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laudate:
Oh, do you have a problem with that phrase, because it was said twice?? I know you will still respond to this hypothetical question, because you want to have the last word..so badly. Here have the floor, again.

I have a problem with you not keeping your word. Where is your integrity, mehn?

laudate:
Did anyone say your explanations were not understood? In your bid to have the last word, you have chosen to delve into the realm of insults.

First, it was the sly dig about 'mindset', next came the phrase about 'wonky interpretation', and finally you have chosen to use the phrase 'half-assed' interpretations. Your responses are no longer related to the issue at hand, as it appears there is something else going on.

Madam, you really need to get over yourself. Here have the floor. Am out.

This is the 2nd time you're saying you're out. Don't let the door hit you, were the good Lord split you

laudate:
Madam, you are the one that needs to free your mind. True! And there is no 'wonky interpretation' anywhere, to use your own words. You seem to take great delight in ascribing wrong motives to people. In one of your posts, you claimed that my mindset was the problem with Nigeria. Now, you are claiming that there is a 'wonky' interpretation. Na wa, oh! Is there something you are not telling us??

You ascribed a motive to me first. I have taken great pains to explain to you. But you stick to your half assed interpretations of my motives. And then turn around any "cry" that I am misunderstanding your mindset? Please remove the log from your eye before you attempt to remove the speck from mine

laudate:
Madam, it is clearly obvious from what you had written in your earlier post. And like I told you previously, you know nothing about my mindset ... neither do you know my mind! Thank you.

It's laughable that you say "it's clearly obvious" in relation to my post, then turn around and "tell" me that I do not know your mindset. Sir, I am referring to your post just like you are referring to mine, okay! I am going off of your post just like you are going off of mine

laudate:
With reference to the part in bold, you implied it when you stated in your posts to him that: "You are answering "Omenka" an Igbo name when clearly you are not. Why? To mislead or misrepresent yourself?" Do you remember??

My "conversation" with Omenka, does not exist in a vacuum. The thread had been going on for about 3 pages before I even quoted him. Before you can ascribe any meaning to what he or I said, you would have to read the entire thread.

What you basically did was jump into the middle of a "conversation" and ascribe your wonky interpretations. Abeg read from the beginning ehn, and open your mind.

laudate:
With reference to the part in bold, you implied it when you stated in your posts to him that: "You are answering "Omenka" an Igbo name when clearly you are not. Why? To mislead or misrepresent yourself?" Do you remember??



NB: I have no problems with anyone conducting an investigative work, to verify anything. And yes, I agree that not all things should be taken at face value. But when it sounds as if a person has no right to answer a username, when he is not using to perpetrate any evil, simply because he does not belong to a particular group - why should that be a problem? Please carry out your investigation. Kachifo.

The bolded is all in your mind

laudate:
You are deliberately ignoring the point made in my post. Calling out Omenka on his bad behaviour should not be an issue, tied to his user name. Oh, so are you saying Omenka's bad behaviour would have been more acceptable if he did not have an Igbo moniker? Just asking. Or would you have felt better about his comments, if he had a non-Igbo user name? The reason I ask, is because am not aware he has ever tried to pass himself off as an Igbo man, despite his Igbo-sounding moniker...

Sir,
You quoted me first. You need to understand my point because failing that, any response to me will be danger of falling into the realm of "off point".

There may have been 10 or more people that engaged in "bad behavior" on this thread. I am not under any obligation to call each and everyone out. I chose to call Omenka out, which I am well within my right to do.

Again, I called him out not because he is a non Igbo using an Igbo moniker. I called him out because he, more than anyone else, should know that people are free to use any moniker that they choose on social media. He should also know that whatever moniker you use may not be indicative of who you are offline. In light of that, he should have no reason to be against any calls to investigate the true identity of the Twitter handle. That was the import of my original post.

laudate:
Cut the crap. You know nothing about my mindset, so stop jumping to conclusions! Just because I defend an individual's right to call himself by any name he chooses, does NOT mean I condone stealing or cheating! So please do not malign me in any way, as I have not done so to you!

If Omenka as an individual has specifically cheated you or stolen from you, then address the issue squarely and stop jumping on the myopic bandwagon that makes some folks feel that only Igbo people can bear Igbo monikers!

I did not even know you were going to react in this manner, when I responded to your last post. If I had known that you had such a myopic approach to issues, I wouldn't even have bothered! Next time please think deeply before engaging your keyboard. Am out!!

O dikwa egwu. And where did I imply the bolded?

Slowly and once again, the thread is about finding out the real identity of a Twitter user. Others (Omenka included) jumped in to jeer at any investigative attempts that were made.

If you agree (because I agree) that anyone can use any name that they want (irrespective of their ethnicity) on social media, then you will understand the need for investigation (not taking everything at face value), especially where there might be far reaching implications.
Why should Omenka (a non Igbo) with an Igbo moniker have any problems with a call to investigate the true identity of the Twitter handle? He, more than anyone else, should know that a chosen moniker may have nothing to do with a persons true identity. That was the import of my post to him. Sir, if u do not understand, then let him to whom the post was addressed, respond mmkay.

laudate:
Ok, what is wrong in a non-Igbo bearing an Igbo moniker?? The only time it is a problem is when that person uses it to cause disaffection or trouble among a particular ethnic group. Then you can call him or her out on their bad behaviour. But do you know how many times such action has been taken, and nothing happened at the end of the day? Those people just persisted with their lousy behaviour, as long as the mods turned a blind eye.

There are people that bear French, Latin and German monikers on NL, yet they are not related to any of those nationalities. Is that so wrong? Biko, free your mind!

That is one major problem on NL. Instead of focusing on the content or points raised in a particular post, a lot of respondents only want to focus on a writer's ethnic group, so that they can launch brick bats, insults and venom against an entire race based on their faulty stereotypes and warped mindset about what someone from that tribe did, or did not do! Chai!

Check my subsequent post which has additional info in it.

You should "listen" to your own advice because all that you have posted here relates to you.

The topic is about the real identity of a Twitter handle "Chima Okoro". It was posted that a reverse number search was done with his phone number and that the name that came up was different (some Hausa sounding name which I am not going to bother my brain with)

Others came in here (Omenka included) insisting that the person must be Igbo and "jeering" at any investigative work that was done. If u do understand that people can use whatever monikers they want irrespective of their true identity, then you and Omenka should have no problem with the premise of this thread which is about finding out the true identity of the tweeter handle.
Abeg read from the beginning of a thread and make sure u understand, before u jump in

laudate:
Guy, leave that side abeg. Do you know how many Igbo people bear non-Igbo monikers on this forum?? Some even bear the moniker of their arch rivals - the Yoruba. They use it to launch tribalistic attacks... What name would you give to those ones?? The same scenario can also be seen in the case of some non-Igbo, who bear Igbo monikers to ferment trouble on NL.

Nope! I will not leave that side. You need to change your mindset because your mindset is a big part of what is wrong with Nigeria (it's this mindset that will also cause people to overlook certain instances of cheating or stealing because 'after all Other people have also or stole or have cheated or stolen more).

Omenka, a name imposter, has no grounds to speak when discussions about investigating another possible imposter, are going on.

Now as to other imposters that are/maybe on NL, feel free to call them out when you see them. I de talk 1 you de talk 2

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omenka:
I don't even understand why some people that claim to be braver than Jack Bauar are trying so hard to dissociate themselves from the twitter handle?? I thought they wanted Nigerian security operatives to "bring it on" and they'd show the guys what stuff of steel they are made of. Now they are running all over the place claiming "a Yoruba owns the account" or "a Hausa/Fulani owns the account".

None of these matters sha. The security operatives would do their jobs regardless of how loud some people bark on the forum.

You should not even Say "PIM!" on a topic like this. You are answering "Omenka" an Igbo name when clearly you are not. Why? To mislead or misrepresent yourself?
It is exactly because of people like you (and with M.O like yours) that the Twitter handle should be investigated

You're welcome, ChinenyeN

@ Odensibiri: Mmuta Akagu, nma ejipu soso Akagu ede edemede? Nsibiri jukwara eju o!

Here is the photo. Isn't it lovely?

odensibiri:
Yes, and the uli/uri patterns aren't random either (I've seen some attempts) all the designs have names and meaning behind them and even history. I posted a video about older women who are still practicing uri arts here and a general look through all my uri posts here. The best way to resurrect it, in my opinion, would be to open up a school and have these older women teach the true art form to Igbo women. There are also other art forms by or for Igbo women like embroidery, haberdashery, hair adornments, jewellery making, and selection of cloths like from Akwete that are also dying off or already dead, that's just from looking at old pictures.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfJ8KwEF2jI

The school idea is a very good one.
I could provide housing (for the school) free of charge in Uguta/Oguta. But I would need some help since I am not based in Nigeria.

Ihuomadinihu bia kwa o
Nwanlecha
Somegirlreturns
Melzabull

ChinenyeN:
I'd like a link to the Google Plus group.

Hi ChinenyeN,

Just click on the link is in his 9th post on this thread. That is how I joined.

ezeagu:
This is what the child of an efulefu 'Europe' sounds like. Pure bastardly frustation. Carry go nwa aneta.

LMAO

Afam4eva:
It's not fair to say that this is only common with the Yorubas. The same can also be said of some Igbo families.

And where did he say that?

The OP is the one implying that it is only common with the Igbo's and that Igbo's are bigoted for not marrying out. Bigfrancis21 countered by letting her know that all ethnic groups (not just Igbo) overwhelmingly prefer to marry from their ethnicity. Your post, if anything, should be directed at the OP

nwanlecha:
I na-ajuzi aju? Nolu nu ebe ahu. LOL. Like seriously the uli decorations are so beautiful and i definitely intend to design my body with uli on my Igba Nkwu day. Even if the uli plants are becoming extinct, I will start cultivating them. Come on now, I even see a serious business venture here. Ala Igbo has a great deal of untapped potential I tell you, and I definitely intend to start tapping into them once my plans are set.



[1quote author=Phut post=38597694]
So Nwanlecha, let's start with you and me. I am going to decorate my body with Uli at my traditional wedding. Will you?
Depending on how big your wedding is, it might even be featured on Bellanaija and all those wedding magazine's, giving it further exposure
Ihuomadinihu mentioned that the Uli plant is hardly ever grown in the East anymore. But Uli is indigo dye which is readily purchasable on the Internet. It is something that the event planners can easily carry and supply on request

Anuna'm nwanne'm. And so shall it be.

nwanlecha:
Very interesting collection you have there. Most of those things should be taught in history class in our schools. I also agree that we should focus more on the majority of our kids who can speak Igbo, 'cause those who can't speak Igbo are definitely in the minority and I can attest to that. Also, I will love to know how far you've gone with getting to introduce Nsibiri writing system to our Eastern governors or even private schools in the East. You need to do more than just putting your work up on the internet. Anyway, you are doing a great job so far. Kudos!
@phut, my mum used to tell us about how they would decorate themselves with uli when they were still very young, and you are right that we need to resurrect that part of our culture.

So Nwanlecha, let's start with you and me. I am going to decorate my body with Uli at my traditional wedding. Will you?
Depending on how big your wedding is, it might even be featured on Bellanaija and all those wedding magazine's, giving it further exposure
Ihuomadinihu mentioned that the Uli plant is hardly ever grown in the East anymore. But Uli is indigo dye which is readily purchasable on the Internet. It is something that the event planners can easily carry and supply on request

odensibiri:
http://ukpuru.tumblr.com/

Hello everyone, I don't know if you've ever seen this blog: http://ukpuru..com

Well I created that blog around five years ago, and now I've moved to http://ukpuru.tumblr.com/ which is arguably the biggest collection of images of Igbo history as well as a few other African groups sometimes.

Just in case you're interested.

http://ukpuru.tumblr.com/

An impressive collection you've got there.

I haven't gone through everything, but of what I have seen so far, I am most impressed by the picture pertaining to this:

Uli designs painted on a foldable drawing by Igbo women under the orders of missionaries who discouraged them from decorating their bodies with it. Calabar 1930s.

I was not aware of Uli until a forum member, Ihuomadinihu, talked about the dying art form of Uli and how it needs to be revived (Women decorating their bodies with it e.g at their traditional weddings, as used to be done in the past). The picture you posted is breathtaking and now I wholeheartedly agree with Ihuomadinihu, that it needs to be revived.

Thanks for preserving this in picture(s) and sharing with us

odensibiri:
Okay, I guess another perspective. I've started posting terminology here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/281219778/Ikpokwu

Thanks for accepting my request to join your Google plus group (Onuigbo). I also received the notification about ail pokey, the Igbo dictionary that you are building. What steps are you taking to notify people in f the group/increase membership of the group?

At there going To be any scheduled,real time interactions in the group or is it going to be all about receicing email notifications about your latest postings or updates?

eyinjuege:
50% of cases of infertility are due to male factors, so it may not necessarily be because OP had previous abortions or whatever.
Always try to show empathy to others though, cos life can be funny sometimes. Have you done a sperm count yet? You should, cos you just never can tell..

But you know a lot of people cannot tell the difference between Erectile dysfunction (or the lack thereof) and sterility. Be steady shooting blanks while wallowing in their ignorance

Ineedmychild:
Also, as I said earlier, I'm closing the issue of baby factory and sincerely pray for everyone who commented never to experience TTC in JESUS name.

I actually was terribly depressed cos my monthly visitor showed up after going missing in action for 4days. I was hopeful and happy since I never missed a period in over 8yrs of my life. Is when it came, I really needed someone to talk to and weep on. I'm sorry if I insulted or reasoned irrationally.
Thanks to everyone once again.

Ma'am, you said in an earlier posts that you and your husband have tried various treatments, including herbal. What exactly are you treating for? Unless you guys figure out what exactly is wrong, MOST treatment you undergo will be pointless and may actually have adverse effect on you guys. It would be akin to throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks - not a very efficient way of doing things, you'll agree.

You have been married since 25, your period comes like clockwork ... What about your husbands sperm count? Not having erectile dysfunction, does not rule out sterility.
Both of you should carry out the necessary tests. If u are ovulating and the problem is from your husband, then ideally, you both should come to an agreement and get a sperm donor. I am not advocating cheating. I said get a sperm donor. Neither one of you even needs to meet the sperm donor.

Now if the problem is from your end, get an egg donor. If you are unable or unwilling to carry the pregnancy to term, then you get a surrogate.

whomever the party with the problem is, should be selfless.

Now if after pinpointing the problem, you both decide that you don't really care to have a biological child (Note: nobody should be coerced) then you guys can go ahead and adopt. If one person is cajoled into something, there is the possibility that with the passage of time, that person may begin to feel some sort of resentment (even with the presence of an adopted child)

Radoillo:
LOL @ 'perfectionists'.

After years of research in Enugu-Ezike she must have picked up local expressions. The illiterate old men she spoke to and interviewed didn't speak English or Ogidi to her - they spoke Nsukka/Enugu-Ezike. Why not just put their words down the way they said it? I picked up the book, hoping to learn some Enugu-Ezike expressions, and instead I found 'Anambra' (Ogidi) words everywhere.

It's good that you're so inquisitive. A trait that's ever present in very intelligent people.

Radoillo:
It's a pretty decent review. One or two things raised my eyebrow though. The reviewer says she (Ahebi) left her village for Idah out of "her passion for dominance, strong desire for power and wealth." She was just a kid of 13/14 running away from a bad situation - I'm not at all convinced from the book that power and wealth were motivating factors.

In another place, the reviewer says the Ata held sway over almost all of Eastern Nigeria. Of course, there's no truth there. The Ata's power did not extend beyond the northern tip of the Nsukka area.

I noticed that the reviewer also failed to mention what Ahebi was doing during her years in exile in Igalaland and Idah. I don't know if I should mention it either, as it might mean providing bait for the e-tribalists.

Anyway, it is a good book. Its stand-out flaw for me was that the author (Nwando Achebe - who is Chinua Achebe's daughter, by the way) chose to write in English with speckles of her Ogidi dialect, instead of English with speckles of the native Enugu-Ezike dialect of Ahebi's community - the people the story was about. That choice made no sense to me. She was presenting the little-known Enugu-Ezike community to the world. Why replace their native words with her native (Ogidi) words?

I knew the bolder was trash and highly doubted the author had said/implied that. That is why I asked for your own review.

@ Paragraph nke na so ya: I nwere uche

Enugu Ezike dialect versus Ogidi. Maybe she doesn't know the former and didn't figure on running into perfectionists like you

Radoillo:
Are they themselves (i.e the sculptures) gods, or representations of the gods?

Good question.
Some people just refuse to think for themselves as opposed to regurgitating what they have been spoonfed.
People just need to learn to respect other's beliefs.

Radoillo:
I bought her biography (written by Nwando Achebe) last year. Interesting stuff. It surprised me that I had never heard of her before then. One would think that the only female warrant chief in British Africa (or so Achebe says) would be much better known.

What do you think about the above posted, review? Anything that you would write, differently?

OP, thanks for sharing. I didn't know about her.

alcmene:
Ahebi grew up as other children of her time and displayed domineering influence over her age mates, which was made manifest in her bellicose tendencies towards the male counterparts in a bid to show superiority. This earned her bad names from her peers who saw her as clog in the wheel of solace anytime she is around.

I can just imagine

graciousolo:
* Every child's first language is... IGBO!. Every baby's first cry is Uwa aaa uwa aaa... when translated it means 'this life, how ironic aint it? #Yimu

Ol' boy na true o!

BTW, You write very well and you sister is blessed to have you as a brother.

OdenigboAroli:
Chiazor
Nwakaozor

Why do you put an "r" at the end. It's Chiazo and Nwakaozo.

You also see a lot of people writing Dikeh instead of Dike. Okafor instead of Okafo. And a whole lot of other corrupted spellings

Good job, Odensibiri. What is the name of your Google plus group? I want to join