This is why I told you that it is a fraud because even pilots don't use it because it is not needed, why is it not needed? ;because there is no curvature to account for.

You still don't know how airplanes fly but you want to school airline manufacturers about altitude indicators? All the best.

And mind you schuler tuning has been part of aviation gyroscopes.

Like I said start a petition already. You may uncover something or maybe learn something in the process

EMILO2STAY:
you are not making sense here, are birds the only animals that fly? Do we not have mammals like bats the size of rats and mouse that fly? Your statement proves nothing.

The sun and moon are plasma, but the plasma has to be formed somewhere? If they don't have a very hot CORE to form the plasma ,then how did the plasma come about? Plus if they were initially plasma from the beginning by now they should have exhausted all the plasma and burnt out. God created the lights and put them there that is how they came about. No one has been to the sun or the moon to proper study them and know why they are not burning out. The God who put them there mainland them.

So in other words you have no answer but GOD to give and this is EVIDENCE you have to prove your point?

Good, make yourself a bird wing or any other wing and attempt to fly from the ground upwards and see if it's not a MASSIVE FAIL.

EMILO2STAY:
perspective simple. That is why we see deffermet set of stars at different locations.

And you failed to explained why Wes still see the same stars if the earth is spinning? You ask more questions now than proving your self.

I would like it very much if you gift me this poofs because that is what I have been longing for.

You know I have so many proofs but you really haven't processed the earlier ones I gave you. But those already proven and demonstrated countless times over to actually work. So I'm becoming a bit skeptical in sharing too much of those information, so I don't give you an OVERLOAD.

If it's just perspective then you are incorrect. Since it's the same sky we should still be able to see the same stars, WORSE CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES.

EMILO2STAY:
this is not about explaining, this is about proving. Explaining only have to do with theories. Proving have to do with facts. You have not proved any thing.

There is no experiment anywhere in the world that shows a massive object attracting other massive objects. The common sense and logic in the theory of gravitation by mass is that if the earth is a ball attracted to another massive ball like the sun then it follows that the earth should be gumming unto the the ball of the sun by now instead of orbiting around it. This magic gravity that is said to be making the earth spin around the sun instead of gumming unit it does not follow the common sense and logic of gravitationn by mass and so it is null and void.




If the earth is a spinning ball coursing through space with the entire solar system moving we should not be seeing the same stars our fore fathers seas hundreds of years ago, this shouldn't even be an argument at all it is common sense. The conatlation with which the zodiacs are made can still be seen today proving the earth to be non moving.
Polaris the north pole star should not be standing in the north pole today if the earth is shining in space.
This matter about dates settles the fact that the earth is not moving. Again these are facts not theories like you present.

You still didn't explain how we see different set of stars on different poles of the earth?

By the way before I gift you too many evidence, DON'T FORGET TO ANSWER THE REMAINING QUESTIONS I ASKED ON THE OTHER THREAD. thanks.

EMILO2STAY:
no you are wrong, the cavendish experiment has never been replicated by any and that is why it is criticized to day even within the science community.

There is no experiment anywhere that shows a ball of mass getting attracted to another ball of mass.

What are you saying about schuler tuning? It thought you said gravity curves the plane now it is schuler tuning that curves the plane.


There is absolutely no way an aircraft will be curving and it will remain level at the same time time this is impossible schuler tuning is a fraud that does nothing. Many pilots do not use this and some do not even know of it. This schuler tuning is only a propaganda tool to hide the truth. The fact is that pilots use attitude indicator to maintain a flat horizon. If schuler tuning is accounting for curvature then why do planes fly straight? Why used an attitude indicator to keep the flight straight and level. How come this curvature is not detected by the attitude indicator that uses Gyroscopes?. How can a plane fly horizontally for several miles and then vertical again for several mile and this is not accounted for by our reality or the attitude indicator? Schulert tuning does nothing and this is why it is not known by many pilots and is not even used in flight.

You can keep arguing with the Henry Cavendish experiment, that won't change the fact. Just watch rookies demonstrate it to you on YouTube at least, if you find it hard to read articles on it.

The attitude indicator (AI) also known as the gyro horizon is part of the design feature of all altitude adjustment indicators, manual or artificial which accounts for schuher tuning. Like I said its all over the internet. Maybe you should take it up with Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, Mitsubishi and the rest of airline manufacturing
companies. They all agree it's part of their design feature for attitude indicators so rest the matter, or take it up in court, or start a petition against them.

EMILO2STAY:
this question is unnecessary. Anything can fly if given wings with proper design that enables the aerodynamics necesary for flight. This is why aircrafts fly. The design of the wings causes the aerodynamics necessary for flight and the jet engines moves the plane and the wings to go against the air. It is the same thing with helicopter blades. They rotate against the wing and the aerodynamics provide lift.

yes the magnetic field is from the earth and this is evidenced bt the fact that Every compass on The earth points northwards because of the strong magnetic field emanating from that part of the earth

the sun and moon are plasmas not a ball with a core. This things have there own place and area which they never move away from.

So you are saying you can fly given a wing right? Same as a rat, a donkey etc?
The sun and moon are plasma, but the plasma has to be formed somewhere? If they don't have a very hot CORE to form the plasma ,then how did the plasma come about? Plus if they were initially plasma from the beginning by now they should have exhausted all the plasma and burnt out.

EMILO2STAY:
the 2d map I used is the marcators projection map which is still based on the
globe earth model and the distance between those two locations do not change So it is correct.

Now based on your meme. You can clearly see that no. 6 and no. 4 show that it is straight line path across from taiwan to Los angeles which confirms what I said initially using the marcators map.

This flight arrived anchorage 3hrs 29 minutes ahead of its scheduled time therefore proving that far behind Los angeles and would have been impossible on the globe earth because the distance to anchorage is only a little less than the distance to Los angeles as the plane flying to LA on a straight path across the ocean to Los angels.

the second image from google earth you posted is wrong because that is not the actual flight path from Taiwan to LA. The black line moves as if the plane is flying directly to anchorage and not LA. But in actual fact the plane was flying directly to LA across the ocean before the emergency occurred.

And I thought you liked evidence. I won't repeat myself again on 2-dimensional map and 3-dimensional map. Learn or don't learn.

I'll show you the original flight path of the plane as recorded from its flight analysis data, it is indicated in a red circle as compared to mine also in a red circle.

Identical both are.

EMILO2STAY:
like I said before, for anything to qualify as scientific fact it has to be observable provable and repeatable .

The experiment of Henry cavendish touted as an evidence of gravity but no scientist has been able to replicate in over 200yrs. This only means that Henry cavendish lied about his experiment. There are other experiment by other scientist which was done to prove gravity like that of Leon foucault with his foucaults pendulum, gustav coriolis with his coriolis effect, these all failed to prove gravity.

The cavendish experiment till today has not been and is even wildly criticized by the scientific community.

The cavendish experiment was a fraud because hanging two kinds lead balls and watching to see if they will attract each other cannot be replicated in real life by any body. If you doubt this then try doing it and see if you will notice any movement. Till today their remains no proof of gravity that can be shown in any experiment at all. So you can clearly see that the cavendish experiment was a fraud


Schuler tuning is yet another fraud because pilots don't use this. Infact some aircraft pilots do not know what schuler tuning is.

What aircraft pilots use is the attitude indicator to maintain a flat horizon. It is impossible for an aircraft to maintain a level flight using the gyroscope on a spherical earth.
This is because the gyroscope in the attitude indicator stays fixed and rigid in space if a gyroscope stay rigid and fixed in space as it is hypothetically said to be flying over a spherical earth then it follows that a plane with gyroscopic attitude indicator would be gradually heading out into space. A gyroscope with an attitude indicator would only be a hindrance to the ball earth.

Another evidence of the fact that planes fly horizontally to their destination is the fact that out own they never at any point in time have to change their trajectory from flying horizontal to flying vertically. Whether gravity is curving the plane or not this change in position is not detected by the gyroscope or the common sense and experience of any human being.


Nice matter how minute or gradual gravity is said to be curving the aircraft, as long as the aircraft flies for hundreds of miles across the surface of the ball earth then this change in position must be detected because it would have to fly for several miles horizontally and then change and fly for several miles vertically . but this cannot be accounted for by either the any thing on the aircraft or the human common sense and reality.
So the statement that shculer accounts for gravity is null and void as the gyroscopic attitude indicator which the pilots use to maintain a flat horizon and human reality prove it false

Henry Cavendish experiment that has been replicated many, many times and that was how we figured out the gravitational constant. I know you love YouTube, watch YouTube and see amateurs replicate it and that's does not include university physics professors who are pros at it.

Schuler tuning is part of all crafts gyroscopic design. It's not an argument, it's all over the internet. And it's work is to account for earth's curvature in order to keep the plane level.

EMILO2STAY:
it is not measurable it has never been measured that is the fact. If gravity curving a plane has been measured and detected then give proof.
If the earth is a big ball there is absolutely no way your sense cannot detect it when the plane is flying vertically for several miles especially if you started of horizontally plus the gyroscope does not detect any curve so what are you saying. You are beginning to make blind arguments instead of learning.


I am not ignoring any fact because there are not facts I'm the first place.

There are many experiments to prove the existence of gravity. Here is one of the earliest. The Cavendish experiment, performed in 1797–1798 by English scientist Henry Cavendish, was the first experiment to measure the force of gravity between masses in the laboratory and the first to yield accurate values for the gravitational constant.

Go and read how Schuler Tuning in gyroscopes account for the curvature of the earth. It's part of design of gyroscopes in aircraft

EMILO2STAY:
oga you did not present any fact pls where are they? I gave you a map of the globe earth and the flat earth showing you how it spent make sense on the globe and you are saying you presented fact! How?

Please go re-read my earlier post on this. You only presented a 2-dimensional map that has no Z-axis as a globular earth map and I corrected you. You need a globular earth map(3-dimensional map) with a Z-axis that accounts for earth's curvature.

Using just Google Earth would have answered your question. It takes into account earth's curvature. The first red dot is Taiwan, the second is Anchorage and the third is Los Angeles. The black line is the flight path of the plane.

EMILO2STAY:
they are not balls since you cant see all around it but only one side. Some form of magnetic field keeps them there and makes them revolve around. The book of enoch has some information about the heavenly luminaries.

I said anything lighter than air floats not flies.
The same phenomena can be seen in water anything heavier than the medium surrounding the drops. This is observable and provable science. Aircrafts flirts because of the friction of air against the wings. The wings are designed in such a way that when it goes against the wind, as the wind passes against the top and under the aircraft wings in a short time the wind becomes strong under the wing of the plane and so it pushes the aircraft upwards. Now it is the mechanic of the design of the wings that causes the wind to become strong under it and so it pushes the plane up. Same thing with birds. Aircraft wings were designed after the wing of birds.

Yes it is June just the aerodynamics of the air to the wings that makes it airborne.

Smoke is carbon monoxide, there molecular particles are slightly lighter than air because it is combined with combustion gases which make it go up.

So if I gave you a wing now and you run against the wind, do you think you will suddenly start flying like a bird or a plane?

Really "some sort of magnetic field" causes the sun and moon to float around an orbit?

Is this magnetic field from the sun and moon or from the earth?

If it's from the sun and the moon, then it means they have a CORE made of iron and other metals, as such they will be to heavy to float in the atmosphere as you claim "they are lighter than air". By the way if they are lighter than air, how come they haven't been blown away, how come the sun and moon are still intact?

EMILO2STAY:
what you just said here has nothing to do with proving that gravity curves a plane.

We are dealing with scientific fact here and for a theories and wild speculations do not qualify as a scientific fact.

For any thing to qualify as science, it has to go through the scientific discipline of been observable, testable and repeatable.

Also we are talking about physic and what is physics. Physics is a branch of science that deals with matter and energy. Physics has to with the physical physical properties of nature.

Anything that common sense, reality and experience cannot attest to cannot be qualified as physics or science.


No matter how big a ball the earth is said to be an plane flying across a ball from point a to point b must have to make a curve. It must have to go vertical and then horizontal and then vertical again even somtimes side ways and upside down to navigate around a spherical object. it is an impossibility for a plane to make all this movement without one noticing. Now even if humans don't notice this then the device called the gyroscope with which helps the pilot to maintain a flat horizon on board the plane which is meant to detect the upward and downward movement of the plane mist detect when gravity is automatically curving the plane.

If all this does not happen, if the planes flies straight realistically till they get to their destination
, if the common sense reality and experience of a man does not detect the curvature, if the artificial horizon does not detect the curvature of an air craft, if gravity has never been detect to automatically curve a plane, if no experiment has ever been conducted to prove that gravity curves a plane, if all these are not observable, testable and repeatable then it is just wild speculation with no prove and as such cannot be used as factual evidence so it is null and void.

You obviously chose to ignore the fact I said it should be "measurable" especially when our senses arent good or accurate in enough in judging it.

Your eyes or any of your senses can't detect an atom, molecule etc. It cant even accurately judge a mirage etc.

The globular earth is still not null or void.

EMILO2STAY:
as you can see according to the map I showed you it doesn't make sense on a globe earth. Call a spade a spade.

You simply won't admit to the fact I presented. At least you know better now.

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EMILO2STAY:
Gyroscopes shows the pilot if they are goes against a maintaining a flat horizon. If the earth is a ball then the physical characteristics of a ball or sphere is that it slopes down on all sides 360° around it. This makes any navigating around a ball to go vertical and horizontal and also side ways and upside down.


Now this is not our reality when it comes ti airplane flight. Our reality in air plane flight is that they go horizontally to their destination world wide and they never have to go side ways or upside down or vertical.

This make the claim of the ball earth null and void.

There are many things you can't see with your eyes, so based on your experience because you cant see them they are also null and void too?

No one has ever seen air before. No one has ever seen atoms before or molecules before. No one has ever seen a bacteria or virus with their naked eyes before. Before instruments were invented to measure them and see them, they simply didn't exist to our eyes and we thought that void was empty.

Even what you can see with your eyes can't be trusted all the time- ever heard of optical illusion. Like a mirage for example. You see a body of water a distance from you but on getting there it is simply an illusion. Or a STILL PICTURE, it is clearly not moving or turning but when you focus on the back ground everything begins to spin but now look and focus on the center spot and everything becomes motionless again. What you can hear sometimes with your ears can equally be deceiving. Two people listening to one recording will hear two different things. Like the Yanny/Laurel sound is an example of a “perceptually ambiguous stimulus”.Our common sense or experience is not the ultimate test of how real a thing is, rather it is through instrumental testing of it which gives a more accurate result.

EMILO2STAY:



If you truly understand the configuration of a sphere compared to a plane, then you will know that object have to go side ways and upside down to go around that sphere. This is common sense.

If the earth is a sphere then an aircraft flying from south america to australia would first have to fly some what vertically and as ot get to the north pole it would have to make adjustment so as not to fly straight up so in other to compensate for the curvature at the north pole it would have to change its angle of flight to a vertical angle. And as it goes south again towards australia it would have to dip its nose down and fly vertically down wards. Now if an aircraft pilot fails to make these adjustment he would fly the plane into space escape velocity or not.

The fact that an aircraft can take off and fly in the air it has already defeated gravity and that is if there is any such thing as that Because there is no way planes should fly in the air when gravity which is pressing down the oceans is also pressing down on it.



gyroscopes in aircraft is For checking and maintaining a flat horizon and has nothing to do with the spin of the earth so the link you posted has nothing to do with maintaining a flat horizon on an aircraft and as such cannot be used as evidence that gyroscopes work on a ball earth. Gyroscopes Can only work on a at earth.
Every military and commercial aircraft has onboard an instrument that can only work on flat earth and that is the attitude indicator. Which is also known as the artificial horizon.

That artificial horizon has a display that shows the pilot the attitude of the plane to the actual horizon, even if he cannot see the horizon because it is obscured by the weather or darkness. The pilot can determine if he is flying level and also the pitch of the aircraft ( that is if he is dipping his nose down or upwards ) this attitude indicator works by means of a spinning gyroscope mounted on a gimbal .

The problem with the spherical earth model is that a plane with the attitude indicator showing straight and level flight will cause the plane to fly off into the upper atmosphere as the curve of the globe falls away from the aircraft . The only way that a pilot on an aircraft can fly straight on level path using this attitude indicator is on a flat earth.

I posted no link on gyroscopes but mind you a gyroscope works in the object it is trying to balance, so let's leave the earth for now.

Based on escape velocity, the gradual curvature of the earth and gravity, I have already cleared this. No altitude adjustment required.

EMILO2STAY:


first of all there is no evidence that the earth is spinning because we continually see the same stars which are said to be light years afar off. If the earth os spinning then we should not be able to see the same stars two nights in a row this is why the zodiacs made out of them constellation can still be seen today and also sailors have been using the same constellation for centuries to navigate the ocean.
Now according to the theory of gravity, objects are with smaller mass are attracted to massive objects. If this is true then it follows that the sun which several times bigger than the earth should by virtue of its mass caused the earth to be attracted and crashed into it instead of making float around.
Again if the earths gravity is greater than the moon. The it should have caused the moon to be attracted to it and crashed into the earth. Why would the moons gravity cause tides on the earth when the earths gravitional pull is greater than it?
Every thing about about the ball earth are theories not fact.

I have explained all this already, reason along with the new inputs I am giving you and we can both learn things from each other. Don't go bring up things I have already explained. I told you the 2 conditions at least required for an object to orbit successful around another one safely without a collision. Re-read again and ask any questions from that.

Might I also add that depending on the hemisphere of the earth you are you can only see different sets of stars. How does the flat earth model explain this, since we should be seeing the same sky at night.

EMILO2STAY:
below is a mao of the flat earth. With the distance from L. A and anchorage Alaska. You can clearly see why emergency landing makes sense on the flat eaeth. No arguments here

I'm not making a defence for a flat earth but rather a globular earth. I showed you it made perfect sense on a globular earth too.