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LagosG:
So because of my statement, I am Muslim right? Na wa o. You're a stupid dimwit. I said Christianity justified slavery. Did I say Christianity started slavery? Mumu Empty skull

I'm curious though. What do you mean by Christianity justified slavery? If so, how come it took the full moral force of Christianity to ban slavery from the globe? Or did you forget that if not for Christianity, you'll probably be languishing away in a slaver farm? Yes, blame Christianity for a crime it was able to end - you street atheists never cease to amaze me. Oh... Just so you know, back in the day, atheists are more vocal in supporting slavery - atheists and liberals justified slavery by using the benefits it will provide the economy. It was the Christians that started a civil war in order to end slavery - NOT atheists.
Ungrateful set of people gbogbo

k4kenny:
Everything you listed above is as a direct result of Israhell hijcking our elections in 2015. According to a report in the Vanguard a year ago, Israhell has hijacked elections of over 30 countries, including Nigeria. The previous administration came and almost immediately, the our currency began to fall against the dollar. How, why? Now we can see the link between Zionist-run America and Tinubu. Isn't it funny the US practically covered up his drugs and College ish? Our president is a tool in the hands of the Zionists and they'll use him to ruin our country for their own benefit.

This matter concerns us all. A lot of people are seeing israhelli involvement in their daily lives, even the Americans are fed up; their country is in shambles, but their genocide joe is still insisting on sending an additional 14billion to Israhell.

Once Palestine is free, so will be the rest of the world by the special grace of God.

Oh... You must be a Muslim. I'm not surprised at all. After all, if you guys can believe that you need verbal revelation on how to go to the toilet (meaning that you're devoid of natural revelation that God has freely given to all mankind)) then you can believe anything from your clerics...
Your hatred against the Jews has turned into an obssession.
That's the problem I have with Muslims. They will always blame others for their errors or mistakes. Even though the Middle East is the birthplace of terrorism (thanks to Islam), you still think that the Jews are responsible for all world's problem.
So the Jews are responsible for Nigeria's problems, right?
Oh... poor Kudi, who did this to you? Please wake up and began to use the natural light that God has freely given to mankind.

panafrican:
Don't mix the wood. The problem between Africans is about African internal affairs. One cannot use it to justify or change the subject.
South Africans are killing South Africans, Nigerians are killing Nigerians in Northern Nigeria. Europeans are killing each other in Europe, this cannot justify any other crime.

Which exactly buttress my point... All race have good and bad people in them

panafrican:
So why are the Jews blaming Nazis then ?

Because, unlike you, they don't compare apples with oranges. The term 'Nazi' is the defining characteristic feature of the set of people devoted to annhilating the Jews. OTOH, the color of your skin does not determine whether you're good or evil. Do you get it now?

panafrican:
But it is too hard to find a good whithey 99.999999999% of them hate Africans.

1. Did you take a census? Or how many whites have you encountered?
2. So, the whites are bad, yet blacks are flocking in droves to live, work and study with them. The whites are bad yet they are building technologies that you use to malign them. The whites are bad yet they allow blacks to come to their country and lead them. However, here in Nigeria, some blacks are insisting that a certain group of blacks cannot rule over them because of tribal differences
3. Are the Arabs black too? The Palestinians you so much vouch for, are they blacks too? The joke is actually on you

panafrican:
Right now we are talking about the slavery that made Europeans benefit from African slaves' free labor for 400 years and become filthy rich when at the same time Africa was drained to the ground.

1. It takes two to tangle. It is called a slave trade. How on earth can you blaming those that buy slaves and completely ignore those that sell them? The European slavers are as guilty as the black slavers. If you think the entire Europe should be guilty of a crime committed a very long time ago by their encestors, then you too are as much guilty for what your ancestors did in selling slaves to the Europeans.
Or don't you get it? There are Black slave traders too!
2. Yes, let's talk about the Trans-Saharan slave trade too - unless of course, you're too ashamed to talk about it
3. Now, that we have established that all race is guilty of slavery, we now come to this question: Who are those that abolished it? It took the full moral force of the American Christians to kickstart a global campaign against slavery. The Arab world was the last to ban slavery (in fact, slavery still exists in some part of this world). So you see, even if the Europeans did not engage in slave trade, you might still end up as a slave (depending on the kind of family you were born to) to your fellow black.

panafrican:
After you nearly exterminate us by providing Peter Botha and other Apartheid gurus with t the atomic bombs !!!

No, that's just a mere propaganda. The Israeli government did not sell atomic bombs to the Apartheid. The Israeli government hardly cares about whether the regime then was apartheid - she was rather interested in countering the influence of Soviet expansionism which she sees as a threat to her existence.
In fact, many Jews such as oe Slovo, Dennis Goldberg, Albie Sachs, Arthur Chaskalson, Ruth First etc. helped the Africans in fighting the Apartheid regime.
When the governance of SA fell to the blacks, did she not recognize the black government?

panafrican:
you are blaming us for not having forgotten ? If you want Africans to forget, then show it by allowing Palestinians to have their own state, at least !

Unfortunately, the leader of the Palestinians (Hamas) are not interested in having their own state - they are interested in wiping out the Jews.

panafrican:
Who refused and is still refusing a two -state solution?

The Plaestinian leaders who are being influenced by the Arab world. Israel is not even interested in Gaza - she even offered it several times to Egypt but Egypt refused. Israel withdrew from Gaza (to the extent of uprooting and relocating her dead) in 2005. The foolish Palestinians, blinded by rage, voted in Hamas the following year. Hamas began to attack Israel unprovoked. Now, if Israel has been a country like Russia or China, she would have dropped atomic bombs on Gaza. No, instead she shored up her defences and erected a blockade just as Egypt has done. Hamas keep shooting rockets while the Israeli dome defense system keeps protecting the country - despite the huge amount of dollars spent in intercepting a rocket.
Don't forget that Israel won several lands such as Gaza, Sinai, West Bank, Golan etc. in a legitimate defensive war. When Egypt made peace with Israel, Israel returned Sinai back to Egypt and even wanted to return Gaza to Egypt as well but Egypt refused, citing security concerns.
Several and several times and over, Israel has made it clear that she is not interested in occupying the land of Gaza - yet you're here spewing nonsense about Israel rejecting a two-state solution when it was clear that it was the Palestinian leaders that were rejecting the two-state solution several times they were offered.

panafrican:
The Jews refers to their God when waging a political and military war on Palestinians , don't they ? So why can't Palestinians refer to the God they believe in ?

Israel has been involved several wars. Please kindly provide me an instance where she has been an aggressor. The Jews don't engage in unprovoked atttacks in the name of their God. They just want to be left alone.
OTOH, the Palestinians are the ones going about causing trouble everywhere. Oh, let me tall you a little about your darling Palestinians.
Do you know the atrocities they committed in Kuwait, Lebanon and Jordan? While living in Kuwait, the Palestinians colluded with Iraq to inavde their host country. Kuwait eventually defeated Iraq. The Kuwaiti government dealt with the treachery of the Palestinians by expelling them.
In Jordan, the Palestinians formed a parallel government and started killing both the military and the civillians if they refuse to give them money. This sparked a war that lasted for about 10 months where the Jordans were finally able to expel the Palestinians. As a parting gift, these Palestinians assassinated the Jordanian king (an event known as the Black September)
Now, you want to tell me that the Jordans or Kuwaiti were oppressing the Palestinians too?

Seriously, you're not helping the innocent Palestinians. The Palestinians should look inward, accept reponsibility for their terrible actions and try and change to become better. All this blind rage based on invented lies will not help them.

panafrican:
FYI: The African Cup of Nations of football ( soccer for Americans) is going on right now in Ivory Coast.
Do you know what is happening?. Teams are from Christians and Muslims African countries, some are praying to Allah , some are
praying to Jesus some are praying to Africans witches to win . Does this make the game a religious game ?
The answer is NO.

AFCON is not borne out of a religious commitment. It was not founded for religious reasons. OTOH, most of the Palestinians does not want Israel to exist for religious reasons
Take for instance, during the time West Bank was under Jordan, the Palestinians never raise a cry that the Jordanian government is apartheid. They were completely fine with the Jordanians living with them because they are their fellow Muslim Arabs. They don't hav qualms with that. They don't want the Jews to rule themselves. They believe that they are entitled to rule the Jews - and after what they suffered during the Holocaust, the Jews will rather die than succumb their nation to anyone.

panafrican:
The Nazis did not oppress the Jews then. Agreed ?

I disagree. Your asssertion does not follow from what I stated. Don't be dense

panafrican:
Not true, the land belongs to the Palestinians. As a matter of fact, France, and UK connived with Jewish leaders in 1915-1919 to steal the land from the Palestinians and give it to the Jews.

That's how they are brainwashing you. They will bombard your brain with lots of conspiracy theories so that you will always find a means to explain every historical evidence away no matter how compelling it is. A hundred years from now, don't be surprised that some will deny that the 9/11 attack ever happened - some people will come and say that it was a fabricated event used as an excuse for USA to attack Afghan.
Some people are already denying that the Holocaust ever happened (despite the fact that survivors exist till date) - they will say it's a conspiracy theory developed so that the Jews will have their own state.
In fact, people are already denying that the Oct. 7 attack ever happened. Some even said that it was the IDF that carried out the attack!
Dude, come back to reality:
The land known as Palestine has always been home to the Jews even after they were displaced by the Romans. Some Jews remained in Palestine and lved alongside several nationalities (some of them Arab Christians). Then Islam invaded Palestine and conquered Jerusalem. The Muslim Arabs subjugated the Jews and relegated them to second-class citizens (Dhimmithood) -if that's not apartheid, I don't know what else is.

The land was under the juridisction of different empires until the Ottoman empire (after it was defeated by Britain). Now, note that the Jews and Arabs have been living together before the Balfour declaration in 1917. After what happened during the Holocaust, enough is enough. The world has to carve out a Jewish state out of Palestine.The other Jews in diaspora came home - since it became clear to them that the the rest of the world will always seem them as strangers, the Europeans as well as the Arabs don't want the Jews. So what do you expect them to do? Go back to their ancestral land which is still occopied by some of the Jews. The Arabs are there, but no problem, they were willing to share. The land was partitioned by the League of nations and the nation of Israel was founded. Israel was contented with what she got but the Arab world was angry because their religious text made them believed that they are entitled to rule the Jews.
The Arab leaders asked the Arab Palestinians to vacate the land partitioned to them so that they may attack Israel - these Palestinians agreed.
The Arab nations fought against Israel and were soundly deafeated despite their numbers. After several defensive wars, Israel keep wining more lands legitimately since they were won in a defensive war.
When Egypt decided to make peace with Israel, Israel gave her Sinai. Despite the fact that the Palestinians vow to annhilate the Jewish state, Israel still left Gaza (which she had won legitimately) and even supplied Gaza with electricity and water. And how do the Palestinians, the ingrates, chose to repay Israel? of course, you know the answer.

panafrican:
Do you know that the Berber tribes in Alegria do not see themselves as Arabs? Do you know that many Egyptians don't see themselves as Arabs ?

Then why does Egypt and others identify as Arab countries? Don't you get it? That a certain population in the US don't identify as being American does not mean that the USA is not an American country!

panafrican:
On the flip side of the coin, do you know that some Black people in French West Africa were seeing themselves as French not as Africans? Do you know that in Nigeria, some people see themselves as British? they defend the English language and feel closer to a White person speaking English than to a Black Angolan speaking Portuguese .

With all your examples, did the Nigerian government identify as a British nation? Or did Niger identify as an European country? So if Egypyt can identify as an Arab country (despite being in Africa) because many of them speak Arab or chose to identify as Arab, are you saying that the Nigerian government can wake up tomorrow and idenitfy as an European country because many of her citizens have adopted European lifestyle?
You're not making sense, dude

panafrican:
A friend of mine teaching Anthropology told me one day " Panny , do you know that in Archaeology people sometimes plant evidence and put fake dates to make a case ? ". The guy was serious.
I mean

If that friend of yours told you that all the archaeological evidences that proved that the Jews have always owned the land are fake, then know that your friend is a quack anthropologist. So even if the archaeological evidences are fake, ancient historical records which were unanimous that the land has always belonged to the Jews are also fake, right? You mean the Jews have a time machine and went back in time to corrupt ancient history?
That some archaeological evidences are forged does not mean all arrchaeological evidences are forged. Paleographers are trained to sort out forged documents from the original ones - and it's not even common to encounter forged documents - since most excavations found are not only impossible to access, but they are also impossible to forge. Take for instance the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in the Cave of Qumram. No credible paleographer, archaeologist or anthropologist will ever say that they were forged - since some of these documents contain beliefs of Second Temple Judaism which are drastically different from the post-Christian Rabbinical Judaism.

panafrican:
2. If the Jews were successful in stealing Africa's glorious past in Egypt by putting in people's minds that some 5000 years ago Egyptians enslaved the Jews

Yes, that was true. It wasn't planted by the Jews. If you disagree, provide evidence

panafrican:
3. If the jews were successful in making it a crime for people to question holocaust in the US.

And where was it laid down in the American constitution that questioning the Holocaust is a crime? So you believe that the Holocaust is a hoax despite the fact that the US veterans that fought in the World War II are still alive? If Germany is not denying the Holocaust, then who are you to say that the Holocaust was invented by the Jews?
Like I said, you keep piling up conspiracy theories as though the Jews have been holding the world bondage - especially when it is clear that the Arab world is known for propaganda. Do you even know the reason why Pakistan and Afghanistan still have polio? Do you know the reason why the Northern Nigeria was the last region to eradicate polio (though I won't be surprised if polio should break out again in that region)? It is all as a result of PROPAGANDA.

panafrican:
If the Jews are successful in making the Western world believe that the Palestinians should lose lands and be kicked out of Palestine because Nazis killed Jews in Europe

You're not helping the Palestinians. The Jews won't leave that land - they will rather die to the last man while defending it. If you want to help the Palestinians, tell them to overthrow Hamas. Hamas leaders are worth billions of dollars while the masses are in abject poverty - still yet, Hamas tax the helpless citizens. Instead of building the Palestinian state to better the life the masses, Hamas is wasting billions to accrue funds in order to exterminate the Jewish - and they are distracting the Palestinians away from what they are doing to them, by diverting their attention to a land they will never possess EVEN if Israel is wiped off the map.

panafrican:
Who send NATO to Russia's doorsteps in Ukraine ? Who is provoking Russia through Finland right now Does Russia have boot on the ground in Venezuela , or Mexico ?

So, Ukraine is not free to join NATO because of Russia's paranoia, right? Do you even listen to the nonsense you're spewing? So, if Ghana joined BRICS tomorrorow, the Nigerian government is free to decimate Ghana because she feels that BRICS is provoking her by bringing their base to her doorsteps?
Okay, now that Sweden and Finland are already into the process of joining NATO (thanks to Russia attacks on Ukraine), then why has Russia refused to attack them? Of course, Russia cannot bully those two countries so she didn't do anything. The countries sharing borders with Russia know very well what Russia is capable of.
Gosh... How on earth can you even compare Russia (Russia of all countries) with the US? If Russia eventually becomes the world power, we all are in trouble. It's better for you to remove that garb of hatred from your eyes. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

Go and dust your history book and see for yourself the atrocities that have been committed by Russia (formerly known as the Soviet Union). Or why do you think Sweden and Finland are eager to join NATO, even though they didn't want to join the first place? They know very much what Russia is capable of.
Go and get your facts straight - and stop disturbing us with the tantrum 'The Jews have corrupted everything'

panafrican:
1. Saying that Black people are killing white people in South Africa is nothing but a propaganda machine at its best , one of the biggest lies of the 21st century, an attempt to connive against Africans again and attack us.

Actually, it is true... The statistics are there. Though the SA government just believe that it is as a result of dispute over land, rather than against a race. Or what about the killing of Nigerians? Or is the whites that kill Nigerians in SA too?

panafrican:
It proves that White people do not give a F ** about the crimes they have been committing against Africa over the past 600 years to say the least.

Dude, ALL RACE, including the black race is guilty of slavery. All race, at one point or the other, have been guilty of a couple of heinous crimes.
You have to accept that humans can change and become better. There are good and bad whites. There are good and bad blacks.

Also, you keep ignoring the fact that the Arabs also enslaved Africans. This slave trade, a.ka. the trans-Saharan trade, is the LONGEST slave trade, having occurred for more than 1,300 years while taking millions of Africans away from their continent to work in foreign lands in the most inhumane conditions. But you have no problem with this, why?

panafrican:
We now know why Israel sold nuclear technology to the Apartheid regime.

1. Let bygones be bygones. The Israeli goverment realized her mistake and has made the necessary corrections. Did she not eventually recognize the black government in SA? Of course, Israel did. Unfortunately, the SA keeps hunting a phantom enemy while making pact with more terrible enemies

panafrican:
2. The war in Palestine is not a war of religions, it is a war between oppressed against usurpers.

1. So you know better than the Hamas itself? Hamas made it clear that it is religious war. Of course, Islam is a political religion. Hamas does not like the idea of a Jewish state. They believe that everyone must be ruled by an Islamic government
2. Dude, just because you're stronger than your enemy does not mean that you're oppressing your enemy.
3. Alsox the Jews are not the usurpers. The land belongs to them. If you believe that they have lost rights to the land because a world power (the Romans) displaced them, mutatis mutandis, in as much as the land they are occupying was given to them by the League of Nations, then the land has become theirs.

panafrican:
The oppressors ( usurpers_) are the Israeli colonialists.

Actually, the Arabs are the colonialists. The land has always been occupied by the Jews - even majority of them were dispersed. Before the creation of the Jewish state, the Jews and Arabs have been living together in Palestine. The Arab usurpers (or opportunists) are angry that Jews were allowed to carve up a state for themselves

panafrican:
We West African have been living here for tens of centuries . Then recently Christianism came in. There are millions of Christians today in West Africa. Does this make those Christians foreigners ? Does this mean we Christians stole this land from some natives ( ourselves )?

Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot. Of course, these million Christians are not known as Jews or as Europeans or Americans.
Then you said:

panafrican:
That is why your argument about Egyptian Muslims being invaders can't hold because they are native Egyptians who converted to
Islam and they are still living on their own lands.

So if Africans converting to Christianity does not make Jewish or European or American, and the Hausas converting to Islam does not make them Arabs, can you explain why Egypt, an african country became an Arab country just because it accepted Islam?
Or when does converting to Islam mean changing race to Arab?

Of course, we knew that Egypt was invaded by the Arabs in the 7th century. During the reign of Umar, the second caliph of the Arabs, Arab armies under the leadership of Amr ibn al-As invaded and conquered Egypt in 639 AD.
So if an Hausa (or Yoruba) can convert to Islam and still remain Hausa or Igbo, how come an African in Egypt converts to Islam and automatically became an Arab?
Or what about other North African countries like Algeria, Tunisia, Sudan, Morocco?
Let's even talk aboout the killing of the South Sudan indigenes by the Arabs, shall we? Or you don't want to risk the wrath of your infernal master?

panafrican:
Just like the Palestinians who converted to Islam are still living on the lands of their ancestors. ////
Which ancestors?

panafrican:
3. Talking about archaeological findings to prove that the Jews were there before Muslims is nothing but mixing the wood.

1. Are you seriously telling us that land originally belong to the Muslims?
2. So if archaeology is lying, the ancient historians too are lying abi? So all the ancient historians that were unanimous that the land has allways belong to the Jews, were all involved in one huge conspiracy right?

panafrican:
If one follows your reasoning the Visigoths ( Western Goths) would go back from what is now Spain and France to the Danube Valley East
and grab lands out there.

1. They have already assimilated. Or where are they today?
2. So, you mean even if these Goths have no rights to demand for their land, right? Then why are the Palestininans troubling us?

panafrican:
4. Again , defending the Palestinians does not make people Muslims, the same way defending Russia against NATO's provocations does not make anyone an Orthodox Christian , a communist or a Russian agent.

Good! Now, you're licking the boot of Russia because you labor under the illusion that the enemy of my enemy will always be your friend. Blind hatred has prevented you from realizing that Russia (and other of it's likes and cronies) is FAR WORSE.

panafrican:
Take a few minutes and watch the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Nz5aoATcUr8

Really? Dude, have you forgotten that I'm a Nigerian? So according to you, Nigeria is growing abi? Nigeria's HDI is one of the worst in the world. How on earth can you even come to preach to me that Nigeria is is experiencing growth and development. Guy, most of our indices have been on decline since indepdence.
Besides, you seem to contradict yourself. You earlier claimed that the western countries created Boko Haram to destabilize Nigeria YET you want to give us the impression that Nigeria is developing by showing me flashy pictures of urban structures. Yeah, Nigerian must have been so good that it is experiencing brain drain - or wait... The US is kidnapping our bright chaps too!

panafrican:
This is fascism and colonialism at their best !
It reminds us of the Nazi regime blaming everyone who opposed them as " a communist agent ".

Stop comparing apples with oranges

panafrican:
Can you guys tell us more about how you and your Jewish friends took that land?

The land has always belonged to the Jews - indisputable archaeological and historical evidences have always made this clear. This land is the ancestral land of the Jews - the Arabs are the invaders.
While we're still at it, can you care to tell us how Egypt became an Arab country? So, you'll be completely fine with some African terrorists rising against Egypt and demanding that the Arabs leave, right? Of course not - because you're an hypocrite. When your co-religionists commit heinous crimes, rather than calling them out, you would rather keep disturbing our peace by distributing blame all around.

panafrican:
You went there with guitars and birthday cakes, right ?

Oh... Is that how the Arabs were welcomed into Egypt? What about Sudan? Abi, it is USA and Israel that took the guise of rogue Arabs, and are fomenting trouble?

panafrican:
Isn't this similar to the European settlers who said they came to Africa to civilize us? They came in with guitars and drums, with food and their Europeans practices,

Dude, what about the Arab settlers? At least the European colonizers got the decency to leave and make up for what they have done? But what has the Arab settlers done so far? You're just cherry-picking historical data to suit your narrative. Your much cherished Arabs (and yes, they gladly identify as whites too) are FAR MORE guilty of what you accused the European colonizers of. Where should I even begin to start? If I begin to open the full atrocities of what the Arab did in the East for over 4 centuries before the crusades were born...

panafrican:
Suppose this was true, why did the White man come with chains and strings to attach slaves to the slave boat decks then?
Why did they come with heavy guns?

EVERY race is guilty of slavery. Abi, Efunsetan is a white woman too? What about the Abobakus? The Arabs too were slavers - the Arabs also enslaved Africans. Muhammad owned slaves - or did you forget? The banning of slavery started in the West. In fact, it took the full moral force of Christianity to ban Christianity from the globe. You should be grateful for that - otherwise you'll probably be languishing away in a farm

panafrican:
Not long ago ( 1945- 1960 ) all our leaders who fought for independence were portrayed by the colonial power as terrorists, selfish , wannabe great people who deserved nothing but a firing squad or a rope.

Dude, we did not chase them away - they left of their own accord. Again, you keep removing the Arabs out of the equation - the Arabs were colonizers too.

panafrican:
Even today they are using gangs such as Boko Haram and all the terrorists in Mali, Burkina Faso , Chad, Niger, Cameroon to undermine the development of Africa.

That's JUST the problem with you people. You always look for someone to blame for your mistakes. Rather than owning up to an error (which is the first step in becoming better), you'll rather blame others for your own faults - no wonder you guys never grow and become better.
You mean the western countries are the ones sponsoring Boko Haram, right - a sect devoted to removing Western influence in Nigeria?
Or wait, why not South Africa? Despite the fact that SA has been killing the whites, why have the Western countries refused to send Islamic terrorists to destabilize SA?
Of course, we know the answer - the percentage of Muslims in South Africa is not enough to establish a terrorism base - unlike what we have here in Nigeria.
Even if the Western powers are to be blamed, have you ever paused to ask yourself this question: What is it about Islam that makes it a useful tool for terrorism?

panafrican:
And one can bet that when the terrorist cells are destroyed, the same White man will
use something else : Ethnic war.

If there is one thing that you Muslims are good at, it is PROPAGANDA - even the devil sef is scared. You guys can see day and call it night, by repeating and screaming that it is night. So tribalism (which is the precursor to ethnic war) was instituted by the most de-tribalized set of people in the world? The western countries must really be that powerful ooo

panafrican:
That is why they are now manipulating the Fulani in Nigeria, the very same Fulani are called
"Peulhs " in Guinea- Conakry, Senegal, Mali, Burkina Faso etc.

Yes, Usman Dan Fodio was a US puppet too. What next? The US also sponsored the Arabs to invade and attack Egypt. The US have a time machine and went back in time to help the Muslim invaders wipe out the Christian civilization in the Middle east. Abi, war among the very disciples of Muhammad (which even claimed the lives of Muhammad progeny) was also instigated by the West, abi?

panafrican:
Those folks are now saying they are "oppressed" in West Africa. They might one day ask to create a transnational state ( straddling several states ).

Dude, you don't understand how Democratic nations like the US works. When US bombed Hiroshima, why didn't the US relocate her civilians to Hiroshima and occupy it? They did something similar in Afghan - why did US not move her civilians to settle there and start multiplying like rats? Dude... The US, UK, France and many other Western democratic countries are run by government with checks and balances - this toally unlike the Arab world that is ruled by dictators and authoritarians.
An African became the president of USA. An Indian became the prime minister of UK. Can you show me a parallel in the the Arab countries

panafrican:
BTW: Israel created HAMAS to weaken Yaser Arafat's PLO.

Someone is watching too much of Jack Bauer's movies (many people often forget that conspiracies are very hard and expensive to maintain in the real world - just ask professional detectives).
Hamas is being sponsored by Iran - even the blind knows this. Not even the Iranian government denies this. Abi, Iran too is involved in that big conspiracy? How on earth will Israel establish a sect that is devoted to it's utter destruction? The very same Hamas leaders that are busy turning all nations against Israel? This your claim is just so ridiculous that I keep wondering why I am even dignifying it with a response in the first instance

panafrican:
Thanks for caring about the Palestinian masses. Can you tell Israel to stop bombing schools and hospitals?
We heard that before from colonial powers " if we leave, Africans will kill each other", they will be no state, every ethnic group will
have its own portion of the land we vacated".
OK, but where are we today? Nigeria is a country with more than 200 million people and
almost a $ 500 billion - GDP. Africa has 54 states and we are improving daily.

1. Tell Hamas to stop using these buildings as hideouts and as launching pads.
Tell the Palestinians to co-operate with the IDF and remove Hamas once and for all.
If Israel refuses to deal these terrorists, they will come back another day to kill many Jews.
No country, I repeat: no country, can take the nonsense that the Arab world is flinging at Israel. Imagine some terrorists came to kill your family and went back to hide in a school or hospital. I guess you'll just leave them, abi?
Of course not. Then why should Israel do that?

2. That a country has a high GDP does not mean her citizens are not suffering. A country can be wealthy yet her citizens languishing in poverty. Nigeria is wealthy but the wealth is not distributed - it's concentrated among few.
Also, I believe that Nigerian leaders did far more worse to her citizens than what the 'colonial' powers did.
Those 'colonial' powers left us with great and wonderful structures that could have made our lives better. But we mismanaged them.
For instance, UCH was one of the top 10 hospitals in the world! In fact, foreign students come to study in this teaching hospital.
Now, where is UCH today?
Banditry, kidnapping, terrorism etc. aren't rampant during then, now see what's happening.
Just sit down and ask yourself this question: Can we really say that Nigerian indeed became better after the 'colonial powers' left?

Greenholics:
Who is going to pay African for the trans Sahara slave trade ?

Btw the slave trade is still going on till date and it started before the Tran Atlantic slave trade.

Who is going to pay Africans ? Should I go on it should I mind my business?

Who is going to pay other African countries like Egypt and Somalis that got forced fully white washed by the Arabs ? Who is going to pay them for the genocide of their ancestors?


Who is going to compensate the Jews for the evil Muslims did to them when they “conquered “ Jerusalem by the Rashidun Caliphate under the leadership of ʿUmar ibn al-Khattāb ?

Or the atrocities and genocide done by prophet Muhammed ? Who is going to pay for that?


Should I go on or should I shut up?


When it comes to Palestine, Muslims should keep shut! They have no moral grounds to stand on! Cos they took that land with the same violence the are crying about today.

And if they are powerful enough they will not think twice before exerting sake violence on every part of the world.

Don't mind the neophyte. His moniker should read 'panarab'

Jovi10:
I've got no time for you. Do your research yourself or stay ignorant. The choice is yours . aurevoir

The shoe is on the other foot. Dude, research is not you gulping all the propaganda fed to you by your Arab slave masters. Wake up and use your head.
Ire ooo

panafrican:
The war in Gaza is NOT about Muslims versus anybody, it is about patriots versus colonialism ,.

Lol... When people make this kind of statement, I just laugh at them. Dude, Islam is a political religion - it's a religion that comes with it's own politics. Some of Palestinian lands have always been occupied by other Arab countries but there was no outcry against them. Or why do you think the Palestinians deliberately singled out Israel for 'blockading' even when the blockade made by Egypt is even more stronger?
It's about religion dude - I have seen many of my Muslim friends queuing behind the support of Palestine even though, upon asking them questions, know little to nothing about what is actually going on. They just have to do it because their religious leaders told them to do so.
Or how else can you explain our Nigerian Muslims staging a pro-palestinian protest while ignoring the on-going war against South Sudan where Arab settlers are killing the natives? Where was the rage in the Muslim world? Let Saudi Arabia invade Gaza today and displace them, do you seriously think there would be an outcry?
When Muslims cry, 'It is not a religious war!', they are only trying to play on our intelligence. Lol

Besides, who are the patriots? Hamas? You've got to be kidding. You're one of those doing Palestinians a great dis-service by refusing to point out that Hamas is their greatest enemy.
If Israel should leave her state and go elsewhere, what do you think will happen to the land? You think the land will be distributed among the Palestinian masses? Or you think Hamas will tell the Palestinians, 'Oh ye Palestinians, we have fought for your victory. The devil, Israel has been defeated. It's time for us to reward you for your forbearance. Now, let's divide this land among yourselves'?

Even if Israel vacates the land, it will still be useless to the Palestinian masses - that's why I pity them. They are suffering for nothing. Instead of rebuilding and making better lives for themselves, they are being blinded by rage based on misguided facts fed to them, and Hamas is cashing out big time on this.
Or can you explain why Hamas leaders are worth billions of dollars (not even millions) while the masses they were meant to fight for, are languishing in abject poverty? How does that make them patriots?

Jovi10:
Like I said , so many kids in here yourself inclusive.
I don't have the luxury of time to start educating you. Do some research yourself or forever remain ignorant.

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Can you do this poor kid (who happens to be a victim of bad research) a favour by pointing out where he got his facts wrong or reasoning misguided?
Perhaps, you have some secret repository of knowledge somewhere that we kids don't have access to... Can you do us a favour by pointing us to this secret repo?

Jovi10:
All this kids who don't know anything about international relations will just be discussing what they dont know.


Since after the death of hitler which country has been involved in most wars? Not Russia.
USA has has been involved in most wars since after the ww2. Usa is the only country to use nuclear weapons twice when it was not necessary killing thousands of civilians.
Usa is the reason every country who has nukes today got them. But russia and putin is your problem.

Russia ukraine war of 3 years has seen less than 1000 thousand civilian deaths, while that of Israel and Hama's of less than a year has seen over 6 thousand civilian deaths but as usual Russia and Putin is the problem.
Usa destroyed Libya till today , they can't do anything to help the suffering of Libyans but Russia and Putin is your problem.

If you see usa or NATO as saints then your brain has been washed beyond redemption.
The world was lucky that Hitler didn't have nukes. If he did by now we all will be speaking German by now.

Lets even assume Putin wants to act like hitler do you think anyone can stop him with the number of nukes he has? Or you think USA will risk their own cities and peoples destruction for another country? Dey play

The fact that what you just wrote here is filled with fallacies is perhaps the reason why "all this (sic) kids" don't want to become a adult.

1. By your reasoning, a serial killer who had killed 7 people is FAR better than a general who had killed thousands of enemies - after all, the more people you kill, the more evil you are. So the Nigerian government that sentence rapists (with 0 kills) to years of imprisonment, and honored soldiers with dozens (if not hundreds and thousands) of kills, are constituted by kids.

2. Perhaps USA/NATO are the criminals here but you must arrive at this conclusion using sound reasoning and logic based on facts. Believing in what is right for a wrong reason (e.g. believing that ostriches can't fly because they have two leg) is as bad as believing in what is wrong.

3. Since you claim to be adults, how come you aren't aware that Russia is a rip-off of the Soviet Union. Soviet Union is far more guilty of the crimes you think USA is guilty of. Or do I have to recant the atrocities of the Soviet Union? If kids are the ones reminding adults of history, the world is indeed in trouble

4. No country is perfect but some are far better than others. If USA/NATO should fall today, be rest assured that another superpower will fill in the vacuum. Do you seriously want Russia as the superpower or Iran (not that Iran has reached this stage)?
Russia that bombed Ukraine for no other reason than the fact that Ukraine wanted to NATO? Or Iran that sponsor terrorists all over the middle east(even much to the displeasure of the Iranian masses)? You should be grateful that USA is meddling in Middle East politics and trying to contain the power of Islam. If Iran should have complete control of Middle east, since it's goal is to expand Islam to the rest of the world, it will go for the next weakest target which is Africa - yes, Africa.
And nothing is likely happen given the fact that some stupid African countries hate the USA more than they love their fellow people. Or why do you think South Africa is suing Israel to ICJ and turned a blind eye to what South Sudan is facing from Arab invaders? South Africa shut down Israeli embassies but gladly welcomed an Arab warlord that has killed thousands of South Sudan?
South Africa is blinded by rage and Russia is taking advantage of this - just like Hamas leaders are taking advantage of the Palestinians' rage (even though it is artificial). Or why else would you explain why SA is licking the boots of Russia, implicitly supporting Russia's crimes against her fellow black nation? Is that what Mandela fought for?

5. Yes, USA has made some mistakes (even though the instances of the nuclear strikes by USA is completely justified - or you seriously think that Russia is as that patient and tolerant, the very Russia that won't hesitate to kill her own citizens?). Every country makes mistakes but only few admit their mistakes, take responsibility and become better for it - the USA is one of those few (though I'm getting worried by the Leftists)

6. If I go US today and become a citizen, I have a higher chance of becoming the president of USA than me being a governor in South Africa - don't even talk about Russia or the other communist countries cos they don't even rate you at all because of your skin colour.
All those countries you're cheering, are far far far worse than that USA/NATO you so much hated

tctrills:
You are right the Christian persecution of the Jews is less than 2000 years. But now let's take an in-depth look at the European Christian persecution of the Jews or Antisemitism in Europe.

Persecutions against Jews were widespread during the Crusades, beginning in 1095, when a number of communities, especially in France and the Rhineland, were massacred.

On many occasions, Jews were accused of the ritual murder of Christian children in what were called blood libels. The first known blood libel was the story of William of Norwich, whose murder sparked accusations of ritual murder and torture by the local Jews.

The Black Death which devastated Europe in the 14th century also gave rise to widespread persecution. In the face of the terrifying spread of the plague, the Jews served as scapegoats and were accused of poisoning the wells. As a result, many Jewish communities in western and central Europe were destroyed in a wave of violence between 1348 and 1350. For example, some two thousand Jews were massacred by burning in Strasbourg, in February 1349, upon a decision by the city council, before the plague had reached the city. In the German states a total of approximately 300 Jewish communities were destroyed during this period, because of Jews being killed or driven out.

In the later Middle Ages, Jews were expelled from smaller and larger regions across western Europe as well as the German lands, including monarchy-wide expulsions from England, in 1290, and France, in 1306 and 1394. The greatest expulsions of Jews were in Spain (1492) and Portugal (1496), where Jews were ordered to convert to Christianity, or to leave the country within six or eleven months, respectively.

Their residence in cities was often limited to specific areas known as ghettos. Following the Fourth Lateran Council, in 1215, Jews were also ordered to wear distinctive clothing, in some instances a circular badge. Some Jews managed to evade the humiliating requirement of wearing a badge by bribing the local authorities

In western Europe, Jews were largely limited by local monarchs, especially as a consequence of the growing fear of competition with the local merchants due to the fact that the main occupation of Jews was commerce and banking. Notable examples are the limitation of the number of Jews allowed to settle in Breslau issued by Frederick II of Prussia in 1744 and the banishment of Jews from Bohemia by the archduchess of Austria Maria Theresa, who later also stated that Jews had to pay for remaining in the country

In order to restrict the Jews from spreading throughout the Russian Empire and to protect Russian merchants from competition, the Pale of Settlement was established in 1772 by the empress of Russia Catherine II, restricting Jews to the western parts of the empire with the exception of a number of Jews who received permission to live in major cities, such as Kiev and Moscow.

By the end of the 19th century a new type of antisemitism had begun to develop in Europe, racial antisemitism. It started as a part of a broader racist world view and belief of superiority of the "white race" over other "races", while existing prejudice was supported by pseudo-scientific theories such as Social Darwinism.

The main idea of racial antisemitism, as presented by racial theorists such as Joseph Arthur de Gobineau, is that the Jews are a distinct and inferior race compared to the European nations. The emphasis was on the non-European origin and culture of the Jews, meaning they were beyond redemption even if they converted to Christianity. This modern antisemitism emphasized hatred of the Jews as a race and not only due to their Jewish religion.

Another example of modern antisemitism in Europe was the conspiracy theory of Jewish world economic domination, as presented in the hoax The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was first published in Russia in 1903 and became known outside Russia after the Russian Revolution of 1917. This theory was strengthened by the leading part Jews like the Rothschild family played in the European banking system.

The pogroms in 1881 and after the first Russian Revolution of 1905 cost thousands of Jewish lives and more than a million migrated to America. The second Russian revolution and the civil war that came afterwards sparked a new wave of pogroms against the Jews as nationalist militias and regular armies fought over the control of the country. The casualties from the pogroms were estimated in tens of thousands dead.

As you can see, I was trying to be brief, and thanks for the correction. I guess we both have learnt something today

1. I still don't see what you're trying to. Some Jews have persecuted Christians and some Christians too have persecuted the Jews - the persecution is mutual on both sides

2. Due to many factors (political correctness, mental laziness, ignorance etc.), many tend to see the Christian persecution of the Jews in the same light they see the persecution of the Jews. For this reason, they tend to think that the factors that helped in resolving the former will also help in resolving the latter - which to the utter dismay of many, has never worked. Instead of going back to the drawing board, they'd rather blame the West or some powers as to the reason why the solution that worked in the case if Christians refused to work in the case of Muslims
3. The Christian hatred or persecution of the Jews is never borne out of the scriptures. Almost all the books of the scriptures were written by Jews - and it is entirely ridiculous that these Jews will preach hatred or persecution against their own race.
Of course, the Christian persecution against the Jews (I mean the non-Christian) is not borne out of scriptures - in fact, this persecution was successful in the Middle ages where the Bible is not accessible to the Christian masses - in fact, the translation of the Bible was prohibited.
It is no coincidence that the persecution of the Jews in the name of Christianity waned after the Reformation when the Bible became more accessible to the Christian masses. You might cite the case of Hitler but don't forget that it was the nations dominated by Christians that helped in resisting Hitler wholesale massacre of the Jews (if not for their help, the Jews would have likely been wiped out from the map).
Also, the Nazis that indiscriminately killed the Jews, often resort to drugs and alcoholic drinks to dampen the effects of the guilt they felt - most of them were guilt stricken.

Now, on the other hand, the Muslim hatred of the Jews is borne out of their scriptures. Muhammad hated the Jews - in fact, he was poisoned by a Jewish woman. Muslims believe that it is their right to dominate the Jews wherever they are, and that any notion of an independent Jewish state should be destroyed.
This explains the reason why, for instance, the Hamas millitants that raped and killed the Jews on Oct. 7 were jubilating and happy, in contrast with the Nazis who became more sober in the night for what they did during the day.

To deal with the blind hatred of the Jews by Muslims, the books that are taken as scriptures by Muslims need to be reviewed. Islam needs to undergo Reformation.
That's why I laugh at people who say that the war of the Palestinians against the Jews is not a religious war. Let Egypt or any other Islamic nation come to annex Gaza or occupy, the Palestinians will just go silent. The West Bank was occupied by the Jordan government for almost 2 decades, yet there was no outcry of the 'Palestinians' against the Jordan government - in fact the Palestinians are supported the occupation. It was when Israel won the land in a defensive war, that the cry of 'occupation' began.
Many people refuse to accept the fact that Islam is a political religion - you can hardly separate politics from religion in Islam (the way you can in Christianity). For this reason, many are carried away with this idea of seeing the Arab aggression against the Jews as merely political (which I find completely laughable).

ehnukiny:
When in the last fifteen years alone, from 2008 to 2023, the Israeli occupation army killed 150,000 Palestinians (even with “preventive attacks”), of whom over 40,000 were children, global awareness of innocent civilians has soared, as it has since 1947,

1. I'm curious, where did you get that statistics from? You people carelessly throw figures about. Show us the source of your statistics

2. Be honest with yourself. What would have happened if Israel does not have the Iron dome? Have you even watched the massacre of Oct. 7? Or what makes you think Palestinian babies and women are more important than Israeli babies and women?
Also, this makes me curious, do you believe that the older you get, the less valuable your life becomes? What makes the life of a baby more valuable than that of an adult?

3. Israel is not occupying their land. Apart from the fact that she won the land fairly by victory in conquest against the Arabs, Israel withdrew her citizens from Gaza in 2005. Does that look a nation that is interested in occupying Gaza?
Did you not hear that Israel once offered Gaza to Egypt but that Egypt rejected it? Does that look like a state that is desperately trying to occupy Gaza?

4. You're not helping the Palestinians - in fact, you're their enemy if you refuse to tell them the bitter truth. Hamas leaders are worth billions of dollars while their most of their subjects are in abject poverty. Whe you're blinded by hatred, you will always be open to manipulation. This manipulative tactics is also what Nigerian politicians use to divide the masses, preventing the masses from uniting together to overthrow them. Hamas is the greater enemy here - the better you point that out to the Palestinians, the better for them to see how they are being manipulated, the more they can begin to see that they can craft a better future for themselves

5. Finally, have anyone ever paused to ask this question: If the Jews should leave their state to the Palestinians and go elsewhere, what exactly do you think is going to happen to the land? You think Hamas will just divide the land among the all the Palestinians? Or you think that all Palestinians will just spread out of Gaza to settle in the land? Dude, even if they annihilate the Jews, the land WILL STILL REMAIN USELESS to the Palestinian masses - it will only belong to a few elites (which can also spark another series of wars that can last generations).
Or do you seriously think that if Nigeria won the land of South Africa today and drove out the South Africans, you will automatically get a land in South Africa, right?

It is high time you guys told the Palestinians to look inwards and deal with their blind hatred. Even if the Jews leave (which is highly improbable), their lives won't become better

Rolings:
The main reason is an oxymoron called Christian Zionism.
Evangelicals in America believe supporting Israel is a biblical mandate. The belief is that if Christ is coming back it will be to the land of the Jews ie Israel.
Israel has to exist for Christ to come back

Everyone disregards UN resolution because of US hypocrisy.

Apart from the fact that your statement about the evangelicals is misleading (there are various views among evangelicals about eschatology), your assertion that the US is being hypocrite, testifies to the fact that you're either an hypocrite or ignorant.
The Arab world are the hypocrites here. They are far more guilty of the crimes that they are accusing Israel of. In fact, they are trying to deflect their own terrible crimes by distracting us with the 'crimes' committed by Israel in Gaza. The UN is characteristically silent on what is going on in Sudan - or are the Sudanese subhumans? What about the Kurds? Let's even come back here to Nigeria.
That the UN is characteristically silent about all these while screaming 'Jews this, Jews that', speaks volume of the hypocrisy going on among their members.
Israel just want to be left alone - is that too much to ask? Or don't they have the right to exist?

tctrills:
Hope you know that Christian Europe treated the Jews very badly. They killed and persecuted the Jews for close to 2000 years cumulating in Hitler's pogrom.
So the Christian Jewish narrative can't be right.
Finally, it was not the settlers who displaced the Palestinians but the other way round. Please can you name the Palestine villages that were displaced by the Jews before 1947?
If you do this, I would give you the list of Jewish communities displaced by the Arabs before that date.

Where did you get the idea of Christianity persecuting the Jews for close to 2000 years? Even some Jewish scholars will just laugh at what you said - for this presumes that Christianity began a wholesale persecution of the Jews the moment it was born.
What many of you keep forgetting is that the first Christians were Jews (and Jewish Christians exist till date).
It was the non-Christian Jews that started the persecution of Christians. Christianity was being persecuted by both the Jews and the Roman empire.
Christianity was a banned religion in Rome for the first 3 centuries - so where did you get the notion that Christians have always been persecuting the Jews?
The first recorded instance of the Jews being persecuted in the name of Christianity (which is not even universal) was during the Middle Ages - which by the way also targeted even some Christians.

Stop making it look as though the Jews have always been that innocent kid that Christianity have always been persecuting. The Jews (the non-believing ones) started the persecution of Christianity and this persecution continues in some forms till date (which is only rampant among few radical Jews)

ehnukiny:
Whatever cruelty and brutality is happening in Palestine,
if your heart is not saddened by it, then mourn your situation.
When you look at bloodied children, dead children, how women,
old people suffer, how doctors die, and
fists clench, and tears well up in your eyes

So what do you suggest as the solution? That Israel should fold her arms while her enemies destroy her? Or are there no children or women in Israel?
I would also like to ask, since you presume that the life of a child is more valuable than that of adults, are you insinuating that the older we get, the less valuable our lives become?

AbuAeesha:
Owes it growth rate to birth rate,even in the west?? Definitely not.
Lest you don't know,most of those that accept Islam are convert(there were previously practicing other religions)
It is just the will/covenant of God to make Islam spread throughout the world bfr the last hour.Wch no creature have the power to counter that.

even though there are enemies within and outside portraying Islam in a wrong way that doesn't mean they are right.
I hope the light of guidance finds you one day.
Bye!

1. Back your claims with statistical data. Islam grow rate in the West is majorly attributed to high birth rate and immigration. When it comes to conversion rate, those who convert to Islam are roughly equal to those who leave Islam

2. Islam being the most popular religion is not an indication that it is true. I have corrected you on that fallacy (fallacy as populism) - stop repeating it. It will eventually backfire against Islam, because it would mean that Allah was helpless during the centuries that Christianity was the most populous religion. No informed Christian will argue that Christianity is true just because Christians are the majority.
In fact, the scriptures prophesies about the great rebellion against God in the last days - we won't be surprised if Islam or atheism or some other belief systems constitute the majority.
Besides, I seriously doubt it, that Islam in its current form would dominate the Western world - even some Islamic countries (like SA) are trying to reform Islam in order to make it palatable to Western ideals

AbuAeesha:
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the western world today,there are more critics over there than you.
Little did you know that curiosity has made some pple find out the truth about Islam and their hearts find peace in Islam and today they are Muslims.
The word of God will be uplifted no matter what you do to tarnish/destroy it.
I hope the light of guidance & peace finds you one day.
Have a nice time.

Islam owes it growth rate to it's birth rate - nothing really special. Also, the fact that it is growing faster rate does not mean that it is true - that's argumentum ad populum. If truth is determined by the majority, then that means Christianity is true based on your own criteria l

aribisala0:
The Problem many of You have is you are badly \educated and totally uninformed

When Jesus was on earth

He spoke Aramaic (Syriac) The Aramaic word for God is ELAHI and was one of the last words he uttered before dying

LAH is a dialectical word meaning God in that region. And the Arabic Bible uses Allah

Al is an Arabic word meaning The
so Al lah means The God and that word is older than Islam

Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic etc. are sister Semitic languages and share lots of linguistic similarities.
Let's even pretend for the moment that Jesus used the word 'Allah', so? How does that follow that Jesus is talking about that the Muhammadan god? Pagans, before Muhammad, also believed in Allah, is that a subtle admission that Muslims worship a pagan god?

Arabic Christians believe in Allah, the Triune God. How is that the same with the barren monad proclaimed by Islam?
Concepts define words and not vice versa

Eneye4me:
U kind would have called Ur ancestors terrorists for resisting occupation.

Occupation? Is that what you guys are calling it nowadays? Where did you get the notion that the US is trying to occupy the Middle East? If the US is trying to occupy the Middle East, believe me, they would have done that a long time ago.
Your grudges against the Western world (based on misguided facts) is preventing you from seeing the bigger picture. You should be very grateful that the US is exerting some influence in the Middle East. If the US should keep quiet and retreat to herself, what do you think will happen in the Middle East?
A Muslim empire would have subjugated the whole of Middle East. Since Islam is a political religion, this empire would seek to expand it's domain, looking for softer targets. Which continent do you think this empire will go for next? Africa. Yes, Africa.

And please stop dishonouring your forefathers by comparing them with Islamic terrorists. Those terrorists you gladly defend, will gladly kill you if they ever have the opportunity. I would rather that the US remain the world super power than have a Muslim empire being the world super power

geoworldedu:
I don't pity countries or kingdoms who laid their foundations in war and rejoiced in it in the names of their gods. If you check the holy books of these two countries involved, you will see how they used the names of their supposed gods in initiating wars with neighbouring towns. Example, Jehovah will supposedly lead a Saul, Deborah or David to go and kill the infidels so called of the neighbouring lands. Allah will lead Mohammed to kill the kafirs of nearby lands, etc. They used the names of their gods to fight wars and kill human beings like themselves. One god even got angry because a king spared the king of neighbouring land and their animals instead of total annihilation. The harm they did to each other in the name of religion is irreparable and it will last forever.

You're getting your wires crossed. I can't recall a specific event in the Old Testament where God commanded Israel to go and kill people because they are 'unbelievers' or that they refused to believe in YHWH - perhaps you can humor me.
In the Bible, only two nations did God ask the Israelites to devote to utter destruction and it was never because they were infidels or kufirs - stop reading back Muhammad's agenda into the Bible.

Regarding the Canaaninte nations, it was written:

"It is NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but ON ACCOUNT OF THE WICKEDNESS of these nations, the Lord your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the Lord your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people." Deut. 9:5-6

This point was drummed into the ears of the Israelites that the reason God asked them to take possession of Canaan is because the wickedness of these Canaanites have reached full measure. Now, what was their crime? Most of you guys did not bother to investigate the crimes of these guys. These are people who believe that it is moral for them to sacrifice their children in fire, sacrifice their fellow humans to their idols, commit bestiality, homosexuality, bad sexual practices and other forms of human abuse (are you even aware of the number of venereal diseases these guys are carrying especially in a world where medicine is not developed?). These kind of nations don't exist today because the God of Israel (whom you have a personal vendetta against) has wiped them out (through various means) in the past, replacing bestial civilizations with humane civilizations until it got to a time such these civilizations were eventually gone for good.
However, at no point, EVER in the Bible, did God command that people be killed because they refused to believe or worship Him. For instance, consider passages like the following:

Give the people these orders: ‘You are about to pass through the territory of your relatives the descendants of Esau, who live in Seir. They will be afraid of you, but be very careful. Do not provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land, not even enough to put your foot on. I have given Esau the hill country of Seir as his own. You are to pay them in silver for the food you eat and the water you drink.’” [Deut. 2:4-6]

Then the Lord said to me, “Do not harass the Moabites or provoke them to war, for I will not give you any part of their land. I have given Ar to the descendants of Lot as a possession.” [Deut. 2:9]

Does this look like a campaign against infidels? In fact, God warned the Israelites that if they too will be destroyed if they repeated the evil practices of the evil civilizations they were meant to dislodge. Over the centuries, the Bible unfolds the story of how the Israelites eventually imitated these evil practices such that Israelite kings began to burn their children in fire as sacrifice to dangerous gods. Did God spare Israel? No, being impartial, He tore Israel into two and sold them off piece by piece. The YHWH of the Bible does not believe that people should be killed because they refused to believe in Him or worship Him. He had men killed for good reasons because He is the Great Judge and so far in His dealings, He has always been impartial.

Regarding the Amalekites that Saul was ordered to wipe out, we were told that the Amalekites were merciless raiders who attacked the Israeltes repeatedly in the wilderness and have always continued to do so. God ordered Saul to wipe out the Amalekites. You commended Saul for not wiping out the Amalekites. These very same Amalekites kidnapped David's men. Haman was a descendant of the Amalekites and he nearly succeeded in wiping out the Jews from the surface of the earth - thanks to God's intervention.

So, stop comparing Muhammad's raids which are meant for his own selfish agendas with the wars against evil civilizations in the OT. No prophet in the scriptures ever ordered that men be killed or punished because they reject his/her prophethood. You might hate the Christian God, but know that all this dividends of modern civilization that you enjoy was as a result of what He did in the times past rooting out evil civilizations. If not, you too would have either been a victim of human sacrifice or being a perpetrator of such evil

Jokanem:
Is God a Trinity?

Many Christian denominations teach that God is a Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”

In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:

“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.

“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.

“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.

Why do most Christian denominations say that God is a Trinity?

1. You, like many others, confuse exegetical theology with philosophical theology. There are many philosophical terminologies that Christian theologians use that are not found in the scriptures - terminologies like transcendence, immanence, First Cause, Soteriology, Pneumatology etc. are not found in the Bible but does that mean that the concepts they label are missing from the scriptures? Concepts define terminologies and not the other way round.

2. The doctrine of the Trinity is not a one verse doctrine. In fact, the Bible forces Christian theologians to articulate a doctrine that no one has ever conceived (mind you, the Holy Spirit has always the Unitarian theologians at the fringe end of the theological spectrum). Right from the Old Testament, the Bible has been introducing us to three Divine figures, YHWH, Malak YHWH (the divine messenger of the LORD who is addressed and regarded as YHWH - the pre-incarnate Christ) and the Holy Spirit.

3. None of the verses you cited up debunk the doctrine of Trinity - the even support it. Or what about where Christ was referred to as the ONLY Lord and Master (Jude 4)? Does that mean that the Father is no longer our Lord and Master? Peter said that salvation is found in no one else apart from Christ (Acts 4:12), does that mean that salvation is neither found in the Father nor in the Holy Spirit?

4. The problem with you guys is that you have a skewed understanding of what the doctrine of the Trinity is. We are not saying that God is three persons who are super-added to one another. He is not triune in the sense that James, John and Peter are three different persons.
Let me give you an analogy from Biology. Humans are multi-cellular while amoeba is uni-cellular. There trillions cells in a living human being. Is that analogous to trillions of amoebas? If you have trillions of amoebic cells, you have trillions of different amoebas or living organisms. Does that mean trillions of human cells amount to having trillions of humans? Of course not, it is the same human.

You don't count a multicellular organism the way you count a unicellular organism.

Of course , this is an analogy. God is an infinite object and is without parts - so the our own mathematics (which is mostly built on reasoning in finite objects that have parts) fails in comprehending a God who is neither finite nor with parts.

5. Finally, go and get books about the doctrine of the Trinity. Read the reason why the doctrine was very tenacious that not even the Reformation had issues with it. Stop relying on hacks who know next to nothing about this glorious doctrine. There are books who which theologically proved the doctrine of the Trinity beginning with the Old Testament. I can recommend or give you some if you wish. Stop touting the arguments that Christian theologians have killed and buried for close to 2 millennia. Even some non-Christian Jews (a la Daniel Boyarian, Alan Segal) are coming to admit that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity was firmly rooted in Second Temple Judaism (which should not be confused with the Rabbinical Judaism we know of today).

BigBrother9ja:
Trinity is a concept of greek mythology, INCORPORATED INTO CHRISTAINITY.


VERY CONFUSED PEOPLE.

Wrong. Stop touting crack theories that have been debunked times and times again. It was your the adherents of your so-called Greek mythology that had issues with doctrine of Trinity. When people like you keep touting this very kind of ridiculous assertions, it begins to make us wonder who the early church fathers were refuting in their defence of the doctrine of the Trinity? Or can you tell us why the Greek pagans are one of the fiercest enemies of the doctrine of the Trinity?

Or which part of Greek mythology corresponds with the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity?

FELLOW Citizens of Lagos State,

On Saturday, 28th, July 1979, you elected me, by 559,070 votes to 126,805, the first Executive Governor of Lagos State. Today, as a result of that election, the Chief Judge of this State, in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution of Nigeria, has invested me with the office. This is an inestimable honour of which I am very conscious. It is a call to service that I take very seriously in all humility. And I want to assure you that I shall spare no effort to justify the confidence which you, the good people of Lagos State, have demonstrably reposed in me.

God moves in a mysterious way, says William Cowper, His wonders to perform. His purposes will ripen fast, unfolding every hour.

The creation of Lagos State, like all great events, is not the achievement of one single person. The territory now known as Lagos State is the former Colony Province created by the British Administration for their own administrative convenience. Following the cession of his sovereignty to the British Crown by King Dosunmu in 1861, Eko was administered independently by a Governor of the Settlement of Lagos. Under the Commission of 19th February-1866, the Settlement of Lagos was governed by an Administrator and a Legislative Council responsible to the Governor of the West African Settlements residing in Sierra Leone. This continued until 1874. By Letters Patent dated 24th July, 1874 the territory was administered by a Lieutenant Governor subject to the Governor of the Gold Coast Colony.

Nine years later, by Letters Patent of 22nd January 1883, Lagos was administered by a Deputy Governor responsible to the Governor of the Gold coast Colony.

In 1886, Lagos was again set up as a separate colony in response to a petition by the people of Lagos who resented being governed from the Gold Coast. It was administered by a Governor of the Colony of Lagos under Letters Patent dated 13th January, 1886. This was the first time that the territory now known as Lagos State came under one administration. The administration continued under various constitution until 1954, when Lagos was separated from the rest of the Colony and constituted Federal Territory, that is to say a No-Man’s Land.

Thus, it is evident that, for 89 years from 1862 to 1951, Lagos (with or without the rest of the Colony) enjoyed a separate and distinct existence as a unit of administration with its own Governor, Deputy Governor, Lieutenant-governor, Administrator or Commissioner as the case may be. For 68 years from 1886 to 1954, the Colony of Lagos (i.e. the present Lagos State) was administered together as a unit, an inseperable whole. From 1914 to 1923 the Colony of Lagos had its own Legislative Council while the rest of Nigeria had another Council...

There will be no discrimination against anyone on the ground of political affiliation, religious belief, ethnic or state origin, sex or social status. But we can do all of these things only if all sections of the community cooperate fully with the Government they have elected...

You can read the full text of his inaugural speech in 1979 here: https://www.tvcnews.tv/2021/02/flashback-jakandes-inaugural-address-as-lagos-state-governor-in-1979/