dowap5:

In that same logical length, you didn't realize that most northerners and middle beltans speak hausa inclusing the non hausa, but if anybidy speaks a language with similarities with igbo, you claim that perosn is igbo...logics

They speak Hausa as second languages and not as first language.
Those of them who had lost their first language to Hausa, we know them and we know the language they spoke in the past.

The Anioma, Ikwerre ,Ogba, etc. All speak Igbo dialects as mother tongue and not as second language.
Let this sink into your brain.

dowap5:


Did you even read what you were replying to ?
If you did then you are braindead.
You are not making sense at all.

Brain challenged Edo man.

So if I wear jeans, I automatically becomes an American?

Our lawyers are now British descendants because they wear those funny white wigs in court rooms?

Are you okay at all?

dowap5:


I don't know if you are aware, but in your picture the king of Asaba is wearing Benin beeds, also he is not wearing his traditional regalia, he is wearing common nigerian clothing.
You are a teenager, and educated adult can't be this dumb.
I already told you that you need to provide a video in which the king of asaba claims to be igbo ! anybody can wright anything and put someone's picture on the paper.

Bini didn't invent the beeds. They were imported by the colonial masters and all groups in Nigeria adopted it as part of their regalia.

Asagba of Asaba is a grand patron of Ohaneze Ndiigbo. What other proof of his Igbo identity do you want?
His name is Chike Edozien, his town is Ahaba( I have chosen), his praise name is Obi agu!, he speaks Igbo , and he attend Igbo meetings.

What is your problem?

As far as We keep Minorities out of Biafra, we would be fine.

favor914:
How can you differentiate between Urhobo, Itsekiri, & Ijaw, From Anioma Nation? Please leave us alone in Delta State is it by force?, Biafra beggar.

Don't be silly. This is what a prominent Itsekiri man had to say about Asaba being the capital of Delta state some time ago:
https://www.nairaland.com/2858845/prof-sagay-many-igbos-didnt#41889351

dowap5:


1) speculations without facts.
2) I am not claiming anybody migrated from anywhere. i only quoted the folklore of the people which links them to Benin.
3) A folklore should not be taken litterally, what remains is that they are conscious of being linked to Benin, and that is all !!!
4) when two peoples are speaking similar languages, either one could have borrowed words from the other one, so it is also possible that the Anioma language was copied by the igbos (in the colonial era when we had built schools and were trying to have a common language for each region for example). Onitscha was seen by the igbos as an example to follow and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the igbos of the south-east copied Onitcha's language.

1. Facts on ground is that Anioma people speak Igbo language as mother tongue and all their gods are Igbo gods too.

2. Anioma has many folklores, the Bini migration story is just one of them. There is Igbo one, and then the autochthonous one. It just happened that the Bini ones are overhyped by the people post civil war, while the other two versions are suppressed for obvious reasons.
History is a science and hence subject to rational analysis. An irrational history, expecially undocumented oral histories, is a red flag for a historical distortion. I have quoted a post to you too linking the people to Igbo. Which would rationally explain why they are Igbo speaking.

3. A folklore must pass through the crucible of rational analysis before it can be accepted. History is a science and not something you wake up and forge. A folklore of a supposedly Bini people like Igbanke living right in Edo state and Agbor whose neighbors are Bini people, waking up one day and start speaking a dialect of Igbo language as mother tongue without history of being colonized by Igbos is irrational and would be rightly questioned by any anthropologist.

4. So let me get this straight. You mean to tell me that supposedly Bini speaking ancestors of Anioma, Onitsha and Ikwerre people left Biniland as Bini speakers and formulated the Igbo language they currently speak on their journey away from Bini, which they taught the whole Igbo speaking clans in SE and as far as Isobo in Cross Rivers state who also speak a dialect of Igbo language?

Does this make sense to you?

dowap5:


you keep pretending to be blind: THE SWORD

All the rest you said is utter nonesense.

For anybody who truly wants biafra, it is people like this guy whom are preventing it from ever materializing.
You can't win if you are simultanously fighting for freedom and for bondage.

The swords were Portuguese introduced in Bini empire.
Many Igbos around copied it.

Bini copied Igbo four market days of Eke, Orie , Afor and Nkwo too.
Does that make Bini people Igbos,?

Nigeria copied the British MACE as symbol of senate , does that now make Nigerians native British?

The British copied government titles like Minister from the Romans who ruled Britain. Does that make British people Latin people?

Common sense, you lots cannot have for once.

dowap5:


What make you think you own the language they speak ? You once again assume that people should get permission from you to speak a language which you identify as close to yours ! You also assume people need your permission to bear names simmilar to yours ?
In what planet are you guys living ?

Do nigerians ask ghana permission to bear english names or to speak english ?
Why can't you guys just live and let live ?

Don't be silly.
If they came from Bini, then they were initially Bini speakers and couldn't have invented the Igbo language they are currently speaking from thin air.
Common sense dictates that they borrowed them from Igbos.

English is a colonial language, Ghanaians still have their local languages.
Ndiigbo never colonized these groups and they don't speak their Igbo dialects as second languages but as mother tongues.

They have the right to identity as anything they like, but what they don't have right to is to claim they manufactured Igbo dialects they speak from thin air, unless you are telling me they speak Igbo language in ancient Bini.

dowap5:

Even in the folklore of Onitcha, the Onitcha people claim very clearly to have migrated from Benin.
Apart from that the picture below of the Obi of Onitcha shows Onitcha's links to Benin.
We've already had this discussion, you know all this but you pretend to be dumb and blind.

What in that picture is Bini? Does Oba Bini do Ofala/Ovala? Do you know what is Ofala? Do you know how deeply rooted in Nri traditions it is?

Does the name Ezechima sound Bini to you?

Do you know how many Onichas we have scattered in Igbo land like -Shires are scattered in. England?

Develop your Edo land and stop looking towards Igbo land. Because even Igbanke in Edo state might not even be left for you, if you continue like this.

dowap5:

So you are admitting that you south-easterners are trolling, abusing and insulting other ethnic groups in order to force them to claim igbo-identity ?
Why ? What is wrong with you guys ? You claim to fight for your right to self determination while in reality you want self determination and also you want to take away other peoples right to self determination. This is the main reason biafra will never be !
Your fight is a contradiction in itself.

Edo man. No one is abusing or forcing any one to be Igbo.
On them contrary, we are angry with leeches like Wike, Amaechi and other clowns from the Bini claiming but Igbo speaking groups out there in SS are exploiting the Igbo tag when its expedient to do so.
We are hoping they drop our Igbo names and language and revert to Bini ones. We are pushing them towards Bini.

Biafra will be. And it will be a fully homogeneous Igbo republic made up of proudly Igbo speaking towns and clans .Know this and know peace.

dowap5:


I am an Anioma from the Obaseki family, my great-grand father was chief Agho Obaseki. My great-great-great grand father was the Obi of Nsukka, he sent my great-grand father to serve the Oba of Benin in the imperial palace, that is why my grand father chief Agho Obaseki grew up in the imperial palace alongside the future Emperor Ovonramwen. Chief Agho Obaseki and Oba Ovonramwen were childhood friends.

And you are right, I am Edo, indeed all Anioma are Edo. But Edo doesn't mean "from Edo-state". Edo means citizen of Benin empire.
Edo-state was created in the 1990's out of Bendel-state and the name Edo comes from the Edo people (Benin empire people).

I wouldn't expect a guy from the south-east to have a clue of what i am talking about. You guys just think that your "majority" status grants you the magical powers to know us better than we know ourselves.

Stop blabbing rubbish Edo man.

May be you can go to Onicha Ugbo and tell the Igbo King there and his people that they are Bini people.

https://www.nairaland.com/3805117/history-enu-ani-igbo-people-onicha-ugbo

Bkayy.

Anioma issue is not same as Ikwerre, so you don't need to use same hostility we use on Ikwerre on them.

Anioma is a tricky issue. The Enuani are on the whole proudly Igbo except the Issele uku and environment.
The Ika areas like Abavo, Igbodo Ekwuoma who are close to Enuani are proudly Igbos while the likes of Umunnede, Agbor , Owa (though Owa Monarchy acknowledged its NRI ancestry) are largely Igbo phobic.

Ukwuani is the worst of the Igbo phobic lots. Ndokwa is Igbophilic or atleast neutral.

Problem is that we can't just take the Igbophillic parts from Anioma because the Igbophilic ones still consider the Igbo phobic ones brothers and hence wouldn't want to leave them behind.
Its akin to how Yorubas in SW doesn't want Nigeria to disintegrate because it would mean them saying Good-bye to Kwara and Kogi forever as Arewa are not eager to release those ones to them.

We (Ndiigbo) have an Anioma problem, and it's a really tricky one. Its a pity our father's didn't solve this problem and now we are the ones who have to solve it.

But I would advise next time you try and observe silence in Anioma issues and not come down hard on them, for the sake of those proud Igbo communities in Enuani.

You must also note that unlike Ikwerre, Anioma is not an ethnic group, but rather a political association, even though the likes of Emeka Esogbue and Omu Anioma have been working fruitlessly to make it an ethnic group, the clannish nature of independent clans there will not allow for that.
So when dealing with Anioma issue, deal with it as an association made up members with varying alliances and not like an ethnic group.
For example, the Ukwuani/Ndokwa people on the majority don't subscribe to the Anioma association, they see it as plan by the Enuani and Ika to lord over them. Many of them are even opposing Anioma state creation.

dowap5:
Look, guys let us leave this discussion about Anioma like this:
1) Anioma are the only people who can determine who they are, it is not the priviledge of the south-east to tell Anioma who they are, Anioma will tell the world who they are.
2)It is my view as an Anioma that the Anioma are an ethnic group and a sub-group of the Edo people
3)It is the view of all Anioma Obis that the Anioma are an ethnic group and a sub-group of the Edo people
4)Stop redusing the Anioma to a piece of land, we are a people, we have rights ! We are not a belonging !
5)Just leave the issue, it is none of your business, Anioma monarchs will talk for Anioma.
6) Even I, an Anioma, am not entitled to speak on behalf of the Anioma, talkless of you guys in the south-east who have taken upon yourselves the right to speak on behalf of the Anioma.
7)Only Anioma monarchs can speak on behalf of the Anioma.

Now that all this is settled, perharps we can fight the fulani herdsmen now instead of planning how to attack each other ? What do you think ?

Edo man, why can't you face your Edo state? Ogini di?

ogbuefieze:

Majority of those so called Anioma people denying their Igboness are Ika people, those ones have never identified with Igbos so we don't care about them. I would be worried if the Enuani part of Anioma where the likes of Ngozi Okonjo Iweala, Ned Nwoko, JJ Okocha etc who have all proudly projected their Igboness start to deny their identity overnight. could care less about the Ika/Kwale people, those ones are more or less lost and found Benin people appropriating our culture, names and language anyway.

Well said

Keemsleek005:



I asked a question cos i didnt understand the argument then when they said the chief defence is not an ibo and madam iwela is igbo. All i asked for was clarification and nothing more. Just want to learn more.

The Western Igbos as they were known in colonial times became Midwestern Igbos post 1963 and then Bendel Igbos post 1970. They later became Delta Igbos from 1991 and was later christened Anioma by an Ohaneze Ndiigbo chieftain, Dennis Osadebay , an Asaba man.

Anioma is an acronym for the four main Igbo speaking units found in Western Igbo.

1. A= Aniocha
2. N= Ndokwa/Ukwuani
3. I= Ika
4. O= Oshimili


MA= was arbitrary added to make it sound close to an Igbo word, hence ANIO-MA. Meaning beautiful land in Igbo language.

Of the four units above. Aniocha and Oshimili , where Okonjo hail from and who are jointly called Enu-ani (Upland) are on the majority proud of their Igbo identity as they share boundary with South East.
Whereas the Ika ( where the Army chief Irabor)hail from do not share boundary with SE and have a rather intense boundary relationship with their Edo neighbors hence are neck deep in identity crisis.
The Ukwuani where Sunday Oliseh hail from have boundaries with Isoko and Urhobo people and have too much interactions with these non Igbo tribes, hence are deep in identity crisis as well.

So yes. The Igbo in South East have over time come to realize Ika and Ukwuani/Ndokwa hostile nature towards us and their Igbo denial, hence we are quick to deny them too.
But for the Enuani (where Okonjo, Jay jay Okocha, Nzeogwu, Pat Utomi) hail from, with exception of places like Issele uku, the people from this part are proud of their Igbo identity and Ndiigbo in return are quick to embrace and support them.

Which one is "Rivers man"

These minorities sef. Doesn't his ethnic group have a name?

Rivers man indeed. What about Ocean man? Streams man?

oyatz:


Most of the younger generation of Igbos online wish to avenge the defeat of Biafra with a fantasy that will recreate a new Biafra based on the old Eastern Region and even expand it to include Delta & Edo States.
They fail to accept the reality that time has changed.

Keep deceiving yourselves.

Most Igbos on and offline think and believe that minorities are but a burden we can do without.
We yearn for ethnically homogeneous Biafra where Igbo language will be a lingual franca and made up of only Igbo speaking clans.

Nope.
There WILL NEVER be any form of unity between Ndiigbo and Yorubas. Events of 1966-70 made sure of that.

Any Igbo man speaking of fighting together with Yorubas for any cause is mentally retarded and will not have my support.

Other than his idea of making Biafra a Babelian republic, one of the other reasons I'm not a fan of Nnamdi Kanu is his romance with Yorubas entities in the name of forming an alliance .
It shows how out of touch with history and mindset of an average Yoruba man, an Igbo person is, for him to suggest alliance between Ndiigbo and Yorubas.

Nigeria is like Yugoslavia republic. The Hausa-Fulani are the Serbs, Ndiigbo are the Croats. We have to fight our way out of Nigeria independently and leave other groups to do as they please.

Akwa Ibom vs Cross River dick measuring bickering is as stupid as Abia vs Anambra, or IMO vs Anambra bickering some impostors on NL lead.
Why fight among yourself when outsiders see you as one?

Nobody outside AkwaCross will ever agree there is any difference between both of you. Any bad thing that happens in Cross River is automatically seen as Akwa ibom issue, and vice versa.
All of you are as far as we outsiders are concerned are one "Calabar people". We don't see any difference. The difference only exist in your own imaginations.

You local beef is your cup of tea.You all need to grow up mbok!

kovic20:
Afonjas, good morning oh. Umu Ekwesu!

nedu666:


There is south east, south west, south south all make up southern Nigeria so i don't get this your logic

There is no Southern Nigeria. It doesn't exist.
The geopolitical zones are not even recognized by Nigerian constitution.

My logic is that there no entity called Southern Nigeria, at least as far as an Igbo man is concerned, the events of 1966-70 made sure of it.

Everyone should bear their father's surname and carry their own cross.

There is nothing like southern Nigeria. It doesn't exist, or at least Ndiigbo is not and will not part of such entity.

Privaldo1:


Onye Nkuzi, if you go down you would see where I made reference to a proverb that summed all you have said. The person I was talking to wouldn't understand any of this since he isn't Igbo, , I learnt all these a long time ago. Anyway, Iime be kanka.

Sorry nwanne.
I mistook you for identity crises suffering folks down in Rivers state.

Privaldo1:


Clown, check my original account Privaldo and see me even demonizing Igbos as far back as 2018 before someone talked sense into me on this forum. I am a full blooded son of Umeto, Ubukwu, Ozuzu, Etche and a proud descendant of Amadioha Ozuzu, and there is nothing you or any other person can do about it. I even learnt this week from my mother that Ikwerre are not Igbos and are of bini descent that's why I didnt talk of them. In my place we say "Kanka" as thank you while Igbos from SE say "Da'alu", so stop being foolish some of us just want to learn.

You are not well exposed. How can you be comparing the entire SE of 90 plus LGA with Etche of just 2 LGAs( Etche and Omuma) ?

SE isn't a homogeneous zone. We are made of different Igbo clans and each clan have their own way of greeting.

Ngwa people greet " Maazi", Bende people greet "Jokwa", Okigwe and environment greet " Awuna/Awulaa", Nkanu greet "Deeyo", Anambra central use " Daalu", Ezza use " Tokwehu", Aro say "Mma mma" etc.

There are like tens of other specific greetings depending on part of SE one comes from.

So when an Etche man from 2 LGA ethnic group suffering from identity crises decides to group all Igbo groups in SE together and start comparing us with his new 2 LGA ethnic group, it can get annoying.

Juliusmalema:


Feb 10 2021 and this is your achievement.

What is is Anioma and what is Igbo

What is Keshi and what is kala.

Losing sleep over something that won't bring food to your table.

Humans are distinct in nature and you should be more concerned about yourself and your immediate community.

This Edo man. Why are you always pained when an Igbo discuss about Igboids in SS?

Who are you to tell people what to discuss about?

AlexBells:

Thanks a lot, I only have little reservations on the language side and the country name, Igbo language will be the Official language while Eglish becomes the formal language, because English will be the language of international relationships and to bring higher forex English will continue to be the base of our Nollywood but Within Igbo land, Igbo language will be the official language and the language of instructions in school, also if we are going for a homogenous Igbo we won't go for Biafra as a name, maybe Igbo Republic.

The name Igbo is more popular, Besides Biafra has an attachment and stigma attached to it, Biafra has betrayal and blood all over it, Remember that Anioma was not in Biafra and we are not leaving them Behind same as Ezza in Benue, we will conduct a Referendum for Ikwerre if they want to join Igbo Republic or not...

But now we are in Nigeria let's keep experimenting with Igbo provinve of Nigeria, if Nigeria ever breaks we make our choices. If Ikwerre Join us, we will alresdy have two standard international airports and we can dredge River Niger and River Imo as a country. Not minding that Igwocha will still give us access to the sea.

Should Ikwerre refuse to join us, we fence them off so that we won't need to use their oil or airport and they won't also have to use our facilities, as for their oil, we can still drill it from nearby Igboland and I don't see them staying together with Ijaws and if they become their own country they can only dream of a one airport, one university etc so the option is for them.

So we lack nothing but being a province in Nigeria is also great becuase it saves us billions of dollars on security and more also it offers us a bigger market without going through immigration.

Let us work together to make Igbo Province work, whether Nigeria or Biafra the only thing that can stop Igbo Province is the Republic of AlaIgbo so let's work together Umunnem.

Someone once suggested Ikenga republic as the right name to replace Biafra, which would be an exclusively Igbo speaking republic, comprising willing Igbo speaking groups in Aniocha/Oshimili, Including Obiigbo, Isobo, and Ezza communities in Benue state.

There is no security Nigeria can provide to anyone. In fact being part of Nigeria is a security risk. Look at the state sponsored Herdsmen menace.
The big market part sounds good, but its not sustainable looking at the way Igbo businesses and investments are being attacked at the slightest provocation outside Igbo land.
Abandoned property by the minorities in SS should serve as a taste of what awaits Igbo investments in non Igbo parts of Nigeria, if we don't establish an independent Igbo country capable of unleashing war( physical and economic) on any one who tries to do such in the future.
Emphasis should be on investing home , make home so attractive that the whole world would come to Igbo land to do business with us. Investing in Igbo phobic hostile non Igbo parts of Nigeria is not a sustainable model.

Ikwerres should not be in the equation. They are not Igbos and would only serve as a weak link for our enemies to exploit against us.
Ikwerre has no direct access to Atlantic, except through rivers running through minorities territories. We already have this option with the IMO river that opens into Atlantic through Obuaku Ndoki in Abia state.
There is really nothing Ikwerre has to offer us.
Please keep them out of this conversation.

Biafrannuke:
The op of the thread is the same clown as pazienza. We have gone beyond this stage. focus on your audio station (no pun intended)

Another Ipobian who wants to eat the faeces of minorities and gulp it down by drinking their urine too.
Ndi ubulu eke! Iberiberism.

There will be no multiethnic Biafra. Go and mark it somewhere. It will be fully resisted by REAL Igbos.
We can't suffer from Nigeria finish only to be burdened with Babelian minorities in a new country because some of you are incapable of logical and analytical thinking.

And by the way. I'm not OP. I'm one and only me. One the earliest Igbo nationalists on this platform. Jekwa juo ese.

AlexBells:

Thanks a lot, I only have little reservations on the language side and the country name, Igbo language will be the Official language while Eglish becomes the formal language, because English will be the language of international relationships and to bring higher forex English will continue to be the base of our Nollywood but Within Igbo land, Igbo language will be the official language and the language of instructions in school, also if we are going for a homogenous Igbo we won't go for Biafra as a name, maybe Igbo Republic.

The name Igbo is more popular, Besides Biafra has an attachment and stigma attached to it, Biafra has betrayal and blood all over it, Remember that Anioma was not in Biafra and we are not leaving them Behind same as Ezza in Benue, we will conduct a Referendum for Ikwerre if they want to join Igbo Republic or not...

But now we are in Nigeria let's keep experimenting with Igbo provinve of Nigeria, if Nigeria ever breaks we make our choices. If Ikwerre Join us, we will alresdy have two standard international airports and we can dredge River Niger and River Imo as a country. Not minding that Igwocha will still give us access to the sea.

Should Ikwerre refuse to join us, we fence them off so that we won't need to use their oil or airport and they won't also have to use our facilities, as for their oil, we can still drill it from nearby Igboland and I don't see them staying together with Ijaws and if they become their own country they can only dream of a one airport, one university etc so the option is for them.

So we lack nothing but being a province in Nigeria is also great becuase it saves us billions of dollars on security and more also it offers us a bigger market without going through immigration.

Let us work together to make Igbo Province work, whether Nigeria or Biafra the only thing that can stop Igbo Province is the Republic of AlaIgbo so let's work together Umunnem.

Nwanne forget Nigeria, Nigeria is irredeemable.
Our cultural and economic life outlook is totally divergent from those of Yoruba, North and Minorities.
No form of arrangement within Nigeria will work for Ndiigbo except total separation from these alien groups.

I only agree to have an autonomous Igbo region with Nigeria only as preliminary measure and step towards achieving total separation in the nearest future.
This has also been my suggestion. That Biafra fighting groups like IPOB and MASSOB should morph into one political party in Nigeria and then push for political and economic autonomy of Igbo land within Nigeria, like Catalonia has done in Spain. This autonomous Igbo region will then in the future push for total separation from Nigeria, like Catalonia is doing in Spain too.

Autonomy of Igbo within Nigeria federation should be a viable stop gap measure towards achieving total separation from Nigeria that Ndiigbo should explore, and never as the end point.

“Today, I want all South-South and South-East to remember this, that we’ve two Judas. Let me confess to you, we held a meeting before the elections on Saturday, and we said as people from this part of the country, we must standby our brother.
Some APC leaders bought into the idea. And that was why with all the money Amaechi throw around, we still gave our brother almost 1.5million votes.
Amaechi is the only betrayer that raised his ugly head to say we rigged elections. When he knows it’s obvious that you and I gave our best to our brother.
In Edo state,the governor only complained of Army that was deployed in his residence. He never said the elections should be cancelled.
IMO state the same thing. But it is only Amaechi that stood like Judah to tell Jega to cancel elections in rivers state.
We heard he has gone to Abuja, trying to persuade Jega to change the returning official here.
In fact, let him tell Jega to come down to conduct the election himself. Amechi, Jega,and Buhari will still fail. We have taken over the Senate and the state house,we are left with the governorship, and with you again,we will get 2million votes to silent Amechi for once.
We will treat him like a betrayer, and call him a stranger in his own house. He is coming to beg us, to let go. When he has succeeded in using Rivers Rtate money to fund his Fulani friends.
Amaechi, eyes will see hell the highest they can give to him is Secretary. And after 8 years, he will return home and become irrelevant. Trust the Hausa people,they will soon betray him just the way he betrayed the south south struggle.
I was told he is paying some thugs so that elections will be cancelled in Rivers State,in order for them to come back and conduct it after GMB is sworn in.
If they try it, they should just carve Rivers State out of Nigeria map. I will lead a war against them like Ojukwu. Am not joking, I know am on air,and I am warning them now.
Any attempt to rob us the way they rob our brother (GEJ) the battle will start from rivers state.
We will remain opposition state like Lagos. In fact we from the south south and south east we remain in PDP. We leave the south west and north to run APC.
That is how they tactically shared the country. And we will not allow them use our resources to develop their States..
I am urging you all to come out April 11th to do it again. We will be at the field to defend our votes,and revenge for our brother.
THANK YOU.” [/b].
www.sayelbatimes.com/i-will-lead-a-war-against-them-like-ojukwu-am-not-joking-wike/