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chrisley024:
Sell Depay and get that Traore. He made no error on the pitch.

That boy is good. Pace, power, stamina.

Middlesbrough though on chances created should have won the match but the kain bus wey dey park for Emirates eh Anyways karanka was mentored by Mourinho himself

SIRcumalot:
How today go be?
We need to build some momentum going into that Chelsea and we also need to rest some of our guys.

we just need a win today, the squad will be heavily rotated so I don't expect us to run over fenerbache.

Timothy Fosu-Mensah extends contract to 2020 with the option of another year after expiration.

"I am delighted to have signed a new contract here at Manchester United," Fosu-Mensah told the club's official website.
"I have enjoyed every minute since I joined this great club and I want to continue the progress that I feel I have made so far.
"I am learning every day from the manager and the coaching staff. I appreciate the trust that the club has in me and I want to repay that with my performances on the pitch."

Jose Mourinho

"I am pleased that he has signed a new contract and I am delighted at the progress he has made so far.
"It is clear to see that he is learning every day in training and there will be plenty of opportunities for him as the season continues."

Congrats to him.

I expect miki and Shaw to play against fenerbache on Thursday. Miki in particular should be in our first eleven by now if not that injuries and fitness problems have derailed him this season. For me he should start against Chelsea on Sunday.


Pogba and ibrahimovic should be on the bench on Thursday, and Rashford should get another crack at the number 9 position.



Jones no dey come back from injury ni

elampiro:
That angle should not be hard for a great scorer like Zlatan. He got the height, he got the power, etc. May be his confidence is crashing. Give that chance to short Messi, it would look the most easy thing in life. Messi, Bale, Ronaldo, Suarez would have made the keeper useless or made to make a make a miraculous save.

You guys are making it seem like the likes of Messi, cr7 or Bale haven't missed worst chances than that. Although you are right about Zlatan's confidence in front of goal, which is why the other players need to step up and score goals in other to ease the pressure on him.

Pogba don chop am from fans on Twitter.


But the problem still persists, where best to play the man. My opinion, I think he should remain in midfield as a b2b. Mata or miki (if he can finally get to full fitness) should play behind ibrahimovic.


Also I feel Rashford is wasting on the wings, either he plays as a striker or behind the striker.

I don't get why certain folks here crave for certain people's opinion on certain players. It's becoming annoying to see such stuff here. You know the player is good, the whole footballing world know the player is good so why the f'ck is a single person's opinion more important than your own or that of the footballing world even when you know that the said person have a seething hatred for the player? This I greatly do not understand.




Anyways I'm happy with the draw, yes folks here were expecting us to bulldoze Liverpool with the kind of players we have but you shouldn't be surprised by the gaffer's way of football, for him a point and not playing well is better than playing well and losing woefully. Kudos to Valencia, Fellaini, Bailey, Smalling, De gea(best signing in years, the guy that didn't fax his transfer documents to real Madrid on time should be applauded as well ) and Herrera who continues to prove doubters wrong.

Up next, Fenerbache.

elampiro:
Wazgwan with Ibrahimovic? I thought that header was a forgone conclusion but he appeared to have even defended it. Lol

He's currently off form at the moment, it happens to strikers. The problem is that we don't have goalscorers in our team even though we have players capable of putting the ball in the back of the net. This is what Mourinho should try and fix cos we can't be relying only on ibrahimovic to bang in the goals. The Leicester match showed that we can score goals from anywhere but we have to consistently do it.

codedguy1:
I said before that a draw will feel like a loss.

Oga a draw against this Liverpool team and in their home is a good result.

A nice premiere, looking forward to the next episode.

Oasis007:


I have a kinda feeling that we gonna win the Match convincingly on Monday Night! Haterz are free to save this comment.... but I hope they will be able to refer to it after the Match!

We ain't their Mate in term of Players quality! We have better Players than them - and if our Players play to their strength and ability, 3 points wouldn't be hard to grab with some beautiful Goals!

We are setting Anfield on Fire on Monday Night! Fire Fighters should be at alert!!!

football doesn't work like that. It isn't about the quality of the players on each team but each team's chemistry and style of play. Someone asked a question here during the tottenham v city game about who have the better team between united and spurs and majority of the answer was spurs, why? because even though United have superior players, spurs have a superior team chemistry and so is Liverpool. Based on current form, Liverpool is tipped to win the clash, based on the last four pl games against them, we can have a say in the matter or the match can even end in a draw. We just have to wait and see what happens.

AdisaOwala:
Incidentally, one of my friends was talking about Mourihno's habit of handpicking 12-13 outfield players & playing them till they run outta breath....only for the other players to fùck him up (since they woulda become match -rusty) when the urgent need to play them arises.

I haven't been ársed to verify his claims though....

Yeah Mourinho is known for sticking with the same players for long periods of time, same as ancelotti. That was why I was willing to overlook our crappy display against Feyenood since most of the players haven't kicked a ball prior to that game but it's shocking that against minnows like Northampton we have to rely on the likes of ibrahimovic and rashford to see the game through since the ones on the field can't play to save their lives.

AdisaOwala:
I agree with you - bar the misses, i have no complaints about the performance (against Stoke).

I would have loved a situation where we would visit Stamford Bridge beaming with confidence but Sadly, the reality is that we might not win at Anfield on Monday.

I think we would even host Fenerbahce in the EL 3 days to the Chelsea Match.Mourihno would probably have to field a relatively strong side against the Turkish club to avoid Stories that touch - dropping points at home in that competition would definitely do more harm than good.

From all indications, our manager has a lot of Squad-shuffling to do in the next 8 days.

And the worrying part is that our second eleven are unwilling to step up to the plate when needed, otherwise Mourinho shouldn't be thinking about fielding a strong squad against fenerbache when a trip to Stamford bridge is just 3 days later.

Anyways let's see what the gaffer has in store for us this month.

AdisaOwala:
Considering Liverpool's form & the Match Venue, I would gladly take a draw on Monday night....

If only we had defeated Stoke Convincingly 2 weeks ago, we wouldn't be under some kinda pressure to get back to winning ways immediately. This is why managers with title ambitions should endeavour to win Certain matches so as to ease pressure ....especially when a series of tricky fixtures are scheduled to take place after an international break.

the Stoke match wasn't the manager's fault rather it was the players' profligacy that cost us that match. On another day, we would have lost that game or won it either 1-0 or 5-0 but that's football. Just look at City today, for all their endeavors they still left the match with a point despite totally outclassing and out playing Everton(and also missing 2 penalties). Yes we need to win the so called smaller games (a point I made at the beginning of the season) in other to stand a chance of winning the league title as they make up the bulk of the league, there's no doubt in that. Had we won against Stoke pressure won't be on us like it is now.


Against Liverpool, one would expect us to win considering our squad and our recent record against them but yeah I would also take a draw at the very least.

Lincolnn2:
a win anyhow? No wahala..

But this team should be winning with swagga.

Yes they should be wining with swagger but not against this Liverpool team, barring an incredible 90 minutes of football on our side and crap on their side at anfield on Monday.

Lincolnn2:
I don't care what it will take, we've to win our match against Liverpool. And not just winning, but winning with swagga! Mourinho should understand that!

And the players too. They've got to turn up for the match.

My eyes on Pogba and Martial.



By the way, if all our players are fit, I'll prefer Rashford start on the bench, then come in the second half to give us width and pace on the flanks.

Oga you want to go to Liverpool and win with swagger? How about being content with just a win anyhow?

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Abeg adisaowala I no wan mk Pogba come be wahala between us, ultimately everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Good night!

@adisaowala it is laughable that you think "charging forward is the same as being an attacking midfielder. Make we really assess that Viera comment

“People compare us but, where I would win more tackles, Paul is more technically gifted than I ever was, and far more at ease on the ball,” said the former World Cup winner. “I’d busy myself with defensive duties, but he is only looking to charge forward. He can be one of the best in the world.”

Oga Viera don accord Pogba his due praise and to the bolded, he simply meant that while he was more interested in defending than attack, Pogba will already be looking to charge forward with the ball which is obviously his style of play.




See we are now choosing the matches that suits our arguments, here's what Jamie Redknap said about Pogba against Leicester.

“Everyone jumps on the bandwagon when Paul Pogba isn’t quite at his best because of his £89m price tag.

“He’s not Lionel Messi, he isn’t going to go around four or five players, but what he will do is run games for Manchester United.
“Don’t forget, Pogba didn’t have a pre-season and it was understandable he fell a little flat after the adrenaline rush of his debut.
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“As his touch map against Leicester shows, however, he dominated midfield and he also recorded some of his best stats in a United shirt.”

Against soton


Thierry Henry

"We can look at his stats but the one I like is 11.2km run from a guy who has been in training only for a week. What I got from talking to him was he couldn't wait. He couldn't wait to go out there. I think that's why Mourinho didn't sub him, he was enjoying it. Tonight I thought he was brilliant. I thought he had a man of the match performance - although obviously Zlatan got it by scoring two goals.
"He was everywhere. I love the fact he started to control the tempo of the game. When he had to play long, he played long. When he had to drive, he did it. He was outstanding, for me."

Jamie Redknap

"There would have been a lot of people tuning in today wondering what all the fuss was about with this guy. The dances, the dabs, the Instagram posts… But he showed he's the real deal today. His overall performance - after a week's training - was incredible. I was so impressed with his all-round game.
"Jose Mourinho mentioned how much of the ball he touched and his influence. He covered every blade of grass. Certainly on the left hand side, that's an area he liked to play. It was like men against boys in that midfield. When he gets fit and gets to that next level you can see goals, assists, and him dominating games. In terms of his first game, I'm very impressed."

This is buffon

“Just after a few training sessions, we saw how good he was.
“It cannot have been the same player they saw in Manchester – we thought they maybe needed glasses!”
“I have never seen a player who is so good at his age,” he continued.
“He is so strong, so technically gifted, has exceptional all-round play.
“Pogba can do things only Pogba can, similar to Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. United let one of the top players in the world leave but that has only been good news for us.”

So much for a luxury player whose only ability is to dab.



To the agent/contract negotiations. Again and again, the agent is responsible for negotiating a contract with the club and not the player. The club deals with the agents who can make life difficult for the club if they choose to. Again the player have a say in proceedings but ultimately the thrashing of the deal is between the agents and the club.

This is an extract from Sir Alex Ferguson's Autobiography concerning the reason Pogba left United in the first place.

"He [Raiola] and I were like oil and water," he writes in the book. "From then on our goose was cooked because Raiola had been able to ingratiate himself with Paul and his family and the player signed with Juventus."

This clearly stated that SAF dealt with Raiola and not with Pogba during the attempt to extend his contract.

elampiro:
I watched 2006 world cup. I am sure I saw all Italy's games, particularly from the knockout. That was a poor team but there were some players who made that team going. From the semi final when they were paired against the host, Italy became my favorite. I didn't like it Germany beat Argentina and I wasn't a supporter of France.

But my real focus on him was in recent years, I can't know from when exactly. May be 2010 world cup.

I think ancelotti started playing him in the dmf position during his early days at Milan. Their 2005 champions League final against Liverpool, he was played there with gattuso and seedorf partnering him in midfield.

Apparently miki is still recovering from the injury he suffered against city. The club is asking the Armenian national team to leave him in Manchester.


Another international break don come, hopefully our main guys no go chop injury because this month of October is tight for us.

AdisaOwala:
Bros - I have stated my point on three different occassions.

At this point, whatever understanding you deem fit is really not my concern..

This is you telling the world that Pogba was an attacking midfielder in Juventus whereas with the exception of his last season, he was a box to box, this I made clear to you before you started singing the midfield three anthem...

1. Bros - At Juve, Pogba was an attacking Midfielder who was licenced to Roam - his constant showboating & ability to score Spectacular goals are the major factors that contributed to his hype..not his Midfield qualities.

I used tactical/positional indiscipline & penchant for showmanship/affinity for stardom as a basis for classification.

I also outlined the fact that such a player might struggle in a 2-man midfield as against a midfield triumvirate where his attacking qualities (which are obviously his most potent assets) have been fully optimized, yet you decided to compare him to a roaming holeman who has got no defensive/positional duties..

The way you see your lord Pogba as the Messiah to our midfield problems is the same way some of us here arent convinced about our white elephant project - each person to his own.

The fact that some peeps here (even protagonists of Pogba ) are already of the opinion that more money has to be spent on that midfield to get the best outta Mr dabman speaks volumes..

You can't use tactical and positional indiscipline as the basis for terming Pogba a luxury player when he doesn't lack any of those. He has played in various positions throughout his career and has followed the instructions of coaches to the later so I can't for the life of me get the "he's a luxury player" angle of your argument since you have incorrectly used the term in this situation. Clearly with the bolded, you have a personal problem with the player, whatever that is, I have no fricking clue.

If this is your own understanding of this quote...



Then It's rather unfortunate.

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On the contrary, I made a reference to your original post about his salary...

2. As regards his transfer fee, it's easy for you to shift the blame away from the lad But you conveniently left out the fact that he is one of the highest paid Footballers in the world today - abi that one na Juve Fault too?

In which I answered you with the "what does the salary have to do with the player?" which I ended with the agent and the club negotiates the players contract that brought about the last piece of our argument. I will get to that soon. Now @ the bold, especially towards the end, you made it seem like Pogba asked for his huge salary and if not given, he won't have come. Since according to you, I have deflected the huge transfer price on his head, what about his salary then? Abi na Juventus still increase his salary, this you said. And this brought up the agent negotiations.

I reiterate - an agent cannot negotiate anything without the full blessings of the player. If the player is at odds with the contractual terms the agent has in mind, he has every right to decline and even fire him if need be.

It is the responsibility of the player's agent (who is on his payrole) to get deals that would please his employer (the player in this case) and keep his job.

I still cannot believe this attempt of yours for your Pogba not to justify his wages..

Nobody is talking about player/agent relationship here, the player cannot negotiate his salary with the club rather the agent is responsible for that, this I have been saying since the onset of this argument. The player of course will have a say in the matter but the contract negotiations are ultimately done by the club and the agent. EOD!.

AdisaOwala:
I repeat - Pogba excelled in a three man midfield where his attacking qualities were optimized fully - the French man thrives best in a Midfield system where he won't be saddled with excessive tactical/positional discipline expected from central midfielders as evidenced by his atypical showboating and penchant for shooting from long range (even when it isnt neccesarily the best option)...hence the "luxury player" tag.

If you aren't comfy with the with the honest assessment of your favorite player, too bad!]

I don't think you get the term "luxury player" well enough. Luxury players are players that don't help the team when needed, instead they believe that their talents are enough to keep them in the team. James Rodriguez is seen as a luxury player because he hardly helps his team when defending even when required to, he's not tactically disciplined and is often dragged out of position because of his I don't care attitude. The same can't be said of Pogba, who throughout the years have shown the whole world that he can help the team defend and build attacks from the midfield, even score a couple of goals. He has always played wherever his coach wants him to play without complaints, he shows the zeal and desire to play football and is always trying to push the team forward at any given time. You can't honestly come here and tag Pogba a luxury player simply because you are angry that we spent £89m on him, because I can see that you are fixated on his transfer fee and salary. Paul pogba is now a manutd player whether you accept it or not, my defense of him has nothing to do with him being my favorite player.

Nobody said that the player negotiates transfers directly with clubs. The agent is the intermediary between club and player - Nobody is disputing that.

Salary negotiation is influenced by so many factors - the perceived quality of the player in question, the financial strength of the club in need of his services, the earnings of other players etc...

Before and during negotiations, an agent is expected to consult with his client with respect to the proposed contractual terms (or demands as the case may be).

Having said that, the decision to accept and reject a contract proposal entirely rests in the hands of the player - in a nutshell, there has to be some form of agreement between the player and the agent and i dont need to state whose opinions would matter most..afterall players hire agents & not the other way round...

Ps : we are not talking about unfortunate situations like "please help me get to Europe" - that's a different kettle of fish entirely!

but you made us believe that Pogba asked for €300,000 and the club handed it over to him just like that. The agent is responsible for talking to the club and negotiating, of course the player will have a say in the matter but it ultimately rests on the bargaining powers of the agent.


In Pogba's situation, it was a cry for help which usually involves a lot of mulla.

elampiro:
Pirlo has influenced games as far back as I knew him.

As far back as you knew him when? As far back as you knew him can be 2012 or 2014

AdisaOwala:
Pogba excelled in a three man Midfield - there was always a hardworking Marchisio or Vidal alongside Pirlo to cover up for his tactical indiscipline.

Pogba is more or less a luxury player - the kind that likes to do his thing with the ball without necessarily considering the best option that would suit his teammates & Manager.

Having such a player in a 2-man Midfield could be detrimental to a team and like I said earlier, the only way he could compensate for this shortcoming would be for him to start scoring goals & creating assists.

so you don finally gree say he wasn't an attacking midfielder in Juventus until his final year at Juve. He wasn't a luxury player at Juventus, he was pivotal to success of that Juventus team, I no know if you get personal problem with Pogba or not but don't come here and bullshit him.

This is hilarious...

So the agent negotiates the salary for himself & the player accepts whatever figures offered for his services abi?

Juve is being blamed for the astronoical transfer fees while the agent is at fault for negotiating huge wages for his client.

It seems excuses for Pogba have been well prepared even before he signed for us..

The agent is responsible for negotiating the salaries of players as their own share de always dey the money. You think Pogba will just ask for €300,000 per week by himself?. The club will present the contract and the available fees involved then the agent negotiates the contract. Why do you think that some players are making less than other players despite being in a club longer than the other players and possibly playing better? It depends on the bargaining powers of your agent.

Clubs offer more money to tempt players to come and in our situation, we had no champions league football so we had to stump up mega bucks to bring Pogba to the club. The agent will now negotiate the contract with the club and then they will reach an agreement with both the player and the agent before a contract is signed.

elampiro:
May be this is what we will get from him. I don't see him as one to orchestrate the flow of a game.

he's definitely not that type of midfielder.

elampiro:
Pirlo did not start as a DM. His position went backwards as he grew older.

When did pirlo start influencing games? Is not when ancelotti decided to play him as a deep lying playmaker in Milan.

AdisaOwala:
1. Bros - At Juve, Pogba was an attacking Midfielder who was licenced to Roam - his constant showboating & ability to score Spectacular goals are the major factors that contributed to his hype..not his Midfield qualities.

Machisio & most importantly.. Pirlo ran things for Juve at the Centre of the park.

2. As regards his transfer fee, it's easy for you to shift the blame away from the lad But you conveniently left out the fact that he is one of the highest paid Footballers in the world today - abi that one na Juve Fault too?

Oga it was only during his final season, after both vidal and pirlo left the club that he was moved forward to an advanced role, the previous years he was a box to box midfielder in the club. He was known to be a pawaful and energetic midfielder with skills and stamina, the goals were an added bonus, no be Pogba football pundits been the compare to Viera?.


His salary has nothing to do with the player, abi no be agent and club dey negotiate contract again?

elampiro:
But does he dominate midfield anywhere near Zidane did? I know he is still young, but....

We have had non goal scoring midfielders who made the difference every match - Pirlo for instance, you see him dictating how the entire 22 players in the field play. Even some not so great brought something peculiar which they were feared for.

You can't wake up and expect Pogba to dominate midfield like Zidane and moreover Zidane was an attacking midfield. I think that we should at least give Pogba time to settle down and assess him in January, we have seen how he can play when he's in the mood, the Leicester match comes to mind, we just need to see if Herrera will be able to complement him well enough as matches come thick and fast. Various people argue that he's better off when given the free role in midfield, while others argue that box to box is his happy hunting ground, it all depends on the system the gaffer plays and how he thinks Pogba will help the team best. Make we get our first eleven first before we dive into full on criticism.


Pogba is not in the mold of pirlo, pirlo is a deep lying playmaker just like Carrick. This guys are the choir masters of football and their kind of players are rare to find nowadays in football.

eph12:
That we are comparing Dele with Pogba and someone is asking for trophies won? Ozil in arsenal has more impact than most attacking midfielders in the epl but has he won the epl? No! Does he even have any personal accolades? I don't think so. Wouldn't any of the top teams want to have him in his team? Definitely yes.

If you are comparing players why won't you bring the trophies they won into the discourse? So we should just forget that Pogba won trophies in Juventus because it's Bamidele Alli that is being compared to him.


Mesut Ozil, even though he's currently at an uber useless club boasts of a la liga title and a world Cup, he's one of the best passers in the world and of course will walk into any top team in the world. Which one Bamidele Alli get? Last season, Ozil had the highest assist in the league, which one Bamidele Alli get?

elampiro:
A player of £90m should be able to bring something special to win games. Even when presented with free headers from just 10 yards, Pogba still can't hit target.

If we are going to dominate the EPL the way we used to under SAF, Mourinho will have to bring two players with ability to win games like Suarez, Neymar, Bale. Two players like that. Ibrahimovic is old and that limits what he can give. May be we have to get Martial playing every game because he is the only one who can still give some magic when things are not working.

But that's the problem, Pogba is not your typical attacking midfielder that is expected to bang in the goals every match day. Everybody de chop goals wey even near goal line, it can happen. Profligacy killed us yesterday. This is the problem I had with his price, it will eventually attract the "a £90m player should be banging in goals left/right and singlehandedly win matches" statement. We are all forgetting that this guy was not responsible for the price tag, rather it was Juventus that wanted that amount of money for him. When Pogba was in Juventus, nobody was talking about his goals but rather his midfield abilities were brought up whenever he was mentioned but now that he's in manutd, everybody expects him to score hattricks every match day even if na defense he play.


To dominate like how Ferguson did is not something that will be achieved easily by any coach. Sure we need match winners but we need a system first, Jose is trying to play a different brand of football to the one that he's known for and I expect it will take a bit of time before these players adjust well enough for it. We were very unlucky yesterday, we played well but we drew, that's football.