WINNERSMOG:


Please before you enter into any discussion. Try to read the genesis of such a discussion so that you won’t appear lost at the end of the day. What is faith? Faith is believing the word of God, acting on it, and then God performs the miracle. You will see this definition in my previous posts.

This lame man your are talking about, wanted healing. He was at a pool that could heal him but there was nobody to help him in. Then Jesus saw him and had compassion on him and instructed him to get up and be healed. The man believed Jesus and got up. Why didn’t the man ask Jesus to help him into the pool? Like I said before, he believed in the words of Jesus more than any pool, he acted on it and was healed. I really hope this helps you my friends.

You obviously didn't read the scripture I posted. Jesus came to the man. Jesus asked him if he wanted to get healed, he never said yes or no to Jesus. He requested assistance to get into the pool.

The man doesn't even know Jesus. Read v 10 upwards to confirm.

WINNERSMOG:


I’m trying to make you understand scriptures and you are just shutting down. . “Stop lying” got me laughing so hard brother. That’s what we said as kids when we knew an argument was lost.

This thing I’m telling you is consistent in scriptures. You won’t find any exceptions. Study, learn and be free. God does not do magic. He always works by our faith.

John 5 :1-9 the man Jesus healed at the pool, Jesus observed him that he could not go into the pool on his own. Jesus approached him and asked him if he wanted to get well?

The man didn't know who Jesus was and that he could heal, he thought Jesus was a sympathizer. so instead of saying yes or no to Jesus, he said he wanted to get in the pool to get healed. Jesus seeing that the man does not know him or his ability to heal, commanded him to get up and walk and he did, even without the man setting feet into the pool.

Petra1

WINNERSMOG:


I’m trying to make you understand scriptures and you are just shutting down. . “Stop lying” got me laughing so hard brother. That’s what we said as kids when we knew an argument was lost.

This thing I’m telling you is consistent in scriptures. You won’t find any exceptions. Study, learn and be free. God does not do magic. He always works by our faith.

You have been avoiding my mentions, I don't know why.

Luke 22:50,51. Jesus healed the man called malchus after his ear was cut off by Peter without the man having faith in him. Nowhere in the gospels of Matt, mark, luke or John does it ever mention the man had faith in Jesus, rather it mentions he came with the crowd to arrest Jesus that night.

Cc petra1

petra1:


Were they not compliant, dud you see the photos Why not read the post.

I saw the picture and I read the post. Look at it yourself. Was there use of face mask? Will the pastor also lay hands? Is that also the right population size approved for the reopening of churches?

I still want to give you a benefit of doubt that you will address those issues and many more I intend to raise, since you posted that picture as prove of compliance but we know it's more than that alone.

petra1:
[/i]Christ Embasy Uyo Closure: Eye Witnesses Account With Photo Evidence
PCBGISTJun 27, 2020 7:56 PM


So many has been said about the Christ Embassy Church, Uyo zonal headquarters. I took out my time to make some enquiries as to why such an organized church with graduate pastors would want to put the lives of many Nigerians at stake. Why they would flaw government stipulated directives to curtail the spread of this dangerous incurable virus.

A lady explained What really happened in Christ Embassy Church in Akwa Ibom before it was shut down. A look at the sitting arrangement shows the church complied with the social/physical distancing rule. (PHOTS BELOW)

The news of the Church being shut down in Akwa Ibom state has caused a lot of reactions from people online.

After the statement was released by government officials, many people explained what really happened at the church last Sunday.

This leads to a lady who is the confirmed member of the church opens up on what really happened after the news was all over media.

The Management committee of Covid19 issued a statement on sunday that a church, which was confirmed to be Christ Embassy church founded by Pastor Chris Oyakhilome is sealed by the committee, because the church did not obey the rules and regulations or protocols of covid-19, precisely social distancing in Akwa Ibom.

The government official said in a statement that when CAN and convid-19 committee member visited the church, they discovered that they have obstructed the laws set by different organisation to prevent the spread of the virus. So they have to close the church. A look at the covid-19 enforcement team showed they were the ones that defiled the social distancing rule.

However, as I said earlier when the news was out, a Lady explained that what the Secretary said is not totally true .She said that she was there when the whole thing started and the information was not accurate. She said the policemen were the ones that came and even start attacking the members of the church.

She further explained that police even slapped one of the media crew members and collected his camera so that he will not view the whole scene.

She further emphasized that the policemen were the ones showing violence. This was what she said after she read the letter from Emmanuel Ekuwem: "liars, I was in that church today, the church obeyed the guidelines and your policemen that were with the task force were the ones showing violence. A policeman slapped a member of the media team and took his camera from him. Nite: this camera is church property and was used in recording the way people entered into the church and how they applied sanitizer to people's palms"

Another witness, a man who chose not to be mentioned had this to say:

"It was a beautiful service on Sunday at Christ Embassy Uyo, I was welcomed to church by our great ushers, with one of them using a thermometer to check body temperature, when I step forward I was welcomed with a smile by our beautiful ushers carrying hand sanitizer. I was amazed at the level of cordination there and in front of her was over 20 bottles of hand sanitizer, wow, on getting into the church hall, there was a well arranged hall with all necessary compliance, excellently arranged to meet our ministry standard.

I was so happy because it was a beautiful day, to the Glory of God, the service ended and God was glorified.

Sadly after church service I was disappointed to notice armed men on uniform, read this, the service was over at this point, I was afried to see this,

The statement and report from the media is a big lie from the pit of hell, I withnessed the incident,IT WAS A PEACEFUL DIALOGUE but the person in charge of the team slapped our camera man that recorded the incident and went away with our church Camera, I believe we are all educated and we know the effect of COVID 19.

#i am a Christ Embassy member,

# I say NO to false media report."

[i]Also reacting to the news, Bro. Anselm, a leader in the church said CAN is fighting the church because the church refused to join CAN due to its involvements with politics and the way it handles some issues. The church therefore prefers to be dissassioted with the body

No use of face mask? What is the appropriate population size? Your pastor Chris, advocated for the laying of hands, is that inclusive in the guideline? There are many more.


But looking away from Nigeria, has other CE churches in other parts of the world opened? and will CE obey ALL the guidelines there or some?


PS: while contemplating the answers to the questions raised above, ask yourself these. If every religious and non-religious organizations, people and persons decide to flaunt government directives in Nigeria and the rest of the world as CE pastors and members are doing by not obeying ALL THE REOPENING OF CHURCHES GUIDELINES, how will the world be like? Will that destabilize the governments? Will that cause more law abiding people to spring up?

#thinkAboutIT and respond to me.

petra1:


I think That was in reference to people falling on the road and dropping dead in China. That wasn't covid 19. Its believed covid 19 was released after that as cover

And you have irrefutable evidence to back up this claim beyond reasonable doubt? And since after the pandemic is 5G not still being used in China?

Maestro21:



Make of that what you will. I am done here

I was done with you along time ago but I'm not done with your God of man

WINNERSMOG:
“I have not received any injection in the last 51 years and I can never take any vaccine”

“Where corona virus started there was no Churche!”

“Do you Love the Church more than you love the market?”

“My Outreach team got more than 3,000 people into Church during this lockdown, more than what we got before the lockdown.”

“We are not establishing churches for offering otherwise we won't be planting them in villages. We are seeking the unreached.”

“We are all conversant with the fact that God wants all men saved (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). We are also aware that God wants every city, every town taken for the Kingdom (Deuteronomy 2:36). He wants cities taken, He wants towns taken, He wants villages taken. This is vital.”

“To show how He wants it taken, it is by wisdom that we take over cities, towns and villages (Proverbs 21:22).”

“By His grace, we planted 5082 Churches last year but what is unique about that is the new approach. The new approach just sparked fire in all those countryside locations. A whole week long intensive induction for our missionaries: all day and part of the night, it just set fire on the tails of these missionaries. They went and invaded the places. Some locations started with 50, they just knew what to do and they went ahead to do it.”

“Today some of them are more than 300 (members), one is 600 (members) in villages. Our focus is where the gospel is not heard and giving everybody an opportunity to hear that Jesus loves (them). You know how much offering there are in villages, so we are not an offering hunting Commission, we are investors: Kingdom Investors into the souls of men.”

YouTube DomiStream.

You his member, have you not be vaccinated before? Didn't you get at least polio, measles, tetanus vaccines etc? Did you die? Does it make you from the devil or less of a Christian?

WINNERSMOG:


And why do you think he’d want to lie about this?

Has he not been travelling abroad over the years? If he has then he must have taken the mandatory yellow fever vaccine.

Maestro21:


Your problem is just stronghead.

Here I was telling you facts on ground and you were arguing yourself sore. Now you are telling me "at the time". LOL. There is nothing time has not proven that you were wrong in. That is by the way.

As for your other post, were we talking about Wuhan or all countries? Did anyone say COVID19 was not responsible for any deaths? I ask this because I stand 100% by what I had said and what I had tried to explain to you that he meant. Obviously, he has repeated my opinion at least 4 times after the fact so I was not misinterpreting him. You were.

If nobody have told you yet, I will. This your damage control isn't fooling anyone. Instead it is making you incapable of having a rational conversation with anyone but yourself, cause with you facts are trash unless it suits your narrative. News flash bro, you will do damage control tire on Nairaland at the rate your pastor is going.

At least a million and one persons will agree with me that he meant what he said even OFCOM of UK, which is 5G is the cause of death and not covid19 and I am very very pleased with that.

I know to you all of us does not understand English even those in the UK, it's only you, CE members and your pastor that does. You can keep lying to yourself, I have no issues with that.

5G isn't an issue anymore as your pastor keeps sinking deeper into controversy and quickly losing credibility. I expect more and more disturbing things to still keep coming up from your pastor ( and like a good member you got his back) but I'm glad a lot more people are seeing through his guise as God of man. The proverbial saying is true in his case; "you can fool the people some of the time but you can't fool the people all of the time".

Like I said, what you believe is your choice but the scales have fallen off the eyes of many more people here and outside and you can't stop that, even Christians are quickly removing their hands from CE's radical nature and matters. The once highly esteemed pastor Chris is now in the lowly category of Lie Mohammed in public eyes.
Have a filled day defending him on every post and across all social media platforms (instagram, facebook, twitter etc), that's your headache and if he says rubbish guess what? WE will still bash him on all social media platforms .

Maestro21:


And his claim that the 5G is the cause of death and not COVID19, can you point to where that was said?

I like how you have sidestepped your WHO argument. "He is still planning on defunding it". LOL

As at the date I made that post he was still planning on do it.

Now for your first question, please refer to the video I posted when I created this post in the beginning or read the extract I brought out from it. Your answer is there.

When will pinkiedave post something

Thekeeper:
ok chief, thank you..I have only taken 2 pills. Will discontinue immediately

Good health to you!

Thekeeper:
I'm in lagos. Had to get xasten,a brand of dexamethasone. I've just taken it with vitD,zinc,vitC and gingo biloba.

Please I don't know you but I want to plead with you. Please don't take DEXAMETHASONE. The drug works as an immune suppressant or immunosuppressant.

What that means is that if you start taking it will lower your immune system and a good immune system is required to fight not just COVID19 disease caused by SARS-COV2 virus but other infections and diseases you may contract.

Does that mean DEXAMETHASONE is not useful for COVID19 treatment? NO is the answer, it is very useful but when to use it is the IMPORTANT THING YOU ARS MISSING.

For COVID19 you have three stages of symptoms you may experience AFTER CONTRACTING the virus (PS: AFTER and not before)

The three stages are MILD, MODERATE and SEVERE.

most people who get the coronavirus will only have MILD TO MODERATE SYMPTOMS (about 80% or more of infected people). These people will recover with or without DRUGS because their IMMUNE SYSTEM will put up a fight against the virus and WIN. These set of people don't use dexamethasons to fight the virus because dexamethasone will WEAKEN their immune system from fighting back. Did you get that?

For people with SEVERE SYMPTOMS, that is people who have pneumonia like symptoms from the virus and need oxygen to breath, they are the ONES THE DEXAMETHASONE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR!
If you don't have pneumonia like symptoms and can breath fine without oxygen you don't need dexamethasone.

I'll stop here, please stop using dexamethasone if you are not infected and if you don't have severe infection requiring oxygen. The drug also is not for PREVENTION OKAY. Use zinc, vitamin -C and other immune booster supplements for prevention.

IamMichael:


I like your well articulated points and reply.

However, have you also contemplated in anyway that the Bible which you are explaining in this well articulated manner is just a guide book formulated by early Israelites to use and control their own people? And to enforce discipline by assigning a figurative authority (god) into the equation to give it legitimacy?

In some African traditions, some things are given reverence highly so that people respect it or don't abuse it.
• Fear of the dark gave rise to certain nighttime stereotypes. It is still this nighttime stereotypes that make some christians believe nighttime is the best time to fire, kill and destroy evil spirits and demons.
Fear of the dark motivated all evil related stories because people are ordinarily afraid of what they can't see, which is what the dark times represent.

• Stories of Miss KoiKoi, Willie Willie and the rest were told to students and children as deterrent mostly so that they avoided going out alone( to avoid kidnapping or being captured for rituals, etc).
The way it is told, the people that are telling it and all the made up sightings are just there to reinforce that belief.
That's exactly what the Bible is.

In your right up, you made mention of three specific laws god gave to the Israelites. This is to tell you that the Israelites made the law up and backed it up with a god's command to give it legitimacy.
However, Israelites are not part of the christian laws you are talking about seeing as Judaism is what they Practice.

Just like Israelites used a god to give legitimacy to their laws and orders, the people who founded Christianity used the same format, and cherry picked some laws in the Torah to give it legitimacy and spread it. This is also the major reason why there is a lot of contradictions between the Torah(alleged old testament) and the christian books(alleged new testament).

1. At the first highlighted line above, God gave the Israelites through Moses only the law code also called the Torah(representing the first five books of the Bible) and not 3 laws.

2. In the Mosaic Law(Torah) the Jews were to expect the coming of the Messiah to fulfill the law, that is to end the practice of Judaism based on the mosaic law. As we speak they are still expecting the Messiah because they know that is what the mosaic law points to. The Judaism they practice today in Israel is compromised because the TEMPLE is no more. It was destroyed almost 2000 years ago, the ARK OF THE COVENANT WAS ALSO LOST (it signified God's presence in the temple and in Israel) and the GENEOLOGICAL RECORDS of all the 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL was also destroyed. Without these fundamental elements Judiasm as now practiced in Israel is counterfeit. Jesus warned them all this would happen, as the Messiah they failed to accept because of his modest background and apolitical stand.

3. There is no cherry picking. The Torah/Mosiac law was to lead to the Christ, and was not to be a lasting law. The Jew's knew this and wanted to see it fulfilled. The contradictions you see is among Christians who do not have an accurate understanding of bible history and knowledge.

IamMichael:


It's a simple yes or no question. Neither the post you are referring me to and your subsequent post provided any answer of any sort. Don't know why you are referring me to it.

Don't know what's with the avoidance of giving a simple direct answer!

The Bible quotation isn't relevant to the questioned you asked. You wrongly directed it at CHRISTIANS.

There were three different laws given to servants of God in the bible at different time intervals. The patriarchal law, the mosaic law, and the laws and principles governing Christianity. These laws overlap in some places but are hugely different in other places, hence their clear distinction in names.

The patriarchal law was for the likes of Abraham, Isaac and jacob etc(they are the forefathers of the nation of Israel). It was the foundation leading to the mosaic law which would officially be given to moses at Mount Sinai.

The mosaic law was for the nation of Israel, it was a temporary law that foreshadowed that which was to come after it, after which it was to be fulfilled, which marked it's ending (which includes the law found in Deuteronomy)

The Christian laws and principles were for both Jewish christians and gentiles christians(which includes Christians around the world). It is that which God is using NOW in directing his people.

So I wasn't evading your question by not answering YES or NO as that LAW IS NOT APPLICABLE TO CHRISTIANS, I wrongly assumed you knew. I was simply explaining what that law in Deuteronomy meant to the israelites who observed it. As a Christian Jesus didn't make that law applicable to us and many others under the mosaic law and neither did his apostles under the Christian law and principle. So your answer is no.

IamMichael:


So, going by your argument, therefore they should be murdered for drinking and eating too much?

Refer to my previous post. Thanks

IamMichael:


So, going by your argument, therefore they should be murdered for drinking and eating too much?

A drunk and a glutton were just two examples out of many scenarios. A drunk/glutton combination is a terrible combination. A drunk was not fit for work as his senses were never complete, a glutton on the other hand like to eat good food in large quantities which would cost a lot. A combination of not being fit for work and still liking the best of foods in large quantity breeds a lifestyle of crime.

IamMichael:


But, the passage never mentioned they committed a crime.

Even amongst my people here in the past before the coming of the British, once you commit a crime, there are remedial means from mild to severe. Why would a god advocate for stoning of children simply because they eat a lot and drink too much?

Parents held a sacred position is God's eyes, they were to be honored. Such honor was indirectly a way of honoring God. Dishonoring ones parents, was also dishonoring God. Such acts held a death penalty by the law code. For the parents to come forward to the judges of the land, such delinquents were already past the point of reasoning, they were rebellious. A delinquent and rebellious person was never a law abiding person and a threat to society.

Heathen777:


We've observed new species form over and over again. It's literally the reason Darwin came up with his book Origin of Species, it's the reason why we see antibiotic resistance, formation of new species is what makes agriculture of farm and animals possible.


Those we're disproven by scientist through careful studying of the specimen. If you did any studying on this subject you wouldn't be repeating this tire rhetoric that ironically attempts to disprove evolution by showing the amount of care done in scrutinizing the evidence for it.




If you understand how fossilization works you wouldn't be making such an ill-conceived criteria for the validity of evolution. There is no guarantee that any specie will fossilize, so obviously there would be cases of undiscovered transitional fossils. [b]But we do have a plethora of transitional fossils[/b]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils, and fossils aren't the only form of evidence for evolution. https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/a/lines-of-evidence-for-evolution

1. Antibiotic resistance doesn't give rise to new species, it's still the same old species that has adapted to living in certain conditions. When plasmodium of malaria develops resistance to drugs like chloroquine it is still a malaria plasmodium and not a new specie. Same applies to staphylococcus aureus that develops resistance to methicillin, it is still a staphylococcus aureus specie and not a new species. It has undergone adaptation, but has not evolved to a new microorganism outside of its genus or specie. Genetic engineering in agriculture is not by NATURAL SELECTION is it? but by intelligent careful manipulation of the genome by an INTELLIGENT BEING, isnt it?

2. The fossils are not forth coming, simple. Non-bird dinosaurs lived between about 245 and 66 million years ago, in a time known as the Mesozoic Era, yet we have ample evidence of their fossils. According to you, Organisms are rarely preserved in nature, as the ecosystem finds way to recycle dead animals remains in a matter of days. Expecting to find fossils of a specie that lived within a few million years is no easy task, and it's quite possible that no fossil have been preserved. We found fossils at least 66million years old in abundance but LCA for man 6 to 10 million years ago isn't forth coming, doesn't that tell you something, that those species must be mythical.

Yes we have a plethora of fossils from real animals and not mythical ones. And those animals are not transitional fossils mind you. TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS are no longer understood as missing links(cause finding a missing link is an impossible task according to evolutionist), scientist believe all animals alive will undergo evolution as such all of us are TRANSITIONING to other future species. So those fossils are either extinct or normal remains of creatures alive, but since we are all transitional species by evolutionist, it fits their description as transitional fossils.

Heathen777:


Yes, at the time the evolutionary theory by natural selection was put forth, there were only a handfull of fossils. Now we have museums littered with numerous fossils gathered from multiple sites globally, decades after Darwin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils




You have to keep in mind that the time period of Human-Chimpanzee last common ancestor is only a thin sliver of geological history. Organisms are rarely preserved in nature, as the ecosystem finds way to recycle dead animals remains in a matter of days. Expecting to find fossils of a specie that lived within a few million years is no easy task, and it's quite possible that no fossil have been preserved...

Fossils are not the only way to prove evolution, we have evidence from anatomy, vestigial structures, homologous features, analogous features, embryology, molecular biology, homologous genes, biogeography, direct observation. etc

Darwin himself said that a lack of TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS will be the undoing of his theory. As missing links are not forth coming, Palaeontologist have had to update the meaning of transitional fossil now to represent not just missing links alone but the LCA. It is now ANY fossilized remains of a life form that exhibits traits common to both an ancestral GROUP and its derived descendant GROUP.
Ps:Note the word GROUP and not individual
species.

Due to this "transitional fossil" is an ill-defined concept because no fossil species could be DIRECTLY identified as an "ancestor" in a phylogeny.

From the highlighted above, none of those fields put up strong evidence in support of evolution, rather evolutionist seek to use all those fields to DRAW UP A PATTERN that they claim can support evolution.

So simply put, evolution is not backed up by solid evidence.

IamMichael:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.




Christians, will you obey this order from your god?

Under the law code of Moses, delinquents whose parents could not control them were to be stoned to death. Delinquents were a problem also to the society as they refused to live responsibly, as charity begins at home. Crimes like theft, rape, murder and other vices were usually carried out by them. That is why such lawless men were tried in public and if found guilty were stoned.

nencounter10:



You are probably right.Dragon was probably the popular name for flying dinosaurs.

Check the link below


https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/2019/09/cryodrakon-new-frozen-dragon-pterosaur-found-hiding-in-plain-sightothw

Dragons are purely symbolic creatures or mythical creatures. PteroSAUR like the DinoSAUR (notice they both end in SAUR) are species of now extinct reptiles.

nencounter10:


You still failed to see my point. I wonder why. Dragons existed. Scientist have seen their fossils. Bible uses the animal dragon is a symbolic representation. This is Bible announcing that prehistoric animal exist. There is something called inference in comprehension. Even though the book of Revelation talks of dragon with seven heads, the inference is that a dragon with one head once existed.

This is purely an issue of comprehension.

For the records, I understand the symbolism in the book of Revelation , but it isn't my focus in this thread.

I have you to thank, not withstanding, for pointing out that the word dragon exist in the book of Revelation only. I will remove the scriptural reference in deutoronoy. Apart from that intention of my post remains valid.

Scientist have found the fossil remains of DINOSAURS and not DRAGONS. Dinosaurs and Dragons are two different things. Dinosaur was a real animal that walked the earth, why Dragon is a symbolic/mythical creature/monster/beast( note not an animal).

You can google search the difference between dragon and dinosaur

Here are examples of such a Google search https://msnucleus.org/membership/html/k-6/rc/pastlife/1/rcpl1_1a.html

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-A-Dinosaur-and-A-Dragon#

nencounter10:


It's sad that you don't get what I am saying.

What John saw in his vision was a dragon or an animal that is not of our time even though in that vision it represents the devil.

The usage of the word dragon in the Bible is am implicit admission that prehistoric animal exist

John could have seen a serpent( another animal used to represent the devil).

What John saw his vision was as animal not belonging to our time which he called dragon. It is left to the reader to realise that according to that vision's interpretation, the dragon represents the Devil.

In the symbolic book of Revelation, Satan is described as the “great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns,” having a tail that draws “a third of the stars of heaven” after him.(Re 12:3, 4)

Questions for you, has there ever bean any animal alive or dead with SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS on it before? Have there been any animal whose TAIL can reach the STARS in heaven and DRAG down to the earth 33% of the STARS TO EARTH (* A Star is as big as the Sun)? Such animal never existed and will never exist. That dragon simply means satan as the Bible said.

Don't draw direct analogy from the books of Revelation and Genesis. Rev. 1:1-3 clearly shows that it's content were presented in SIGNS and not Literally like in genesis account. The genesis account was a real serpent but unlike the usually serpents this one spoke because it was possessed by Satan.

nencounter10:


Look the book of Revelation is a book with a lot of symbolism. The use of the word dragon in it is an example of symbolism. True very true. The word dragon was used because it represent an animal that does not belong to our time whether symbolism or not.

I was only helping you to see what the Bible teaches about dragon. I like your passion and zeal for the word of God but at the same time let's pass the right information. I can help with that too.

God bless you.

nencounter10:




I did not read it anywhere. I knew by revelation. If you are not comfortable with that or find it unacceptable it is alright by me.

In it's usage in the bible, the word dragon
refers to an animal not belonging to our time. See below.



Deuteronomy 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps. Nehemiah

2:13 And I went out by night by the gate of the valley, even before the dragon well, and to the dung port, and viewed the walls of Jerusalem, which were broken down, and the gates thereof were consumed with fire.

Job 30:29 I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls.

Psalms 44:19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death.

Psalms 74:13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.

Psalms 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

Psalms 148:7 Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:

Isaiah 13:22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Isaiah 34:13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.

Isaiah 35:7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

Isaiah 43:20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

Isaiah 51:9 Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

Jeremiah 9:11 And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.

Jeremiah 10:22 Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of the north country, to make the cities of Judah desolate, and a den of dragons.

Jeremiah 14:6 And the wild asses did stand in the high places, they snuffed up the wind like dragons; their eyes did fail, because there was no grass. Jeremiah

49:33 And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, and a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor any son of man dwell in it.

Jeremiah 51:34 Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon hath devoured me, he hath crushed me, he hath made me an empty vessel, he hath swallowed me up like a dragon, he hath filled his belly with my delicates, he hath cast me out.

Jeremiah 51:37 And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.

Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Micah 1:8 Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

At the highlighted above, means you are speaking your own thoughts and not exactly what's in the Bible.

And for the other scriptures you quoted for dragons, PLEASE CHANGE YOUR BIBLE TRANSLATION or USE A FREE ONLINE BIBLE, you will see a clear difference. Dragon doesn't appear there, use other standard translations to compare.

Dragon occurs 13 times in the Bible but only in the highly symbolic book of Revelation, and it represents Satan the Devil.

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God had been in existence before the beginning. He existed from eternity past, in a realm where time has no meaning. He alone was in existence. He could create anything he wanted. But inspite of that, he felt lonely. He was the only one of his kind.

He wanted to have children. Children born out of loins.Children that are of his kind-the God kind.

So, in the beginning he created the heavens and the earth. He created the third heaven to be his dwelling place. He created numerous angels to serve him. He created the earth to be the birth place of his children. For millions of years he kept creating beings in his image and his likeness. To have Dominion over all other creations. And, above all to be agent through which his children will be born. For some reasons, God wanted his children to have a physical body. To crown it all, God gave the being he had created a will so that they could choose to live for him and serve him of their own volition ; but sadly, time and time again, those beings went rogue, and God had to destroy them by sending a deluge upon the earth.

Time and Time again God repeated the experiment of creating animals and a crown creation, testing the crown creation, deluging the earth at the failure of the crown creation to pass the test. No human know how many times God had performed the experiment, but in Genesis 1: 2 God decided to perform another version of the experiment.


Please note that while verse 1 of Geneses tells us when God created the heavens and the earth. It made it clear that as at Geneses 1:2 the earth was already in existence though empty(void), formless, dark, and deluged.

What is popularly called the story of the creation of the earth should more correctly called the story of the renovation of a previously damaged earth and the creation of new set of living being and the renovation of the first heaven(firmament).


Let's look at it together from scriptures.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


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1:2 And the earth was without form(formless), and void(empty); and darkness(dark) was upon the face of the deep(water). And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.



Verse 1 above tells us when the heavens and earth were created.

Verse 2 tell so us that though the earth was fomless, empty, dark, and deluged; yet it was. It was already in existence before God said let there be light.


Bible made it very clear that there were prehistoric being on the earth.

Let's look at the scriptural proofs.

PROOF 1: The command to replenish the earth.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The word replenish means "to fill up again." Here God was clearly telling us there were prehistoric beings which previously populated the earth



PROOF 2: Previous destruction of the earth with water.


2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Peter tells us here that the previous world was destroyed by water. The current world is reserved for destruction by fire.Note that the word used here is "world" and not "earth".



PROOF 3: Use of the word "dragon" in the Bible.


Deuteronomy 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.


We all know that dragons are prehistoric animals.





When during this particular experiment man too went rogue and God decided to destroy the world again with water, Noah found Grace in the sight of God and thus he made it unnecessarily for God to carry out a completely clean slate.



In order to save mankind God had to give birth to a son without reference to human will. The son was destined to die for mankind so that God can have more children with reference to human will.


When Jesus was born, that was the first time that God would know the joy of fatherhood. For the first time in his life another being was born after his kind. Thus came the end of God's loneliness.


Every time a person gives his life to Christ and becomes born again, God feels the joy of fatherhood afresh, because another being had come to existence after God's kind.


Every child of God is a God. He is a member of the God family. He is one of the God-kind.




It is the destiny of every human being to be a child of God. The day you give your life to Christ is the day you find your destiny.

After finding your destiny the next thing is to find your purpose and fulfil it.



Your destiny in life is not to be a husband or wife; nor a farther or mother; nor an engineer or accountant or any of such.


You are here for the purpose of finding your destiny and your purpose. Any other thing is trivial.



If you have not done so, you need to give your life to Christ so that you can enter into your destiny.



If you want to give your life to Christ follow the instructions below.

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Where did you ever read God got lonely? He was ALONE before creation had a beginning.​(Ps 90:1, 2; 1Ti 1:17.) Nowhere does it say God got lonely and he got bored, rather God created all things for his honor and pleasure(Re 4:11)

And dragons mentioned in the bible are symbolic creatures, it was never to be understood as a real animal but in its symbolic sense as the Devil. (Re 12:7-9)

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Why is Jesus/God white and the devil/ satan black? And why is evey bad thing black? Blackmail, Blackball, Blacklist, Black Death, Black Friday, Black Magic, Black market, Black Sheep, Black Hole

Who introduced christianity to us? The whiteman. Who wrote the bible? The white man. Who invaded our nations, chained our forefathers and raped our mothers including underage girls? Stil the whiteman, and funny enough, they came with bibles to make slave trade easier for them.

When the white men came to Africa our forefathers resisted them and rebelled against them. The white men went back to the drawing board and came back to africa with the bible.

Blacks accepting christianity was the best thing that ever happened to the white enslavers. The fear of hell and promise of an everlasting life was what finally kept the slaves from rebelling and running away.

I don't know if we should trust white people blindly like this. Not after all they did to my ancestors. You and I were not there when the bible was written, how do we even know these people didn't add or remove something's from the bible.

So many of my white friends keep telling me that religion is SCAM but I've been holding on to my faith, not to backslide. But a book I'm reading now is changing my mind or maybe I'm just losing my sanity?

If you visit Elmina Castle in Ghana you will question alot of things. Most west African slaves were shipped to America from Elmina castle. I've been there 4 times and I can't describe how terrible I feel. The same people that came with bibles to save us were the same people killing and raping our mothers. And God was calm, he didn't do anything to save my helpless ancestors. It simply doesn't make sense at all.

The insult, abuse, destruction and racism still continue till date. The sad thing is, the African people who are worshipping God are getting poorer, they die young, wretched and frustrated. But the whites who don't believe in God are richer, smarter, and they don't die young. I'm just thinking deep, and I come in peace

Did the Bible say Satan was DARK SKINNED or COLORED BLACK? or did people say that? The Bible never said that okay, it was people who did.

Humans are not the only things with white and black color mix.
Why do we have white and black color in nature in the first place?
If black is so evil why does that color even exist.
why is day bright and the night dark? Does it represent the day as good and the night as bad.

Why is space black and dark matter fills it's vacuum, is dark matter evil too?
The sun and the stars are bright, does it make them good or righteous?

Haven't you seen people commit atrocities in the name of science. Weapons of mass destruction are made by science. The boat that sailed to Africa to capture our ancestor was made possible by science, the gifts they used to entice our ancestors like mirror was by science, the guns they carried by science, the civilization they had that made them seek slaves by science. The nuclear bombs made that destroyed those two Japanese cities were they made by religion or science? The nuclear weapons stock piled all over the world, that can destroy us all if ever used, were they not made by scientists? Does it mean science is evil ? Does it is mean all scientist are evil?

Generalization is evil in itself.

The wrong use of science and religion led to slave trade in Africa.
Jesus never preached that or any of his disciples in the bible, did they?

In summary don't confuse what people say with what the Bible said. You are free to ask questions about things that confuse you, I am available. Many people don't know what the Bible is all about.