jamalchance:


Haice .... Brother every battle in edo isn't fought spiritually but dat woman own too much .... I advice her husband to go nd collect change from her bride price cos what he has paid 4 every man in the neighbourhood has seen it 4 free

Brother, where did you get this notion that anytime Edo is mentioned your mind race to witchcraft.Have you really investigated this with hard evidences? Or, are you relying on hear-say? Do you really know Edo state and its people.Are you in a position to say this? If you are,I want to challenge you to a debate on this issue of Edo people being witches and wizard.Let us open the debate,but let's play by this rule: no insulting and derogatory comments but facts and objectivity.I am a proud Edo person but I am baffled by the notion by the uninformed Nigerians about this Edo witchcraft thing.

fart:


Sorry

Cheers bro.God bless our country.

ernesty20:
Pic of her pusy of addonbilivit

My brother this is a woman,somebody's mother.I blame the person who uploaded this instead of trying to resuscitate the woman.Shame to all of us.

nikkiking:
Edo women like fighting too much .

Few days ago news had it of tow women falls from 2 story building why fighting.....haba kilode Edo women na course

So there is no fight at all in your peace-loving tribe.That is interesting.I would like to know the tribes/village.

adorable29:



I now conclude you are a big FOO_OOL! You make no sense! Do you know why two women fighting is NEWS worthy enough to hit front page? IT IS BECAUSE IT IS RARE! Take a stroll from your street to the next and you will see at least one or two group of men fighting.


So if you weren't an im_becilic moro-n yourself, you wouldn't refer to WOMEN as zombies especially your MOTHER just cos two village women chose to quarrel!

Hediot!

Thump up.You are exactly speaking my mind.How can people described women as such.I am a guy,an Ishan with a mother and sisters who are gentle to my knowledge.Because it is a social forum, people type to insults mothers,women and even the Ishan people.So sad. Thank you for tackling the poster of that disgusting comment.

fart:
Edo animals

Stop insulting people like that.How could you call people animals.How will you feel when someone address your tribe as such.Please desist from this.It not courteous of you.God bless you.

pet4ril:
Ba tio na ibho khan Amedokhian? They must fight for almost everything. ...haba, uromi people should please try as much as possible not to fight again. ..market, dey fight, husband they fight as well

Tell me one place for naija where women nor de fight? Why people for here just de point to Ishan woman as if dem nor de fight for their family/town/village etc.I nor support women to de fight but the way wen other tribes de lambast Ishan nor follow at all.I get mothers and sisters who nor de fight. i nor de attack you but those tribal bigot wen full this forum.Some people think say if u nor be yoruba or Ibo or Hausa/falani u be nothing. Na so them take destroy this countries with tribal sentiment and bigotry.Cheers bro.

theshield:


Essan women can fight.................. My cousin divorced his wife and marry essan woman. Before he come back from work one day, his wife has beaten a neighbor to coma. They almost sold their pant to settle the problem.

'Esan women can fight'.What a sad conclusion.Because your cousin's wife, an Ishan women, fought with a neighbor does not mean Ishan women are fighters.There are sad happenings even worse than this from your tribe/area posted on this forum with no body attaching them to your tribe.Why is this different.Is it because it is not your tribe?Is fighting peculiar to Ishan alone? I guess your cousin's former wife is not an Ishan women. He divorced her because she was not good for him,i think.She might have done something worse than what the Ishan wife did,warranting the divorce. So, what is the difference between the former women and present one? If a yoruba,Ibo hausa/fulani woman fought, does it make '' their women fighters?

[quote author=nikkiking post=38945042]Edo women like fighting too much .

Few days ago news had it of tow women falls from 2 story building why fighting.....haba kilode

Tackle issues and not tribes.Condemn the fighting and not the tribe involved.How do you ascertain that the women involved are Edo?There are fight in Lagos, Kano, PH, Enugu etc.Does that make the yorubas,hausa,ibo, etc. tribes of fighters? Making such generalisation would be reckless.Cheers!

Until politicians and public office holders,and their children can be treated in these hospitals,they are far from being top.
They build hospitals and never take treatment there.
'A wife cooks a food and refuses to taste the food' .The husband and children have every reason to suspect the food being poisoned.
My take though.Some may differ with me.

pragidso:
My mum is ishan so I can also say I am proud to be an ishan woman

Good one.
I am saddened by comments made by non-esan in this forum saying all manner of trash about the great esan people and culture.i have been tacklying two postes on this matter.

Cheers

yanabasee:

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.....Broz..... Gimme alomo na..... make I follow cheers u jst de cheers me anyhow!

Hahaha.olomo is on the way.i just posted it on ur wall.

martha89:
. My brother please ignore the guy,this issue of always wanting to paint something about others even the issues is a national problem is getting old. Can you imagine he is now attaching the issue of water to Ekpoma only . I am from irrua and they don't have water problem. Ekpoma water issue you can blame it on oshiomole for not fixing the water dam the late Ambrose Ali built in the 8os. The guy is yoruba,lagos that has yaba still has many insane people rooming the street talkess of ekpoma a town that has been neglect since the80s. In the whole edo state uselu house is the one they have for mad people and mad people do travel from their town to other neighboring towns . I have read Abeokouta,Enugu and etc having water issues too. I read few months ago how nigeria only have few mental homes and all the insane news I have been reading from lagos,ogun etc but none from esanland. People must talk even when the place accomdate them.

My brother thank you very much.that was very objective of u.the guy was busy painting esan land in bad light.i think i have really taken time to answer those notions he has about ishan people.why i was so annoyed is the way he tried to elevate his tribe and bring esan people to disrepute.
I am a proud ishan man but will attack other tribe unjustly.this kind of attitude being display by him is the reason why he will not love and cherish people from other tribe apart from his tribe.
One love.

tony1918:
My brother you will not need to bring them over to my tribe because this are your children.Just make sure you don't spare the rod so you don't spoil the child and when need arises let them know with heart to heart talk

As a God fearing person,this is what you should have done than coming on social media with an attitude of 'holier than thou'.
I got kids and young chaps i mentor from different nationality,tribes,background etc.when i see a 'defects' in their morals,i never attach such to their tribe.that should be ur attitude if u want to impart humanity.morality is a world-wild issue and not confine to a particular region.
'He who thinks he stand firm,should take heed lest he fall'.
Keep safe.cheers.

easyaccess123:
ödöde rë wan ne gbe (let everyone get wisdom)

Cheers

yanabasee:

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Dude...that's not an insult...that's just a diss..
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Mind you, I wasn't posting any bad comment about the Eshan ppl as u claimed... I referred u back to my posts...to read and re-read in oda to comprehend my posts.... Capisce? Mr Osicom!

Alright.Cheers bro.

tony1918:
Thank you .Well if you must know I was born and live most of my years in S.W schooled in N.C so i will say this like the 3rd Geopolitical zone i will be living out of 6.Nobody is been abusive there are somethings you need to start accepting and try to find correction to.
Your lads are insolent accept that i can go into details if you want me to..My tribe is not Perfect so is yours but try to make amendment on your shortcomings.The insane people i have seen in Ekpoma just less than 3 months here is over 10 wetin happen now biko..I am sorry if i generalized all ESAN tribe with insanity population but i wrote in my first comment ekpoma precisely.Well for the bore hole you mean a state with so much revenue from the federal government cant provide such social amenity for you then i will say it's an high marginalization on the part of the okada and Etsako boys respectively.. And bros it's Esan not Ishan it's been long you went home ba

My good friend whose tribe is blessed with the most 'respectful lads' in Nigeria.They are 'not insolent' like the lads from Edo precisely the Esan axis.We are already negotiation how to bring these insolent lads of the Esan stock over to learn from your blessed tribe.Amen.

yanabasee:

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Lol... you're high on buhari's fart....
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If u're asked.... What insolent comment did I make about the Ishan people, that you quoted me and ask me to be caution?
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You have to read and re-read to comprehend before running ur fingers to type inconsequential comments.....

My brother you must not insult me to make a point.I never insulted you for your post.Why saying I am high on Buhari's fart.This really sad and not civil.Even if we dont see face to face let us desist from using insulting word.Cheers

tony1918:
Thank you .Well if you must know I was born and live most of my years in S.W schooled in N.C so i will say this like the 3rd Geopolitical zone i will be living out of 6.Nobody is been abusive there are somethings you need to start accepting and try to find correction to.
Your lads are insolent accept that i can go into details if you want me to..My tribe is not Perfect so is yours but try to make amendment on your shortcomings.The insane people i have seen in Ekpoma just less than 3 months here is over 10 wetin happen now biko..I am sorry if i generalized all ESAN tribe with insanity population but i wrote in my first comment ekpoma precisely.Well for the bore hole you mean a state with so much revenue from the federal government cant provide such social amenity for you then i will say it's an high marginalization on the part of the okada and Etsako boys respectively.. And bros it's Esan not Ishan it's been long you went home ba

Is the state the only state in the Federation without bore hole or water?I agree with you,government is mismanaging resources everywhere not only in Esan land.It is all over the whole states.I still insist that you cannot link insane people to Ishan people.i find that hard to believe even if u saw 50 during ur brief stay.

On the issue of the name 'Esan' or 'Ishan',i duff my hat for u? U kept me laughing.Are u ready to go into history and etymology? Let me briefly state that 'Esan' or 'Ishan' may be used interchangeably.But caution is applied when used in context.So,you should know the context in which i use both.Generally,'Ishan' is used to refer to the language while 'Esan' for the people who speak the language.
Do not speculate. Few months in the Esan land is not sufficient for you to be an authority in Esan culture and affairs.If you so desire such,consult experts on this matter,not even google can do justice.The custodians of the language are found in the 'deep' communities among chiefs and 'Enojies'.God bless u.Cheers.

yanabasee:

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Breaking News
Buhari Body language: Esan people who hated Buhari Now loves him and sings his praises every day and night. They believe that, what Buhari did to Ambrose Ali was a good thing!

Let us apply some caution.Do not generalize when u speak of Ishan people.They deserve some respect.I cannot speak like that of your tribe.Let us respect each other.

LastProphet:


i have heard this same thing severally, wow. but you can be sure instead of eshan learning how to change after hearing people like you they will come online and call you tribalist, quote me

I am shocked at what you guys are insinuating about a particular tribe.Can you give me one tribe in Nigeria that is 100% perfect.The kind of thoughts we display here is a show of tribal supremacy.One tribe thinking that they are better than the other tribe in term of goodness,beauty,infrasture,education etc

When are we going to stop associating an evil with a tribe.On social media u hear yorubas,ibo,Hausa/fulani attacking themselves and calling names.

All we busy ourselves with is to find tribes with the highest number of illiterate,witches,ugly faces,drug dealers,baby factory,beggers,insane people and the likes in order to attack and pull each other down.Is this the message of hate we ought to share?

With what I see people commenting,tribalism and nepotism is our greatest enemy in Nigeria.NO TRIBE IS GOOD AND NO TRIBE IS BAD.

tony1918:
I really appreciate your response but how many borehole or good water system do you have in your hostel when you where in Ekpoma,2.Why put blame on benin for mad people roaming your street when Esan no be Psychiatric hospital.Do you know how many Corp members have been molested by your respectful lads..

If i get you right,are you saying there are no disrespectful lads in schools in you region/tribe?Are you telling me there is pipe-born water all over you towns,cities and village?Let not pretend.We hid under the pretense that no one knows my village and run down other places we have visited.

I will really like to know that your area where infrastructure and social amenities are 100% present.

Have you bother to find out what corpers experience in your village?Will it be nice if they come here and say unpalatable things about your cities,towns,villages and ur people.Man,let be objective here.

I serve in Kaduna and will not say bad things about its people because I had very few bad experience.Man,show respect and love for other tribes.

shadowgwalker:
My fine fair eshan exbabe was opening her big sweet toto for sugar daddies while in school. What proverb fits her?
She looks cute and innocent though and I miss our nice fyiok.

Please make contribution that will advance humanity and not your sex escapade with an Ishan girl.Cheers.

tony1918:
I'm currently serving in Esan. This people are good but i will want to make my own observation.
1. Please Esanite where unah ground water,this is the first time i will be seeing rain water used for all chores and personal use
2. Why are your young lads very stubborn and insolent to there parent not to talk less of we teachers
3.Biko rate of insane people here (ekpoma Precisely) is alarming

My brother thank you for the compliments.The truths be told,is Ishan the only tribe without underground water in Nigeria?By the way this is not true.Have you tour the entire Esan land(of many LGA's) to validate your claim.

Stubborn young lads in Ishan are not the only stubborn set in Nigeria.I am not tolerating this attitude if any,but it is a national and global phenomenon.I remember some few bad experience I had during my NYSC in Kaduna state.I cannot come to the public and to say that all the young lads are this and that.Let us stop attaching a particular ill to a tribe.
How do you mean when you say the number of insane people in Ekopma is alarming.I grew up and schooled in Ekpoma.The experience you had in ekpoma about insane people is not peculiar to Ekpoma.Travel to the East,West and the North you find same.
There are some regions in Nigeria notorious for baby factory(selling of babies),drug trafficking,begger,yahoo-yahoo etc.It will be unfair for one to come out and use a blanket description for such region.LOVE AND SAY GOOD THINGS ABOUT OTHERS TRIBES AS YOU WOULD SAY TO UR TRIBE.Good bless you.Cheers.

DDeliverer:
I wan talk something...i go talk true, i no go lie..

ESHAN people too wicked.

In 2013, i did business with one Eshan man....till date the man no gree pay my money.

My last GF na ESHAN.....make i no go into the details of my life...but the truth remains if you see a snake on your right and then see an Eshan woman on your left, just kill the ESHAN woman first b4 you reason the snake.

Maybe there are some good Eshan people, maybe the OP is one of them...Maybe..

But truth be told, i have never met one Eshan person that is good. NEVER.

My good brother,this is fallacious.Can you give me a tribe full of saints and angels?Because you encounter tens and even hundreds of Ishans who treated you badly does not make them all bad.Stop this insinuation and open your mind.There are good as well as bad people any where you go on this earth.I am from Edo(Ishan/Benin) and I have good friends from Yoruba,Ibo,Hausa,Akwa Ibom name it.I also have people from these tribes who were not friendly.I cannot therefore come to a public forum to like nairaland to say ills of the entire tribe.Show love to brothers from others tribes and nigeria will be great.Cheers.

Lovexme:
I must be the only Esan guy in this thread that can't speak the language.

An Ebelle guy (IGUEBEN) in Lagos.

Just try and learn the language,it is one of ur idendity.Cheers

MuttleyLaff:
I am not attacking your person but talked about your post. If it came across as attacking your person, that wasnt the plan or intention, so please deem it fit to accept my apologies for the misconstrued attack

Exactly, which is why I advised to PLEASE scrutinise the 13 page thread to know what so far has been been written and especially posted by me

I can say or repeat same for myself too

You will see the barrier and how you're causing it soon. Watch out for it in my final post

May I bring to your attention that the topic of this thread is "Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism?"
The holes and inconsistencies seen from a mile off, are you building up a case around showing "water baptism" as a requirement for salvation

Crucify?
So me saying "There is no such thing as Matt 28:28" and afterwards typing "Correcting you, where is water in Matt 28:19?" is now crucification
and you hard done by it?
I am not saying a word further on the matter, as you might misconstrue it

Friend, if Matt 28:28 is not in the Bible, then that's phantom right there for you, it's the brain playing a figment of the imagination tricks on you. Happens to everyone now or then, dont lose sleep over it, am not.

Oh yes you are. There is baptism and there is water baptism, so which one are you referring to

SMH, If and when I say you're concocting, you flip.
Dont you see John 3:3 is out of place with the other quoted verses, its like a swollen like a red sore thumb among them, it doesnt gel with the others
As for John 3:3, why dont you stimulate your palate with "born again" by visiting a post quoting brocab with Ubenedictus cc'ed on it, I think its seven to ten posts above
https://www.nairaland.com/2383797/saved-faith-water-baptism/13#35213348

Wheyhey!, are you f_ _ kidding me with this s_ _
Bravo, encore, by the way, I already love you but I think I am now beginning to be in love with you. No homo, that needs to be said too.
Only you have had the balls and stretched your neck to agree and admit all this
I've hinted all this before, gave examples on differences in baptisms to no avail, did illustrations on different ways of using the baptism word, all for nada etc
What you've just submitted is actually part of and is in my final post on this matter

Here is where you and I might be at opposing ends, you seem to leave out baptism of fire and the spirit which John the Baptist said Jesus will baptise all with

Yeepa! You just right there killed it. Aw, wish I could see you, rub your chubby face together and plant a kiss on it.
You be correct guy to "see" this. You sure are "born from above" to "see" all these
Would have loved it if you had managed to shed light on Moses baptism
and particularly talk on what Moses baptism for the Israelites leaving Egypt, John baptism for the Jew and Jesus baptism for believers implies.
It's all good anyway, I hold no one no grudges, we inform only the most important information after careful scrutiny or examination

Never mind bro, just watch out for my final post. Concoct, concocted or concocting was just a tongue in cheek, me jokingly saying you added various ingredients (i.e. a verse or two that didnt flow with others) in making up the dish you served.

PS: I waited for you to finish your editing,
a pain those double entry or repeat posts, isnt it and how your post looked like before you properly edited it
Nice one for removing the treble entry or repeat posts

Bro, nice one.I am really optimistic about this topic especially between me and you.I also think we are beginning to narrow it down.This will really help both of us in future discussion.I think where the bone of contention lies is the treatment of the types of baptism mentioned in the Bible.I briefly touched on baptism of John;the one commanded by Christ which convert did;the one of fire and the one concerning the suffering of Jesus Christ.The actual meaning of baptism is to immerse/covered/submerge/overwhelm in 'something'.When the bible speak of Moses baptism he was referring to the Israelite who were covered in the cloud and sea (a reference to the protection offered by God against the Egyptian enemy).It is quoted rightly that they were then baptized into unto Moses (Moses being the one God used to rescue and saved the Isrealites):1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2.And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;[/i].Here, the medium was the cloud,water and ever pillar of fire at times.The purpose was for their rescue and protection .
John's baptism was for repentance for the remission of sins and the medium was water:Mark_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Christ was baptize/covered/overwhelm with suffering :Matt_20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Mat_20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father..Mar_10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:This also referred to as the 'cup of suffering' :Matt_26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Mat_26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Baptism of the Holy Ghost was also mentioned which was fulfilled in Act 2 when the Holy Ghost came upon the Apostle,specific purpose to guide them to speak what God wants us to know.

You observed that each of these baptism was specific to a group of people as in the case of the Israelite (Moses baptism),Christ (baptism of suffering),the apostles(Baptism of the Holy host).

But after Christ died resurrected,the gospel came into full effect upon which people ought have their faith and believe.Before he ascended,he instructed the apostle to preach and make disciples of all nation.This instruction was spelt out in matt 28:19;mark 16:15-16;Lk 22.And we read many people accepting Christ whenever preaching was done in the New Testament.That was why I linked water with the baptism instructed by Christ as evidenced by the eunuch who went into water.Even before now,Christ told Nicodemus of being being born of water and spirit,pointing to water baptism.
When we are baptized in water,we are said to buried in with Christ :Rom_6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. .Col_2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead..

Water baptism through faith,is liken to salvation of Noah and his household:1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Paul later wrote toward the end of his life and made mention of 'one' baptism that part of the gospel,the plan of God to save man: Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

I advocate hearing the gospel,believing and being moved by faith to accept baptism for the forgiveness of past sins and then work in newness of life.The blood of christ saves but we must accept it and act(work) that we may come in contact with the saving blood that brought grace.

I love this power passage:John_19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water



Cheers bro.Love

MuttleyLaff:
Until just now, I wasnt going to dignify your posts with comments.
Please scrutinise the thread to know what so far has been been written or posted because your post reeks of regurgitations, ill-informed opinions and unnecessary barriers

I never attacked your person for you to attack me.We are debating issues here not the person who can use the best of words.Address and discuss the passages in the Bible I quoted.It is not for you to say baptism is not important.With the numerous passages I cited and examples of people who were baptized,recorded in Bible I am well informed to believe what the bible says on this matter.I never posted my opinion here,what I posted was backed by scriptures I cited.How do I cause barrier?If I caused any barrier by simply saying exactly how the Bible puts its,so be it.I would rather prefer to be seen as causing barrier,saying exactly how it is, than going with popular notion.

MuttleyLaff:
Too many holes in these poor attempt at trying to gel-together three verses,
too many inconsistencies and you know what they are

Where are the holes,those passages simple tell of water as a medium of baptism.Where are the inconsistencies? Are you telling me that you do not compare different passages of the bible for proper understanding of a topic? If u think otherwise,then it becomes very difficult to discuss further.

MuttleyLaff:
Please dont cook up a phatom Matt 28:28 and dont try to build a water baptism doctrine on it.
There is no such thing as Matt 28:28
Correcting you, where is water in Matt 28:19?
Have you not read what I hinted about Matt 28:19 to Ubenedictus?

I was supposed to type verse 19 instead of 28.Don't crucify me for what I never intended to type. To tell that it was a mistake,did you not see the reading that accompanied the quotation? My friend this is not a phantom.I am not building a water baptism doctrine.Did Christ not command baptism,did the apostles not administer it to would-be Christians,what about the Ethiopia eunuch,what about Paul? What about the numerous believers in Act chapter 2. I once again implore you to read and see water being used to administer baptism here:

J[i]ohn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
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Act_8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act_8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water[i], both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Act_8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Act_10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
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MuttleyLaff:
Which baptism was commanded?
What kind of baptism was Peter refering to for the almost 3000 converts there in Act 2:38?
Compare and contrast the following: Moses baptism, John baptism and Jesus baptism

On the issue of which baptism,I agree there were many baptism mentioned in the new testament.There was John baptism of repentance for the remission of sin Mk_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.[/i].Luk_3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
We also read of baptism of suffering of christ :Mark_10:38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
Mar_10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: ,Luk_12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! .We are read of baptism of the Holy Ghost which empower the Apostle as we see in Act 2: Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat_3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. .This passages also made mention of baptism in fore which connotes destruction. From all these example,we can that baptism(Baptizo from greek) mean to be submerge/immerse/covered/overwhelm in something.In our discussion,one is immersed in water for baptism.

It is important to note that John's baptism was no longer in effect and was replace by the one commanded by christ.For this reason,those who received John baptism were baptized properly: [i]Act_19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act_19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

MuttleyLaff:
Ask yourself that question, why can't we just rely on what the Bible say rather than concocting up doctrines and man traditions like Pharisees do
and just bear in mind that to inform is all that's so far being done on this thread, to know is the duty of the readership
Putting out what we ALL, really ought to know, but often like in this case, few, despite all discussed here, which has been very instructive to all, wish they might not have known

Concoct what?I simple quote and read of baptism of being mentioned and practiced by the 1st century Christians.Yet you say I concocted it.This is not funny.I hope no body accuses you of concocting something when u tell them to stop stealing,repent,believe,do good works and numerous thing you read of in the bible.It becomes a concocted doctrine when one mentions baptism.Hmm.Where is our standard here.

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MEILYN:
This have been going on for a very long time. When i was young i was taught Christ was born without s.ex. How true is this? Let the bible tell us.......

Now i dont want to go through the Mathew, Luke story, it will make my post very long. Let me just go straight to the point.

"Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;" (Romans 1:3).

"Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:" (Acts 13:23).

"Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:" (2 Timothy 2:8 ).

Now according to the bible lets see what seed means. We are seeing here that Christ was from the seed of David. How can he be from the seed of David if Joseph didnt have se.x with her?

"And if any man’s seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even." (Leviticus 15:16).<< seed means sperm after se.xual intercourse.

"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;" (Acts 2:30).<<From the fruit of David's loins, according to the flesh Christ was born.

The Israelites knew Christ was Josephs Son. The Immaculate conception is in your minds.

"And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph’s son?" (Luke 4:22).

"And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? " (John 6:42).

"Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." (John 1:45).

"Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" (Matthew 13:55-56).

"And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing." (Luke 2:48 ).<<His mother said, unto him, behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing...

Jesus was born through S.ex by Joseph and Mary.

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1 John 4:3).<<if you dont confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh through a father and a mother then that is the spirit of Anti-christ in you.

"For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham." (Hebrews 2:16).<<< like everyone of us, he was born through Se.x and sperm.

If you say Jesus was conceived from the sperm of Joseph, how do explain verses that talk about a virgin giving birth to Christ? Did you know that Joseph was about putting Mary away because he was found with a child,before ever he knew her?

Mat 1:23 Behold, [b]a virgin [/b]shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Mat_1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost
Mat_1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat_1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat_1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: [i][/i]

The Bible does not support what you hold that Joseph slept with Mary for Christ to be born.