davidnazee:


Esu is acknowledged as a diety but rarely worshipped.. it’s only dubious people that makes offering to Esu.
So u are very wrong to say Ogun worshippers also worship Esu..

davidnazee:


Esu is acknowledged as a diety but rarely worshipped.. it’s only dubious people that makes offering to Esu.
So u are very wrong to say Ogun worshippers also worship Esu..

goalernestman:


What is the European country they traded with who was the captain that sign the trade with the Oba of Oyo.

When something is faked it has no fact. I can tell you every each country of European Benin traded with and their captain names from 13th century to 18th century

davidnazee:


Yorubas worship differently from Benin. Esu is only acknowledged as a deity in Benin but not worshipped, no shrine is erected for it. I too come from a family that worshipped African gods we never worshipped Esu at anytime.

Nanatrendy:
lies, lies any Ghanaian/ Ivorian reading this will immediately know you are lying because in the first place the ethnic group which extends to the ivory coast is Akan, ashanti is a tribe within the akan ethnic group. There are records of wars we fought and lost and what you are saying is a lie. Ashanti tried to extend it borders to dahomey but lost the war so they retreated but didn't pay allegiance to bini because they merely defended themselves and their motherland aside that we had no encounter with no tribe from Nigeria. The ewes run away from an evil king in Benin to present day Ghana, the Gas also run away from ile ife to Ghana to escape famine they did not pay allegiance to anytribe in Nigeria infact the tribe that gave them issues was ashanti it's obvious that they interracted with akans most since their culture has some akan influences. Written and oral ghanaian history does not mention oyo drop that fantasy.

goalernestman:



1 Yoruba people bring up lies every day just more to stable an empire that never existed.

2 They where claiming Oyo war with Benin they can also write this in their site but Benin have no record of this

And also what they say of Ghana if Ghana are here it would have changed too.

3 Benin never fight igbos of today because there was noting like igbo before half of northan igbo was Benin then and the second half was Ida empire.

The Ida Igala today wanted to expand their empire first trying to take some eastern part of Benin including asaba agbor and this result to war (Ida war) .

Igbo of today never fought Benin they were a dependent tribe to only Benin empire and Igala empire

lx3as:


Oyo Empire did not really expand widely in the forested areas but covered northern part of present Ogun State. The Egbas were settled around present Ibadan then and were covered by the Oyo Empire but Ijebus were not.

lx3as:


It never happened.

That's part of revisionists' theory, just because of same 'name'. You can find out how Dahomey came about the name 'Benin Republic'.
Nigeria own was from 'Ibinu' to 'Ibini' to Bini and recently, Benin; they are not related.

Oshi5403:


Baseless Facts.

You Refered To The Benin Empire As A Small Kingdom.
A Kingdom That Extended Its Conquest To Dahomey(now Benin Republic).
You Are Such A Clown.

Oshi5403:


African History Is Complicated Due To Lack Of Proof

davidnazee:


abeg tell me..

Oshi5403:


Igbo A Dependent Tribe?
Fallacy.

Weedfree:


Before Egba people came to Abeokuta the stayed in ibadan until they were driving by the ijebus and later got independence from oyo empire later came to abeokuta where they settled in. So u see Egba people have already gained independence from oyo empire, by the time they arrived in Abeokuta the were not under oyo empire so I don't think oyo empire had land's in ogun state.

goalernestman:


Bro go read and research about it don't just go to an igbo site because they will even try to claim biafra was all south of Nigeria just as Yoruba site will also say.

Get answer from European souce of what they saw in Africa during that time.

And also try go read igala history or Ida history and see if igbo were not a dependent kingdom to them

Weedfree:


Yes but their are oral accounts which are sometimes lies only if all of africa had written this things down like kano and Mali chronicles.

lx3as:


Then carry out your own research to see the kingdom that's bigger or you continue to believe that which you want to believe.
However, there is no much to find online about African history, look for books.

You already deviated from the purpose of the thread.

lx3as:


It actually covered most present Ogun central and west. How do you think Oyo got to her main port in Ajase (Port novo) in present Benin Republic.

Oshi5403:


The Problem Is That African Histories Has A Diversified And Varying Sources.So,most Times,the Various Released Histories From The Varying Sources Differs,and Sometimes Contradicts Each Other.

Oshi5403:


The Problem Is That African Histories Has A Diversified And Varying Sources.So,most Times,the Various Released Histories From The Varying Sources Differs,and Sometimes Contradicts Each Other.

lx3as:


Then you people don't know what you're doing.

I was born in a family that has been worshiping Ogun for generations. There was never a time, Ogun is worshipped with sacrifice like dog, kola, Palmwine, that little was not splash or drop on Esu Lalu or lanroye's little by the main Ogun shrine and the pronouncements 'esu ma se mi omo...' and they would praise-sing him not to cause misfortunes. You people don't just know anything about this deities again. When you see how Binis that engage in Umọlẹ, Sango, Ogun, ect do theirs, you will only shake head. Everything is turned upside down, even the Ogboni of a thing....

Oshi5403:


Nobody Deviated From Any Purpose Of The Thread.
Am Just Trying To Make A Constructive Criticism And Careful Appreciation Of Various Comments Made,to Get To The Root Of The Issue.
Am Not Aligning With Any Empire Or Kingdom.

Am The Op Of The Thread.

Oshi5403:


Ok
Got That.

Dartilo:



Pls ignore that guy he's obviously allowing sentiment to take the better part of his IQ,
Ubini was corrupted to benin by the Portuguese because they could not pronounce it properly...
Simple logic the bight was name after benin and dahomey change it's name to benin the name of their bight that was name after benin

gregyboy:



Dont include benins to your claims every history benin had was detailed.....the issue was it wasn't detailed in writeup but in art and culture....
The yorubas are the people lieing here they are always attaching thier non existed empire to other people history even outside nigeria ....ask them how thier empire was formed how it emerged they will beat round the bush ...ask them how oduduwa come about they will tell you several lies to cover up thier lies all this for thier history to have relevance the yoruba history rest on the shoulder of the benin kingdom..
I am not a tribalist or supporting the edos but history has to be said correctly i see emptiness in the history of yorubas or the oyo empire awolowo
Made a mess constructing lies for themselves

Weedfree:

It seems like it is only west Africa that have that problem.

Oshi5403:


Hmmm
How Sure Are You

Weedfree:



Well if u check the history of zulu empire with shakazulu , Akum empire now called Ethiopian empire and lunda and luba kingdom do have a connection to each other. Both when I look at West Africa kingdoms oyo empire would say the conquered all of southern Nigeria but they didn't conquer ijesha, Benin empire and ijebu. And it goes on like that for other kingdoms in west Africa.

Oshi5403:


Nobody Deviated From Any Purpose Of The Thread.
Am Just Trying To Make A Constructive Criticism And Careful Appreciation Of Various Comments Made,to Get To The Root Of The Issue.
Am Not Aligning With Any Empire Or Kingdom.

Am The Op Of The Thread.

Oshi5403:


I See This As A Derogator And Castigating Expression.You Are Too Mean In Expressing Yourself.You Should Have Euphemize To Avoid Tribal Or Ethnic Recrimination.