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Nice article but got nothing to do with the above article

GoldenDr:
Anayo Okpara
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She is always at the church premises by 6am wearing some faded jeans, an old T shirt and some slippers. She always comes to clean the chapel and arrange the seats. For six years she has never missed a single Sunday coming to clean the place. On this faithful day a young man walked into the chapel while she was still cleaning. He went and sat down watching as the lady cleaned. He was impressed that a lady who looked quite good even in the old cloths and a scarf over her hair could be so dedicated to her work in church. He thought within himself that this was an unfortunate lady who probably had not gotten anyone to take care of her schooling and now she would probably be an orange seller or some petty trader struggling to make ends meet. He watched and within his heart he felt he now knew what God wanted him to do. When he had felt a compulsion to come very early to church he had not understood but now he thought he did. He went back to his car and took out two 50 cedis notes and when the lady finished her work and was about to leave he called her and commended her for her service and gave her the notes. She respectfully declined the gift but he insisted pressing it into her hands. He asked if she lived close by or if he could go drop her so she would not be late. She thanked him and told him that her car was nearby, but he did not comprehend or even try to understand what she had just said. He walked her out determined to find out all he could about this lady that God wanted him to help change her level. They walked out of the chapel with him telling her where he worked and how God had asked him to come early to church that day and how he believed God is directing him to help make a big difference in her life. He was so busy talking he had not realized they had walked directly to a car parked under some trees in the parking lot. The car made his one year old Benz look like a worn out wheel barrow. The lady opened the driver’s door stepped in and handed over her card to the man and said, “I believe God sent you here for a purpose, but I do not think it was to change my level, May be it was to change yours.” I am tempted to say it took a forklift to shut the young man's mouth and move him from the place he was glued to as the lady drove off. God had a purpose for bringing him to church that morning and that purpose was to teach him humility which he learnt well because now two people always clean the chapel when everyone fails to show up. Many times we think so highly of ourselves that where God sends us to learn we go trying to teach. We may be men created in the image of God but at one time ants shall be the professors seeking to impart knowledge to us only if we are humble enough to learn.
Stay blessed, be humble, trust and obey.

Elosky20:
both them, tompolo and nigerian economy, he must obey the rule of law, remember nobody fights the govt of a country violently and win.

This government is threading on a path they shouldnt in the very first place.

ABEG WHO KISS DON HELP?

I find it insulting you calling me a lair... But i will pardon you, it only shows me your level of reasoning.

Like i said earlier, I have spent a reasonable part of my life in the west, I did a short time program in Olabisi Onabanjo University, the campus was in Ijebu-Ode, i was very close friend with the Aujale's Grand daughter so i know more about the royalty there. I schooled in Ibadan, so i know a little about the Olu-badan, Next i did my NYSC in Osun State, Osogbo to be precised i would often travel to Ife to see my friend. There's actually no big deal about your monarchies, (maybe a royal staff and an immortal turtle).

I like you to come to Benin city maybe for a visit. So you can feel the Enigma of the Benin monarchy. In Edo land the benin Monarch is the most highly esteemed of all monarchies, others are Subjects unlike in the yoruba land where the the ooni claims superiority over the alafin. Go find out, the Olu of warri, itshekiri, obi of agbor, asaba, the calabar monarch all pay tribute to the Omo N'Oba Okun akpolopkolo.

Its so sad that your leaders and elders told told you fables in place of your history

Super1Star:
You are a liar, show us the book that told you Oduduwa came them from heaven. Just 1.

Obatala and Orunmila? Yes. That is our believe and so be it. If Jesus Enoch and Elijah can ascend, yes our own too can descend from there. Deal with it.

Have you been to Ooni's, Alaafin and Awujale's palaces?

Go there to see, hear and learn history.

In JSS1 i was taught the myth about how Oduduwa dropped from the sky to form the yoruba race. I couldn't believe that tale and even as a child i tried to correlate the relationship between the Edo people and the Yoruba people. The fable just did not add up.

I have spent a valuable number of my life time in the west in fact i have visited all the entire yoruba states. Trust me you cant compare any of the yoruba monarchs with the Bini Monarch. The Omo N'Oba is so highly exulted that his presence alone will send shivers through your spine.

Super1Star:
It is very funny that the same people that are claiming they had an empire that had been trading with the Portuguese before Jesus was born could not write a history book before the Yorubas, thereby giving the Yorubas the opportunity to "re-write" history in their "own" favour.

What an argument and line of thought!!!!

Who should the Yorubas have written the history book in favour? The Bantus or Zulus I guess.

Your argument keeps getting irritating and devoid of logic on a progressive scale

Based on the relationship between the Benin Empire and the Portuguese, an early Portuguese writer named Joan d Barros gave a vivid description of how Benin takes permission from Ife before the coronation of a new Oba of Benin.

gentleheart1:
OYO EMPIRE...A YORUBA KINGDOM CREATED ON PAGES
OF YORUBA HISTORIANS TEXTBOOKS AMIDST, GLARING
CONTRADICTIONS AND PALPABLE FALSEHOOD:
(1). Their story of kingship began with an Edo prince
called Izoduwa as recorded by unimpeachable
historical records and corroborated by Benin recorded
History.


(2). Ayayi Crowder,a recaptured Yoruba Slave who
later became a bishop said, little were know about
yoruba existence, clearly meaning they were not
originally part of the Nigeria of today and neither
were they settlers within its geographical boundaries
but were in small settlements close to Dahomey. Most
Yorubas today are either Muslims or Christians and
those with African traditions copied or got them from
Benin civilization. It doubtful if they are not
immigrants from dahomy mixed with Benins or other
fulani-hausa from Niger . Bishop Samuel Adjayi
Crowther (c. 1809 – 31 December 1891) Was the first
African Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Born in Osogun (in
today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State, Nigeria).
His grandson was Herbert Macaulay


(3). Yoruba have dublicity of kingships with the process
highly polarized than being traditional.A system they
tried to copy from Benin but have not been able to get
right like the Benin Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the
most revered institutions in the world because of the
way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict
and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of
valour, discipline and integrity. Edo chieftaincy titles
cannot be bought or conferred on non-indigenes or
frivolously. Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly
sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It
does not make sense, therefore, to think that a people
who would not and have never conferred their
chieftaincy titles on non-indigenes, would voluntarily
invite, accept, or surrender to non-indigenes as their
kings. Note that due to celestial and customary
taboos,the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle things
that have no beneficial value to his domain.


(4). Most traditional religions being practiced by the
Yorubas today are of Benin Origins.Olokun, Ogun, Iha
oguega(ifa), oronmila, Esago(shango), Ayelala
etc.Benin traditions,mystic and spirituality are
stillfully documented and yorubanized by Yorubas in
positions of affluence. Edo people today are
predominantly Christians with some denying their
traditional religious origins. But,it has not been
possible to exterminate our traditional practice
because it is embedded firmly in our ways of life.
Although the Great Edo (Benin) Kingdom was not
major participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade,
because the Obas (Kings) believed that their subjects
were too valuable to sell away, and their noblemen
had need of war captives on their own farms, the
influence of Edo religion and medicine have still been
substantial on the people of the Americas.
According to Mason (1996), it has been widely
accepted that Olokun (god of the sea) worship
originated with the Edos and spread to the Yoruba
(p.2). In fact, the most prominent part of Edo
cultural traditions that has made its mark in the New
World is Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters,
known as Osiris in Egypt) worship originated from
Urhonigbe and then became prominent at
Ughoton,around the Ethiope (Olokun) River. The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time. Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period, trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders. Prior to
the Oba Period,Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated
into Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at
Ughoton, before his moving westward with his followers
to establish Ilefe (Ero,1999,p.108-109).
Once he arrived, Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe, which could be what yoruba
call IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa’s loins, the
Yoruba dynasties may have began. However, it is
certain that Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship
spread to the outlying Yoruba areas. During the trans-
Atlantic slave trade, slave raids were launched upon
Yoruba and Ibo territories. Europeans were able to
obtain some of the greatest amounts of West Africans
from both Yoruba and Ibo land (Crosby,1992, p.136).
In the 18th century in Iboland at Isseke, slave
raiders took a famous Edo subject named Olaudah
Equiano, who later wrote about the encounter. Olaudah
traveled to the New World and then to England,
learned to read and write English, and shared his
religious and cultural experiences.
Many Edo traditions were directly and indirectly
incorporated into the New World through its far
reaching colonies. The Edo Kingdom extended from the
boundary with Oyo in the north (Otun) to the Atlantic
in the south, beyond Asaba to River Niger, and up to
Eko (Lagos) in the west. Both Edo religion and
medicine have already been taken to those domains,
following traditional practices originating in Edo land.



(5). Benin ruled over what today known as
Yorubaland, IFE, EKITI, LAGOS, OGUN, OWO, ONDO ETC


(6). Benin through Oba Orhogbuan founded lagos and
ruled Lagos through royal viceroys whose descendants
are today the traditional rulers of Lagos.The rights of
who owns Lagos is not disputable.Lagos was a Benin
town with a Benin Duke who paid tribute to the Oba of
Benin indeed his chiefs were the descendants of noble
Benin families. The Benin empire ran Lagos for over
400 years before the colonial powers took over.
Though there were some migrant yorubas from togo
during british presence in lagos, but they formed not
the rulers of the town but the subjects of the Oba just
like we find in the United Kingdom today where people
are subjects of the queen of England and not citizens.
We will explain citizenship rights to you later in
another treatise.

(7). Benin first to meet Europeans
( . "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not
Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of
Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his
title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional
leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if
Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived
our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a
name for king in the their native language/tongue.
The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British
change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin

(9). They never conquered any territory but rather
struggle with their neighbours before and after the
first encounter with Europeans slave hunters.

(10). "Edo" have no linguistic relationship with
Yoruba. Words like Eko,Idu
Ganran,Yaba,Oshodi,Osa,Eti-Osa,idu-magbo,Idu-
mota have no Yoruba origin but Edo's.

(11). Note history is subject to scientific diagnosis and
many historic writtings in the past about Benin-yoruba
have been proved by archaeologies and scientist as
erroneous and false.

(12). Many Yoruba being those in the forefront of
Nigeria history writers wrote history textbooks used in
Nigeria institutions and thus had the benefit of
making their yoruba look like leading culture with the
richest history for nigerians.

(13). Yorubas exploiting their privilege of imbibing the
whiteman's education first have been peddling
falsehood in Nigeria,British and other western
universities misleading Africans with grammar and
academic titles. They confuse other external scholars
about the true realities of African history, implanting
those false history into African -America books
without the knowledge of the Edo King.

(14). Yorubas engaged the highest in slave raiding in
their togo-oyo region which stretched to lagos during
slave trade. see http://ihuanedo.ning.com/ …/to…/
yoruba-enslavement-of-african

(15) Yoruba never colonized Benin but Benin colonized
many Yoruba settlements.

(16) Yoruba is not in anyway related to Igbo ancestral
history

(17) Yoruba was not in anyway related to itsekiri
history. There could be later migrants during the
European exploration and commerce but not related to
the itsekiri ancestral lineage. Never mind all the title
of "Olu" in the region,it is a title contrived to replace
the original which is "Ode" of Itsekiris.

(18) Bishop Ajayi crowder and Obafemi Awolowo made
Yoruba known today as an ethnic group in Nigeria

(19) How can an Empire be inside an Empire? Many so
called yoruba territories of today never existed in the
past but were invented and stillfully documented into
dubious historical records.

(20) Most of their books and publications are mere
opinions of the writers concocted inside their rooms
without scientific researches or facts-finding visits to
Ancient Benin for archaeological veracity. Covered up
with self hate, jealousy and envy of the Great Benin,
bias and leftish in many of their so called Nigerian
history,they tried to re-invent a history that
diminishes our political greatness.

(22) Many Yorubas in Lagos today came as migrant
workers for British companies and their construction
projects.That is why you have a lot of their
photographs with whites. Britain also used them as
colonial officers.

(23) Before Britain or before the punitive expedition
of 1897, Yorubas have no mega state to be found as
the recognized major ethnic group in lagos were Edos.

(24) Where is Yoruba ancient flag or before 1897?
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Re: 50 Reasons Why Yoruba Never Had An Empire But
Civilized By Benin by thekingisback : 10:30pm On Feb 09
(25) Their loyalty to slave masters, British merchant
gave them the huge presence in lagos, Americas and
England

(26) The word Yoruba has it's roots in Yoruba.The
fulani used to call the Oyo people Yoruba.There was no
really united Yoruba nation till awolowo came with a
cooked up Oduduwa myth with the intention of uniting
them under them with advent of Egbe omo Oduduwa
clearly for political mileage.The ones that came to the
Americas were identified as lucumi which is corrupted
from olukumi.

(27) The Ooni of Ife,the Alake of Abeokuta ( Egba),
the Olubadan of Ibadan,the Oba of Oshogbo, the Deji
of Akure,the Oba of Lagos,the Ugbo of Ugboland,the
Owu of Owo etc have no historical records that they
were ever ruled by an empire with such name.
Rather,the Oba of Lagos,the Deji of Akure and all the
traditional rulers in present day ondo and Ekiti states
have indubitable records that they were once part of
the old Benin empire.

(28) The capital of the fathom Oyo empire is alleged to
be Oyo-Ile. This is a community that is not as big as
Uromi township. It is smaller than many headquarters
of south western city states currently existing. It is not
as big as Eyaen in Benin city. How come the capital of
such great empire ( sic!) is so small and a far cry
from any that is known in history? The false historians
failed woefully to cover this jigsaw puzzle.

(29) The Kingdom of Nupe was an acephalous
community but in the 17th century,it sacked Oyo .
Evicted it from Borgu and made it to relocate its
capital to OYO Igoho, another hamlet community that
can never qualify as capital of a dukedom let alone
an empire. Now, most of the communities of Nupe were
tribute payers to the Benin empire and never Benin
conquerors.

(30) It is on incontrovertible record that,the
colonialist never met an empire called Oyo when they
came to Nigeria but they did meet the Benin Empire in
all her glory having Suzerainty over many Yoruba
speaking city states like
Lagos,Akure,Ado,Idoani,Ondo,Igbokoda,Owo,Ifon,Ekiti,
etc. infact, it is the admission of the fact by many of
these coastal states that their overlord is the Oba of
Benin that led to the European interest to visit the
Oba and settle supremacy once and for all. Oba
Ovoramwen Nogbaisi was the one they eventually
clashed with. Recall that as early as the 14th century,
the Oba of Benin has had positive and co-equals
interactions with the Portuguese Empire.

(31) Look closely at the map in pix one hereto. That is
the colonial Map of Benin. It is less than half of what
it was before the whiteman came. Still at that, it shows
the whole of the current Midwest,nearly the whole
western states including the whole Lagos, some eastern
states and north central communities as part of the
empire of Benin they met. Now, tell me, where is the
geo-political delineation of the mythical oyo empire
created by Ola Biola,Olatun Bonsun et al?

(32) How come Oyo-Ile the capital of the contrived
OYO is today not the most important city in
Yorubaland as Benin city is in Edo. Many old cities
that survive still remain the seats of governments.
Sokoto,Benin city etc. but the alleged Capital of old
oyo hardly ranks as a local government headquarters.
This is not consistent with the Yoruba nature which
accords much respect to traditional authority and
culture. The explanation is simple. There never was
such an empire with such a small community as capital
city. The proud Yoruba man can never accept such
scandal. The capital of their city states like
Ibadan,Abeokuta etc is enough to take care of their
territorial pride,not the scandalous hamlet of OYO-
Ile.

(33) Do you know that there is hardly a Yoruba
community except the much mentioned Oyo-Ile,that
has no exclusive language of its own that is not Yoruba.
These various Yoruba languages are mutually
unintelligible to each other. The current general
Yoruba evolved from markets that was then mainly
that of slave trading.

(34) Now, unlike the Benins and most indigenous
Nigerian kingdoms,the Yorubas have the most exported
slaves in diaspora. They are very many in the
Caribbeans and in Brazil. Do you know why? This is
because,it is easy to sell people who are not from the
same stork with you.except for criminals,Benin and
other kingdoms do not sell their citizens. This again
clearly show that a monolithic oyo empire was a lie. The
Yorubas had warring and hostile city states and were
never united under one pre-colonial power. Chief
Awolowo was once rejected by them at the polls as
Ijebu( fake) Yoruba. Ironically, it was the same man
that came out with the concept and in fact united
them as one common political people. That is why they
worship him second only to Oduduwa.

(35) Do you know that even their historians admitted
the truth in their text books that Oramiyan after
leaving Benin founded OYO empire. It is very obvious
that Benin is older by far than the fathom Oyo Empire.
What is however curious is that, if Ajaka,Shango,Ogun
all later children of Oramiyan were deified to be
worshipped by the Yorubas, how come Oramiyan's
eldest son ( Eweka) who established the most powerful
dynasty on earth was not included in their list of
deities. This further lend weight to the argument that
the history of the Yoruba empire was all about tribal
glorification. Anyway, Oduduwa their alleged founder
was actually Prince Izoduwa ( Ekhalederan) the only
son of the last Ogiso of the first Benin dynasty-Owodo
who was banished so that his father could have other
children. This is a story for another day.

(36) It still beat me why other Africa historical states
only have Benin on their record not OYO empire.
Dahomey the alleged neighbour of old OYO recognized
Benin as not only its cradle but its main powerful
neighbour. Find this extract from Wikipedia
interesting..

(37) According to the Wikipedia article on the People’s
Republic of Benin, the new name was chosen to reflect
the Benin Empire “that had once flourished in
neighboring Nigeria.” Most sources, however, maintain
that the new name referenced not the Empire but the
Bight of Benin, the adjacent stretch of the Atlantic
Ocean. The country’s new leaders rejected the name
“Dahomey” because they considered it too ethnically
exclusive, since the old kingdom of that name had
been closely identified with the Fon people of the
coastal zone. The new name, based on physical
geography, seemed less divisive—even though the term
“Benin” ultimate derives from the former Benin
Kingdom of the Edo people in what is now Nigeria. The
capital of that state, Ubinu, gave rise to the term
“Benin City,” which was generalized to cover the entire
kingdom, and was subsequently applied to the
adjacent sea.
We have never doubted our relationship with the
Yorubas. Everything natural points to the fact that
they are our cousin. What We however disapprove is
their attempt to use their privileged premier schooling
by the whiteman to re-write history by distorting the
true one and concocting a fake one that undermines
the superiority of the old Benin empire over their city
states.

(38) Here is a beautiful example of Rigobert Bonne's
1770 decorative map of West Africa. Covers from the
Gold Coast (modern day Ghana), south around the
Bight of Benin to Gabon, Congo and Angola. Includes
the modern day countries of Ghana, Togo, Benin,
Nigeria, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Congo
and Angola. As with most maps of Africa, this map
shows excellent detail along the coast and only
speculation in the interior. Give evidence of significant
Belgian mapping activities throughout the Congo.
Names numerous African Kingdoms including Anzico,
Mujaco, Bembe, Lubolo, Pemba, Dembi, Calbongo,
Bake-Bake, Benin and others. Attempts to map the
Niger River as to flows into the Desert de Seth or
Saghara, but most of this cartography is speculative at
best. Drawn by R. Bonne in 1770 for issue as plate no.
B 30 in Jean Lattre's 1776 issue of the Atlas Moderne
." here there was no mention of any empire or people
called yoruba or oyo empire
Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/ …/
File:1770_Bonne_Map_of_West_…

Thank you so much...

1). Their story of kingship began with an Edo prince
called Izoduwa as recorded by unimpeachable
historical records and corroborated by Benin recorded
History.


(2). Ayayi Crowder,a recaptured Yoruba Slave who
later became a bishop said, little were know about
yoruba existence, clearly meaning they were not
originally part of the Nigeria of today and neither
were they settlers within its geographical boundaries
but were in small settlements close to Dahomey. Most
Yorubas today are either Muslims or Christians and
those with African traditions copied or got them from
Benin civilization. It doubtful if they are not
immigrants from dahomy mixed with Benins or other
fulani-hausa from Niger . Bishop Samuel Adjayi
Crowther (c. 1809 – 31 December 1891) Was the first
African Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Born in Osogun (in
today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State, Nigeria).
His grandson was Herbert Macaulay


(3). Yoruba have dublicity of kingships with the process
highly polarized than being traditional.A system they
tried to copy from Benin but have not been able to get
right like the Benin Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the
most revered institutions in the world because of the
way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict
and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of
valour, discipline and integrity. Edo chieftaincy titles
cannot be bought or conferred on non-indigenes or
frivolously. Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly
sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It
does not make sense, therefore, to think that a people
who would not and have never conferred their
chieftaincy titles on non-indigenes, would voluntarily
invite, accept, or surrender to non-indigenes as their
kings. Note that due to celestial and customary
taboos,the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle things
that have no beneficial value to his domain.


(4). Most traditional religions being practiced by the
Yorubas today are of Benin Origins.Olokun, Ogun, Iha
oguega(ifa), oronmila, Esago(shango), Ayelala
etc.Benin traditions,mystic and spirituality are
stillfully documented and yorubanized by Yorubas in
positions of affluence. Edo people today are
predominantly Christians with some denying their
traditional religious origins. But,it has not been
possible to exterminate our traditional practice
because it is embedded firmly in our ways of life.
Although the Great Edo (Benin) Kingdom was not
major participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade,
because the Obas (Kings) believed that their subjects
were too valuable to sell away, and their noblemen
had need of war captives on their own farms, the
influence of Edo religion and medicine have still been
substantial on the people of the Americas.
According to Mason (1996), it has been widely
accepted that Olokun (god of the sea) worship
originated with the Edos and spread to the Yoruba
(p.2). In fact, the most prominent part of Edo
cultural traditions that has made its mark in the New
World is Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters,
known as Osiris in Egypt) worship originated from
Urhonigbe and then became prominent at
Ughoton,around the Ethiope (Olokun) River. The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time. Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period, trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders. Prior to
the Oba Period,Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated
into Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at
Ughoton, before his moving westward with his followers
to establish Ilefe (Ero,1999,p.108-109).
Once he arrived, Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe, which could be what yoruba
call IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa’s loins, the
Yoruba dynasties may have began. However, it is
certain that Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship
spread to the outlying Yoruba areas. During the trans-
Atlantic slave trade, slave raids were launched upon
Yoruba and Ibo territories. Europeans were able to
obtain some of the greatest amounts of West Africans
from both Yoruba and Ibo land (Crosby,1992, p.136).
In the 18th century in Iboland at Isseke, slave
raiders took a famous Edo subject named Olaudah
Equiano, who later wrote about the encounter. Olaudah
traveled to the New World and then to England,
learned to read and write English, and shared his
religious and cultural experiences.
Many Edo traditions were directly and indirectly
incorporated into the New World through its far
reaching colonies. The Edo Kingdom extended from the
boundary with Oyo in the north (Otun) to the Atlantic
in the south, beyond Asaba to River Niger, and up to
Eko (Lagos) in the west. Both Edo religion and
medicine have already been taken to those domains,
following traditional practices originating in Edo land.



(5). Benin ruled over what today known as
Yorubaland, IFE, EKITI, LAGOS, OGUN, OWO, ONDO ETC


(6). Benin through Oba Orhogbuan founded lagos and
ruled Lagos through royal viceroys whose descendants
are today the traditional rulers of Lagos.The rights of
who owns Lagos is not disputable.Lagos was a Benin
town with a Benin Duke who paid tribute to the Oba of
Benin indeed his chiefs were the descendants of noble
Benin families. The Benin empire ran Lagos for over
400 years before the colonial powers took over.
Though there were some migrant yorubas from togo
during british presence in lagos, but they formed not
the rulers of the town but the subjects of the Oba just
like we find in the United Kingdom today where people
are subjects of the queen of England and not citizens.
We will explain citizenship rights to you later in
another treatise.

(7). Benin first to meet Europeans
( . "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not
Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of
Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his
title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional
leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if
Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived
our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a
name for king in the their native language/tongue.
The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British
change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin

(9). They never conquered any territory but rather
struggle with their neighbours before and after the
first encounter with Europeans slave hunters.

(10). "Edo" have no linguistic relationship with
Yoruba. Words like Eko,Idu
Ganran,Yaba,Oshodi,Osa,Eti-Osa,idu-magbo,Idu-
mota have no Yoruba origin but Edo's.

(11). Note history is subject to scientific diagnosis and
many historic writtings in the past about Benin-yoruba
have been proved by archaeologies and scientist as
erroneous and false.

(12). Many Yoruba being those in the forefront of
Nigeria history writers wrote history textbooks used in
Nigeria institutions and thus had the benefit of
making their yoruba look like leading culture with the
richest history for nigerians.

(13). Yorubas exploiting their privilege of imbibing the
whiteman's education first have been peddling
falsehood in Nigeria,British and other western
universities misleading Africans with grammar and
academic titles. They confuse other external scholars
about the true realities of African history, implanting
those false history into African -America books
without the knowledge of the Edo King.

(14). Yorubas engaged the highest in slave raiding in
their togo-oyo region which stretched to lagos during
slave trade. see http://ihuanedo.ning.com/ …/to…/
yoruba-enslavement-of-african

(15) Yoruba never colonized Benin but Benin colonized
many Yoruba settlements.

(16) Yoruba is not in anyway related to Igbo ancestral
history

(17) Yoruba was not in anyway related to itsekiri
history. There could be later migrants during the
European exploration and commerce but not related to
the itsekiri ancestral lineage. Never mind all the title
of "Olu" in the region,it is a title contrived to replace
the original which is "Ode" of Itsekiris.

(18) Bishop Ajayi crowder and Obafemi Awolowo made
Yoruba known today as an ethnic group in Nigeria

(19) How can an Empire be inside an Empire? Many so
called yoruba territories of today never existed in the
past but were invented and stillfully documented into
dubious historical records.

(20) Most of their books and publications are mere
opinions of the writers concocted inside their rooms
without scientific researches or facts-finding visits to
Ancient Benin for archaeological veracity. Covered up
with self hate, jealousy and envy of the Great Benin,
bias and leftish in many of their so called Nigerian
history,they tried to re-invent a history that
diminishes our political greatness.

(22) Many Yorubas in Lagos today came as migrant
workers for British companies and their construction
projects.That is why you have a lot of their
photographs with whites. Britain also used them as
colonial officers.

(23) Before Britain or before the punitive expedition
of 1897, Yorubas have no mega state to be found as
the recognized major ethnic group in lagos were Edos.

(24) Where is Yoruba ancient flag or before 1897?
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Re: 50 Reasons Why Yoruba Never Had An Empire But
Civilized By Benin by thekingisback : 10:30pm On Feb 09
(25) Their loyalty to slave masters, British merchant
gave them the huge presence in lagos, Americas and
England

(26) The word Yoruba has it's roots in Yoruba.The
fulani used to call the Oyo people Yoruba.There was no
really united Yoruba nation till awolowo came with a
cooked up Oduduwa myth with the intention of uniting
them under them with advent of Egbe omo Oduduwa
clearly for political mileage.The ones that came to the
Americas were identified as lucumi which is corrupted
from olukumi.

(27) The Ooni of Ife,the Alake of Abeokuta ( Egba),
the Olubadan of Ibadan,the Oba of Oshogbo, the Deji
of Akure,the Oba of Lagos,the Ugbo of Ugboland,the
Owu of Owo etc have no historical records that they
were ever ruled by an empire with such name.
Rather,the Oba of Lagos,the Deji of Akure and all the
traditional rulers in present day ondo and Ekiti states
have indubitable records that they were once part of
the old Benin empire.

(28) The capital of the fathom Oyo empire is alleged to
be Oyo-Ile. This is a community that is not as big as
Uromi township. It is smaller than many headquarters
of south western city states currently existing. It is not
as big as Eyaen in Benin city. How come the capital of
such great empire ( sic!) is so small and a far cry
from any that is known in history? The false historians
failed woefully to cover this jigsaw puzzle.

(29) The Kingdom of Nupe was an acephalous
community but in the 17th century,it sacked Oyo .
Evicted it from Borgu and made it to relocate its
capital to OYO Igoho, another hamlet community that
can never qualify as capital of a dukedom let alone
an empire. Now, most of the communities of Nupe were
tribute payers to the Benin empire and never Benin
conquerors.

(30) It is on incontrovertible record that,the
colonialist never met an empire called Oyo when they
came to Nigeria but they did meet the Benin Empire in
all her glory having Suzerainty over many Yoruba
speaking city states like
Lagos,Akure,Ado,Idoani,Ondo,Igbokoda,Owo,Ifon,Ekiti,
etc. infact, it is the admission of the fact by many of
these coastal states that their overlord is the Oba of
Benin that led to the European interest to visit the
Oba and settle supremacy once and for all. Oba
Ovoramwen Nogbaisi was the one they eventually
clashed with. Recall that as early as the 14th century,
the Oba of Benin has had positive and co-equals
interactions with the Portuguese Empire.

(31) Look closely at the map in pix one hereto. That is
the colonial Map of Benin. It is less than half of what
it was before the whiteman came. Still at that, it shows
the whole of the current Midwest,nearly the whole
western states including the whole Lagos, some eastern
states and north central communities as part of the
empire of Benin they met. Now, tell me, where is the
geo-political delineation of the mythical oyo empire
created by Ola Biola,Olatun Bonsun et al?

(32) How come Oyo-Ile the capital of the contrived
OYO is today not the most important city in
Yorubaland as Benin city is in Edo. Many old cities
that survive still remain the seats of governments.
Sokoto,Benin city etc. but the alleged Capital of old
oyo hardly ranks as a local government headquarters.
This is not consistent with the Yoruba nature which
accords much respect to traditional authority and
culture. The explanation is simple. There never was
such an empire with such a small community as capital
city. The proud Yoruba man can never accept such
scandal. The capital of their city states like
Ibadan,Abeokuta etc is enough to take care of their
territorial pride,not the scandalous hamlet of OYO-
Ile.

(33) Do you know that there is hardly a Yoruba
community except the much mentioned Oyo-Ile,that
has no exclusive language of its own that is not Yoruba.
These various Yoruba languages are mutually
unintelligible to each other. The current general
Yoruba evolved from markets that was then mainly
that of slave trading.

(34) Now, unlike the Benins and most indigenous
Nigerian kingdoms,the Yorubas have the most exported
slaves in diaspora. They are very many in the
Caribbeans and in Brazil. Do you know why? This is
because,it is easy to sell people who are not from the
same stork with you.except for criminals,Benin and
other kingdoms do not sell their citizens. This again
clearly show that a monolithic oyo empire was a lie. The
Yorubas had warring and hostile city states and were
never united under one pre-colonial power. Chief
Awolowo was once rejected by them at the polls as
Ijebu( fake) Yoruba. Ironically, it was the same man
that came out with the concept and in fact united
them as one common political people. That is why they
worship him second only to Oduduwa.

(35) Do you know that even their historians admitted
the truth in their text books that Oramiyan after
leaving Benin founded OYO empire. It is very obvious
that Benin is older by far than the fathom Oyo Empire.
What is however curious is that, if Ajaka,Shango,Ogun
all later children of Oramiyan were deified to be
worshipped by the Yorubas, how come Oramiyan's
eldest son ( Eweka) who established the most powerful
dynasty on earth was not included in their list of
deities. This further lend weight to the argument that
the history of the Yoruba empire was all about tribal
glorification. Anyway, Oduduwa their alleged founder
was actually Prince Izoduwa ( Ekhalederan) the only
son of the last Ogiso of the first Benin dynasty-Owodo
who was banished so that his father could have other
children. This is a story for another day.

(36) It still beat me why other Africa historical states
only have Benin on their record not OYO empire.
Dahomey the alleged neighbour of old OYO recognized
Benin as not only its cradle but its main powerful
neighbour. Find this extract from Wikipedia
interesting..

(37) According to the Wikipedia article on the People’s
Republic of Benin, the new name was chosen to reflect
the Benin Empire “that had once flourished in
neighboring Nigeria.” Most sources, however, maintain
that the new name referenced not the Empire but the
Bight of Benin, the adjacent stretch of the Atlantic
Ocean. The country’s new leaders rejected the name
“Dahomey” because they considered it too ethnically
exclusive, since the old kingdom of that name had
been closely identified with the Fon people of the
coastal zone. The new name, based on physical
geography, seemed less divisive—even though the term
“Benin” ultimate derives from the former Benin
Kingdom of the Edo people in what is now Nigeria. The
capital of that state, Ubinu, gave rise to the term
“Benin City,” which was generalized to cover the entire
kingdom, and was subsequently applied to the
adjacent sea.
We have never doubted our relationship with the
Yorubas. Everything natural points to the fact that
they are our cousin. What We however disapprove is
their attempt to use their privileged premier schooling
by the whiteman to re-write history by distorting the
true one and concocting a fake one that undermines
the superiority of the old Benin empire over their city
states.

(38) Here is a beautiful example of Rigobert Bonne's
1770 decorative map of West Africa. Covers from the
Gold Coast (modern day Ghana), south around the
Bight of Benin to Gabon, Congo and Angola. Includes
the modern day countries of Ghana, Togo, Benin,
Nigeria, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Congo
and Angola. As with most maps of Africa, this map
shows excellent detail along the coast and only
speculation in the interior. Give evidence of significant
Belgian mapping activities throughout the Congo.
Names numerous African Kingdoms including Anzico,
Mujaco, Bembe, Lubolo, Pemba, Dembi, Calbongo,
Bake-Bake, Benin and others. Attempts to map the
Niger River as to flows into the Desert de Seth or
Saghara, but most of this cartography is speculative at
best. Drawn by R. Bonne in 1770 for issue as plate no.
B 30 in Jean Lattre's 1776 issue of the Atlas Moderne
." here there was no mention of any empire or people
called yoruba or oyo empire
Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/ …/
File:1770_Bonne_Map_of_West_…

I think you are totally wrong. First of all how are the Edo people related to the yoruba people when the traditions and gods differ?

even after this video went viral i can bet my life on it that justice will never be served.

konji1:
is anything wrong in complimenting her??

Both of them should be dismissed from the Nigerian Army.

I can bet my life on this, justice will never be served.

This can only happen in yoruba land...

this is very barbaric

Please does anyone have an idea how i can send money to the united states with the normal CBN foreign exchange rate?

There's no point... She pass away a couple of days ago.

kaziblake:
You saw picture there and you are still calling it a scam.

Segun's Wife passed away a couple of days back.

oyalunasamuel:
am actuallly new to nairaland. i barely know my way around here. but I'll be glad if you can help with the email. thanks

Its sad to know guys, that Segun's wife past away a few days ago.

Chomsky1967:
Awwww so sorry about that, I pray God makes a way, just hold on tight, you are a great friend . I'm a sis btw

thanks sis. I appreciate your concern.

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Bro i check it out. I thinks its solely for American citizens.

Chomsky1967:
Google "Gofundme". See if you can open a gofundme account. All the best

So i got in touch with Segun and he told me that a letter will be out by next week to help for a fund raiser. as soon as it does i will get a copy of it. So people won't have to doubt the authenticity of this story. so far those are the only photographs that i could get.

Her name is Mrs Obi Vivian C, Adisa and she hails from Imo state.

Según is from Osun state

Vivian was diagnosed with Chronic Kidney failure and has been on weekly to remove the waste from her body so far she has under gone 8 sessions.

alright bro I'll do that right away.

IamLEGEND1:
just go to the front page.

near the bottom of the page,right under the last topic you'll find a 'MAIL SUPERMODS' interface. use it.

they might require some information from you wic I might not be able to provide.... so it's best if you do it urself.

Thank you very much bro, this is actually a life line because i know exactly who to right. My friend says he is expecting a letter from the hospital in a couple of weeks time to so as do aid fund raising i think thats a nice place to start from. all the same thank you very much

Appleyard:
I don't have cash to offer you, but all i have is in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, your friend's wife will rise again,amen.

If you are that determine to raise funds, i will advice that you guys go on tv and plead for help, especially on stations like Channels tv, NTA, AIT, Silverbird, etc. And also visit prominent churches. You guys can also write to some NGOs, especially those run by the UN, and you may also write to some prominent individuals like Dangote, Senators, especially the one representing their constituency, as well as government personel, like the Governor or the first Lady of the State concerned. Remember to put them all in prayers. You never can tell where favour may come from. Thats all i can offer. God bless you and grant your friend's wife the bread of healing, in Jesus Name, Amen!

am actuallly new to nairaland. i barely know my way around here. but I'll be glad if you can help with the email. thanks

IamLEGEND1:
u should have mailed Seún.
he,his goons alongside would have helped in raising more awareness.

There was a fund raiser recently for a child with a heart disease. just look it up & see how it went.

alright i'll contact segun right away for this information. Thanks.

wwhitewitch:
pics of the sick wife, pics of your friend and the name of the ward in the hospital his wife is admitted in then we will go to the hospital to confirm then see the doctor's report bfore then we will start donating.

Amen

Sept20:
So sad and touching...

God will perform miracles in their lives, including yours for trying to help

Thats seguns number. Nairalanders in Auchi can confirm this case with the details. I could post fake photos but the truth is, i dont have photographs now. but as soon as i get in touch with Segun i might or could get this information...

iceberylin:
Hustlers everywhere


Pictures biko...

[quote author=grayht post=41746927][/quote]Thats seguns number. Nairalanders in Auchi can confirm this case with the details. I could post fake photos but the truth is, i dont have photographs now. but as soon as i get in touch with Segun i might or could get this information...

Thats seguns number. Nairalanders in Auchi can confirm this case with the details. I could post fake photos but the truth is, i dont have photograph. but as soon as i get in touch with Segun might or could this information.

Its not a scam... like i sad i Segun doesnt even know that i am doing this. But will contact him and tell him about my efforts so he can be a part of the campaign, and probably get photographs.