Ekealterego:

Odogwu!! We are sorry for this grave error. Biko, one bottle for you to step down.

Correct guy.

I wasn't sadly invited to this party. But to hell with that. I'm not only inviting myself, but I'm taking the high table.

Emm OP. Kedu ebe orji m di?

Abia state cannot even pay normal civil servants. How can they pay regional security agents?

Umahi is a joker. He is only telling his caliphate masters what they want to hear.

ijawcitizen:


Pazienza
Is this man an igbo or Igala?

Look at his name nah .
He has been fully assimilated as Igbo.

If for any reason he still likes Igala. He can migrate back to Iddah.

Bialegend:

People of Uga speak same dialect as those of Akokwa and slightly same as those from Aro NdiIzuogu. Their dialect has nothing in common with people of Njaba, Isu, Amiri, Umuaka, Okw'udo and others.

If an Uga person speaks his dialect in Idemili, we will label him "Onye IMO" immediately.
If you are honest, you will agree those people in Nnewi south LGA are more or less of same stock as people in IMO. There is even a town called "Ebenato" there. "Ato" we know is IMO dialects cluster way of saying "Ito" which is three in English.
Uga speak like Akokwa and Arondizuogu people, who speak like their Okigwe neighbours.
Either way, the whole language sound "Imoish" and not quintessential "Anambra dialects" used in Idemii-Njikoka-Dunukofia-Anaocha-Oyi-Onitsha cluster where "fa" and not "ha" is used.

For example. "Leave this place" in central Anambra is " si ebea puo".

In Owerre Ezukalla, Ogbunka, Umunze and Nkerehi(Umuchukwu), it is "Shi kaa fuo" , and that's exactly how it is said in Isuochi and Eziama in Umunneochi.

The popular Igbo food called "Abacha" in Central Igbo is called "Ighu" in this part of Orumba south in Anambra and Umunneochi in Abia and are prepared alike.

Emlproperties:
Yes of course, but they still Ndi Aguata. Its what we call them.

There is no such thing as Ndi Aguata.

Never heard of it before.

Orumba South dialects spoken in Umunze, Owelle-ezukala, Ihie, Nkerehi(Now Umuchukwu), Ogbunka, etc. Is exactly same as that spoken in Isuochi and Eziama(Nneato) which is in Umunneochi LGA of Abia state. And both areas are contiguous geographically and are culturally same people.

Their language is quite different from what is spoken in places like Ekwulobia, Oko and their likes in Aguata.

Yes they were in old Aguata LGA of old Anambra together with Aguata and Orumba North folks, but they are culturally and language wise more related to groups in Umunneochi LGA of Abia state than to those in Aguata LGA.

oilyngbati:
Are you surprised? He’s a bonafide member of the mor.0nic IPOB. They are very good at promoting and ass.licking minorities, while denigrating major tribes in Nigeria. The major tribe hated most by these brainless clowns called Ipob is Igbo. Imagine a grown up fool like the Ikengawo spewing trash here about another Igbo group? Who needs an external enemy when you have an ipob (internet peoples of Biafra)....apologies to Ojiofor here.

You will never see him in Igbo vs Bini, Igbo vs Ijaw , Igbo vs Igala or Igbo vs Yoruba posts.

He would rather hide from such threads and major in clanish fights within Igboland, purely cowardice behavior. Agu uno is exactly what we call his type.
Imagine helping Ayegba to propagate Igala land grab in Anambra.

Alu melu.

Emlproperties:
You are wrong. It’s the same thing. What she spoke there is the tongue in Uli, Amorka and other parts of Ihiala. Maybe the spelling got you confused. It’s even the same dialect someone from Uga, Umunze in Aguata speaks. Got to the above villages and you’ll understand clearly.

Umunze are in Orumba South and not Aguata.

MASTAkiLLAh:
Amotekun kills seven fulani terrorists but its the ESN thats the problem and thats where FG sent thw military to comb forests. That shows that the FG is scared of offending the SW unlike the disunited SE... My opinion though

Amotekun killed seven fulani terrorists...
Dazzall

More like the FG consider ESN a more potent threat than Amotekun.

Ikengawo, you are pure disgrace to Igboland.

With misguided parochial folks like you,Ndiigbo don't need external enemies, you and your ilks are big enough to destroy us.

I can't believe I use to think you are a brilliant man.

nocomment9999:
Borders change overtime. For example you can take a look at maps of the Roman empire and see how its borders kept changing over time. Don't expect to see a country named France in the era of the Roman empire, France wasn't born yet.

pazienza you need better understanding of the concept of time. It seems you don't understand even the very fondamental fact that your parents were not born old !
Or the fact that your parents have not always existed. Time changes things. So please try and grow up intellectually

Oga. The Portuguese map was an incomplete map.
They never met groups living hinterland to know the real situation of things.
Bini empire never expanded beyond Abudu hills.
Yes, its fame and influence travelled further, but the people were not under Oba command in Western Igbo. They had Ezes who went by the
Igbo title of Obi and not Enojies.

Etinosa1234:


The Benin kingdom was already growing by the time the Portuguese came... There is a reason the Portuguese sold weapons to Benin and not to the itsekiri or ijaws or the other tribes that were by the coasts and it was because they saw that the Benin were powerful hence the need to associate with them

Besides . Ewuare expanded the kingdom in the 15th century while the Portuguese started selling arms to Benin in the 16th-17th century

More like they saw expansionist tendency in Bini and decided they were better fit for the job.

pazienza:
The most powerful and influential races are two--the Aku and the Ibo. The
Akus [Footnote: This is a nickname from the national salutation, 'Aku, ku,
ku?' ('How d'ye do?')] or Egbas of Yoruba, the region behind Lagos, the
Eyeos of the old writers, so called from their chief town, 'Oyo,' are
known by their long necklaces of tattoo. They are termed the Jews of
Western Africa; they are perfect in their combination, and they poison
with a remarkable readiness. The system of Egba 'clanship' is a favourite,
sometimes an engrossing, topic for invective with the local press, who
characterise this worst species of 'trades-union,' founded upon
intimidation and something worse, as the 'Aku tyranny' and the 'Aku
Inquisition.' The national proverb speaks the national sentiment clearly
enough: '_Okàn kau lè ase ibi, ikoko li asi ìmolle bi atoju ìmolle taù, ke
atoju ibi pella, bi aba kû ara enni ni isni 'ni'_ ('A man must openly
practise the duties of kinship, even though he may privately belong to a
(secret) club; when he has attended the club he must also attend to the
duties of kinship, because when he dies his kith and kin are those who
bury him').

The Ibos, or 'Eboes' of American tales, are even more divided; still they
feel and act upon the principle 'Union is strength.' This large and savage
tribe, [b]whose headquarters are at Abo, about the head of the Nigerian
delta[/b]musters strong at Sá Leone; here they are the Swiss of the
community; the Kruboys, and further south the Kabenda-men being the
'Paddies.' It is popularly said that while the Aku will do anything for
money, the Ibo will do anything for revenge. Both races are astute in the
extreme and intelligent enough to work harm. Unhappily, their talents
rarely take the other direction. In former days they had faction-fights:
the second eastern district witnessed the last serious disturbance in
1834. Now they do battle under the shadow of the law. 'Aku constables will
not, unless in extreme cases, take up their delinquent countrymen, nor
will an Ebo constable apprehend an Ebo thief; and so on through all the
different tribes,' says the lady 'Resident of Sierra Leone.' If the
majority of the jury be Akus, they will unhesitatingly find the worst of
Aku criminals innocent, and the most innocent of whites, Ibos, or Timnis
guilty. The Government has done its best to weld all those races into one,
and has failed. Many, however, are becoming Moslems, as at Lagos, and this
change may have a happier effect by introducing the civilisation of
El-Islam.

Trial by jury has proved the reverse of a blessing to most non-English
lands; in Africa it is simply a curse. The model institution becomes here,
as in the United States, a better machine for tyranny than any tyrant,
except a free people, ever invented. The British Constitution determines
that a man shall be tried by his peers. Half a dozen of his peers at Sá
Leone may be full-blooded blacks, liberated slaves, half-reformed
fetish-worshippers, sometimes with a sneaking fondness for Shángo, the
Egba god of fire; and, if not criminals and convicts in their own country,
at best paupers clad in dishclouts and palm-oil. The excuse is that a
white jury cannot be collected among the forty or fifty eligibles in
Freetown. It is vain to 'challenge,' for other negroes will surely take
the place of those objected to. No one raises the constitutional question,
'Are these half-reclaimed savages my peers?' And if he did, Justice would
sternly reply, 'Yes.' The witnesses will forswear themselves, not, like
our 'posters,' for half a crown, but gratis, because the plaintiff or
defendant is a fellow-tribesman. The judge may be 'touched with a
tar-brush;' but, be he white as milk, he must pass judgment according to
verdict. This state of things recalls to mind the Ireland of the early
nineteenth century, when the judges were prefects armed with a penal code,


http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18506/18506-8.txt

Notice that the Igbos in Sierra Leone saw Aboh as their headquarters.
Aboh town used to play prominent role in Igbo nationalism. The balkanization of Igboland with Aboh left and rest of Anioma left in Western region in 1938 by Bernard Bourdillion, was the beginning of identity crisis in those parts of Igbo speaking regions.

Solution would be political unification of Eastern Igbo with Western Igbo.

The most powerful and influential races are two--the Aku and the Ibo. The
Akus [Footnote: This is a nickname from the national salutation, 'Aku, ku,
ku?' ('How d'ye do?')] or Egbas of Yoruba, the region behind Lagos, the
Eyeos of the old writers, so called from their chief town, 'Oyo,' are
known by their long necklaces of tattoo. They are termed the Jews of
Western Africa; they are perfect in their combination, and they poison
with a remarkable readiness. The system of Egba 'clanship' is a favourite,
sometimes an engrossing, topic for invective with the local press, who
characterise this worst species of 'trades-union,' founded upon
intimidation and something worse, as the 'Aku tyranny' and the 'Aku
Inquisition.' The national proverb speaks the national sentiment clearly
enough: '_Okàn kau lè ase ibi, ikoko li asi ìmolle bi atoju ìmolle taù, ke
atoju ibi pella, bi aba kû ara enni ni isni 'ni'_ ('A man must openly
practise the duties of kinship, even though he may privately belong to a
(secret) club; when he has attended the club he must also attend to the
duties of kinship, because when he dies his kith and kin are those who
bury him').

The Ibos, or 'Eboes' of American tales, are even more divided; still they
feel and act upon the principle 'Union is strength.' This large and savage
tribe, whose headquarters are at Abo, about the head of the Nigerian
delta, musters strong at Sá Leone; here they are the Swiss of the
community; the Kruboys, and further south the Kabenda-men being the
'Paddies.' It is popularly said that while the Aku will do anything for
money, the Ibo will do anything for revenge. Both races are astute in the
extreme and intelligent enough to work harm. Unhappily, their talents
rarely take the other direction. In former days they had faction-fights:
the second eastern district witnessed the last serious disturbance in
1834. Now they do battle under the shadow of the law. 'Aku constables will
not, unless in extreme cases, take up their delinquent countrymen, nor
will an Ebo constable apprehend an Ebo thief; and so on through all the
different tribes,' says the lady 'Resident of Sierra Leone.' If the
majority of the jury be Akus, they will unhesitatingly find the worst of
Aku criminals innocent, and the most innocent of whites, Ibos, or Timnis
guilty. The Government has done its best to weld all those races into one,
and has failed. Many, however, are becoming Moslems, as at Lagos, and this
change may have a happier effect by introducing the civilisation of
El-Islam.

Trial by jury has proved the reverse of a blessing to most non-English
lands; in Africa it is simply a curse. The model institution becomes here,
as in the United States, a better machine for tyranny than any tyrant,
except a free people, ever invented. The British Constitution determines
that a man shall be tried by his peers. Half a dozen of his peers at Sá
Leone may be full-blooded blacks, liberated slaves, half-reformed
fetish-worshippers, sometimes with a sneaking fondness for Shángo, the
Egba god of fire; and, if not criminals and convicts in their own country,
at best paupers clad in dishclouts and palm-oil. The excuse is that a
white jury cannot be collected among the forty or fifty eligibles in
Freetown. It is vain to 'challenge,' for other negroes will surely take
the place of those objected to. No one raises the constitutional question,
'Are these half-reclaimed savages my peers?' And if he did, Justice would
sternly reply, 'Yes.' The witnesses will forswear themselves, not, like
our 'posters,' for half a crown, but gratis, because the plaintiff or
defendant is a fellow-tribesman. The judge may be 'touched with a
tar-brush;' but, be he white as milk, he must pass judgment according to
verdict. This state of things recalls to mind the Ireland of the early
nineteenth century, when the judges were prefects armed with a penal code,


http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18506/18506-8.txt

adadike:
chukwu gozie gi Nna. I do learn a lot from you.
Are you saying Aboh is Igbo? Why then did they claim Benin ancestry?

Of course nwanne. Ancient Aboh kingdom was Igbo.
In fact the then King of Aboh who the whites met, by name Eze Obi Ossai told the whites that he and his people were Eboes. He also told the whites that the rest of Igbos lived across the Niger and bluffed that he was king of all Igbos. The British called Aboh Eboe town thinking it was the capital city of all Igbos.
You can read the British report of Aboh expedition here.
http://archive.org/stream/narrativeofexped01alle/narrativeofexped01alle_djvu.txt


As for why Aboh claim Bini origin. Bini was a strong kingdom thanks to Portuguese firearms they had monopoly on. Claiming relationship with Bini was a thing of pride and power for many groups around then. It offered protection from Bini and from other neighbours.

Just compare it to how some Igbos are claiming Israeli origin today, just because Israel is a strong military nation. Every minute similarities between Igbo culture and Israel is exaggerated and doctored by Igbos driving this fabrication.

Of course, they will always play down the question on why our language is not in anyway related to Israeli language.

nocomment9999:


Stop with your conspiracy theories. Obviously you don't like the fact Benin is recorded as owning the region (the region was part of Benin!) That doesn't give you the right to just make up your own stories and present them as facts.
There is no précolonial country called "igboland" !
As I keep telling you, time changes things, the word Igbo wasn't born the same day God created the earth ! So don't expect that the "Igbo people " have always existed !
Today's reality is different from yesterday's !
And for your information theses maps (I presented several of them, not just one !) were made by people of different nationalities spreading over several centuries.

To make things short: there is no precolonial country called igboland. The term "igboland" was born at a certain date in time (notice it is an anglicised expression copying England: language-land" ). Don't expect to see reference to it before it's birth. The expression "Igboland" was most likely invented by the British.

Stop stupidly attacking eye-witness accounts (extremely precise maps for that matter) only to offer your biased opinions and made up stories.

For your information: old documents are more valid to the study of history then recent documents. You seem to defend the thesis that the most recent précolonial maps are true and older ones are fake. But that is just stupidity from you. A map is just like a picture, it is just like saying your most recent pictures are true and pictures of you as a baby are false.

Also, I presented a map from 1883 which still shows Benin to be what previous maps of the region showed. 1883 is after 1839 in case you are not aware. So before invasions by the british, Benin was still a great empire.

This your argument is a bit redundant.
The map you showed was a Portuguese map who never ventured beyond the coasts and so had no real grasp of balance of power in hinterland and so assumed Bini controlled all in the hinterland.
If you look at your map, you will see that River Niger has not even been explored and mapped then. It was not until 1830 that the Lander brothers fully mapped the Niger.
So does it mean that River Niger never existed since your Portuguese map never indicated it?
The more the British explored the hinterland by interaction with involved groups and not listening to Binis, the more they got idea of real picture of things and updated the map. Your clinging unto an incomplete map made by Portuguese who never explored the hinterland but relied on accounts from those they met at the coasts is a bit desperate and hilarious .

Bini was a mushroom kingdom that the Portuguese made great by providing them with European firearms with which they used to invade and terrorize neighboring groups before the weapons proliferation happened and balance was restored with the Bini pegged back.

I know you hate the British for putting an end to Bini menace in Southern Nigeria which the Portuguese created.

No one created Igbo land. No one taught the Igbanke in Edo state how to speak their mother tongue Igboid language despite centuries of Bini imperialism and attempts at obliterating their Igboid language by Oba palace.

=ijawcitizen

Keep lying to yourself
www.vanguardngr.com/2015/11/why-we-dont-speak-igbo-at-our-meetings-ohanaeze/

“Onoh spoke at length and most people did not understand what he was saying. Every other person spoke his own dialect and at the end, nobody spoke Igbo again at Ohanaeze because none of us understood one another’s dialect,” he said.


I doubt you went through the news article you posted.
Every Igbo understand Igbo central language and not all Igbo dialects.
This is expected in every real ethnic group. Germans in Germany struggle to understand Swiss Germans, hence the use of "Hochdeutsch"( centralized German), when Germans from Swiss land and different states of German want to interact.
I liked Uyo Meyo by Teni and asked my Yoruba friend to interpret the song for. Surprisingly she couldn't, reason being that she sang it in " Ondo town" dialect and not in Central Yoruba dialect.

Ohanaeze Ndiigbo chieftain speaking there is stupid. How exactly can Igbos start speaking to each other in dialects and not central Igbo and expect to understand each other immediately? Even the English dialects spoken in different parts of England would be hard for a Londoner to understand without exposure.

When I meet Igbos outside Igboland , we converse in Central Igbo. Igbos in Onitsha, Enugu, Owerri, Aba , etc converse not in their individual dialects but in central Igbo. This is how it is for any real ethnic.

Take it easy igbo revisionist, Azikiwe stated it clearly in his biography. I have details of several interviews conducted with traditional rulers of some so called 'igbo communities' with Igala origin.

The idea of Igbo speaking towns with Igala origin is a historical fabrication. What we have are Igbo speaking towns that welcomed Igala migrants in their midsts and subsequently acculturated the Igala migrants into Igbo speaking people. Or in case of Nzam, we have indigenous Igbo speaking town that was invaded by an Igala warlord, but was later recovered back by Igbo indigenes who magnanimously integrated the Igala invaders into the town.
Zik is not a historian and the story of Onitsha being from Bini had since been reviewed and corrected by current Obi of Onitsha.

Olukunmi people in aniocha must be lying while a crooked igbo revisionist like you must be telling the truth.

Olukumi history has been recently reviewed as well. Modern story is that they were Yoruboid people(soldiers) from Owo who were part of Oba Bini imperialism campaign in Anioma. They lost the battle and refused to return to the Oba for fear of being killed. Western Igbos gave them land to live and gave them their daughters to marry. Many western Igbos also joined their settlement to swell it up.
Such is the history of humans.

Arochukwu which the igbos robbed from Ibibio in broad daylight must be of igbo origin according to your crooked and malicious igbo revisionism.

How exactly?
Arochukwu was a coalition of Igbo with non Igbo Akpa soldiers and few Ibibios. Thereafter, the non Igbos were fully assimilated by the Igbos who were the overwhelming majority of the coalition.
What revisionism is there?

This is not about assimilation of people who wandered into 'igbo territory,' what you igbos are known for is a systemic take over of other people's territory.

No such takeover happened outside Arochukwu. Arochukwu was an exception and not the rule. Ndiigbo lost few villages to the Annang and Ibibios too. There are few Ananngs who are descendants of assimilated Igbos whose lands were conquered by Annangs, especially at the borders. You see Igbo names like Okoro etc borne by such families.

Ibibio fell victim in what is now dubiously renamed Arochukwu, Ikwerre were your latest victims until they terminated the igbo strangulation and asphyxiative assimilation at 70% completion.

You obviously blabbing here. Ikwerre speaks Igbo dialect as mother tongue and regardless of what they want to be called. That will not Change. At no time did Ndiigbo conquer Ikwerre People. The case of Ikwerre is akin to the case of the popular black lady who said she feels white inside of her and that she wish to be regarded as white and not black. Of course, you have to respect her wish to be regarded as white, but that will not change the fact that her physical attributes are that of black.

So many communities in the igbo FRANCHISE today were territories of neighbouring ethnic groups.

Igbos must be super humans to make non Igbo speaking people to drop their mother language for Igbo related one. Something even super powers like France,Spain, Britain couldn't achieve.
Wow! I feel super human already!

Again, your philosophy has always been that other ethnic nationals who found their way into Igboland or whose lands were systematically claimed as igbo franchise REMAINS IGBO, while igbos who found their way into other people's territory MAKES IGBOS STAKEHOLDERS in the affairs those people.

Ndiigbo have never claimed any none Igboland before. We were not expansionism driven people which is why our land is small today relative to our population size. Arochukwu was the exception not the rule. We were never empire builders. This is why we have high population. Wars cost lives and deplete population.
If you find your way into Igbo land in the past, you MUST assimilate as Igbo or leave. Its a natural law, which is why you are required to pass IELTS before migration to UK, Canada, or Australia, and must pass French language exams or German language exams before migration to France or Germany. You don't go to a new country and keep your language intact. You must learn their language to become part of them.

Every nation on earth welcomed strangers at different points in history. Igbo land was not different.

I can't believe this crooked igbo revisionist who writes trash about Ijawland because we absorbed few igbos we BOUGHT as slaves wrote this!! Is this not the very crime of senseless revisionism you are known for on nairaland?

The Igbos in your midst are not all Slaves. Many are your over lords, like the EdiAbali dynasty who ruled you. In situation where the Igbos outnumbered you, the language of the town changed to Igbo to reflect the language of the dominant group. This is what happened to Opobo town.

There is no Ijawland. Ijaw is a conglomerate of distinct unrelated ethnic minorities with independent languages unrelated to each other. This is not same as real ethnic group having related dialects that possess a degree of difficulty for some of the outlying dialects to be fully understood by others.


Ndoki means "Ndi Oki" or "Anyi Ado ke " (what are we dragging about).
Name came about when different constituent clans that formed Ndoki decided to stop the fight amongst themselves and unite.
The biggest Ndoki clan is the "Ikwu-Orie-Ato clan and the Patriarch of the clan is a man called Nwankwo Eze aka Kwokwoeze. The chief town is Azumini( back of river). Does any of these foundational words and Names in Ndoki history sound Ijaw to you? You see how shameless you are? By relegating language as the major pointer to common ancient origin, you dubious Ijaw Franchise runners have created a loophole that will allow you to claim whatever group you want regardless of the distinct language of such group. This is why Ijaw is a FRANCHISE and not a REAL ethnic group.

This is where your crude, unrefined and densely ignorant nature becomes so clear for the world to see.

Speaking a language is not the sole criteria for being a member of an ethnic group. The concept of ethnic group has to do with ANCESTRY tied to a TERRITORY.

Ancestral lines can be fabricated and distorted. Anyone can claim anything. Some Igbos believe they are descendants of Israelis and had since created distorted ancestral stories to buttress that.
But language is the greatest marker of ancestral relationship, especially when there is no colonial force at play.
A people culture, beliefs, religion are all preserved by their language. Language is the greatest single marker of ancestral relationship when no documented history can be assessed.

An ethnic group must have a SINGLE language with each region speaking dialects of that language. Anything other than this is fraudulent. Ijaw ethnic group is fraudulent just like Hausa-Fulani ethnic group.

You left out Apoi-Ijaw in Ondo state that speaks a Yoruboid language, Kiagbodo (E.K Clarks community), Ofoni, Oduburu etc that speaks Urhobo language. I believe you also missed Kantu and Odidi in Gbaramatu that speaks Itsekiri...Do you need more references?

Apoi-Ijaw in Ondo are not speaking Ijaw because they didn't meet the land empty. They met aboriginal Yorubas there (Ilajes) who they intermarried with and their Yoruba wives taught their children Yoruba and probably invited their own Yoruba brothers to live with their husbands to provide security.
So in the end , the community maintained Ijaw origin of the Ijaw migrants, but the overwhelming population of the Ilaje women and their brothers they brought in ensured the town became Yoruba speaking because in truth they have more Yoruba make up than Ijaw make up. A DNA result will prove this.
This is same thing that happened to Kiagbodo and Ofoni.
The head of the family claim Ijaw, so the village retained Ijaw origin, but careful analysis will reveal that majority of the commoners were of Urhobo origin including the wives of the Ijaws, yet to maintain unity in the town, everyone accepts Ijaw origin of the town leader. A DNA analysis of Population of Kiagbodo and Ofoni people would show higher percentage of Urhobo ancestry than Ijaw .
When two languages and culture meet, the language and culture with greater number of people using them usually wins. Unless external force was applied to alter this natural course of events.

I bet your tiny ignorant igbo expansionist cum revisionist brain is not equipped enough to understand that these places (both native People & Land) are all tied by Ijaw ancestry, the basic ingredients that defines an ETHNIC NATIONALITY something your dubious IGBO FRANCHISE lack.

In the absence of a documented history. Ancestral stories becomes fables that can easily be doctored to reflect a people political aspirations at any given point in time.

Language however remain objective as a preserver of customs, norms, beliefs and ancestral relationship between groups of people.
I will always choose language over politically doctored origin/ancestral stories.

They all acknowledge and profess their Ijaw Ancestry, something no amount of your malicious revisionism can change.

They do so because it is politically expedient to do so.
The language being an objective measure of ancestral relationship will continue to expose them.
No matter how strong Hausa and Fulani political union in Nigeria has become over the century, no matter how they claim to be one in Islam and ways of life. Their distinct languages will also expose the union as an artificial creation.
Same is applicable to the Ijaw FRANCHISE.

The confession and self indictments of a very crooked and ignorant revisionist. Obviously, speaking igbo is the only criterion for being a member of the igbo franchise masquerading as an ethnic group, so your tiny brain dictates that it must be same for everyone else...how shallow!

Igbo is a REAL ethnic group. All clans speak dialects related to each other. That's how it works all over the world. The rule can not be broken to satisfy the need and want of fraudulent Ijaw FRANCHISE.
In Germany they have ethnic Slavs indigenous to some places there. They are Germans by nationality but not by ethnicity. An ethnic group MUST have common language.

Just so you know, MULTILINGUALISM exists somewhere in your igbo FRANCHISE, a community of Idoma ancestry currently falsely portrayed as a part of a dubious ancestrally disjointed FRANCHISE called 'Igboland' in IGBO-EZE lga.

Any Igbo speaking group in Igboland claiming non Igbo origin is propagating a fabricated story.
If there are Idomas there, then its common sense they met aboriginal Igbos on ground who assimilated them and made them to become Igbo speaking. The language of the dominant group always wins and the rest MUST assimilate.

The only Idoma people we have in South East are in Ette town in Igbo Eze Enugu. And they share the town with Igbo aboriginal of the town and with Igala migrants who live there too.
We don't claim the Idoma and Igala in Ette as Igbos.
We maintain they are migrants in Igboland .

Daum:



You just want a supremacy argument.
But if the books of history, none of your Igbo settlement can rival that of Benin.

No quote me again abeg

What supremacy battle? How can Bini that dug trenches all around them to prevent Igboid speaking Ika from invading and dismantling them now come to Issele uku to build outpost to stop Ndiigbo from moving to and from the East and West of the Niger, when ancient Igbo speaking towns exist eight in Edo state. Does it make sense to you?

Ancient Igbo speaking people had always occupied Western and Eastern sides of River Niger before the first Bini man walked the Earth.

gregyboy:



Another igbo clowm
Etinosa1234
Davidnazee
AreaFada2
Sarah20A
Valirex
Ghostwon
Edeyoung
Edopesin

See battle cry.
Bring them all, I will slay them all. I'm one man Army. Strong and original undiluted Igbo blood

Daum:



The people in Issele Uku might be igboid but the monarchy isn't. Issele Uku was established long before the era of Oba Ewuare the great. Infact, Oba Equate seeked asylum in Issele Uku royal family before he came back to Benin. Issele Uku was the only frontier established by Benin to check the influx of people from across the Niger.

They're not saying a wrong history.
Issele Uku history is very old

Does the name of Issele uku monarchy sound Bini to you?
Check which influx? You lots keep making up fantasies. No such influx was checkmated. Igbo speaking people already lived in both sides of River Niger before the first Bini man walked planet earth, that's why you still have those Igbo speaking towns in Edo state like Owariuzo, Igbanke, etc.
Bini was too busy digging trenches at Agbor border to protect themselves from Ika warriors. Who dash una passage to send frontiers in Issele uku?
Lol!

Issele uku monarchy claim to Bini ancestry is a fallacious one to make it appear grand before its Western Igbo brothers because of the Prestige Portuguese acquired firearms gave Bini those days.
There is no truth in it. Its akin to some Igbos claim to Israeli origin. None of those claims can stand the scrutiny of rational analysis.

nocomment9999:
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https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/51625/abissinorum-sive-pretiosi-joanis-imperiu-hondius

pazienza, the preciseness of this map puts your claim (of non exploration of the region by europeans) to big shame.

How is this map precise?
Can you show me Igboland on that map?

The first Igbo speaking place whites visited was Aboh, under Eze Obi Ossai reign. Before then , not much is known about Igbo hinterland.

The Binis probably told the Portuguese that they controlled the whole hinterland East of Bini which led to that ridiculous Portuguese map. But immediately the British got into the hinterland, the maps were modified to reflect reality.

Daum:



So the romans had a wall round Rome because they were scared of the Macedonians or what. Cities build defenses around themselves. The only foreign force that successfully entered Benin itself was the British....

Go all over anioma land they will tell you tales of how their medicine men were always coming to Benin. You can't compare Benin to Agbor na....the original name for what you call Agbor is Agbon.

The influence of Benin is felt all around her. All around. You see it everywhere. The reason why some people in anioma will say they are not Igbo is because of the Benin factor.

Agbor is Agbor as it pronounced.
Bini was a mushroom kingdom until it had encounter with the Portuguese who gave them firearms with which they terrorized neighbouring groups until weapons proliferation happened and they lost their advantage and were pushed back.

People in Anioma say they are not Igbo because in the past, no one was Igbo. Igbo is what we called the next town who spoke same language as us. The Nigeria experiment made us all accept we are Igbo, but Biafra war occurred just before the unity was consolidated, which resulted in Igbo speaking groups outside East central state fragmenting away from the Igbo identity.

nocomment9999:


1) In order for your comment to be valid, you would need to be an eye witness to the era which you are talking about or you would need a person of that era to be a time-traveler who travelled hundred of years in the future and then observed his generation which lived hundreds of years before made a mistake.

2) In other words your statement lacks logical validity.

3) the fact is you don't like the conclusion of the reasoning so you illogically try to shoot down the reasoning. That is irrational, men shouldn't be so emotional. Accept the facts and move on with your life.

Only you and yourself know what you are talking above.

See a colonial maps made when hinterland had been explored and groups therein well pinpointed.

nocomment9999:


Well, you offer your bias, I offer a map made by an eye witness. Which is better ?

Map was made at a time the whites who drew it had not made contact with Igboland and hinterland.
So they erroneously assumed the Binis had control of territories hinterland beyond Abudu hills.
The map quickly changed immediately they had access to hinterland and found out how limited Bini powers were.

nocomment9999:


When you speak, try and be logical. None of what you said proves any of your claims. As it stands, Olu and obi are Benin titles. The Olu of warri is a vassal to the Oba of Benin, the Obi of Iselu is a vassal to the Oba of Benin. I even read precolonial books which claimed the use of the title Obi was wide spread and even used by the ijebu.

Stop confusing presnt day observations with past reality.

Lol!

Olu is not Bini title and Obi is not Bini title too.
I don't know what you minorities benefit from these ridiculous historical distortions.

There are many Bini titles Anioma and Itsekiris use. But Olu and Obi are not one of them. Obi is Igbo derived while Olu is Yoruba derived.

Additional, usage of Bini titles by non Bini speaking people has nothing to do with them being Bini. Cultures do borrow. Today we use President, Governor, Chairman, etc as titles for leaders, yet we are not English/Americans. We simply borrowed them from them.

Our mother tongue shows that we are not English people despite the fact that we have copied their system of government, including their leadership titles and paraphernalia of office like the MACE for the Senate and all.

Neighboring Igbo speaking groups copied Bini monarchical system of government including their titles for leaders positions (which Obi is not one of them, as Obi is indigenous Igbo title) like Isama ( from Esama), Onishe/Onira( from Oliha), etc.
It doesn't make them Binis just as Nigerians are not English because we use English titles and paraphernalia of office today.

This should be common sense.

nocomment9999:

A wise man dares not to speak on behalf of his people unless his people appointed him as their spokesperson or unless he is a traditional ruler.
In your case, you were not elected by the edo to be their spokesperson, you are not an edo traditional ruler, and you are not even an Edo.
Instead you would have us believe you have magical powers to read the minds of millions of edo people and that you are sharing the product of your magical powers with us pro bono.

For your info, I am Anioma and I say: "Oba ghatokpere! Isse !"

Anioma is a political union and has no meaning outside Igbo language.
Ozanogogo is Anioma too, and they are Edoid speakers. So I'm not bothered about your allegiance to Oba Bini.

I'm a Proud Igbo man who is very much comfortable with South East!

By the way, your map is ridiculous. Bini couldn't even get past Agbor and had to dig trenches all around your Eastern frontiers to protect yourselves from the Ikas.

nocomment9999:


Actually your reasoning is faulty. There are several titles for Benin duke which are different from "enogie", Olu is one of them and Obi is one of them.
The fact is, you guys tend to try and translate Benin monarchial system into the british one which is impossible. there are some similarities (primogeniture for example), but both systems are fondamentally different. It is rather stupid to expect that since there is only one "duke" title in england therefor there must be only one in Benin empire.

Notice a Benin duke has as much authority as those you call kings (because in nigeria, you guys don't understand the meaning of words).
e.g : the Olu of warri was more powerful than the alafin of oyo.

Lol!

Don't be ignorant. Obi has nothing to do with Bini.

Obi is Igbo and has wide range of use in Igbo vocabulary. There are up to a thousand of Igbo names centred around Obi and none in Bini language.

Olu is Yoruba too. The Olu in Itsekiri is a Yoruboid imprint .

Yorubas have thousands of names centred around Olu. Olusegun Obasanjo, Olusola Saraki, etc. That's how you know Olu belongs to them and not to Bini.

ijawcitizen:


But your Ohaneze Ndigbo is already conducting their meetings in pidgin.

Ijaw is not a franchise according to your funny igbo revisionism. All Ijaw clans are linked primarily by ancestry, then culture and beliefs.

It is your igbo ethnic group that has all the traits of FRANCHISE.

We have igbos of igala origin.
igbos of Benin origin.
Igbos of Ijaw origin (Ndoki and possibly
oguta and certain communities in anioma)
Igbos of Ibibio/Annang origin
Igbos of Idoma origin
Igbos of Yoruba origin (Olukumi)
Igbos of .....

In fact, the list is endless!

Rejoice dude, you just discovered igbos of Kenyan origin Umuaja.

Ohanaeze conduct business in Igbo and English. But every Igbo man understands Igbo language.

The stories of Bini, Igala and etc founding Igbo speaking towns are fables and senseless.

The tail don't wag the dog. Sure enough, many Igala, Ijaw and Bini people in the past wandered into Igbo speaking territories in that past and were assimilated as Igbos by overwhelming indigenous Igbo population they met on ground. In same manner many Igbo migrated into Igala, Bini, Ijaw,Idoma, etc territories and were assimilated there as they lost their Igbo language to indigenous people they met there. This is what happened to many Igbos in Ijawland, Isoko , Igala, Idoma, etc.

This is the way of human history. Today many Nigerians, Arabs, Africans are migrating to Germany. When they get there, they will have to learn German language and culture and their children will become fully assimilated as ethnic Germans. It will be wrong for descendants of such migrants to come out tomorrow and start telling Germans that they founded German towns and that Germans are not a homogeneous people.
This is the case of Bini migrants in Anioma, Igala migrants in Northern Enugu and Anambra and few Ijaw and Ibibio people in Ndoki. They were assimilated and acculturated as Igbos by Igbo they met there.

Igbo is not a FRANCHISE. To be accepted as Igbo, you must speak Igbo as your first language and mother tongue.
This is not the case with Ijaw.

Ogbia, Eastern Obolo,Ibeno, Abua, Andoni, all speak Cross River language in same language grouping as Ibibio/Efik/Ananng cluster, yet Ijaw claim them.

Engenni, Epie/Atissa,Udekeme are all Edoid speakers, yet Ijaw claim them.

Opobo town, Bonny town all speak Igbo, yet Ijaw claim them.

I have never heard of an Ethnic group having people speaking diverse languages not even belonging to same language grouping.

Such fraud only happens in a Fraudulent country like Nigeria as represented by the Hausa-Fulani and Ijaw FRANCHISE.

ijawcitizen:
Igbos should go and claim Kenya o.

Kenyan village Umu-aja founded and 'ruled' by igbos.

Cc. Bonesking
Pazienza Logan23 JubrilBuhari

We don't claim anyone that doesn't speak a language we understand.
If they like let them claim to have migrated from Igbo land, once your indigenous language is not Igbo language, Ndiigbo will NEVER accept you.

We are not a FRANCHISE and we intend not to hold local meetings in Pidgin language just to accommodate a people who can't understand our language and that we can't understand theirs.

Maybe your Ijaw people should emulate Ndiigbo in this regard and stop causing problems for your neighbours.

Daum:



I don't think I have land grabbing tendencies lol...but I wish we could have some of our kind that are deep in ika land given back to us. Like the people of Oza nogogo and other towns.

All the igbanke people I know bear Edo names, yet they say they are not Benin. I just laugh and move on. You can't be bearing Osariemen and Ehiogie and not be Edo. But ask the people of Oza nogogo, they will tell you they're Benin.

Maybe if we become independent, we will have to negotiate on land with the Dein of Agbor.

As for Issele Uku, it is gone and gone. It's like a frontier that has been lost. Like Lagos that we can never get back. But we can always keep in touch with and maintain cordial relationship

Igbanke people I know all go by Igbo names mixed with Edo ones. I belong to INPA Facebook page and WhatsApp group, so I should know better.

Issele uku was never a frontier and was never a Bini territory. They were at best an Igbo speaking people who served as vassals to Bini empire in the Anioma region in the past. They were never Bini people despite all the historical distortions they churn out today. That Britain ruled Nigeria doesn't make us British people.

Ozanogogo are the only real Edo people in Anioma, and they still speak edoid language till today.
Other stories of Anioma towns who are Igbo speaking being founded by fictional Bini princes are senseless fabrications.