goalernestman:


Benin empire happend but Oyo didn't so they are trying to put Oyo in any where Benin is to more stable the empire that never happened like slaves that was recorded taken from Benin or bight of Benin by the European will be change to Oyo.

Below is a map of European a man who lives in England his name is there and died in 17 century. U can see noting like Oyo there

goalernestman:


He is saying the truth Benin history is dated by Benin and European as I also said above

Weedfree:

It seems like it is only west Africa that have that problem.

gregyboy:



Dont include benins to your claims every history benin had was detailed.....the issue was it wasn't detailed in writeup but in art and culture....
The yorubas are the people lieing here they are always attaching thier non existed empire to other people history even outside nigeria ....ask them how thier empire was formed how it emerged they will beat round the bush ...ask them how oduduwa come about they will tell you several lies to cover up thier lies all this for thier history to have relevance the yoruba history rest on the shoulder of the benin kingdom..
I am not a tribalist or supporting the edos but history has to be said correctly i see emptiness in the history of yorubas or the oyo empire awolowo
Made a mess constructing lies for themselves

Dartilo:



Pls ignore that guy he's obviously allowing sentiment to take the better part of his IQ,
Ubini was corrupted to benin by the Portuguese because they could not pronounce it properly...
Simple logic the bight was name after benin and dahomey change it's name to benin the name of their bight that was name after benin

lx3as:


Then carry out your own research to see the kingdom that's bigger or you continue to believe that which you want to believe.
However, there is no much to find online about African history, look for books.

You already deviated from the purpose of the thread.

Weedfree:


Yes but their are oral accounts which are sometimes lies only if all of africa had written this things down like kano and Mali chronicles.

goalernestman:


Bro go read and research about it don't just go to an igbo site because they will even try to claim biafra was all south of Nigeria just as Yoruba site will also say.

Get answer from European souce of what they saw in Africa during that time.

And also try go read igala history or Ida history and see if igbo were not a dependent kingdom to them

lx3as:


It never happened.

That's part of revisionists' theory, just because of same 'name'. You can find out how Dahomey came about the name 'Benin Republic'.
Nigeria own was from 'Ibinu' to 'Ibini' to Bini and recently, Benin; they are not related.

goalernestman:



1 Yoruba people bring up lies every day just more to stable an empire that never existed.

2 They where claiming Oyo war with Benin they can also write this in their site but Benin have no record of this

And also what they say of Ghana if Ghana are here it would have changed too.

3 Benin never fight igbos of today because there was noting like igbo before half of northan igbo was Benin then and the second half was Ida empire.

The Ida Igala today wanted to expand their empire first trying to take some eastern part of Benin including asaba agbor and this result to war (Ida war) .

Igbo of today never fought Benin they were a dependent tribe to only Benin empire and Igala empire

Nanatrendy:
lies, lies any Ghanaian/ Ivorian reading this will immediately know you are lying because in the first place the ethnic group which extends to the ivory coast is Akan, ashanti is a tribe within the akan ethnic group. There are records of wars we fought and lost and what you are saying is a lie. Ashanti tried to extend it borders to dahomey but lost the war so they retreated but didn't pay allegiance to bini because they merely defended themselves and their motherland aside that we had no encounter with no tribe from Nigeria. The ewes run away from an evil king in Benin to present day Ghana, the Gas also run away from ile ife to Ghana to escape famine they did not pay allegiance to anytribe in Nigeria infact the tribe that gave them issues was ashanti it's obvious that they interracted with akans most since their culture has some akan influences. Written and oral ghanaian history does not mention oyo drop that fantasy.

davidnazee:


Esu is acknowledged as a diety but rarely worshipped.. it’s only dubious people that makes offering to Esu.
So u are very wrong to say Ogun worshippers also worship Esu..

davidnazee:


Esu is acknowledged as a diety but rarely worshipped.. it’s only dubious people that makes offering to Esu.
So u are very wrong to say Ogun worshippers also worship Esu..

lx3as:


Though I promise not to reply you again because I don't believe an adult would not understand the difference between 'spread up to' and 'spread over/through'.

Please go to any Ogun worshiper in Benin and ask him to show his shrine. You will find a stone close to that Ogun shrine; that's for Esu (the trickster), Esu was different from Satan in the Bible; when Bishop Ajayi Crowders was translating Bible from English to Yoruba, he called Satan, Esu and it sticks up till today.

To an hunter, who worships Ogun, he believes that the gun he is carrying can kill someone/himself through mistake or misfortune hence the sacrifice to Esu by giving him some offerings on that stone near Ogun shrine to appease him. Esu was part of the ancient Yoruba gods just like Ogun, Obatala, Orunmila, etc.

Bye.

gregyboy:



Oyo empire is fables build upon lies it is sad Ghanaian and togo aint in this forum to debunk their claims Benin never fought the ijebus they would have left thier trade mark there

gregyboy:


Lol....i just wanted you to say conquest and i would have open full goggle on you ...go read your history and be proud of the little your forefathers archieved as for the benins they died protecting thiers

gregyboy:



Lol....benin dont worship esu .esu is seen as devil in benin and they neither worship osun we can never truely ascertain any worship you mention apart from ayelala you mentioned which was adopted recently just thesame way ogboni was also adopted on recent but this does not connote seniority between both party as religion worship could be accepted through trade .benin empire is way older than the oyo empire it took in some religional worship and took out some indigenous worship...i repeat we can still not ascertain who gave who this worship we could only guess and our guess maybe wrong ...and again benin was an empire.that dwell so much on spirituality they borrowed so many different idol from neighbouring state even also adopted christanity so we borrowing idols from yoruba people cannot ascertain anything young man just like we borrowing christanity meaning we came from isreal

lx3as:

I will not say more! You can continue to choose what to believe.

Bye.

lx3as:


Read again!

'' ...spread up to Ashanti kingdom of present Ghana/Ivory's coast''.

Ashanti people are in present day Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.
Ashanti's neighbours to the east from Accra region to Togo and Benin Republic, the Ewes, Fons, etc are closely related to the Yorubas;; they even claim Ife origin. Oyo Empire easily absorbed them at her greatest prowess but as soon as the empire declined, they did not only got their independence but also attacked some Oyo territories.

lx3as:


Oyo Empire did not conquer most of Yoruba land oh! It covers present Oyo State, Kwara, part of Osun, part of Ogun, and the rest of the empire was in West Africa,
It avoided conquering Ife.It was after the fall of Oyo Empire that the rising power, Ibadan, waged war against most Yoruba clans until Ekiti Parapo war against Ibadan by Ekitis, Ijesas, some Igbominas, etc. with arms' support from Ijebus.

Yes, some got there through migrations; however, some warriors and their commanders also stayed behind during the Oyo Empire. Some were their to collect royalties for Alaafin as 'Ajele' and permanently settled in those places.

Weedfree:
Oyo empire conquered most of Yoruba land but not all Benin empire conquered most of southern part of Nigeria. Oyo empire stretches all the way to Benin, Togo and Ghana. Some of the Yoruba people in those areas got their through migration not by conquering. it was recorded that Oyo empire fought Ashanti empire but it was never recorded in Ashanti history. Just has Benin empire said the subjected ijebu but it was not recorded in ijebu history.

lx3as:


You can always read more about Oyo Empire.
Just start now with limited online sources; then get history books; don't assume you already knew everything about Ọyọ Empire or any other history,

How did you think the isolated Yoruba people in central Togo, etc. got there in the first place?

PetroDollaxx:

This is not true. Oyo empire never reached a Ghana. When was this? When did it happen?

lx3as:


Oyo Empire secured these places through conquest. They mainly used Calvary of horses which were very good in the savanna and plain land of West Africa. They could not penetrate forested and swamped areas hence the independence of Ekitis, Owos, Ondos, Ilajes, Ijebus, Lagos Aworis, etc; even Bini. Their Calvary could easily get to Ajase, Cotonou, etc.
than Lagos.

Bini never gone beyond Lagos Island not even Badagry, the Ilajes and Itsekiris they made use of to get to Lagos Island couldn't really wage war against powerful Ijebus' kingdom, hence they took prince Ado of Bini through the lagoon; the land between Bini and Eko were never conquered by the Binis.

lx3as:


I never said Yoruba language was used by Bini populace but in the palace to some point in time.
A lot of Yorubas remained in Bini after Oranmiyan left, so as to guide the young prince/king in Yoruba spirituality. How do you explain the worshiping of Ogun, esu, Osun, Aiyelala, Umọlẹ, etc in Bini up till this day?

gregyboy:


The Ashanti kingdom and togo u speak about was it by conquest if its not i would say benin influence spread beyond sothern part of nigeria including the oyo empire inclusive and beyond africa to europe in portugal

gregyboy:


Listen to yourself who would forfeit a whole language because he wants to rewrite an history if they even attempted to do such they could have been much similarities between the new adopted language and that of the one forgone just in a space of how many years a language was forgone in an entire city you should be ashmed you never took philosophy to help you reason before you talk.... And again because the oba launched a book years ago meaning what he wrote in the book was never true put yourself as a benin man and tell me which history would please your ears

lx3as:


This is simply confusion!

Ekiti never fought Egba, they don't even share boundary. Ekiti never really fought Oyo but Ibadan. However, there were wars between Ekiti kingdoms and Bini and her allies within. Oyo only intervened in Otun Ekiti kingdom and Bini war.

You people should also know that Oyo Empire started earlier and spread wider, as far as Ashanti kingdom of present day Ghana/Ivory's coast. Oyo made use of ports in Badagry, Ajase, Cotonou and Togo rather than the Ijebu/Awori dominated ones in Lagos. Oyo empire was already diminishing when Bini Kingdom was growing. Oyo Empire knew about Ife prince kingdom of Bini and the two never really waged war against each other.

lx3as:


How would a smaller Bini Kingdom subjugate Oyo Empire?
See, most of the explorations of Bini to South West then were carried out by Ilajes, Owo, Ikale, Itsekiris, Ekitis (including Akure), etc. They all saw Bini kings as Oodua royal sons. In fact, Ilajes were used to get to Awori's Olofins in present Lagos Island. Some Ekitis, Akokos, etc were used to fight among themselves on behalf of Oba of Bini...

gregyboy:


If Benin had meant oyo benin would have ended it because the empire was never strong internally and they remains have the war would have made significant impact in the heart of yorubas